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Post by mementovivere on Oct 25, 2016 2:17:51 GMT
Sudden theory on where this is going, as I was wondering where they might be headed in the meteor... Didn't Kanaya originally say (in one of the meteor walkaround flashes I think, before Eridan hopesploded it) that she was planning on hatching the Matriorb in the core of the meteor?? Yes. I am not sure why she would now, though. To further the troll race, right? That didn't stop being a thing she cared about. Ectobiology only goes so far when your race's reproduction involves a Mother Grub. Unless you mean "why now instead of later"... but if I was Kanaya, after all the hurdles she's been through to try to make this happen, I'd be hurrying up and doing it the second I set foot on my new world, just to ensure that no more random bad shit happened to explode Matriorb 2.0
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 2:19:23 GMT
Yes. I am not sure why she would now, though. To further the troll race, right? That didn't stop being a thing she cared about. Ectobiology only goes so far when your race's reproduction involves a Mother Grub. Unless you mean "why now instead of later"... but if I was Kanaya, after all the hurdles she's been through to try to make this happen, I'd be hurrying up and doing it the second I set foot on my new world, just to ensure that no more random bad shit happened to explode Matriorb 2.0 Yeah, but why in the meteor off in the middle of nowhere? Why not in Can Town?
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Post by obsidalicious on Oct 25, 2016 2:25:08 GMT
The question is: How did the Utopian Earth we see in Act 7/Snapchat end up as the wasteland it is by Caliborn's time. Is it an alt-timeline where Universe C was made, but the kids didn't make it there, possibly what would've happened post-Game Over were it not for the retcon? Or maybe the kids are fully incompetent as rulers and their civilisation collapses with everyone going extinct before the Cherubs are conceived. No matter how apathetic the kids may be about the plot, at this point there's no way they could fail to realize that B2 Earth in universe C will be the home to Caliborn in the future. Calliope is right there to notice the similarities and tell them, if they haven't figured it out already. Thus, preserving civilization on Earth long term is pointless. They know that anyone still on the planet in Caliborn's time will be killed when he sucks the world into his Incipisphere or when it gets reformatted into LoCaM. Ironically, the only logical use they have for Earth now is a base to build spaceships and breed yellow blooded trolls to pilot them so that they can start moving civilization to new planets. They actually do succeed at that, since we see that there was at least one alien world colonized by trolls not long before the charub players' birth. Except that they now have the power to utterly rewrite the Alpha Timeline. Predestination is no longer an issue.
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Post by Gab on Oct 25, 2016 2:27:26 GMT
Another new panel.
Terezi: Release monsters into the wild, terrorize the populace. Sudden theory on where this is going, as I was wondering where they might be headed in the meteor... Didn't Kanaya originally say (in one of the meteor walkaround flashes I think, before Eridan hopesploded it) that she was planning on hatching the Matriorb in the core of the meteor?? Oh shit good point. I just thought they were on the way to go set up Calliope's room, for some reason. Though I guess it maybe doesn't make sense to leave those things there for millions of years. And as for why, perhaps it still makes for an ideal location, as opposed to hunting for a random natural cave on Earth. Here they'd have access to alchemiters and for that matter lots of ectobiology machines to help streamline the process and kickstart the troll rebirth. And at this point the symbolism is probably a bonus too, using the meteor they've been trapped in for so long, the same one they were all born in, as the seed for the revival of the species. There is no such thing, technically speaking, as the center of the universe. So, probably just to a random star system that is ripe for colonization. Not to get into a big science debate, but I don't see why this couldn't be the case, especially with the big bang theory and all. Even if the universe is big enough and we are not yet advanced enough to be able to adequately measure the size of the universe or pinpoint something analogous to a center doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Especially in Homestuck universes, where size and scale have been rather firmly established by being embodied in frogs and given lifespans. The question of timelines is presumably far simpler. If they are not sent far back enough that split timelines don't exist, they will most likely be in the one which begets all others, C1. Really, issues of time travel I feel will work themselves out. It's space that I'm curious about... Except that they now have the power to utterly rewrite the Alpha Timeline. Predestination is no longer an issue. God let's not get into this again
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 2:34:58 GMT
There is no such thing, technically speaking, as the center of the universe. So, probably just to a random star system that is ripe for colonization. Not to get into a big science debate, but I don't see why this couldn't be the case, especially with the big bang theory and all. Even if the universe is big enough and we are not yet advanced enough to be able to adequately measure the size of the universe or pinpoint something analogous to a center doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Especially in Homestuck universes, where size and scale have been rather firmly established by being embodied in frogs and given lifespans. The question of timelines is presumably far simpler. If they are not sent far back enough that split timelines don't exist, they will most likely be in the one which begets all others, C1. Really, issues of time travel I feel will work themselves out. It's space that I'm curious about... No, I mean, there is no such thing as the center of the universe. Every point is the center. The universe loops back on itself in all directions. The big bang happened everywhere. Every single point in space is getting further away from every other point in space. The further away, the faster the grow more distant. Space itself is expanding, but not into anything. Sorry for the off-topic science debate, but space is cool.
