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Post by Shadow of the Lotus on Apr 27, 2016 1:53:27 GMT
So, with Homestuck essentially over, it might be fun to look back on Andrew's earlier work. Problem Sleuth was pretty much his first big shot of fame.
What do you think of Problem Sleuth?
I think I enjoyed it more than I enjoyed Homestuck, ultimately. I think both Problem Sleuth and Homestuck suffer from a weaker second half, but I think it's more so the case with Problem Sleuth that the first half was just that great.
I don't know what it is about how Andrew handles the zany bullshit nonsense commands, but he just pulls it off so well. And I think he pulls it off much better in the first half of Problem Sleuth than he does in any of his other works. Jailbreak plays it a little too blue at times. The constant piss and shit just isn't that appealing.
The one major complaint I'd throw at Problem Sleuth is that the female characters could be more developed. That they're female counterparts to the detectives is kind of boring though I guess that only reflects their origin. Considering how they started, they actually end up much better fleshed out than you'd think.
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Post by TimeyWimeyHero on Apr 27, 2016 1:56:53 GMT
Yeah, the issue with Problem Sleuth is that its ending sorta overstayed its welcome by dragging on for too long. But I still enjoyed it.
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Post by imglasses on Apr 27, 2016 2:51:00 GMT
I liked Problem Sleuth's ending better than Homestuck's (it actually resolved things). However, in the long run, Homestuck had much more complex and well-developed characters and plot, whereas Problem Sleuth seemed almost entirely humor-based. I did love the Problem Sleuth humor, but Homestuck was also hilarious so overall I'd say Homestuck is better. My main complaint with Problem Sleuth would be the lack of character development.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 27, 2016 3:58:41 GMT
They're kind of two different animals that strived to accomplish different things. That said, as of now Problem Sleuth's ending was more complete and satisfying.
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Post by The One Guy on Apr 27, 2016 14:49:57 GMT
Problem Sleuth was great, but I feel that Homestuck embodies just about everything that makes Problem Sleuth great and more. Even given that Act 6 pulls it down a bit, Homestuck had already solidified it's place at the top before then.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 27, 2016 15:11:41 GMT
I'd say Problem Sleuth wasn't about character development and drama, and was more about telling a funny weird story.
I don't think it had all that much direct dialogue (but implied dialogue was there).
I like Problem Sleuth a little more than Homestuck, if only because Homestuck toned down the humor a LOT once the story got kickin'.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 27, 2016 19:01:51 GMT
I think Problem Sleuth is a pretty good story but not really anything out of the ordinary good, while to me Homestuck is the best story I have ever read with pretty much the most fascinating characters, plotlines, locations and meta-narrative I've ever seen.
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Post by lyla on Apr 27, 2016 19:04:32 GMT
I'm currently reading PS and I like it so far. I doubt I'll like it more than Homestuck though. I've been with this comic for three long years and I'm still obsessed!
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Post by Neptz on Apr 27, 2016 19:09:00 GMT
Murder mysteries are more of my thing nowadays. When I was super into Homestuck I related to it a lot more.
I am still into it, but it's been overshadowed by a lot of other things.
I guess the pauses just put me more out of it. I sought different stuff to pass the time, and got attracted to more.
A lot of Homestuck revolved about character development and drama, and I don't like focusing on characters a ton much of the time. It's just not my thing, primarily because I find it difficult to relate to fictional characters.
Problem Sleuth however was funny, quirky and weird and I thought it was pretty radsome. Having a good ending is also a +1 for me. I remember seeing the epilogue and being shattered by color, and Homestuck pretty much had a lot of colorful scenes, which made the impact of seeing color for the first time pretty moot.
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Post by TimeyWimeyHero on Apr 27, 2016 21:16:31 GMT
I actually read PS before Homestuck, which got me used to the humour and Hussie's style. So the first couple acts weren't so painful.
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 27, 2016 23:23:40 GMT
I think I'd say overall I love Homestuck a lot more than PS, and the highs of Homestuck are way way higher than the highs of Problem Sleuth, but just on the merit of which one has a better-constructed story Problem Sleuth definitely edges out. But it's close - honestly, if the ending to Homestuck had been even a little bit more conclusive, I'd probably prefer the story structure over Problem Sleuth.
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Post by Arashi500 on Apr 28, 2016 0:58:37 GMT
Homestuck easily, not that Problem Sleuth isn't fantastic. I found it a bit harder to keeptrack of events going on in Problem Sleuth over multiple reading sessions, but it was also easier to get back into the swing of thing when I cameback to it or lost my place.
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Post by Shadow of the Lotus on Apr 30, 2016 2:17:42 GMT
Just gave a reread of Problem Sleuth and the second half is much stronger than I remember. I actually think the animated panels were a bit better in Problem Sleuth ultimately... Can't class with Homestuck's flash pages, but the musical elements of those pages I think are the primary way they're superior.
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 30, 2016 3:53:21 GMT
Just gave a reread of Problem Sleuth and the second half is much stronger than I remember. I actually think the animated panels were a bit better in Problem Sleuth ultimately... Can't class with Homestuck's flash pages, but the musical elements of those pages I think are the primary way they're superior. I still really like the flashes, but I can definitely see where you're coming from. The way they're put together is almost more like a slideshow than anything. That said, it's probably the only realistic way to get the production quality you want when it's just one guy and some volunteer artists putting it together and the turnaround is so high, and I think they do an amazing job of being dynamic enough to make you forget at how little real animation there is. |
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Post by TimeyWimeyHero on May 2, 2016 1:01:54 GMT
Just gave a reread of Problem Sleuth and the second half is much stronger than I remember. I actually think the animated panels were a bit better in Problem Sleuth ultimately... Can't class with Homestuck's flash pages, but the musical elements of those pages I think are the primary way they're superior. I still really like the flashes, but I can definitely see where you're coming from. The way they're put together is almost more like a slideshow than anything. That said, it's probably the only realistic way to get the production quality you want when it's just one guy and some volunteer artists putting it together and the turnaround is so high, and I think they do an amazing job of being dynamic enough to make you forget at how little real animation there is. An interesting point, but what about the Strife pages? |
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Post by Neptz on May 2, 2016 1:08:30 GMT
The strife pages are so few that it kind of doesn't matter.
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Post by The Paradoxical Insurgent on May 2, 2016 1:16:02 GMT
Problem Sleuth's Strifes vs Collide is a hard one.
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Post by Neptz on May 2, 2016 1:19:49 GMT
It's kind of like Hussie didn't post strifes until Collide to make a megastrife.
Collide is like the opposite to Ministrife.
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Post by Arashi500 on May 2, 2016 1:52:02 GMT
It's kind of like Hussie didn't post strifes until Collide to make a megastrife. Collide is like the opposite to Ministrife. A fun thought, but it's more likely that action shots are just harder to produce en masse and go by fairly quickly. |
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