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Post by godlessauspistice on Apr 20, 2016 21:53:56 GMT
Neon, I saw what you did with the animation. I recommend that you waint until the epilogue before making more retcons.
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Post by TheNeonWerewolf on Apr 21, 2016 0:29:36 GMT
I'm probably going to ignore anything that occurs during the Epilogue of Homestuck as most of it will probably end up further distancing it from Nightfall canon.
So assume whatever else Hussie confirmed didn't happen in terms of Nightfall canon.
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Post by godlessauspistice on Apr 21, 2016 2:02:05 GMT
I'm probably going to ignore anything that occurs during the Epilogue of Homestuck as most of it will probably end up further distancing it from Nightfall canon. So assume whatever else Hussie confirmed didn't happen in terms of Nightfall canon. That is kind of a selective canon reading, but you are the author. Anyway, I expect Hades having to keep those cows alive as a new purpose in his life. They are safer with him than in the farms where they are exploited for milk and meat. Maybe he will gain a respect to milk producing animals in a similar way to Equius.
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Post by kankri on Apr 21, 2016 6:34:42 GMT
I honestly don't understand why everyone hates Vriska for yelling at (Vriska), given she was equally if not more abusive towards Tavros. I do get however that is frustrating to see Vriska actually backtrack on the character development front and not get that resolved, which is part of the reason Homestuck's ending failed for me. It set up potential character development and did not deliver. The conversation between Vriska and (Vriska) is incredibly interesting to me because it actually tells us a LOT about Vriska and who she is at that moment. It is quite literally, Vriska yelling at herself, venting all of her insecurities. I don't necessarily think that conversation was meant to show that Vriska was an asshole (although that case can absolutely be made and rightly so), but rather to show us what Vriska struggles with in her own head. She did not just yell at (Vriska), she mocked. How weak and soft (Vriska) was (yeah, the only dead troll that appeared to be strong fucked up all). Stole away almost useless Meenah. To prove she is The Better Vriska. With Tavros... i mostly see very mad attempts to make him Pupa Pan. She did not hate him, like hated (Vriska), but tried to raise him without any thoughts like "how could he manage that". Of course, normal trolls could raise up stairs, kiss and kill, but Tavros couldn't (And even normal trolls can't fly). And by the moment when Tavros finally tried to do something - to kill the villain - she lost her last beliefs, leaving only the pain of shattered dreams. Then - turn by 180 degrees: she starts thinking of Tavros worse than he actually is. So her relationship with Tavros was stupid and egoistic, but not truly evil. She never saw real Tavros, she only saw the images in her mind. One she loved, the other she hated. But mocking and scoffing was never her true goal (with Tavros during/after slaughter the goal was to stop the bleeding of her former dreams). But in mocking (Vriska) I can see only raising authority and conceit. Wow, Alpha!Vriska even became worse than she was in Act 5, where hurting was not her quest. As for struggling in her own head - it doesn't cancel the fact (Vriska) was the one who led a fleet and found the treasure. And Vriska, being able to respect Feferi and Karkat (!), knew that. She is insecure about feeling weak. She is insecure about having a purpose, and being relevant. She is insecure about allowing herself to feel emotional. She is insecure about how she looks to some extent. 1 was obvious. For a girl who kills other trolls and feeds Ungoliant, living in eternal fear of her own death, it is natural to want to be strong. Feferi fed Chtulhu in fear of death of other trolls and became anti-Vriska, willing everyone to live (except Eridan's and Vriska's victims). 2 - we knew from Act 5 (creating Bec Noir). 3 - part of 1. 4... ok. Really, Vriska never really got to finish her character arc because it was neccissary to be cold and calculating and heartless in order to defeat Lord English, and lucky for her, the plan worked out perfectly. (However in a good story, Vriska's plan would totally fail and she would be punished by and forced to learn from her extreme arrogance) What is finishing "her character arc"? She's not Darth Vader - Vader loved somebody, while Vriska loved only the image of Pupa Pan and John. The first is murdered. So if John doesn't meet Vriska after the epilogue, she is doomed to become a villain. Kanaya is not as good at moirality as needed to stop Vriska, who else can push her train off the rails? Especially if these rails are the ones who fought LE. Not all character arcs finish happily. A good story was before Hussie decided to suddenly make Aranea a mass murderer, fuck up everything and implement the most dangerous villain (after LE and Jack Noir) in a meteor crew to show egoistic bitches can save us all (yeah, it's like Hitler after genocide of jews, romany and slavs deciding to save the world). Awesome morale. Because it is interesting to think about, what would Vriska do after she accomplished everything she wanted to? She saved the universe... but then what? Eternal tantrum until someone or something stops it. Becoming more and more selfish, dangerous, powerful. It would be quite interesting to see your version of sudden changing selfish Vriska to mostly good Vriska. Since Nightfall!Vriska ana Alpha!Vriska, reminding again, are hugely different. Anyway, I expect Hades having to keep those cows alive as a new purpose in his life. They are safer with him than in the farms where they are exploited for milk and meat. Maybe he will gain a respect to milk producing animals in a similar way to Equius. Why only cows? He likes many animals. Probably plants too. I wonder what will return him to the main plot.
