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Post by obsidalicious on Aug 4, 2016 5:53:52 GMT
Where was the first mention of the Prophecy in which Dave was said to defeat Lord English? I recall various times he talked about the prophecy, and he always talked about it like it was a long established thing, but I can't remember where it came from.
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Post by Blaperile on Aug 4, 2016 10:02:55 GMT
Where was the first mention of the Prophecy in which Dave was said to defeat Lord English? I recall various times he talked about the prophecy, and he always talked about it like it was a long established thing, but I can't remember where it came from. I believe the first time it's mentioned is in [S] Seer: Descend, when you examine the tapestry with the Time symbol on it: In which the "pimp" is Lord English. This is also a callback to [S] Dave: Retrieve dead bird, where the quote first appears:
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Post by spacedwarfindustries on Aug 4, 2016 17:53:16 GMT
Dave's poeticisms (?) is also the inverse to the other 3 kids - they have classical quotes attributed to modern celebrities, he has a modern quote attributed to a classical celebrity.
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Post by obsidalicious on Aug 5, 2016 8:42:18 GMT
Where was the first mention of the Prophecy in which Dave was said to defeat Lord English? I recall various times he talked about the prophecy, and he always talked about it like it was a long established thing, but I can't remember where it came from. I believe the first time it's mentioned is in [S] Seer: Descend, when you examine the tapestry with the Time symbol on it: Oh is that all? I thought it was something more substantial and concrete than that. I'm not even sure that's supposed to be an Anti-English Prophecy. I certainly can't see how Dave, who's really unenthusiastic about prophecies and heroics would pull such a grand meaning from that. None of the other three's quotes appeared to have any substantial quest behind them. Either that or they no longer apply due to all the weird plot shit, but in that case Dave wouldn't have to get all worked up about fulfilling it.
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Post by Blaperile on Aug 5, 2016 10:03:15 GMT
I believe the first time it's mentioned is in [S] Seer: Descend, when you examine the tapestry with the Time symbol on it: Oh is that all? I thought it was something more substantial and concrete than that. I'm not even sure that's supposed to be an Anti-English Prophecy. I certainly can't see how Dave, who's really unenthusiastic about prophecies and heroics would pull such a grand meaning from that. None of the other three's quotes appeared to have any substantial quest behind them. Either that or they no longer apply due to all the weird plot shit, but in that case Dave wouldn't have to get all worked up about fulfilling it. Not long after that flash first came out, I remember that a lot of people on the forums figured out it was a prophecy that he needed to fight Lord English. I guess Dave figured it out like how he's often aware of pretty meta-things. Or, he also said he heard "many rumors", so I guess he could have figured it out from other unseen sources.
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Post by obsidalicious on Aug 5, 2016 21:41:45 GMT
Then can someone walk me through the interpretation of that? "They wait for he who would drop it like it's hot whilst the pimp's in the crib." I get that "pimp" could reasonably apply to Lord English, but how do we get 'kill' from "drop it like it's hot", especially given the lyric's original meaning. And what does "Crib" mean. I do recall someone at some point speculating that Dave would take on child!Caliborn, but that obviously isn't the case.
Are we sure that "Dropping it" doesn't actually mean 'Give up', which Dave somewhat did with his 'why do we even care about English' talk?
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Post by loading on Aug 5, 2016 21:56:29 GMT
Thematically this doesn't make sense but thematically NOTHING Gamzee does makes sense so consider this: What was Gamzee's likely reaction when baby Caliborn bit his shoulder?
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Post by obsidalicious on Aug 5, 2016 22:06:15 GMT
Thematically this doesn't make sense but thematically NOTHING Gamzee does makes sense so consider this: What was Gamzee's likely reaction when baby Caliborn bit his shoulder? He probably made a mental note to not pick up the baby again.
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Post by Blaperile on Aug 6, 2016 14:20:40 GMT
Then can someone walk me through the interpretation of that? "They wait for he who would drop it like it's hot whilst the pimp's in the crib." I get that "pimp" could reasonably apply to Lord English, but how do we get 'kill' from "drop it like it's hot", especially given the lyric's original meaning. And what does "Crib" mean. I do recall someone at some point speculating that Dave would take on child!Caliborn, but that obviously isn't the case. Are we sure that "Dropping it" doesn't actually mean 'Give up', which Dave somewhat did with his 'why do we even care about English' talk? Dave fighting young Caliborn was one of the more common interpretations of that quote that I can remember. Another one being that it just meant something like "while Lord English is already here". As for "drop it like it's hot", yeah I think most people just took that as Dave being badass in a fight against him.
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Post by Gab on Aug 6, 2016 14:32:32 GMT
Blap's right in that that's probably the earliest you could trace back the foreshadowing for the confrontation, but it's also pretty up in the air at that point, while I'm sure some people might have put it together, there was also a lot more pieces of the puzzle missing at that point. It's much more crystallized when we see Dave reach the "Pimpslayer" god tier rank, at which point we've already seen English (who even was described as a pimp by Andrew on tumblr once). And on it goes from there.
EDIT: Oh, and going even further back, some have retroactively supposed some of the antics Dave got up to in Act 2 could allude to this confrontation as well. Shredding a little green guy in a blender, in which also ends up the head of a tiny saw puppet doll, which gets stuck in a drain but is never quite destroyed for good... That would be very pie in the sky type "foreshadowing" but I guess not technically beyond the realm of impossibility. Dave did already have a poster of the Felt, along with billiard ball bedsheets. Or was it card houses... I can't remember.
