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Post by Blaperile on Apr 13, 2017 20:51:54 GMT
Oh god, a new Hiveswap TRAILER. That's definitely not something I was expecting today! Especially not after Andrew's news post of 6 days ago. *watches the video* HOLY SHIT
HOLY FRICKIN SHIT
WHAT WAS THAT
Those cutscenes!!!!! Those fricking cutscenes!!! It's like I was watching a real Homestuck cartoon on tv, THAT WAS AMAZING.
God DAMN that was cool. Even the way Joey's hair and clothes move in the wind on the attic! And even the gameplay scenes looked so very smooth and awesome.
I can hardly believe what I just saw!
First of all, I love the background music. It's like it came straight from the Grubbles!
Those uh, mysterious figures outside of Jude's tree hut are even more unnerving than before NOW THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY MOVING.
Just look at the way the Cherub key is animated, holy shit!!! The way Joey gets literally pulled towards the door by the key reminds me A LOT of how Jane got pulled into licking the Sucker, haha. Some mysterious magic going on there!
I absolutely love that we got a look at what Xefros' living room looks like! Haha, a commercial for the Heiress on tv, apparently.
I love those Joey VS monster screens. Joey's facial expressions are totally amazing. xD
And I really like that we got to see that Jude sees Joey leave, just like Xefros sees her arrive, also at the end of a trailer!
But the very end of this video though... those First Guardian effects are making me PRETTY DANG NERVOUS. Does it have something to do with that axolotl thing we saw in some early concept art? Or is Doc Scratch somehow going to be involved in this game???
Whatever the case, this video was an amazing gift. It's sad that Hiveswap got delayed again, but there's simply no way I can possibly complain, especially not after seeing a video like this.
What Pumpkin is clearly hard at work at making this an amazing game.
And I'm really, really happy that they released this on 4/13! This is a great way to not let the date pass by unnoticed.
GET HYPE.
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Post by plainWonder on Apr 13, 2017 20:52:18 GMT
Oh shit, new Hiveswap trailer? Despite what Andrew said about not expecting too much for 4/13! Guess despite the tests not being done (I suspect), at least prepping this must've gone better than expected. I guess, to avoid too much spoilers yet still show new material, this trailer could really only focus on some rooms in Joey's house we hadn't seen yet. Maybe more from Jude's perspective. MAYBE something from Xefros' perspective, I'm not sure. ... WOOOOOOOOOW. We got ourselves Homestuck the Saturday Morning Cartoon, right there! I mean, all those scenes we saw were so dynamic! And not all of them could've been cutscenes, right? I'm thinking mostly immediately of Xefros in his living room - with a television no less! Joey and Xefros riding his lusus. Hell yes, all hail the easy transportation device! It will make getting place so much quicker. Joey's start poses at each strife though. Determined - unsure - and ready to sing (wtf)! ... YOU GOT... A STALE COOKIE! Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duuuuuuh! Cool how Jude shot a flare - probably both as a sign for Joey, and to try and spot if there were any monsters right then in the garden! And it seems we'll need to navigate some musty vents to progress, I presume in Joey's basement? Wow. So might the reason Joey first notices the portal is due to wind billowing in from Alternia? The curtain it was under was definitely moving. Heh, I like the fact that the skeleton/spiral key pulls Joey incessantly towards the portal, like the spiral sucker was drawn to Jane's face. And awww, just like Xefros probably sees Joey arriving on Alternia, Jude is there to see her take off from Earth. Random troll beverage commercial pose of Xefros is random though, heheheheh. Well, I sure like how 2D Hiveswap is turning out, most reminiscent of Homestuck flashes. And a lot of work (and love) went into those drawings, that's for sure. What's the stinger all about, though? The door is almost [firstGuardian]open[/firstGuardian]... I suppose, rather than Doc Scratch or Becquerel, it has something to do with those Axolotl creatures we know so little about yet. And yeah, what's that about a door? Is that just a reference to the ouroburos portal, or something else? ... Watch people start theorizing it's a reference to the Sburb endgame door and Hussie releasing the Epilogue. Well, I'm finishing this 4/13 suitably hyped, I wasn't expecting that anymore! EDIT: I just read Cohen's announcement. Well, it's sad the game took longer than they anticipated, but at least they didn't strike bad luck.