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Post by heirloomairloom on Oct 25, 2016 2:42:01 GMT
Except that they now have the power to utterly rewrite the Alpha Timeline. Predestination is no longer an issue. John's retcon power isn't totally free of predestination all the time, as seen in the loop where he gets told to go find Roxy. Even if they believe they can rewrite the timeline now, either the trolls will realize they failed when the kids don't come back from the assassination attempt on Caliborn, or the kids will return with a report of failing to stop Lord English's creation, either of which leaves us on track for the current version of reality where Earth is abandoned. Besides which, the kids aren't even planning to try to stop Caliborn from harming the Earth. They only target him at the end of his quest, at which point any civilization on Earth would have already been violently pulled through a black hole and exposed to a planet's worth of end game strength Underlings and Caliborn himself.
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Post by Gab on Oct 25, 2016 3:26:01 GMT
This is getting interesting. Are they merely making another pitstop on their sightseeing tour through the meteor, or will they employ this device? No, I mean, there is no such thing as the center of the universe. Every point is the center. The universe loops back on itself in all directions. The big bang happened everywhere. Every single point in space is getting further away from every other point in space. The further away, the faster the grow more distant. Space itself is expanding, but not into anything. Sorry for the off-topic science debate, but space is cool. That sounds kind of abstract. But whatever, I guess I could believe that. Space is pretty cool. Any other good candidates for a spawn point then? I'm not entirely fond of a random drop near a habitable system, though that might be the ideal at this point. It's sort of hard to pick a point "fitting" enough. I wonder if Sburb makes one more planet, in that new universe, and that's where the door goes? That would be interesting maybe.
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Post by imglasses on Oct 25, 2016 3:28:48 GMT
I wonder what it looks like on the other side of the victory door. Like, could they fly back through it into the session if they wanted to? Or is it only visible on one side?
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 3:49:18 GMT
UPDATE! HOLY SHIT! HOLY SHIT! HOLY SHIT!
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Post by imglasses on Oct 25, 2016 3:51:49 GMT
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Post by sparkeletran on Oct 25, 2016 3:57:08 GMT
WELL THIS WAS SUDDEN
i was already p fine with the ending before but. y'know what? this makes me happy. hs's ending is officially More Than Good Enough for me.
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Post by Gab on Oct 25, 2016 4:00:27 GMT
I WAS WRONG THEY WERE RIGHT EXPLODES INTO A MILLION PIECES REWATCHES FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT still technically not an epilogue?
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Post by imglasses on Oct 25, 2016 4:00:37 GMT
I know this won't make me content in the long run because it still didn't resolve the biggest issues but I am definitely content right now
Especially since this isn't even the epilogue
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Post by tentacleTherapist on Oct 25, 2016 4:01:02 GMT
The hell was that?
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Post by obsidalicious on Oct 25, 2016 4:04:17 GMT
Okay... So this is definitely English Wins right? He taunted them into leaving their idyllic lives and tricks them into bringing Lord English into power. Hopefully there will be more to the epilogue that describes what the B2 kids did afterwards and/or what becomes of the B1 kids in the JuJu Also, racial segregation is a thing? On the plus side, at least we didn't actually need to have the Snapchat.
