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Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 29, 2016 8:27:43 GMT
The thing is, even if post-retcon Vriska gets a 'she ended up dying in the ended and she didn't like the thought of that and hence got punished' sort of ending in the epilogue, it would still be disappointing for her arc to end up like that. Post-retcon Vriska should not have happened at all. But at the same time bringing her back was one of the huge points of the retcon so....? I actually would have liked the moral that it seemed like Hussie was going for with that, but then he just... Didn't follow through with it? Honestly Roxy is more of a "straight Mary Sue" than Vriska, but nobody seems to care. I never really got why Roxy is so popular to be honest. I mean yeah I do like her, and I think she's the best Alpha kid (although I'm not a huge fan of Jake and Jane at all) and her drunken texts were funny, but I don't think she's the best character in the comic? I don't think she's really done much ether, except for dealing with her alcohol issue? tbh I'm actually quite surprised by how popular she is considering the majority of the fandom's focus tends to be on Dave, Karkat and John most of the time.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 29, 2016 13:33:17 GMT
The thing is, even if post-retcon Vriska gets a 'she ended up dying in the ended and she didn't like the thought of that and hence got punished' sort of ending in the epilogue, it would still be disappointing for her arc to end up like that. Post-retcon Vriska should not have happened at all. But at the same time bringing her back was one of the huge points of the retcon so....? I actually would have liked the moral that it seemed like Hussie was going for with that, but then he just... Didn't follow through with it? Honestly Roxy is more of a "straight Mary Sue" than Vriska, but nobody seems to care. Yeah what's up with that? Everyone's always talking about Vriska being a Mary Sue, which I never understood. But Roxy is closer to that and nobody complains about that.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 14:23:44 GMT
Yes, I've already said it. Vriska ACTS like a Mary Sue, but she isn't one. She probably thinks she's one, but she's nothing special (I mean, I guess her ability to BECOME THE QUEEN after the retcon makes her somewhat special).
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 29, 2016 15:06:41 GMT
Yes, I've already said it. Vriska ACTS like a Mary Sue, but she isn't one. She probably thinks she's one, but she's nothing special (I mean, I guess her ability to BECOME THE QUEEN after the retcon makes her somewhat special). I never once personally remarked, oh, Vriska acts like a Mary Sue, though I guess that's kinda true. Even though acting like a Mary Sue is a concept that I don't think makes all that much sense.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 15:47:42 GMT
Yes, I've already said it. Vriska ACTS like a Mary Sue, but she isn't one. She probably thinks she's one, but she's nothing special (I mean, I guess her ability to BECOME THE QUEEN after the retcon makes her somewhat special). I never once personally remarked, oh, Vriska acts like a Mary Sue, though I guess that's kinda true. Even though acting like a Mary Sue is a concept that I don't think makes all that much sense. I guess I could say she believes she is one, and acts like so, when she really isn't. That'd probably be better.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 29, 2016 15:53:06 GMT
OK guys I think we're kinda derailing this thread.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 16:10:29 GMT
Everyone's already made their lists and there isn't much to talk about.
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Post by The One Guy on Apr 29, 2016 18:00:00 GMT
I actually would have liked the moral that it seemed like Hussie was going for with that, but then he just... Didn't follow through with it? Honestly Roxy is more of a "straight Mary Sue" than Vriska, but nobody seems to care. I never really got why Roxy is so popular to be honest. I mean yeah I do like her, and I think she's the best Alpha kid (although I'm not a huge fan of Jake and Jane at all) and her drunken texts were funny, but I don't think she's the best character in the comic? I don't think she's really done much ether, except for dealing with her alcohol issue? tbh I'm actually quite surprised by how popular she is considering the majority of the fandom's focus tends to be on Dave, Karkat and John most of the time. The thing is, Roxy's not a common favorite, but no one really dislikes Roxy, thus, she never gets pulled down from anyone's rankings like some of the more popular, but also more controversial characters.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 18:05:51 GMT
Yeah, I'd imagine a hated character is talked more about in a negative light than a liked character.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 29, 2016 18:13:29 GMT
I feel like Roxy's Mary Sue-ness is also just kind of an unrealistic portrayal of alcoholics. Nobody solves their problem and then it's just gone forever.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 19:10:51 GMT
Yeah, it seems she got over it really well. I suppose Hussie's never been a alcoholic or had a alcoholic friend.
