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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 28, 2016 22:17:42 GMT
Which flash did you like better? I preferred Collide. Video game action appealed to me a lot more than fancy animation, especially when the fancy animation is just predictable plot dramatized.
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Post by PlatinumUmbreon on Apr 28, 2016 22:46:35 GMT
Don't get me wrong, Act 7 was gorgeous. But Collide was the definition of epicness. Like Cookie, action appeals to me, and the music was absolutely fantastic.
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Post by flagellumVagueness on Apr 28, 2016 22:47:37 GMT
I voted for Collide: objectively it was "better". However, I must say that Collide failed more "as a climax" than Act 7 did "as a resolution". It was precisely because Collide (and the end of A6 as a whole) resolved so little that our expectations for Act 7 were set so high, and when Act 7 failed to deliver, it retroactively made Collide all the more disappointing.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 28, 2016 23:00:38 GMT
I don't really see how Collide was "objectively" better, it was a mess LOL. There's really nothing else I can call it.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 28, 2016 23:19:45 GMT
I probably enjoyed them both about the same.
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Post by lyla on Apr 28, 2016 23:26:06 GMT
I vote Collide because it was more entertaining to me, and didn't crash my hope for a good ending yet. Whoops.
I mean, Act 7 was beautiful, don't get me wrong, but... for the purpose the two things had, (Collide: fights, Act 7: Ending) I think Collide served its purpose far better than Act 7 did. While Collide had entertaining fight scenes, Act 7 didn't feel like an ending in the slightest.
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Post by Shadow of the Lotus on Apr 28, 2016 23:45:27 GMT
Collide was better. But I think both were train wrecks of a sort.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 1:43:56 GMT
Collide, definitely. I like lots of things going on at once and epic battles.
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Post by loading on Apr 29, 2016 2:16:26 GMT
Collide was better. But I think both were train wrecks of a sort. Train wreck, or train... collision?
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Post by imglasses on Apr 29, 2016 2:49:17 GMT
I definitely felt that Act 7 was more visually and emotionally appealing, but Collide was better in terms of plot; Collide at least had some things we didn't already know were going to happen, even if they weren't big reveals or twists, whereas nothing new happened in Act 7. But its hard to choose which is better or worse when they're both good (and bad) in completely different ways.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 4:40:11 GMT
Heir of Grief vs not Heir of Grief
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Post by quixoticTokki on Apr 29, 2016 4:52:58 GMT
I mean everyone's pretty much said it already. I enjoyed Collide for what it was when I first watched it, mostly because I assumed there would much much more to come in Act 7. With Act 7 not delivering and going exactly as one would expect it to, it just fell flat for me. With Collide I at least felt some things; Act 7 made me feel nothing...except for disappointment and frustration, that is. But I will say Collide had some really good soundtracks in it. I mean, Heir of Grief has probably become one of my all-time favorite HS tracks now. So I'm gonna go with Collide.
But with that said, I don't think either of these flashes will ever come close to things like Cascade, Unite/Synchronize, or even Game Over (as painful as it was it was a very good flash and made me feel A LOT of things.)
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Post by swampmist on Apr 29, 2016 6:07:15 GMT
Heir of Grief vs not Heir of Grief basically this, but also I loved everything to do with the TwoJacks fight, and to a lesser extent the condese fight.
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Post by Shadow of the Lotus on Apr 29, 2016 12:15:36 GMT
I mean everyone's pretty much said it already. I enjoyed Collide for what it was when I first watched it, mostly because I assumed there would much much more to come in Act 7. With Act 7 not delivering and going exactly as one would expect it to, it just fell flat for me. With Collide I at least felt some things; Act 7 made me feel nothing...except for disappointment and frustration, that is. But I will say Collide had some really good soundtracks in it. I mean, Heir of Grief has probably become one of my all-time favorite HS tracks now. So I'm gonna go with Collide. But with that said, I don't think either of these flashes will ever come close to things like Cascade, Unite/Synchronize, or even Game Over (as painful as it was it was a very good flash and made me feel A LOT of things.) I'd toss in Descend, WV: Ascend, and Jade: Enter to the lot. And the original of this www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh9Xm8ym04EI can't reread Homestuck with the changed flashes... feels too weird.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 14:19:41 GMT
Eh. I think both are very cool in terms of artstyle. The sprite things for LE and Condy were unexpected, and it seemed like a fighting game... Actually, judging from Collide, Homestuck would make a kickass fighting game.
