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Post by phillip on Jun 2, 2016 16:01:43 GMT
pointycatears that's something that will be out of my control. Blaperile might be able to compile and release an archive of the posts if his admin panel has such functionality.
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Post by tirgo on Jun 2, 2016 16:29:16 GMT
Plus there's the fact that, being free forums, I doubt these forums are designed to handle the amount of content one would hope to accumulate as the intended central hub of the fandom. as if most fans even care about homestuck forums anymore to begin with. it's not like there's a thousand people who are waiting for a new forums and didn't join this one because they're waiting for an official one. the mspa forums isn't the main hub of the fandom and probably hasn't been since it got big on places like tumblr and reddit. if the forums really were a big deal there would be an 'official' new one by now, but they're not and haven't been for years so it seemed fair enough that WP would barely talk or think about this problem all the way up until now |
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Post by Neptz on Jun 2, 2016 16:46:05 GMT
Right now it would be a good idea to back up all of your stuff in case Blaperile can't backup the entire forums.
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Post by quixoticTokki on Jun 2, 2016 17:06:19 GMT
Oh man if the original forums come back I'm gonna feel like such a noob again, since I had like less than 20 posts and didn't even look at anything outside The Cradle, haha.
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Post by Fish on Jun 2, 2016 17:41:17 GMT
Hey, what will be the policy on users who were banned on the old forums? Clean slate? It seems like retaining the old ban list could have logistical issues.
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Post by phillip on Jun 2, 2016 17:42:49 GMT
Hey, what will be the policy on users who were banned on the old forums? Clean slate? It seems like retaining the old ban list could have logistical issues. TBD, but likely clean slate. |
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Post by Neptz on Jun 2, 2016 17:43:30 GMT
It's not like they'll return if they haven't attempted to appeal their ban, anyways.
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Post by phillip on Jun 2, 2016 18:13:16 GMT
Btw, can anyone here put me in contact with tastySalamanders or banditAffiliate? I'd much appreciate the help.
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Post by Arashi500 on Jun 2, 2016 20:04:36 GMT
Btw, can anyone here put me in contact with tastySalamanders or banditAffiliate? I'd much appreciate the help. , if you haven't already tried PMing them. |
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Post by Blaperile on Jun 2, 2016 20:11:26 GMT
Now that phillip's news is out in the open, I just want to clear up that what phillip just said is pretty much all I know as well, I don't have any extra inside information on the matter. And maybe also important to mention, this is not some kind of secret I've been keeping from you guys for a long time now or anything, I've only known for less than a week myself through aforementioned PM's. In any case, I too am very excited to learn that What Pumpkin is working on the forums, and am really looking forward to where we go from here! This was created like a week after the forums died. Two days, actually! The forums went down shortly after the updates resumed on 28 March, and I started this place on 30 March. My last contact with him was when we heard of autoglassmasterclass' passing. Oh... I never heard of their passing.  I thought autoglassmasterclass was just another user who simply disappeared from the community... Damn. Does this forum even have a large enough community to justify opening a subforum for topics already prone to emotional outbursts? I don't have much of a problem with the idea itself, but considering how many people who will just avoid it out of principle, might not be the best idea to open up something that volatile. Yeah, I really don't think a Serious Business subforum would do much good on these forums. I am excited about the prospect of new official forums, and I would remind everyone that Blap previously stated he would close these forums once an official MSPA Forums returns. So, even if we wanted to stay here, I'm not sure we could. That said, without history beyond what the internet archive saved, I'm probably in the same boat as Jac. I don't use the forums much any more, but I do really value the conversations from when I was more active. I've been thinking about this some more, and I think what I will do (if the new forums come) is lock up all subforums except for Forum Adventures, and let the people who run their Forum Adventures there decide on what they want to do: stay or move over to the new forums. Obviously I will only do that when (if) the new forums are actually up and running smoothly though. Also, is there a way to get posts from these forums onto that site somehow? So we can still look back at stuff here? pointycatears that's something that will be out of my control. Blaperile might be able to compile and release an archive of the posts if his admin panel has such functionality. The only thing I'm aware of is that in case of lost data (hack attacks or otherwise) I could contact Proboards itself to ask for backups of the data, but that's all I know. |