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Post by The Paradoxical Insurgent on Apr 29, 2016 19:27:41 GMT
Heads up Neptz for you 413th post. Cause that useto be thing remember.
I feel like Roxygen works because both kids are the least messed up in their groups. I mean the only real flaws either of them have by the end is being a bit dumb at times (...John)
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 19:31:53 GMT
it's not 413 yet. need 2 more. I did, however, reach the final post rung that you can obtain.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 29, 2016 20:04:18 GMT
At the start I thought Roxy was less interesting than Jane and Jake (though more interesting than Dirk), and my opinion only really began to change during the Quest Crypt conversations and later once she started interacting with John, and soon she became my favorite. it's not 413 yet. need 2 more. I did, however, reach the final post rung that you can obtain. Two days ago I saw you were nearing it so I added a bunch of new ranks, uptil post-count 780 for now.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 29, 2016 20:06:51 GMT
At the start I thought Roxy was less interesting than Jane and Jake (though more interesting than Dirk), and my opinion only really began to change during the Quest Crypt conversations and later once she started interacting with John, and soon she became my favorite. Holy shit it's like the inverse of what's usually thought nowadays. Like seriously, the EXACT OPPOSITE.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 21:18:44 GMT
At the start I thought Roxy was less interesting than Jane and Jake (though more interesting than Dirk), and my opinion only really began to change during the Quest Crypt conversations and later once she started interacting with John, and soon she became my favorite. it's not 413 yet. need 2 more. I did, however, reach the final post rung that you can obtain. Two days ago I saw you were nearing it so I added a bunch of new ranks, uptil post-count 780 for now. I am going to murder someone. you think I'm not gonna reach it in a week
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 30, 2016 7:02:40 GMT
At the start I thought Roxy was less interesting than Jane and Jake (though more interesting than Dirk), and my opinion only really began to change during the Quest Crypt conversations and later once she started interacting with John, and soon she became my favorite. it's not 413 yet. need 2 more. I did, however, reach the final post rung that you can obtain. Two days ago I saw you were nearing it so I added a bunch of new ranks, uptil post-count 780 for now. Oh wow really? That's different to what the majority think. I thought that Dirk was the most 'interesting', but Roxy was the most entertaining (I thought her drunken texts were hilarious and was on comparison to Dave in hilarity tbh). And I agree with Roxy's alcoholism not being realistic. I'm presuming that she did have issues but they occurred off-screen. And one thing I don't get is that alcoholics apparently are so used to alcohol that it takes a lot of drinks for them to get drunk, yet Roxy was drunk all the time at the beginning of act 6. So I'm guessing that she must have drunken a lot of alcohol in order to get drunk like that? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this. Maybe she wasn't a full on alcoholic, and that's why she was able to give it up easily? I don't really know lol.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 30, 2016 8:54:53 GMT
Oh wow really? That's different to what the majority think. I thought that Dirk was the most 'interesting', but Roxy was the most entertaining (I thought her drunken texts were hilarious and was on comparison to Dave in hilarity tbh). Sure, I thought Roxy's drunken texts were also really hilarious and entertaining to read, moreso than any other character I can think of. But other than Roxy being pretty entertaining, I just thought Jane and Jake were more interesting at the time. I think that was mostly because of how much focus Jane and Jake got in the beginning, and because I also liked Nanna and Grandpa more than I liked Mom and Bro. And also because of how much Jane and Jake reminded me of John, who is my favourite character in general. Since then I don't really think my perception of Jane and Jake has become worse or anything, it's just my perception of Roxy that has gotten way better.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on May 3, 2016 14:45:16 GMT
Someone suggest me a tier name for Dave.
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Post by forgottenkinsman on May 3, 2016 14:55:22 GMT
Someone suggest me a tier name for Dave. dave tier
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Post by Neptz on May 3, 2016 16:06:37 GMT
irony tier
I'm kind of sad people don't really like Jane a lot. I guess maybe they would if she was explored more.
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Post by quixoticTokki on May 3, 2016 17:33:10 GMT
something about snoop dogg, irony, or sbahj??
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Post by The Paradoxical Insurgent on May 3, 2016 23:21:01 GMT
delirious biznasty tier
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on May 8, 2016 12:54:48 GMT
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Post by Neptz on May 8, 2016 17:46:43 GMT
LET'S ALL WORK A COLLECTIVE EFFORT TO KNOCK VRISKA DOWN TO MID TIER, GUYS! (Just kidding. You're allowed to like and rate her how you want)
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