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Post by Jorb on Apr 21, 2016 8:06:54 GMT
Looking at the updated flash reminds me that one day I need to go through the entire mirror and fix all "�"s to be either ' or ", as appropriate. I'm still not sure why it did that.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 21, 2016 10:05:17 GMT
I'm pretty sure Nightfall!Vriska used to be Vriska after her death in act 5 (I personally think Vriska should have remained out Homestuck after that since it was a really good conclusion to her arc, but that's just me). And as for the ships not being canon, Nightfall was made at a time where JohnVris was popular and JohnRoxy wasn't even heard off, and ships like Karezi and DaveJade were far more popular over Davekat. Also, we don't even know if Davekat or JohnRoxy became canon, considering DaveJade still got teased at the end and Dave was sitting closer to Jade in the picnic scene. And to me RoxyCalliope seemed more canon than JohnRoxy. The only ship that we can really agree was endgame is Rosemary.
It seems like Neon knows what she's doing, so I think people should just let Neon do what she wants? I mean Neon is the author. I get why people have their concerns; I'd rather not have this story follow a retcon that was terribly handled and ruined Homestuck for me, but in the end I really don't think it will do that much harm?
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Post by kankri on Apr 21, 2016 11:16:37 GMT
It seems like Neon knows what she's doing, so I think people should just let Neon do what she wants? I mean Neon is the author. I get why people have their concerns; I'd rather not have this story follow a retcon that was terribly handled and ruined Homestuck for me, but in the end I really don't think it will do that much harm? For me, Homestuck plot was broken when a kind person with huge knowledges suddenly became a Horsewoman of the Apocalypse (destroying planets != preventing Universe C from hatch), and then vanished forever. So... the logic is already flawed... Hm. Omg. The choice between dead logic and very dead logic is awesome. So... if Nightfall starts after GAME OVER, it doesn't really matter what would Neon do. Ok. She's the author, she has all the rights.
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Post by The Mather1 on Apr 21, 2016 15:44:13 GMT
Holding Vriska's beration of (Vriska) against her is at best just stupid. Most people wouldn't be able to stand meeting themselves, much less a version of themselves that gave up on everything they hold dear. Vriska's reaction was the strongest feasible reaction anyone could have made without being prepared for it; she asserted herself as the one true Vriska. She denounced (Vriska)'s qualities because she was not like that, she was not supposed to be like that, (Vriska) was a defamation of her name. To accept (Vriska) would've been to relinquish her own identity, so she stood her ground and asserted it instead.
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Post by TheNeonWerewolf on Apr 21, 2016 16:36:26 GMT
Holding Vriska's beration of (Vriska) against her is at best just stupid. Most people wouldn't be able to stand meeting themselves, much less a version of themselves that gave up on everything they hold dear. Vriska's reaction was the strongest feasible reaction anyone could have made without being prepared for it; she asserted herself as the one true Vriska. She denounced (Vriska)'s qualities because she was not like that, she was not supposed to be like that, (Vriska) was a defamation of her name. To accept (Vriska) would've been to relinquish her own identity, so she stood her ground and asserted it instead. Yeah. This too. There is actually a lot of ways to interpret what that says about Vriska's character. And a lot of ways to interperit her "character arc" or lacktherof.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 21, 2016 17:24:50 GMT
It seems like Neon knows what she's doing, so I think people should just let Neon do what she wants? I mean Neon is the author. I get why people have their concerns; I'd rather not have this story follow a retcon that was terribly handled and ruined Homestuck for me, but in the end I really don't think it will do that much harm? preach i hate vriska, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna go out of my way to shit on neon all over just because she likes vriska (?) she's just trying to do something she likes and man it ain't my job to stop that people enjoy what they gotta enjoy anyways this is going to be first and last post here i'm out
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Post by godlessauspistice on Apr 22, 2016 4:22:31 GMT
Neon, do you remember when you wanted to retcon Vriska's appearance after the upd8s of December 2014? After those upd8s I started drifting away from my comfort zone in the fandom. Also, maybe Kankri is right. What if this version of Vriska becomes a villain in Hiveswap?!
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Post by uncertainHavoc on Apr 22, 2016 6:52:04 GMT
It seems like Neon knows what she's doing, so I think people should just let Neon do what she wants? I mean Neon is the author. I get why people have their concerns; I'd rather not have this story follow a retcon that was terribly handled and ruined Homestuck for me, but in the end I really don't think it will do that much harm? preach i hate vriska, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna go out of my way to shit on neon all over just because she likes vriska *coughs* This definitely isn't directed at anyone in particular here.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 22, 2016 7:58:09 GMT
preach i hate vriska, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna go out of my way to shit on neon all over just because she likes vriska *coughs* This definitely isn't directed at anyone in particular here. i literally just skim this thread every night so i can get the NEW notice off of it. i happened to stop at that post by chance, being messaged by a friend.