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Post by arbitraryTemplar on Oct 25, 2016 4:04:40 GMT
...That can't be the ending. I refuse to accept this. There will be more. There HAS to be more.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 4:04:52 GMT
Was that the epilogue? I hope not, even though I would be okay with that, because I want more, I do not want it to be over yet. Anyway, this was the end credits, and the epilogue generally takes place after the end, which this is. Especially in video games. Post game content (or, in our case, the Epilogue) is usually after the credits roll for the first time.
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Post by imglasses on Oct 25, 2016 4:11:39 GMT
So this confirms that the alpha timeline protagonists go live on Earth, and then go to Caliborn's Masterpiece. Which means now we're only missing the end of their timelines (what happens to the alpha kids stranded in Caliborn's session, and the beta kids trapped in the juju). Hopefully that's the kind of thing the epilogue will focus on.
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Post by digiornospizza on Oct 25, 2016 4:12:01 GMT
"she" is referring to vriska, right? THAT was much more satisfying than act 7. man, i can't believe John turned 20 and caliborn is still mad or whatever. so is John Roxy still a thing, or...
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Post by crusadercaster on Oct 25, 2016 4:14:20 GMT
YES. HELL YES. HELL FUCKING YES.
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Post by researcherwisemon on Oct 25, 2016 4:23:56 GMT
called it (on pesterchum) that the snapchat stuff was going to be put into a flash. Credits scene? I'll take it. Since that arrow at the bottom redirects to the front page, I'm going to assume it's only doing that as a placeholder. We've likely got the epilogue still to come... Yet, I am happy with this as resolution for the moment.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 4:25:53 GMT
called it (on pesterchum) that the snapchat stuff was going to be put into a flash. Credits scene? I'll take it. Since that arrow at the bottom redirects to the front page, I'm going to assume it's only doing that as a placeholder. We've likely got the epilogue still to come... Yet, I am happy with this as resolution for the moment. If I remember correctly, Jailbreak did that for a while, before Hussie finally went ahead and added an ending.
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Post by DS Piron on Oct 25, 2016 4:27:02 GMT
called it (on pesterchum) that the snapchat stuff was going to be put into a flash. Credits scene? I'll take it. Since that arrow at the bottom redirects to the front page, I'm going to assume it's only doing that as a placeholder. We've likely got the epilogue still to come... Yet, I am happy with this as resolution for the moment. But why put a placeholder, when they could just leave it blank, as usual? Looking at the above, it probably wouldn't be out of character for Hussie to add more, but I feel like a story sequence running during the credits seems pretty much an epilogue. What happened after the House was deployed? *shrugs* Perhaps that's a story for another time. (If that time ever come at all.)
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 4:30:36 GMT
But why put a placeholder, when they could just leave it blank, as usual? Because the other finished MS Paint Adventures do not loop back to the Homepage?
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Post by quixoticTokki on Oct 25, 2016 4:43:17 GMT
Huh, well then. I was not expecting all that content! I like seeing everyone happy but...they all kind of went off and did their own things? Like, I guess that's normal and comes with growing up, but at the same time I was under the impression Roxy and Callie just fucked off to the Carapace town and didn't really see anyone again? Like I want everyone to still hang out all together, lol. I also kind of hoped all the different races/species/what have you, would live together too but they're segregated? Even after 5000 years or whatever that said? Interesting.
Glad to see Terezi is alive...but still obsessed with Vriska, ugh. And the Tavrosprite whose name I forget is still around!! So where's Davepeta at though, don't tell me that fucking Undertale reference was really how they died.
Anyway I could nitpick some more, but I'm tired and I work in the morning so I'll stop there for now.
But yo, that Caliborn thing at the end has me hype!! Dark Hussie give me that plot-relevant content!!!
and please make pre-retcon things matter again somehow with the epilogue, but i guess i can't ask for the moon
EDIT: ALSO HOLY SHIT I ALMOST FORGOT. THEY ACTUALLY SHOWED KARKAT AND TEREZI IN A COULPE PICS TOGETHER, UNREAL. I have been blessed this day.
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