It's just, well, development/testing/finishing up taking longer. I work in IT, I know how that can go.
Looking forward to those interviews, but I wonder how they'll strike the balance between hyping and spoiling.
It’s always good to hear from people that obviously enjoy their own creative work so much, though.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 13, 2017 21:03:17 GMT
Ooooh, thanks for sharing banditAffiliate! I would have missed this news post otherwise. Anyway, this is great. I really like that Cohen is addressing a few things that have bothered a lot of people, about the radio silence and the delays. I couldn't possibly be more satisfied with this. I love they're focusing so much on making it as great as possible. Getting the game by 6/12 would be great, but honestly, if it's still not finished by then I can deal with it because judging from the evolution we've seen between all the trailers and concept art and such, the longer it takes the more beautiful the finished product is going to be.
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Post by Gab on Apr 13, 2017 22:18:35 GMT
For now, one of my favorite tidbits from this trailer is the confirmation that, while playing as Xefros, has a changed ui (indicated by the 'open' arrow on his screen at about 0:37). Kind of obvious, but still cool to see. Aside from that, the quality of the cutscene animations is stunning. You can really see the blood sweat and tears poured into it. And all those little details in the gameplay? Ugghhhhhh That, combined with the very forthright post by Cohen, really helps me get re-energized all over again. I mean, we still have a while longer to wait. 6/12 isn't looking unlikely at all. Could be sooner? But look at this. I can see why it's taking so long. That polish that's been taking so long is going to be what people will be talking about years after the game is old news. It's worth the wait, in my book.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 14, 2017 3:21:06 GMT
All of that's cool and everything, but it's still very little new concrete information. Oh well. It at least sounds like they're maybe getting closer to the finish line.
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Post by Billiards Slick on Apr 14, 2017 15:52:59 GMT
Ah yes, Cohen, but where is Andrew? He didn't even sign the last newspost. >implying andrew is even involved in the making of hiveswap at this point (sigh)
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Post by The One Guy on Apr 14, 2017 16:59:50 GMT
It's nice to see a new trailer and more communication, but it's kind of dissapointing that we still don't know anything new. The game's looking pretty nice, though.
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Post by mementovivere on Apr 14, 2017 17:52:18 GMT
He DID say that part of why we haven't seen anything new content-wise is because they don't want to spoil the game's mysteries, so I'm pretty curious to see what the rest of the game entails beyond Joey stuck in the mansion and some really basic Alternian stuff. Back when the game was 3D we saw a whole bunch of models of other trolls and stuff like Prongle, so presumably there will be at least some dicking around in Alternia, and hopefully some unknown JUICY PLOT THINGS. At the very least it would make sense for the episodes to end in some kind of dramatic or surprising way, in true Homestuck fashion. I'm really excited though! The animation's a LITTLE choppy but it still looks really good, I honestly think 2D animation was the way to go in the end... I love the look of stuff like the weird organic key squeezing into the keyhole and the portal blasting its laser beams. 3D is pretty overrated imo, and is difficult to do really artistically or stylistically when you're on a budget. And while I like the instrumental parts of the song a lot, I honestly don't love the use of the heavily-distorted KK Slider vocals, but maybe the Grubbels music will grow on me the more I listen to it Random detail I noticed: the cherub portal key has the obvious swirl and snakes, but the teeth of the key look like literal cherub teeth/fangs!