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Post by plainWonder on Aug 13, 2016 9:58:26 GMT
Dave had the card suit sheets, Dirk the billiard ball bedsheets.
I think the interpretation of the prophecy became more popular as we discovered more similarities with Problem Sleuth, where MK was the pimp and Sepulchritude!PS what killed him. Davesprite had the swords and wings, thus people also started theorizing he would go fight Lord English instead.
Then there's also Dave's dream about seeing himself die different deaths before flying up to the sun as a crow.
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Post by lizardead on Aug 29, 2016 22:30:20 GMT
Was Jade's Grandpa's revival and spaceship acquisition ever explained? The wiki doesn't really mention anything about it.
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Post by Piono on Aug 29, 2016 22:33:32 GMT
He wasn't revived, it was implied at the very least that he got into the Incipisphere somehow before he died (likely through transportalizers in the frog temple) and then went back home either using the way he got there in the first place or through the defense portals of Skaia.
The spaceship acquisition was never explained.
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Post by Gab on Aug 30, 2016 2:21:01 GMT
Regarding the spaceship: It was also not explained how or when he made a house that closely resembled the dream towers on Prospit and Derses' moons. He's smart, rich, resourceful, and eclectic. He found a way is the answer.
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Post by Blaperile on Aug 30, 2016 8:32:57 GMT
Regarding Grandpa's spaceship, he was described as a "WORLD RENOWNED EXPLORER-NATURALIST-TREASURE HUNTER-ARCHEOLOGIST-SCIENTIST-ADVENTURER-BIG GAME HUNTER-BILLIONAIRE EXTRAORDINAIRE". I think if anyone in the Homestuck world would have the means to acquire a spaceship, it's probably him. Not to mention that he owned the Betty Crocker company which might have helped to develop that spaceship (seeing as in B1 they also built parts of Jade's dreambot), or maybe even Skaianet did. Regarding the spaceship: It was also not explained how or when he made a house that closely resembled the dream towers on Prospit and Derses' moons. He's smart, rich, resourceful, and eclectic. He found a way is the answer. Actually, Jade and Grandpa's home looked exactly like Kanaya's (and was also built right next to the Frog Temple), and we do know where Kanaya's hive came from: I think it can be assumed that the home of Jade and Grandpa (and for that matter, the home of Jake and Grandma) had a similar origin, having been recovered from the Frog Temple right next to it.
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Post by plainWonder on Aug 31, 2016 20:11:40 GMT
Rereading the passage above, I speculate that the geothermic energy powering Jade's house, might have been freed by Grandpa as he drilled a hole to put the house's seed in.
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Post by obsidalicious on Sept 17, 2016 21:29:02 GMT
It's been said that Calliope and Caliborn were based on certain facets of the Fandom. Is that actually an established fact, or is that just a widely accepted theory?
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Post by randomlurker on Sept 18, 2016 5:57:46 GMT
Did we ever learn what the rest of the buttons on the appearifier do? Also, what are the 5 cliffhangers in oh wait? I know one is John is just about to fight the Crude Ogres, another is Dave about to fight his Bro, and the third one is the HOME timer count down finished
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Post by Blaperile on Sept 18, 2016 9:24:57 GMT
It's been said that Calliope and Caliborn were based on certain facets of the Fandom. Is that actually an established fact, or is that just a widely accepted theory? I think it's just a widely accepted theory. Also, what are the 5 cliffhangers in oh wait? I know one is John is just about to fight the Crude Ogres, another is Dave about to fight his Bro, and the third one is the HOME timer count down finished Fourth is probably Rose's imminent destruction by meteors. I'm not sure what the fifth is either. Maybe the Dad situation, seeing as that was also addressed during the flash that came just after it?
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Post by randomlurker on Sept 18, 2016 23:40:22 GMT
Fourth is probably Rose's imminent destruction by meteors. I'm not sure what the fifth is either. Maybe the Dad situation, seeing as that was also addressed during the flash that came just after it? Probably, there wasn't much else going on at the time. Did we ever learn what the rest of the buttons on the appearifier do? Well, upon further reading, it turns out the home button sets the time to the day the kids entered.
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Post by randomlurker on Oct 2, 2016 23:10:35 GMT
When does Vriska reveal that she's the reason Jade falls asleep all the time?
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Post by mementovivere on Oct 3, 2016 0:23:29 GMT
When does Vriska reveal that she's the reason Jade falls asleep all the time? In this conversation with Tavros she says that she used Jade as a guinea pig to see how her powers work across sessions, and that she got "lots and lots and LOTS of practice".
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Post by crusadercaster on Oct 6, 2016 21:18:56 GMT
is it ever explained why Aradia was able to be a ghost and not stay in the afterlife or go through dreambubbles? (though now i realized while typing this that the concept of dreambubbles wernt made yet)
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Post by obsidalicious on Oct 6, 2016 21:32:20 GMT
is it ever explained why Aradia was able to be a ghost and not stay in the afterlife or go through dreambubbles? (though now i realized while typing this that the concept of dreambubbles wernt made yet) Not explicitly no. But presumably it was her own natural psychic powers that enabled her to do that. Especially since her psychic powers are related to the dead already.
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Post by Gab on Oct 6, 2016 23:15:12 GMT
She communed with the dead, and had a host of ghosts haunt Vriska. One way or another, the deceased can remain in the world of the living. She was among them, for one reason or another.
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