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Post by nepetastuck on Apr 25, 2016 1:18:55 GMT
So I just found Nightfall after being incredibly disappointed with the homestuck ending and I have to say it's everything I dreamed could happen in canon!! I love Vriska and it still kills me that her character arc was left unfinished.. She's such an amazingly complex character and the ending didn't do her justice, and the Johnvris is just an added bonus!!! So thank you, for continuing to update!
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Post by Foodman on Apr 25, 2016 13:48:52 GMT
I has foundit! and nightfall updated again? YEY! ok i think homestuck ending left alot of plot holes witch can be good and bad it leaves room for new fanfics to do their thing but it leaves everyone else with a lack of closur. But nightfall is here all is well now all that remains to be seen is how Hades is going to take over the world with cows.
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Post by Derion Azarin III on Apr 26, 2016 17:30:38 GMT
So I just found Nightfall after being incredibly disappointed with the homestuck ending and I have to say it's everything I dreamed could happen in canon!! I love Vriska and it still kills me that her character arc was left unfinished.. She's such an amazingly complex character and the ending didn't do her justice, and the Johnvris is just an added bonus!!! So thank you, for continuing to update! Hello, hello, and welcome to the thread. Now, in an attempt to re-reanimate an undead horse joke that died in the 40forumpocalypse - have a firstpwnst emogi. Studies have shown that consumption of this emogi will grant you superpowers.
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Post by foodman on Apr 26, 2016 18:33:30 GMT
I never did get thoes super powers/; consumption yes powers? nope/; anyway.i found a thing pertaining to homestuck was gonna wait for main forums to be back up but i can wait no longer. I went and decided to figure out how many hours homestuck ran for from beginning to end . The result? 61200 hours 612 O: coincidence! I THINK NOT!ok nightfall relevance: how long do you think gary will be stuck on that case trying to figure out how cows got gone if the aliens actually DID take them i mean hes gonna be stuck there forever. poor kate all alone.... wait that already got finshed up didnt it? arg i need to reread... well i belive in nightfall we are short on horses maybe hades can kidnap a heard of horses? for...you know... reasons....and i still have no idea what cryistal is scanning for in that pic of her scanning them.... EDIT: Ok might want to post this page here mspfanventures.com/?s=620&p=1337 because of the rainbowness not working on the mirror and forums being down so peps cant read this page and the other page with tereize talking to him
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Post by supercool993 on Apr 26, 2016 23:39:07 GMT
On the subject of Cristyle's scanning I think she was scanning for people her soul altering puppet power thingy would work on because, remember, in Dream it seemed to imply the return of Grimbark Jade and Cristyle had some odd dialogue to Kate, both of who glowed when Cristyle scanned them.
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Post by supercool993 on Apr 26, 2016 23:40:14 GMT
Okay didn't know [ s ] would cross out your text
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Post by Neptz on Apr 26, 2016 23:41:02 GMT
Okay didn't know [ s ] would cross out your text Use [noparse][s][/noparse] to not fuck up your text.
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Post by Jorb on Apr 28, 2016 1:56:09 GMT
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Post by TheNeonWerewolf on Apr 28, 2016 3:20:48 GMT
JORDAN YOU WONDERFUL HUMAN BEING! I was so worried I'd lost them forever!
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Post by foodman on Apr 28, 2016 15:37:23 GMT
Noice Jordan o: and now i get to see some of the old profile pics (; although for somereason when i was doing my forum bunge i dont remember reading this update * is cunfused* anyway YEY was i saying something with this post? cant remember if i was ill edit it in latter when i remember
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Post by Derion Azarin III on Apr 29, 2016 0:24:10 GMT
But I still wonder: WHERE DID THE NIGHTFALL MUSICS GO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I liked those songs! I was going to download them and add them to my Homestuck playlist so I could enjoy them whenever I wanted, but then the old forums went and f***ing died.
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Post by foodman on Apr 29, 2016 1:00:04 GMT
i have like 3 or four of the fanarts with me and i got the nightfall playlist from latest thread downloaded aswell so i can get those if needed. EDIT: Derion ill try and get you the playlist in the morning or sometime tommorow (
EDIT2: Ok I have the Music and i can make them into music videos and post them on youtube so people can hear them some more (other stuff i dont know so much about so.yeah.) so Neon if its Ok with you ill get all the Nightfall songs from the playlist of the last thread into music videos on youtube wont post unless you say otherwise though for ownership reasons and such O: (ok got this taken care of back to video editting;/
(i cant send them straight as files because of limitation of 1 MB and the files being about 9 so;/
EDIT3: Ok the Videos are ready to be posted just gimme the word
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