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 14, 2017 20:38:23 GMT
Ah yes, Cohen, but where is Andrew? He didn't even sign the last newspost. >implying andrew is even involved in the making of hiveswap at this point (sigh) Well after a certain point he wouldn't be. Even if a game's your idea it's such a huge undertaking that unless you're in that business yourself there's no real reason for you to be involved every step of the process. He DID say that part of why we haven't seen anything new content-wise is because they don't want to spoil the game's mysteries, so I'm pretty curious to see what the rest of the game entails beyond Joey stuck in the mansion and some really basic Alternian stuff. Back when the game was 3D we saw a whole bunch of models of other trolls and stuff like Prongle, so presumably there will be at least some dicking around in Alternia, and hopefully some unknown JUICY PLOT THINGS. At the very least it would make sense for the episodes to end in some kind of dramatic or surprising way, in true Homestuck fashion. It's intriguing because I'm starting to wonder if they're keeping so mum just because they're worried about spoiling things, and I'm trying to imagine scenarios where spoilers would matter all that much in a game like this and....I kind of can't imagine all that many. Just what have they got planned?
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Post by plainWonder on Apr 15, 2017 14:51:07 GMT
Blaperile and I have been talking about what way "the man on the moon" could be involved in the plot of Hiveswap.
I think it would be really cool if we got some information through an NPC, or possibly at a time when we can (for a really short time) play as Trizza, learn some of his machinations. Like things she believes he said that imply he's going to help her in any way, but which to seasoned Homestuck readers are clearly white lies / hypotheticals rather than statements. "With my assistance, you would surely be able to overthrow the ruling Empress." Typical Scratch stuff like that.
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When rewatching the trailer, I realized how funny it is that the pigeon is sitting there calm as fuck on the fridge, while it is the monster that is taking the role of "scared bird flew in through the window and now can't get out anymore".
Plus, it's neat how Jude's pigeons are gray. How so? Well, it's halfway between the main colour for Dave's associated bird type (black crows) and Dirk's (white gulls). (And if you call them doves instead of pigeons, their names are also equal in length.)
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Post by heyitskane on Apr 15, 2017 16:18:16 GMT
The hiveswap hype train was out of operation for a while, but now it's back and charging metaphorically ahead faster than ever!
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Post by Gab on Apr 15, 2017 19:12:10 GMT
I'm really excited though! The animation's a LITTLE choppy but it still looks really good, I honestly think 2D animation was the way to go in the end... I love the look of stuff like the weird organic key squeezing into the keyhole and the portal blasting its laser beams. 3D is pretty overrated imo, and is difficult to do really artistically or stylistically when you're on a budget. I guess I don't really disagree. It seems like if Hiveswap had come out way back in its 3D phase it wouldn't have nearly this level of polish, and the little we've seen so far is just gorgeous. But I'd so been looking forward to seeing the Homestuck world in 3D, and I'll always voice the lament that we won't get to see that realized beyond a few teasers and trashed assets. Speaking of that and noticing little details, though, anyone notice the old Trizza model in about 0:37 of the trailer? I'm personally happy it snuck its way into the game ;P And in that same scene, one of my favorite thing is you can see some of the leaves jostling gently in that clip. That attention to detail is just so great. Also, I'm guessing those scenes at the end, those purple screens with Joey and monsters, are Strife! intro screens. We were told there would be puzzle-like fights with monsters, but I was never really sure whether it would be like a codified Thing, or if it would be more normal puzzles that just happen to involve defeating and/or avoiding monsters, but these scenes suggest there will be dedicated fight scenarios. Cool! Related to that is that cute little eye thing that I imagine is related to the strife system. It appears to be pointing to the right. Press right to dodge? It's design jumps out at me, though. Kind of reminds me of Gravity Falls (though I've not yet had a chance to watch this show). As for length, I'm still pretty sure there will be a lot more than we've seen in these recent trailers. If it were going to be much shorter, then that scene with Jane and Xefros riding would probably be where the game ends. I think this game will be pretty meaty. It seems like there's a lot to do, like apparently going through this fight scenario to acquire the birb. (also, you can tell time has passed, the room looks darker than it does in the screenshot of it in the steam greenlight page. So the whole harley manor chapter will be a significant undertaking, not some quick prologue before we get to Alternia. That said, it looks like there will be plenty to do as soon as you get there as well. From the looks of it, it seems like you'll take control of Xefros in his hive and make your way over to Joey. And there will surely be additional puzzles and strife scenarios that we haven't seen yet at all.
