|
Post by pointycatears on Apr 29, 2016 19:42:33 GMT
I liked the animation in Act 7, but it just wasn't as exciting as Collide was.
|
|
The One Guy
Rust Maid
Posts: 1,148
Pronouns: he/him/his
|
Post by The One Guy on Apr 29, 2016 19:45:24 GMT
I like how the votes correspond roughly with the length of the flashes: Act 7 is half as long as Collide and has roughly half as many votes. I wouldn't call 26% half...
|
|
|
Post by sparkeletran on Apr 29, 2016 20:32:42 GMT
Many of the artistic and editing decisions were highly questionable. You could have cut that thing down to 12 minutes easily, if not shorter. ...'cause you couldn't cut Cascade down what with all its slow, dramatic build-up, right... I like Collide and I think judging it for a lack of plot advancement doesn't make sense. Like others have said, it's supposed to be that - a battle. Sure, if you don't like it as much because you don't like fight scenes, go ahead, but demanding it to have been something different just doesn't fit with me. It definitely felt like fanservice in a way, giving fans finally one last big sprite strife full of references (and fraymotifs!) Not to mention that its music fit about as well as any other strife in Homestuck. Just take a look back at Dave and Bro's fights, or Jake's fight with Dirkbot - the music is pretty much just background with occasiooonally some synching up at more key parts.
|
|
|
Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 29, 2016 20:43:16 GMT
Many of the artistic and editing decisions were highly questionable. You could have cut that thing down to 12 minutes easily, if not shorter. ...'cause you couldn't cut Cascade down what with all its slow, dramatic build-up, right... I like Collide and I think judging it for a lack of plot advancement doesn't make sense. Like others have said, it's supposed to be that - a battle. Sure, if you don't like it as much because you don't like fight scenes, go ahead, but demanding it to have been something different just doesn't fit with me. It definitely felt like fanservice in a way, giving fans finally one last big sprite strife full of references (and fraymotifs!) Not to mention that its music fit about as well as any other strife in Homestuck. Just take a look back at Dave and Bro's fights, or Jake's fight with Dirkbot - the music is pretty much just background with occasiooonally some synching up at more key parts. I think people have a problem with it because we got a big fight instead of plot advancement, which would've been fine if we ever actually got it after that but then....not.
|
|
thecrystalship
Mr. Snoozyprince Mcsleepypants
sushi guro
Posts: 174
Pronouns: she/her/hers
|
Post by thecrystalship on Apr 29, 2016 20:44:21 GMT
...'cause you couldn't cut Cascade down what with all its slow, dramatic build-up, right... Cascade is synched and edited so much better that it's almost night and day. Hussie has a very distinct and visually satisfying style that was clearly absent in Collide, which makes sense, because he didn't do any of that work this time. Even Act 7, which is quite a bit better in this regard, has some bizarre cuts and transitions TBH.
|
|
|
Post by sparkeletran on Apr 29, 2016 21:12:35 GMT
...'cause you couldn't cut Cascade down what with all its slow, dramatic build-up, right... Cascade is synched and edited so much better that it's almost night and day. Hussie has a very distinct and visually satisfying style that was clearly absent in Collide, which makes sense, because he didn't do any of that work this time. Even Act 7, which is quite a bit better in this regard, has some bizarre cuts and transitions TBH. I'm not arguing about the synching and editing - just saying that being able to cut it down isn't something exclusive to Collide. And yeah, I get wanting that plot advancement as well. It just seems weird to blame it on Collide - it's not like the two had to be mutually exclusive.
|
|
|
Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 21:27:16 GMT
Honestly? I don't care about synching and smooth transitions. It's great, sure, but I feel like it's something to strive for only if you want absolute perfection. The only sprites I have a problem with are LE, Union Jack and Condy's sprites. They don't feel 'right'. The other sprites captured the feel perfectly in my opinion. I spent most of my childhood watching bad movies, so I have pretty low standards though. (I still love Fantastic Four. Don't murder me)
|
|
The One Guy
Rust Maid
Posts: 1,148
Pronouns: he/him/his
|
Post by The One Guy on Apr 29, 2016 21:29:48 GMT
Not to mention that its music fit about as well as any other strife in Homestuck. Just take a look back at Dave and Bro's fights, or Jake's fight with Dirkbot - the music is pretty much just background with occasiooonally some synching up at more key parts. I disagree. Yes, previous strife music is often "just background with occasionally some synching up at more key parts." But there's nothing wrong with that; the music fit what was going on, properly set the mood, and never stood out as being wrong. In Collide there were many parts that failed at this.
|
|
|
Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 21:38:23 GMT
I am going against everything I said above but here's my 2 cents I think Creata fit it great, but had synch problems (jade and the dogs at beatdown? seriously?).
Oppa Toby Style is rad fighting music but nothing else other than that. It doesn't have terrible synching but the motifs could be changed. A little more could be added, it's just okay as it is. Great to listen standalone though, if only because I like fighty actiony fast-paced music like it.
Eternity Served Cold is... good as always, but it could have been replaced by better music. It is my least favorite of the [S] Collide soundtrack, if only because it really doesn't fit at all. Maybe a more fighty-game music remix of it would be cool.