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Post by staircaseofkneecaps on Apr 29, 2016 14:25:54 GMT
I mean everyone's pretty much said it already. I enjoyed Collide for what it was when I first watched it, mostly because I assumed there would much much more to come in Act 7. With Act 7 not delivering and going exactly as one would expect it to, it just fell flat for me. With Collide I at least felt some things; Act 7 made me feel nothing...except for disappointment and frustration, that is. But I will say Collide had some really good soundtracks in it. I mean, Heir of Grief has probably become one of my all-time favorite HS tracks now. So I'm gonna go with Collide. But with that said, I don't think either of these flashes will ever come close to things like Cascade, Unite/Synchronize, or even Game Over (as painful as it was it was a very good flash and made me feel A LOT of things.) I'd toss in Descend, WV: Ascend, and Jade: Enter to the lot. And the original of this www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh9Xm8ym04EI can't reread Homestuck with the changed flashes... feels too weird. whats different in the new flash?
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Post by mementovivere on Apr 29, 2016 14:37:38 GMT
I don't really see how Collide was "objectively" better, it was a mess LOL. There's really nothing else I can call it. Personally I really like Collide for what it was: a STRIFE! flash cranked up to the 413th degree, and a huge collaborative effort to really do an endgame STRIFE! justice but with some plot points thrown in too. That kind of "organized chaos" is the only thing that REALLY makes sense for a big climactic session-wide Homestuck battle, imo. All the fraymotifs, clever abilities, quick action, and subtle references during the Oppa Toby Style sections are really fun to me... not to mention Heir of Grief is one of the most powerful songs in all of Homestuck, I think. Act 7 is pretty (especially the tadpole parts) and is impressive technically-speaking, but it just didn't resonate with me as powerfully.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 29, 2016 14:38:18 GMT
I'd toss in Descend, WV: Ascend, and Jade: Enter to the lot. And the original of this www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh9Xm8ym04EI can't reread Homestuck with the changed flashes... feels too weird. whats different in the new flash? It uses different music. As do several others. This was done because the original songs were made by Bill Bolin but when his songs were used without permission in Dave and Rose: Shut up and jam (which was supposed to be a pleasant surprise for him), he threw a fit and rage-quit the music team, causing all his songs to be replaced.
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Post by Arashi500 on Apr 29, 2016 16:06:01 GMT
I enjoyd them both immensely, but I've gotta go with Collide. A real, proper Strife from beginning to end was something I felt Homestuck was sort of lacking for all the weapon alchemizations that happened. The sprites also lent it a nostalgic factor that I don't think Act 7 had. whats different in the new flash? It uses different music. As do several others. This was done because the original songs were made by Bill Bolin but when his songs were used without permission in Dave and Rose: Shut up and jam (which was supposed to be a pleasant surprise for him), he threw a fit and rage-quit the music team, causing all his songs to be replaced.Yeah, the Bolin fallout wasn't pretty at all. I have to wonder if simply labelling those songs as WIP when he originally posted them wouldn't have avoided the whole thing.
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Post by The One Guy on Apr 29, 2016 17:34:14 GMT
I voted for Act 7, for several reasons: - Collide failed to have any emotional impact for me, but Act 7 actually drew me in to an extent. Despite my overall disappointment, it still managed to provoke the intended emotional reaction in the moment.
- Collide was nothing but fighting. I've mentioned this before, but Homestuck is an action-adventure story with more emphasis on the "adventure" part. Collide was all action, no adventure. In Act 7 stuff actually happened. It may have not been anything surprising, but it was still stuff happening (and heck, Collide contained barely any surprise either).
- Act 7's music fit better. With Collide, there seemed like a sort of disconnect between the action and the music at some points. Even if the music was technically aligned with what happens, it still lacked the feeling of a connection there. (Note that some parts worked really well, but this sort of disconnect in any part is a problem.) Furthermore, the four songs chosen didn't mesh well together. Act 7 on the other had weaved together the action and the music perfectly.