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Post by thedude3445 on Apr 16, 2017 4:51:19 GMT
It looks really pretty but if the game isn't up to snuff I will be really upset.
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Post by Music connoisseur on Apr 18, 2017 14:35:40 GMT
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Post by Gab on Apr 25, 2017 16:16:42 GMT
You know, a little while back I heard a theory that the Alternia we see in the game, in fact, exists in Universe C. I personally disagree, but arguments can be made for both sides and I thought it might make for some interesting discussion here, if anyone were interested.
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Post by obsidalicious on Apr 25, 2017 22:47:32 GMT
You know, a little while back I heard a theory that the Alternia we see in the game, in fact, exists in Universe C. I personally disagree, but arguments can be made for both sides and I thought it might make for some interesting discussion here, if anyone were interested. As in, the "Alternia" is actually just the Troll Kingdom of Earth C? Or as in, a group of Troll pilgrims left Earth C to found a Troll-only New Alternia on some other planet? Either option has interesting implications. On Earth C the presence of a fuschia heiress(assuming she's not just making it up) would lend credence to the idea that the Creators are just figureheads rather than actual leaders. If it's new Alternia, that raises interesting questions about the goings-on of Earth C that motivated some Trolls to want a planet to themselves with no other race there.
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Post by melonlord on Apr 26, 2017 13:48:51 GMT
You know, a little while back I heard a theory that the Alternia we see in the game, in fact, exists in Universe C. I personally disagree, but arguments can be made for both sides and I thought it might make for some interesting discussion here, if anyone were interested. As in, the "Alternia" is actually just the Troll Kingdom of Earth C? Or as in, a group of Troll pilgrims left Earth C to found a Troll-only New Alternia on some other planet? Either option has interesting implications. On Earth C the presence of a fuschia heiress(assuming she's not just making it up) would lend credence to the idea that the Creators are just figureheads rather than actual leaders. If it's new Alternia, that raises interesting questions about the goings-on of Earth C that motivated some Trolls to want a planet to themselves with no other race there. It also suggests things kind of went to shit, if we're back in full caste-ism mode with drones kidnapping people off the street.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 26, 2017 14:26:29 GMT
You know, a little while back I heard a theory that the Alternia we see in the game, in fact, exists in Universe C. I personally disagree, but arguments can be made for both sides and I thought it might make for some interesting discussion here, if anyone were interested. ...Hmmm. Can someone confirm if we've seen any hints of the pink or green moons yet in any trailers or concept-art? If they were deliberately not shown anywhere, that could be a hint. If this crazy but funny theory would turn out to be true, then the question is, who's "the white man" implied to be in cahoots with Trizza if it's not Doc Scratch? ...I just realized that in Homestuck all humans have a white colour so it could also be referring to a human. If it's new Alternia, that raises interesting questions about the goings-on of Earth C that motivated some Trolls to want a planet to themselves with no other race there. Well to be honest, the planet that Cherubdad destroyed looks like it might be populated with only Trolls.
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Post by The One Guy on Apr 26, 2017 14:43:14 GMT
I don't put much stock in that theory, but that said: You know, a little while back I heard a theory that the Alternia we see in the game, in fact, exists in Universe C. I personally disagree, but arguments can be made for both sides and I thought it might make for some interesting discussion here, if anyone were interested. ...Hmmm. Can someone confirm if we've seen any hints of the pink or green moons yet in any trailers or concept-art? If they were deliberately not shown anywhere, that could be a hint. If this crazy but funny theory would turn out to be true, then the question is, who's "the white man" implied to be in cahoots with Trizza if it's not Doc Scratch? ...I just realized that in Homestuck all humans have a white colour so it could also be referring to a human. We haven't actually seen Earth C's first guardian. Or the first guardian of whatever the theorized new Alterinia may have. ... Then again, would Earth C even have a first guardian? It's technically still GCat's planet isn't it? And does a planet have to play Sburb to get a first guardian? Does it matter if it's a planet's a race's home planet or if they just moved in there? We don't actually know much about first guardian "rules" come to think of it.
