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Post by pnp on Jul 19, 2016 3:38:06 GMT
So assuming that there is some kind of gag order situation going on, who exactly would be the party ordering the gag? And why didn't they just [insert joke about ordering gags from Sassacre's old-timey gag factory]
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Post by wheals on Jul 19, 2016 16:38:36 GMT
The company Andrew runs, What Pumpkin. In general, it seems his/their preference is to disclose as little information as possible.
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Post by Wesley Foxx on Jul 20, 2016 6:14:45 GMT
There's a related, all-but-confirmed rumor regarding The Odd Gentlemen, who were originally supposed to make the Hiveswap game, putting them under an NDA as part of the undisclosed process that lead to them no longer developing the game and WhatPumpkin having to turn themselves into a video game production company to make it themselves.
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Post by obsidalicious on Jul 20, 2016 6:42:50 GMT
There's a related, all-but-confirmed rumor regarding The Fine Gentlemen, who were originally supposed to make the Hiveswap game, putting them under an NDA as part of the undisclosed process that lead to them no longer developing the game and WhatPumpkin having to turn themselves into a video game production company to make it themselves. Hopefully the two aren't related. I can't even imagine what sort of nonsense would have to go down in order for The Fine Gentlemen to both require and succeed at stopping What Pumpkin from talking about a failure of one of their own home-grown services. *cue stupid conspiracy theories followed by 'the plot thicken' memes* |
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Post by jacquerel on Jul 20, 2016 12:13:40 GMT
I still don't know why people keep bringing that up in this thread though honestly, because The Odd Gentlemen would have no connection with the forum.
It's an example of a gag order but nothing that would be related to the refurbishment of this message board.
Phillip certainly also can't talk about anything to do with Hiveswap that he might know through his connection to What Pumpkin (though again, I don't see that this would be very much, as they'd have no reason to tell him anything, unless he's going to be doing work related to it after this forum job) but that's just due to the usual NDA you would get for knowing things about unreleased software, and also has no connection to The Odd Gentlemen.
Any outside contractor who learned something about Hiveswap would have to sign an NDA, whether funds were misappropriated by a third party company or not. That's standard business practice.
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Post by sigh on Jul 20, 2016 18:54:22 GMT
That's what's so weird about this whole thing. As far as anyone in the public knows, the whole ordeal with The Odd Gentlemen is the only big thing that What Pumpkin and Andrew have had to deal with that might have impeded their progress in getting things going with their own business matters. So unless there's some other earth-shattering event that's rocked the WP crew that we just don't know about then all we have to go on is speculation that somehow the fiasco with TOG messed with what happened to the forums.
Also just as a sidenote, this whole thing has gotten so out of hand that I've legitimately dreamt last night that I happened to live down the road from the What Pumpkin HQ, and entered the building to pass along the message that Phillip was doing a great job at placating people but that the rest of them needed to make an official announcement at some point soon.
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Post by Sharkalien on Jul 20, 2016 19:02:06 GMT
I once had a dream where I used an electric razor to shave off Hussie's beard
It must've been a nightmare, because that's his best feature
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Post by jacquerel on Jul 20, 2016 20:28:49 GMT
That's what's so weird about this whole thing. As far as anyone in the public knows, the whole ordeal with The Odd Gentlemen is the only big thing that What Pumpkin and Andrew have had to deal with that might have impeded their progress in getting things going with their own business matters. So unless there's some other earth-shattering event that's rocked the WP crew that we just don't know about then all we have to go on is speculation that somehow the fiasco with TOG messed with what happened to the forums. Also just as a sidenote, this whole thing has gotten so out of hand that I've legitimately dreamt last night that I happened to live down the road from the What Pumpkin HQ, and entered the building to pass along the message that Phillip was doing a great job at placating people but that the rest of them needed to make an official announcement at some point soon. Why resort to conspiracy theory when it could just be what was holding them up literally every other time? Or, even if you want to be charitable... the fact that the comic was imminently ending? Seriously, there is no way anything with TOG could be connected to the forums. They never had any link to the forums. It's entirely unrelated. I don't think Hiveswap even had a subforum. |
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Post by Wesley Foxx on Jul 21, 2016 7:19:43 GMT
But, again, that is literally the only thing most people know of that would put this weird all-enveloping gag order on everything. They can't tell us why they can't tell us why they can't etc. All they can say is that they can't say anything.
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Post by jacquerel on Jul 21, 2016 17:44:40 GMT
The legal mess is related to talking about Hiveswap's financial details.
Phillip is also under an NDA for developing the forum, again because that is standard business practice.
I'm sure most of this is just people being unfamiliar with how corporations work and suddenly being exposed to it by WP's tragic ongoing lack of competent community dialogue, but there's nothing weird about this.
Nothing about the forum deal is connected to TOG.
