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Post by Sharkalien on May 23, 2016 0:50:54 GMT
Fuck, if I told some people I know I see all of the kids as white (with the exception of jade, which I think is some strange breed of asian) I'm getting choked out. I can see why |
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Post by Neptz on May 23, 2016 0:56:24 GMT
I've mostly been wrecked by saying "JOHN AIN'T BLACK MANG" than by saying that I thought jade is asian which is surprisingly well accepted
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Post by Sharkalien on May 23, 2016 1:02:22 GMT
"some strange breed of asian". That is such a poor choice of words
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Post by Neptz on May 23, 2016 1:25:57 GMT
m8 u wanna fight we gonna go out on the backstreets and have a big fistfgiht
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Post by Sharkalien on May 23, 2016 1:38:29 GMT
m8 u wanna fight we gonna go out on the backstreets and have a big fistfgiht i 8nt the right breed of asian that knows kung fu |
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Post by sigh on May 23, 2016 2:01:59 GMT
In Neptz defense the people who were attacking her were probably also the kind of people that would describe Jade in a similar manner, but in a creepy, race-fetishizing way like you see a lot on Tumblr. God knows I've seen enough examples of it myself.
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Post by Sharkalien on May 23, 2016 2:07:24 GMT
In Neptz defense the people who were attacking her were probably also the kind of people that would describe Jade in a similar manner, but in a creepy, race-fetishizing way like you see a lot on Tumblr. God knows I've seen enough examples of it myself. Oh Jesus. I've been fortunate enough to stay unexposed to those parts of Tumblr |
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Post by aquilus3 on May 23, 2016 2:08:20 GMT
Then there's also people who are very, very passionate about headcanons. Fuck, if I told some people I know I see all of the kids as white (with the exception of jade, which I think is some strange breed of asian) I'm getting choked out. That's really stupid on their part. I don't understand people like those. |
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Post by Arashi500 on May 23, 2016 2:11:44 GMT
This forum HAS been pretty tame so far, all things considered. But yeah, when your head canons start to prevent you or someone else from having fun, you're prolly doing it wrong.
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Post by aquilus3 on May 23, 2016 2:12:10 GMT
Yeah I'm absolutely sure the reason behind not allowing those topics was because of drama. I remember the serious business area on the MSPAF and I also remember never going in to it because nearly every topic turned from peaceful discussion to toxic drama by the 2nd page of said topic. So while I understand you might have wanted to host those topics, honestly, there are better forums to host it then a forum centered around a single fandom. So honestly I think they were in the clear to shut down those topics given the track record those topics had. Usually on sites where I've been to like nma and gta forums we have discussions like those all the time. And usually everyones Civil about it. I found at the best is usually make the thread and keep some distance from it. I don't see why they couldn't act Civil about it back then. Maybe 2011 really sucked? But I think as the guy above me said it probably had more to do with headcannons and people being quick to shut someone off or call them a racist. Personally I think John's some white dude |
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Post by gimeurcookie on May 23, 2016 2:37:34 GMT
Yeah I'm absolutely sure the reason behind not allowing those topics was because of drama. I remember the serious business area on the MSPAF and I also remember never going in to it because nearly every topic turned from peaceful discussion to toxic drama by the 2nd page of said topic. So while I understand you might have wanted to host those topics, honestly, there are better forums to host it then a forum centered around a single fandom. So honestly I think they were in the clear to shut down those topics given the track record those topics had. Usually on sites where I've been to like nma and gta forums we have discussions like those all the time. And usually everyones Civil about it. I found at the best is usually make the thread and keep some distance from it. I don't see why they couldn't act Civil about it back then. Maybe 2011 really sucked? But I think as the guy above me said it probably had more to do with headcannons and people being quick to shut someone off or call them a racist. Personally I think John's some white dude Except I'm talking about the Serious Business area. The Serious Business area was an area people could talk about politics and things going on in the world / serious current events / the wars. Not headcanons. I suggest trying to set up a serious business topic again here and see how it goes. Maybe things have changed, or maybe it's going to be just as bad as it was before. It wouldn't be a bad idea to give it a test run if you think it's possible it can be civil. Edit: I personally would stay completely away from the Serious Business unless by some long shot it ends up being civil and not a train wreck again. |
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Post by Wesley Foxx on May 23, 2016 2:40:54 GMT
I'm just gonna say that if we end up with a serious business discussion area, I'm not going near it with a 10 foot metaphorical pole. If any shit of that sort gets brought to me to deal with, I'm either going to ignore it or nuke it from orbit. That part of the forum got at LEAST twice as many reports and infractions than the rest of the forum combined. It was a CONSTANT headache. And it lingered, too, with people continuing to argue across the rest of the forum for weeks afterwards and people repeatedly petitioning for us to bring it back ever since.
