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Post by mistertorchwick on May 18, 2017 19:04:19 GMT
It's nice to see that you see Pre as making good points. While I haven't seen just about anyone saying that Pre doesn't have problems, but I've seen several people who refuse to acknowledge Post as having any problems. Either you're mixing up Pre and Post, or you've seen the opposite of what I've seen... Good golly gee this fandom is weird. Vriska in particular seems to be an extremely devicive character. I've noticed a number of strange dichotomies surrounding fan opinion on a number of things she does and says. To me, personally, she's not that interesting. I don't think she's poorly written or anything, I just care about a lot of other characters a lot more than I care about her.
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Post by ashercrane on May 18, 2017 22:13:32 GMT
It's nice to see that you see Pre as making good points. While I haven't seen just about anyone saying that Pre doesn't have problems, but I've seen several people who refuse to acknowledge Post as having any problems. Either you're mixing up Pre and Post, or you've seen the opposite of what I've seen... Nope. I mixed up my pre and post terms. XD
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Post by mistertorchwick on May 18, 2017 22:25:37 GMT
Farts. What I said in my previous post still stands, though, does it?
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Post by Gab on May 19, 2017 1:26:39 GMT
Vriska in particular seems to be an extremely devicive character. I've noticed a number of strange dichotomies surrounding fan opinion on a number of things she does and says. To me, personally, she's not that interesting. I don't think she's poorly written or anything, I just care about a lot of other characters a lot more than I care about her. This is in itself a pretty interesting perspective. With most people discussion happens hot and heavy, usually on one side or another, with varying degrees of intensity either way, and that only gets worse when she actually splits into two people and eviscerates herself. Interesting to find a person who actually is just not that engaged with her story. Which is a valid opinion. For all her talk and grandiose motions, she's really not nearly as big a cog of the story as she likes to claim she is, and never receives more attention than the other major characters of the story. Even so, sometimes you just can't help talking about her. No more questions, I'm as excited as you to get to the end. You're almost there. A few more lengthy conversations to go, but after that it picks up again in a hurry. Breathe it in though, all this dialogue this is sort of a farewell tour. At least that's kind of how I look at it.
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Post by Blaperile on May 22, 2017 17:41:05 GMT
Vriska in particular seems to be an extremely devicive character. I've noticed a number of strange dichotomies surrounding fan opinion on a number of things she does and says. Oh man, definitely. In the past few years she's been basically the living definition of polarizing a fandom on a matter. There's been lots, and lots of heavy debates on her character throughout the years. At some point, on the original forums, comic discussion got so clogged up with Vriska discussion (even when the most recent updates weren't even about her), that people made a separate thread for discussing her character. And that thread became so popular that it got many different itrations and hundreds of pages of discussion. She's just such an unusual character that a lot of people can't help but feel strongly about her, either in a positive way or in a negative way. And then funnily enough, those feelings got more physical as Vriska split into literally two different characters. And from what I've seen, a lot of people really like one of both Vriskas and heavily dislike the other one. While Vriska's not my favorite character in the story, I do think she's one of the most well-written ones.
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Post by mistertorchwick on Jun 10, 2017 17:58:59 GMT
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Post by mistertorchwick on Jun 10, 2017 18:27:37 GMT
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Post by mistertorchwick on Jun 10, 2017 18:38:23 GMT
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 11, 2017 5:57:37 GMT
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Post by mistertorchwick on Jun 11, 2017 6:02:34 GMT
Yup. Those were all in the credits.
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 11, 2017 7:00:23 GMT
Yup. Those were all in the credits. There's more past the ones shown in the credits.
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Post by mistertorchwick on Jun 11, 2017 15:09:38 GMT
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 11, 2017 22:18:37 GMT
I have some questions about the ending that I want to hear your answer/interpretation for: 1) Exactly how vulnerable is Lord English right at the ending? How many sources of power does he have, and how many of them have been countered/neutralized? 2) Given the story's general emphasis on crafty shenanigans as well as all the instances where brute force has been the wrong answer to a problem, do you think brute forcing English in a fight would be a satisfying solution that fits with the rest of the story's themes and so forth? 3) What do you think about the Kids settling down for a happy ending knowing that at some point, they're just going to have to get back up again to go fight kid!Caliborn and then adult!English and potentially get trapped, if not killed by the black hole?