And Heir of Grief is perfect and amazing and don't even think of arguing against that.
|
|
|
Post by Shadow of the Lotus on Apr 29, 2016 22:31:00 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Arashi500 on Apr 29, 2016 23:55:05 GMT
I'm not totally sure why, but I'd actually say I prefer both Collide and Act 7 over Cascade. In retrospect, Cascade just doesn't hold up quite as well as I would've thought.
|
|
sporkaganza
You are the Star
Posts: 221
Pronouns: he/him/his
|
Post by sporkaganza on Apr 30, 2016 0:11:29 GMT
I think I like Collide better, but I think if I rewatched it again knowing that Act 7 doesn't actually resolve jack shit it'd lower my opinion of it again. And I suppose taken on its own merits Act 7 at least has some cool imagery and animation in it. But overall I think Collide and Act 7 put together are far less than the sum of their parts and probably the worst letdown in Homestuck. I'm not totally sure why, but I'd actually say I prefer both Collide and Act 7 over Cascade. In retrospect, Cascade just doesn't hold up quite as well as I would've thought. Hands where I can see them. You're under arrest, and you're going to Bad Opinion Jail.
|
|
|
Post by Neptz on Apr 30, 2016 0:18:19 GMT
I think I only like the music from Cascade. The animation is great, but it's not my thing.
|
|
sporkaganza
You are the Star
Posts: 221
Pronouns: he/him/his
|
Post by sporkaganza on Apr 30, 2016 0:21:06 GMT
I genuinely don't understand the point of view of anyone who doesn't think that Cascade is basically the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck. Maybe it's just I'm an old-timer.
|
|
|
Post by Shadow of the Lotus on Apr 30, 2016 0:36:28 GMT
Cascade is fantastic. I'm surprised no one has advocated for the walk-arounds though. Myst-stuck or the other games.
Seer: Descend was great. It being a combo flash / game made it awesome. And it's one of the few, cherished moments where the original 4 actually hang out in person and talk.
|
|
|
Post by Neptz on Apr 30, 2016 4:09:22 GMT
I was around before Cascade even came out. It is great, but it isn't the best.
|
|
|
Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 30, 2016 4:23:28 GMT
Just as a standalone flash, Cascade isn't incredibly technically impressive compared to Collide and Act 7, but as the end to Act 5 and as the vehicle used to tie up so many loose ends and to deliver the climax of the plot to escape the scratch....yes. Just....yes. It's still one of the highest points of the comic for me, and I rate it above the last two flashes just in terms of satisfaction I get watching it.
|
|
|
Post by sparkeletran on Apr 30, 2016 4:57:17 GMT
Not to mention that its music fit about as well as any other strife in Homestuck. Just take a look back at Dave and Bro's fights, or Jake's fight with Dirkbot - the music is pretty much just background with occasiooonally some synching up at more key parts. I disagree. Yes, previous strife music is often "just background with occasionally some synching up at more key parts." But there's nothing wrong with that; the music fit what was going on, properly set the mood, and never stood out as being wrong. In Collide there were many parts that failed at this. I honestly don't see why you think so. Oppa Toby Style felt chaotic, but I feel like that fits the idea of a gigantic multistrife pretty well - and the other portions sure seemed to fit as well, with Croata doing buildup, Eternity Served Cold being the darkest hour of the fight and Heir of Grief the heroic second wind.
|
|
|
Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 30, 2016 7:24:31 GMT
the fact that no one has mentioned how great descend is makes me sad. descend is still my favourite flash. and as for the pole, where's the 'neither' option? In all seriousness though, I found both flashes disappointing. Although Collide wins because it brought Homestuck's humor back, which it had been lacking since GO.
|
|
|
Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 30, 2016 7:52:58 GMT
the fact that no one has mentioned how great descend is makes me sad. descend is still my favourite flash. Descend is an awesome flash.
|
|
|
Post by Blaperile on Apr 30, 2016 9:06:13 GMT
I genuinely don't understand the point of view of anyone who doesn't think that Cascade is basically the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck. Maybe it's just I'm an old-timer. I consider Cascade to be the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck in terms of plot advancement. I consider Openbound to be the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck in terms of dialogue. I consider GAME OVER to be the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck in terms of drama. I consider Terezi: Remem8er to be the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck in terms of how emotional it is and how synched it is to the music. I consider Collide to be the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck in terms of fighting. I consider Act 7 to be the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck in terms of beautiful art. To me, none of them truly "are" the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck separately, but they are together. If there'd been one flash that combined all those into one somehow, now that would have probably been the true pinnacle to me.
|
|
sporkaganza
You are the Star
Posts: 221
Pronouns: he/him/his
|
Post by sporkaganza on Apr 30, 2016 10:04:40 GMT
I can concede most of those, but nothing about Openbound is the pinnacle of anything.
|
|
|
Post by Blaperile on Apr 30, 2016 13:32:30 GMT
I should probably clarify that I only consider Openbound to be the pinnacle of the entirety of Homestuck in terms of dialogue if we're just talking about non-static pages.
If we also consider static pages, then I do consider the entirety of Act 6 Act 6 Intermission 5 to have the best dialogue in the comic, with a very special mention to Dave and Dirk's dialogues with each other.
|
|
|
Post by Neptz on Apr 30, 2016 15:58:05 GMT
Openbound is the pinnacle of interactivity in the comic. Almost none of the other that Blap mentioned can be influenced by the reader at all.
|
|
sporkaganza
You are the Star
Posts: 221
Pronouns: he/him/his
|
Post by sporkaganza on May 1, 2016 2:05:49 GMT
Openbound is the pinnacle of interactivity in the comic. Almost none of the other that Blap mentioned can be influenced by the reader at all. The Act 4 opener and Alterniabound are the pinnacle of interactivity in the comic, and it's kinda silly to say otherwise.
|
|