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Post by plainWonder on Jun 2, 2016 20:44:40 GMT
It might be fair to acknowledge in this present location my position as well. Since some of you know me as Blaperile's older, less active brother, I should make clear that I have had no involvement with the establishing or the administration of these forums, beyond occasionally looking across Blap's shoulders.  Nor am I currently in direct contact with phillip. jacquerel , I'm sorry that your previous experience with WP has been so turbulent. I hope we can change your mind as time goes on. Regarding your concerns, I would agree that WP as a whole cannot dedicate a ton of resources to forum stuff (it's basically me right now). In the end though, it's only so we can quickly deliver more content (previously in finishing the comic by 4/13, and now Hiveswap), which is, after all, the reason why everybody is here in the first place, right? I understand that your knowledge of the forums' history is limited. However, I agree with what a few others have stated, that having an official, dedicated spokes person for What Pumpkin would be immensely appreciated by the community. Rachel Rocklin filled that position in the past, however I understand why that ended. What Pumpkin staff run the risk of getting their personal social media profiles overrun if they're open to the public. Similarly, there shouldn't be a ton of resources dedicated to forum stuff, if the community members are involved. NotASenator and RinceBrain were fine examples of devoted, independent workers. There should just be a sense of continuity and a direct line up the chain of command, so to speak. My last contact with him was when we heard of autoglassmasterclass' passing. I'm not sure if it's because of only exceptionally taking part in General Discussion, but I hadn't heard about this yet. Oh man, that's sorrowful news. I remember autoglassmasterclass as a member of the old forums. |
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Post by Wesley Foxx on Jun 2, 2016 21:05:00 GMT
I can likewise confirm that it's legit, communicated with us through the old forum's modchat skype group (Which I hadn't checked because it'd been completely inactive since the day after act 7 dropped) and that pretty much everything we know's been reiterated here.
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Post by Fish on Jun 3, 2016 18:15:38 GMT
PW, I don't think the forums should have community-based administration any more. Not because any of the modmins are untrustworthy, but because it's just plain kind of??? taking advantage of people to have them work on Official Homeswap Forums for free. And it being volunteer labor is the reason Rincebrain never really finished the old forum work, IIRC.
Re: auto: We did make a thread in General Discussion when we found out. Unfortunately it got buried pretty quick and it would have been kind of weird bumping an obituary. Looks like it wasn't saved on web archive.
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 3, 2016 18:22:04 GMT
It would be somewhat more acceptable if staff members were at least kept in the loop about what was going on, but the number of occasions in the past that large-scale forum changes or events have occurred without the staff getting any advance warning at all despite having to shoulder the blame has been a little disgusting.
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Post by phillip on Jun 3, 2016 20:26:34 GMT
It would be somewhat more acceptable if staff members were at least kept in the loop about what was going on, but the number of occasions in the past that large-scale forum changes or events have occurred without the staff getting any advance warning at all despite having to shoulder the blame has been a little disgusting. Yeah that's definitely something that I will be working on. Once these launch I don't foresee any significant changes or events. If they do happen, as long as I'm tasked with this I'll be sure to give ample prior notice. Just to get a better idea of what to avoid, do you have any specific examples of sudden, large changes in the past? |
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 3, 2016 21:36:36 GMT
Re: auto: We did make a thread in General Discussion when we found out. Unfortunately it got buried pretty quick and it would have been kind of weird bumping an obituary. Looks like it wasn't saved on web archive. I don't know, Necromancy on a Thread for the Dead seems oddly appropriate to me. |
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Post by plainWonder on Jun 3, 2016 21:37:31 GMT
I know some forum rearrangements were ill-received, like the removal of forum games, which lived on on an external forum.