Their not talking about the forums is because they didn't want to, and also don't want Phillip to.
This isn't a surprise because it's been how they acted every other time it broke as well. Including before the whole Hiveswap mess.
We can't ask them why because they don't talk, but it's not because a court has ordered them not to.
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Post by loading on Jul 21, 2016 17:50:08 GMT
You're PROBABLY right, be we don't even know that much.
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Post by jacquerel on Jul 21, 2016 17:51:03 GMT
It's not really a big deal it just annoys me (probably to an unreasonable degree) to watch people construct elaborate conspiracy webs out of something that... really just isn't very complicated  |
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Post by scarodactyl on Jul 21, 2016 18:02:31 GMT
jacquerel is exactly right. There wasn't any sort of NDA or even a contract for doing art for Homestuck, but WP is working like a real company now with a more normal development process. Any time you're working with a real studio you're going to sign an NDA. This is done for a few reasons, but the big thing is that you want the flow of information out of the company to be controlled in such a way as to best promote the product and the image of the company. You can certainly argue over whether the official decisions have been effective in this case or not, but regardless that's how things are done.
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Post by pnp on Jul 22, 2016 16:14:56 GMT
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Post by axolotlSushi on Jul 24, 2016 22:47:02 GMT
I once had a dream where I used an electric razor to shave off Hussie's beard It must've been a nightmare, because that's his best feature  // `beard` sure is a funny way of spelling Husslips *bad mental image involving an electric razor and husslips* |
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Post by legendary on Jul 25, 2016 18:46:59 GMT
So like, how on Earth is this forum thing taking this long?
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Post by Arashi500 on Jul 25, 2016 23:17:27 GMT
So like, how on Earth is this forum thing taking this long? I'd imagine it's barely 50% at this point. Creating a site from scratch rather than a template like freeforums takes time. Hopefully the wait will result in a more stable and secure site than we had previously. |
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Post by phillip on Jul 26, 2016 20:41:34 GMT
So actually, the mods and I have been finished with the actual site design for a good while now. To clarify, we're using established forum software rather than engineering a CMS from scratch because of time and security. The next step is getting site and server security really stable, which will take time and mostly won't be in our control. Right now, we can only continue once we receive information from a third party who has unfortunately been taking quite a while to get back to us. In the meantime we're responsibly holding sweet rave parties at What Pumpkin HQ.
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Post by Arashi500 on Jul 26, 2016 21:13:36 GMT
So actually, the mods and I have been finished with the actual site design for a good while now. To clarify, we're using established forum software rather than engineering a CMS from scratch because of time and security. The next step is getting site and server security really stable, which will take time and mostly won't be in our control. Right now, we can only continue once we receive information from a third party who has unfortunately been taking quite a while to get back to us. In the meantime we're responsibly holding sweet rave parties at What Pumpkin HQ. That's awesome news, phillip! Here's hoping the third party gets back to you guys soon. |
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Post by loading on Jul 26, 2016 21:40:22 GMT
So actually, the mods and I have been finished with the actual site design for a good while now. To clarify, we're using established forum software rather than engineering a CMS from scratch because of time and security. The next step is getting site and server security really stable, which will take time and mostly won't be in our control. Right now, we can only continue once we receive information from a third party who has unfortunately been taking quite a while to get back to us. In the meantime we're responsibly holding sweet rave parties at What Pumpkin HQ. I'm pretty sure you're not going to hear from the third rave party unless you finish the first two first. On a more serious note, thanks for the update, as always. |
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Post by MrCheeze on Jul 26, 2016 21:41:25 GMT
Uh oh... last time a third party took a long time to get back to What Pumpkin, that didn't end up working out too well.  |
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Post by thedude3445 on Jul 27, 2016 0:17:22 GMT
Uh oh... last time a third party took a long time to get back to What Pumpkin, that didn't end up working out too well. Don't ruin the moment  |
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Post by Stephen on Jul 27, 2016 2:29:09 GMT
Are you allowed to look into recovering old posts while you're waiting for the third party? Or is that completely access-denied until the new forum is running and public?
What Pumpkin seems oddly totalitarian and secretive these days. I've been away from the scene for years, and the change is stark and strange.
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Post by Arashi500 on Jul 27, 2016 2:59:36 GMT
Are you allowed to look into recovering old posts while you're waiting for the third party? Or is that completely access-denied until the new forum is running and public? What Pumpkin seems oddly totalitarian and secretive these days. I've been away from the scene for years, and the change is stark and strange. It's really not surprising, this is more or less standard procedure for most corporate entities, especially from a small company that has had a recent $million+ debacle. It's unfortunate for those of us on the outside, but it is what it is. |
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Post by jacquerel on Jul 27, 2016 4:01:40 GMT
They were pretty totalitarian and secretive before that too, it's not a recent change, though "for years" would probably account for it.
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