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Post by mistertorchwick on Jun 11, 2017 22:33:43 GMT
I have some questions about the ending that I want to hear your answer/interpretation for: 1) Exactly how vulnerable is Lord English right at the ending? How many sources of power does he have, and how many of them have been countered/neutralized? 2) Given the story's general emphasis on crafty shenanigans as well as all the instances where brute force has been the wrong answer to a problem, do you think brute forcing English in a fight would be a satisfying solution that fits with the rest of the story's themes and so forth? 3) What do you think about the Kids settling down for a happy ending knowing that at some point, they're just going to have to get back up again to go fight kid!Caliborn and then adult!English and potentially get trapped, if not killed by the black hole? 1) I suppose he still has the powers that are contributing him from his god tier and sprite abilities. However, without the Green Sun he loses a great deal of his reality-smashing powers. He was originally fueled by the Green Sun because he sprang from Doc Scratch, a First Guardian, correct? And that has time and again been shown to be a game-breaking power, while both godtiers and sprites have been overcome multiple times. So while by the end he is still incredibly powerful, the Beta Kids have most likely developed their powers to an insanse degree (being at the very least 5 years older), although Jade probably suffered from the Green Sun's destruction as well. 2) You make a good point. I'll have to think on that. It's something I haven't really noticed or considered. I suppose the way it was presented just made me think that's what we were going for, and after all the buildup and all the atrocities LE has committed I was pretty much just ready to see him go out in whatever way he could. 3) Ugh. I didn't think of that, either. Again, so many loose ends and wibbly-wobbly timey wimey stuff I couldn't keep it all straight. That bums me out pretty bad, yeah. I don't know what to make of that thought, but I'm a sucker for happy endings and I'm extremely tired of the doom and gloom constantly prophesied by the story. More later.
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Post by Gab on Jun 12, 2017 3:14:53 GMT
Heyyyyyyyy. We made it all this way. I honestly forget sometimes you'd sworn off the comic because of Caliborn. I'm glad you were able to give it another chance and were rewarded for toughing it out, and I guess pretty honored for playing a role in that.
For the record, I like the ending too. I think plenty of people here do, even if the more critical ones are the more likely to speak up. And while obsidalicious raises some points with his rather leading questions, I think the ending is constructed in such a way that you can reach an optimistic conclusion one of two ways. If you don't really want to dwell on it and overthink it, you can take a cue from the upbeat tone of the last videos and assume a happy ending. If you do want to take a crack at imagining what has happened offscreen and solve the noncritical mysteries it left hanging, and you get into the theories shared, you will find evidence that still supports an outcome of victory for our heroes, even if there are worrying elements unaddressed by the end.
The point is, you and I appear to agree Collide and Act 7 effectively resolve the story, ending it on a positive note. There's no need for an epilogue to add to or "salvage" anything, it would at best be fluff, just something extra to give one last goodbye to the story and the fans. And I'm really glad you feel that way! Especially because, with the other stuff you heavily disliked, it could easily have turned out not to be the case. Seeing new perspectives here is always awesome.
While I know your job is going to keep you busy, I hope this isn't the last we see of you here. I bet you could add something to the discussions we have around here. If nothing else, activity might pick up once Hiveswap comes out.
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Post by mistertorchwick on Jun 12, 2017 6:02:53 GMT
Oh, I'm definitely going to keep it up here, even with work. I probably won't be able to write a whole lot, but I'll be stalking.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 15, 2017 10:22:26 GMT
For all her talk and grandiose motions, she's really not nearly as big a cog of the story as she likes to claim she is, and never receives more attention than the other major characters of the story. Even so, sometimes you just can't help talking about her. Vriska definitely gets more attention than a lot of other characters in the story, which, if you already don't like her or don't care about her can make her seem even more annoying.
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