But I know nothing about the timeline regarding when/if they were communicated to the modmins.
The Forapocalypse, on the other hand, regardless of cause, was a time in which downtime of the forums was handled in a comical, memorable manner that I think must've made it a little easier to handle. I don't think I was around back when it happened, though.
Another significant event that comes to mind was when Andrew unintentionally deleted an entire thread, apparently without there being a way for him to undelete it.
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Post by loading on Jun 3, 2016 22:39:29 GMT
Just to get a better idea of what to avoid, do you have any specific examples of sudden, large changes in the past? I'm pretty sure something big happened on 3/28/16, but don't quote me on it. |
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 3, 2016 23:00:41 GMT
It would be somewhat more acceptable if staff members were at least kept in the loop about what was going on, but the number of occasions in the past that large-scale forum changes or events have occurred without the staff getting any advance warning at all despite having to shoulder the blame has been a little disgusting. Yeah that's definitely something that I will be working on. Once these launch I don't foresee any significant changes or events. If they do happen, as long as I'm tasked with this I'll be sure to give ample prior notice. Just to get a better idea of what to avoid, do you have any specific examples of sudden, large changes in the past? The most contentious and obvious example would be the point where two popular and active subforums were archived, slating future removal, but none of the moderators of those areas were informed about this until the day it happened, nobody was polled in advance about whether this would even be a good idea in the first place, and the only explanation anyone higher up could give was "we were told to remove some subforums". A lot of other reasons were also given, which led to even more confusion because nobody ever received a straight answer (even now) as to why those sections had to go in the first place. One of those answers was "these areas are difficult to moderate", although that was apparently decided... without asking the people who moderate those sections. |
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Post by pasta on Jun 3, 2016 23:43:00 GMT
so just to double check, even if we did get the mspa forums back all of the stuff on it is most likely gone forever because it'll be a brand new fresh slate forum?
rest in pieces, all my old, unfinished fanadventures from 2013 that never left the cradle. you will be missed (somewhat)
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Post by sigh on Jun 4, 2016 3:35:39 GMT
From what I've seen the new forums will indeed be a clean slate but retrieval of the old ones is going to be another venture entirely, presumably looked into after the building of the new forums is completed.
Speaking of, do we have some sort of timeline for how long it's expected to take to build the new forums?
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Post by phillip on Jun 4, 2016 4:16:06 GMT
From what I've seen the new forums will indeed be a clean slate but retrieval of the old ones is going to be another venture entirely, presumably looked into after the building of the new forums is completed. Speaking of, do we have some sort of timeline for how long it's expected to take to build the new forums? That is correct. There is intentionally no ETA. I want to avoid time pressure so we can make sure the implementation is truly secure and robust before release. |
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Post by a52 (I forgot my actual pw) on Jun 4, 2016 6:35:53 GMT
oh my god, is this an official response?  I almost can't believe it! I don't know if I'll ever return. Our little community has gotten too fractured, and ive gotten too attached to eagletime and too bitter at WP to know if ill ever bother to come back. but thank you, thank you so much. fuck. |
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Post by BlackholeOU on Jun 4, 2016 19:02:11 GMT
Question: If the forums are being revitalized in their new incarnation, is there a chance that the Roleplay/Collab and Games forums could make a comeback? I personally was very sorry to see them go when that occurred, the reason given seemed to be "lack of moderators", although as I said at the time this could have been easily fixed by recruiting additional community moderators, as I'm sure many people would have been willing.
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Post by phillip on Jun 4, 2016 19:17:16 GMT
Question: If the forums are being revitalized in their new incarnation, is there a chance that the Roleplay/Collab and Games forums could make a comeback? I personally was very sorry to see them go when that occurred, the reason given seemed to be "lack of moderators", although as I said at the time this could have been easily fixed by recruiting additional community moderators, as I'm sure many people would have been willing. Comeback as in just have those sections/categories in place? I can't say for sure but I'll probably be able to just make such a category and get the necessary mods if there is enough demand. |
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