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Post by Gab on Apr 26, 2017 16:28:40 GMT
As in, the "Alternia" is actually just the Troll Kingdom of Earth C? Or as in, a group of Troll pilgrims left Earth C to found a Troll-only New Alternia on some other planet? The latter is what I was thinking. The planet Joey visits is the troll planet we see in the cherub backstory. At first I thought this would be interesting because it would give both new and returning fans of the franchise a legitimate concern about Trizza's presence. But come to think of it, that planet gets wiped out just like the other Alternia. Boy, in a story about apocalypses, it sure is hard to get particularly invested in the well-being of any particular society. Oh well, the self-contained adventure I'm sure will still be thrilling and fun. Anyway, that would certainly explain the presence of the fantrolls, for one thing. On the other hand, references to things like "the white man" and the moons ( and this picture confirms they are there) paint a clear picture of A2 Alternia. Plus, connecting A2 and B1 makes more thematic sense than B1 and C. Also, arguably those trolls would know who humans are if they descended from Earth C?
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Post by legendary on Apr 26, 2017 17:54:21 GMT
I don't put much stock in that theory, but that said: ...Hmmm. Can someone confirm if we've seen any hints of the pink or green moons yet in any trailers or concept-art? If they were deliberately not shown anywhere, that could be a hint. If this crazy but funny theory would turn out to be true, then the question is, who's "the white man" implied to be in cahoots with Trizza if it's not Doc Scratch? ...I just realized that in Homestuck all humans have a white colour so it could also be referring to a human. We haven't actually seen Earth C's first guardian. Or the first guardian of whatever the theorized new Alterinia may have. ... Then again, would Earth C even have a first guardian? It's technically still GCat's planet isn't it? And does a planet have to play Sburb to get a first guardian? Does it matter if it's a planet's a race's home planet or if they just moved in there? We don't actually know much about first guardian "rules" come to think of it. We know that every planet destined to have intelligent life gets one. Thus, either every planet plays the game or all those extra sessions Earth got made FGs for other planets in the B1 universe.
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Post by axolotlSushi on May 1, 2017 3:14:12 GMT
i'mma just pop in here, 'kay?
I don't have much to say on this topic, other than INCREDIBLE HYPE FOR THIS GAME, but I just wanted to mention one detail I love:
All of the Cherub imagery.
For whatever reason, I find myself quite intrigued with this species, and am excited to see them return, and learn more about them. I have to ask; are there any other Cherub fans out there...? :x
k bye
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Post by plainWonder on May 2, 2017 20:20:26 GMT
In the February 2015 Kickstarter update, it was stated the second part of Hiveswap takes place on Alternia. Now, that doesn't mean they can't have changed ideas in the meantime, but personally, I doubt it. Source: We haven't actually seen Earth C's first guardian. Or the first guardian of whatever the theorized new Alterinia may have. ... Then again, would Earth C even have a first guardian? It's technically still GCat's planet isn't it? And does a planet have to play Sburb to get a first guardian? Does it matter if it's a planet's a race's home planet or if they just moved in there? We don't actually know much about first guardian "rules" come to think of it. Well, not sure if Sburb would spawn a first guardian, if the 'alpha' session for the universe is a dead session. Plus, in the form of GCATavrosprite and Jade, the first guardians of the B Universe Earth are still present on Earth C. And, if especially GCATavrosprite can stand in for GCAT as former-B2 Earth's First Guardian, that might be all that's needed.
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Post by scarodactyl on May 4, 2017 6:17:42 GMT
The first artist blog is out! goo.gl/qeuAej Just kidding, they were taking too long so we made our own.
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Post by Blaperile on May 4, 2017 17:51:06 GMT
Oh dear god, that is amazing.
I love the Boss Baby reference
Just out of curiosity, who made those 3 music tracks? They're really great!
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