- More than just fitting better, Act 7's music was better. I realize I may be in the minority in this, but I don't really like Collide's music that much. I've already gone into detail about what I don't like about it in the music thread here. Overture, on the other hand, remains an awesome song.
- Lastly, Act 7 was only bad in context. I've stated it before, but Act 7 is a great conclusion, it just wasn't a great conclusion to what we got. Rather than building toward what would be Act 7, Act 6 sets up a lot of stuff that it doesn't follow through with and Act 7 was never intended to deal with. Collide comes off as a failed attempt to wrap everything up for the ending; if Act 6 and Collide had done better, Act 7 would have been great. As such, one of the reasons Act 7 is considered bad is because Collide was bad.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 29, 2016 18:37:26 GMT
Oh gosh choosing between Collide and Act 7 is really difficult for me, seeing as they're basically the best flashes in Homestuck to me.
Collide takes Homestuck back to its roots in so many ways, all songs in it are awesome as hell and reference so many great songs from Homestuck's past, and it's just so satisfying to finally see all these villains going down and the heroes finally winning this endless challenge. And the way the meta-panel shenanigans receive their culmination here. And I just love how Sprite Mode makes an epic final return here and that we finally got canon Sprite Modes for the villains and for the A1 Trolls. Also I just loved how many people played a role in this including the Sprites and even Aradia.
Meanwhile, Act 7 has absolutely gorgeous music with amazing references to earlier songs too, gorgeous art, gorgeous special effects. And what with how it's the end to this epic story that has been going on for so long, with our heroes finally reaching the goal they were after...
It's really really hard to choose between the two, but I'm going with Act 7 anyway, just because of how much work was put into it and because of how it features the last moments of the comic, and because it has Homestuck surprising me for the very last time even more than Collide did.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 19:14:09 GMT
I voted for Act 7, for several reasons: - Collide failed to have any emotional impact for me, but Act 7 actually drew me in to an extent. Despite my overall disappointment, still managed to provoke the intended emotional reaction in the moment.
- Collide was nothing but fighting. I've mentioned this before, but Homestuck is an action adventure story with more emphasis on the "adventure" part. Collide was all action, no adventure. In Act 7 stuff actually happened. It may have not been anything surprising, but it was still stuff happening (and heck, Collide contained barely any surprise either).
- Act 7's music fit better. With Collide, there seemed like a sort of disconnect between the action and the music at some points. Even if the music was technically aligned with what happens, it still lacked the feeling of a connection there. (Note that some parts worked really well, but this sort of disconnect in any part is a problem.) Furthermore, the four songs chosen didn't mesh well together. Act 7 on the other had weaved together the action and the music perfectly.
- More than just fitting better, Act 7's music was better. I realize I may be in the minority in this, but I don't really like Collide's music that much. I've already gone into detail about what I don't like about it in the music thread here. Overture, on the other hand, remains an awesome song.
- Lastly, Act 7 was only bad in context. I've stated it before, but Act 7 is a great conclusion, it just wasn't a great conclusion to what we got. Rather than building toward what would be Act 7, Act 6 sets up a lot of stuff that it doesn't follow through with and Act 7 was never intended to deal with. Collide comes off as a failed attempt to wrap everything up for the ending; if Act 6 and Collide had done better, Act 7 would have been great. As such, Act 7 is considered bad, is because Collide was bad.
Those are valid reasons! Though I really do see a lot of people who dislike Collide because 'n-no plot drama/advancement....' Also, I don't think Collide was a rushed attempt to wrap stuff up. It was THE FINAL BATTLE, it was always supposed to happen. It did what it had to do, and it didn't half-ass it.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 29, 2016 19:16:05 GMT
Many of the artistic and editing decisions were highly questionable. You could have cut that thing down to 12 minutes easily, if not shorter.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 19:20:38 GMT
I guess. I like long things, though. Then again, I dislike drama/adventure and love action, so this might be bias on my part.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 29, 2016 19:33:48 GMT
I like how the votes correspond roughly with the length of the flashes: Act 7 is half as long as Collide and has roughly half as many votes.
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