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Post by Sharkalien on May 23, 2016 2:46:15 GMT
Yeah, I thought the reason we learned history was so it didn't repeat itself
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Post by aquilus3 on May 23, 2016 11:01:31 GMT
I'm just gonna say that if we end up with a serious business discussion area, I'm not going near it with a 10 foot metaphorical pole. If any shit of that sort gets brought to me to deal with, I'm either going to ignore it or nuke it from orbit. That part of the forum got at LEAST twice as many reports and infractions than the rest of the forum combined. It was a CONSTANT headache. And it lingered, too, with people continuing to argue across the rest of the forum for weeks afterwards and people repeatedly petitioning for us to bring it back ever since. Hahaha lol. Nuke it from orbit. You might destroy the rest of the forums depending on the yield. Personally I can see why you guys brought it down. Maybe the people who went to that sub forum were just really not mature or ready for differing opinions. |
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Post by jacquerel on May 23, 2016 11:29:08 GMT
This very topic is already convincing me that the right atmosphere for sensible discussion still doesn't exist here.
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Post by aquilus3 on May 23, 2016 14:17:10 GMT
This very topic is already convincing me that the right atmosphere for sensible discussion still doesn't exist here. Why's that? |
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Post by Arashi500 on May 23, 2016 14:28:24 GMT
Does this forum even have a large enough community to justify opening a subforum for topics already prone to emotional outbursts? I don't have much of a problem with the idea itself, but considering how many people who will just avoid it out of principle, might not be the best idea to open up something that volatile.
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Post by jacquerel on May 23, 2016 17:11:38 GMT
This very topic is already convincing me that the right atmosphere for sensible discussion still doesn't exist here. Why's that? People are already and have been in previous pages being rude and dismissive of others, often apparently without realising it. |
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Post by Neptz on May 23, 2016 19:08:16 GMT
In Neptz defense the people who were attacking her were probably also the kind of people that would describe Jade in a similar manner, but in a creepy, race-fetishizing way like you see a lot on Tumblr. God knows I've seen enough examples of it myself. I'm a dude, man |
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Post by Fish on May 23, 2016 19:33:40 GMT
I have never been to a forum whose pg-13 rule was so severely limiting that I felt I couldn't make a topic or do a certain post. What sort of topics did you feel you were unable to make due to the rules? Honestly, (and I used this comparison back when people were complaining on the MSPA Forums, too), other forums are/were MUCH more restricting. The Paizo forums, for D&Desque games, constantly delete entire discussions. The Runescape forums, at least when I was on them, banned any off-topic discussions whatsoever - you had to talk about the game, or you were out. Part of this may be because the MSPA community is a little more chill and a little smaller, so discussions get/got out of hand less often, but really what we had on the old forums was quite open. Edit: Oh, I didn't see the new page. Yeah, actually, never mind about this community being more chill . . . |
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Post by sigh on May 23, 2016 21:43:43 GMT
In Neptz defense the people who were attacking her were probably also the kind of people that would describe Jade in a similar manner, but in a creepy, race-fetishizing way like you see a lot on Tumblr. God knows I've seen enough examples of it myself. I'm a dude, man Sorry I just go by the gender of the avatar when in doubt. |
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Post by Neptz on May 23, 2016 22:08:09 GMT
Sorry I just go by the gender of the avatar when in doubt. check the pronouns section sometime, it's what i do when i'm doubting someone's gender |
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Post by thedude3445 on May 23, 2016 22:08:55 GMT
People are already and have been in previous pages being rude and dismissive of others, often apparently without realising it. Haha yeah..... this thread quickly got out of hand MSPA Forums went like 6 months once without a single ban (at least according to the ban log); it was pretty much the most well-behaved forum of that size I've ever been on, so it was some pretty good stuff. I don't think it was too strict honestly. The Baby is You getting pulled off and Radiation getting infracted and stuff was too far, but the mods were mostly nice and actually posted a lot of cool stuff even after becoming mods, subverting the Moderators Become Stuffy and Condescending stereotype that exists on many forums. Softowl had some interesting moments but those were big exceptions and I won't go into those because it's rude to talk about people who can't respond (also because I can't remember any specific examples anymore lol). |
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Post by obsidalicious on May 24, 2016 3:29:30 GMT
MSPA Forums went like 6 months once without a single ban (at least according to the ban log) Ah, but is that because the people were well behaved, or because the forums were terribly understaffed, as was made evident in the Hackening. Plus, I suspect that 6 months you're referring to was in the middle of one of the larger pauses, when the forums become largely dormant, with the number of active users dwindling down to under a thousand. So it's debatable whether ban-dry-spell statistics are as meaningful if we're comparing against other forums that might have more constant usage. |
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Post by thedude3445 on May 24, 2016 3:37:46 GMT
Ah, but is that because the people were well behaved, or because the forums were terribly understaffed, as was made evident in the Hackening. Plus, I suspect that 6 months you're referring to was in the middle of one of the larger pauses, when the forums become largely dormant, with the number of active users dwindling down to under a thousand. So it's debatable whether ban-dry-spell statistics are as meaningful if we're comparing against other forums that might have more constant usage. I can't remember anymore, and I can't find you the evidence obviously on account of the forum being dead. But there were still less than 100 bans a year even at peak fandom level ex. Summer 2012 to 4/13/13, which is still really good. The understaffed nature I don't think applies to mods because there were a lot of them (though a lot of the admins seemed like they never checked in after a while), though it was apparently in need of more than one code monkey seeing as it was basically blown up all at once without a backup... |
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