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Post by wheals on Apr 7, 2016 12:48:22 GMT
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Post by wheals on Apr 7, 2016 13:07:14 GMT
Now my review (sorry for the double post; didn't want to clutter the OP with personal stuff): - Top pick: definitely Heir of Grief. I don't remember how I originally heard of it, but anyway I was browsing around the musicians' Tumblrs when I ran across Tensei's. I listened to it again and it was just as good as I remembered. Anyway I spent the last week bitching about how perfect it would be for the flash, and how sad that it was released already so it couldn't be used. After a while I decided I should actually thank Tensei in some way, so I bought the Songs Unsung album. In the "note to artist" field, I mentioned how sad I was that it couldn't be used and expressed hope that he would have something in EOA6 or A7. Finally the day before EOA6, James Roach said that all four songs were thus-far unreleased, and all hopes of it being in there were crushed.
So you can just imagine my response when I reached 11:27 in the flash and heard those first chords . So even if this weren't the best (but I think it is), I still can't give it anything but first. - Creata comes in at second. I'm a sucker for this kind of instrumental leitmotif remix (Showtime, Aggrieve, Beatdown, AND Dissension!). Oh, and by the way: the full version will be 6 minutes longer!
- Eternity, Served Cold remained good, though it sounded much the same as the original version to me.
- I think I'm not as big a fan of Oppa Toby Style as some others. While it has good parts, some other ones just are too noisy for me. I wonder if Radiation wasn't trying too hard to get away from the Undertale style. It did work perfectly for me in the Flash itself; I just don't think I'll be listening to it on its own as often as the rest of the album.
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Post by scarodactyl on Apr 7, 2016 18:04:22 GMT
Heir of Grief is absolutely fantastic. I bought Tensei's album to get the other version as well. It is exactly the sort of new piece I was hoping to hear in this ('new' in terms of introducing a new set of musical themes to the comic, even if it's been available since 2014). The way it manages to sound so triumphant and so sad is a really perfect thematic fit.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 7, 2016 18:51:19 GMT
I want to hear the full version of Creata. Now.
Also Heir of Grief is one of the best songs to ever appear in the comic. It's an absolute masterpiece.
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Post by The One Guy on Apr 7, 2016 19:43:06 GMT
In contrast to popular opinion, I'm a bit disappointed in Collide's music: - Creata (Canon Edit) Was a good build up, but cuts off just before the payoff. And it doesn't really flow into Oppa Toby Style either. Maybe if we can get the full version it will turn out to be awesome.
- Oppa Toby Style is good fight background music, but doesn't really stand out on its own.
- Eternity, Served Cold is always good, of course, but it's not anything new, and it seems almost out of place without the first part of the song.
- Finally Heir of Grief, well, I can't rally place why, but the whole sound and atmosphere doesn't really appeal to me. It doesn't help that it doesn't even have a proper conclusion.
I guess if I had to say the biggest problem with the album/flash music, it's that there's no real sense of progression. Creata made for a good intro, but aside from that Eternity, Served Cold is done with unfitting context and the other two have just kind of a constant feel to them throughout. It's a bit monotonous, really.
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 7, 2016 19:54:12 GMT
I wanna hear the full version of Creata, what we heard was awesome but it ends right after a bunch of buildup to what's presumably gonna be the "good part". Also, I get it was kept in there because together the whole thing makes Collide, which is technically one "suite", but really for what purpose would anyone just listen to the last like 2 minutes of Eternity Served Cold by itself?
Heir of Grief is very good, although I don't like it as much as some people. Oppa Toby Style annoyed me at first but it's grown on me really quickly. It's just so hyper.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 7, 2016 19:57:52 GMT
My opinion: this is the first time in the history of Homestuck where I actually felt a detachment between the music and the images, which until now had instead seamlessly blended together.
Good music and good animation, yes. But together they gave out a "forced" vibe which has never been there before.
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 7, 2016 20:01:47 GMT
My opinion: this is the first time in the history of Homestuck where I actually felt a detachment between the music and the images, which until now had instead seamlessly blended together. Good music and good animation, yes. But together they gave out a "forced" vibe which has never been there before. Really? I didn't think it was any more forced than Cascade, which did the same thing of just stitching some preexisting music together and modifying some of it. I mean, actually Cascade had a lot more adjustments to the individual songs to get them all to feel cohesive, but still. I thought there was still a sense of cohesion, especially with OTS which was clearly custom-made to match to the fighting.
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Post by scarodactyl on Apr 7, 2016 20:06:54 GMT
but really for what purpose would anyone just listen to the last like 2 minutes of Eternity Served Cold by itself? I've done that several times before it was used in the flash. It is pretty much its own independent thing, and it fits nicely with Savior of the Waking World and Savior of the Dreaming Dead as a sort of conclusion to a musical trilogy. I do wish it were titled after that pattern, though.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 7, 2016 20:10:15 GMT
I mean, actually Cascade had a lot more adjustments to the individual songs to get them all to feel cohesive That, and how animation was much more thematically linked with music. Here, they seem to mostly go their own ways.
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Post by spadesnoir1234 on Apr 7, 2016 20:52:27 GMT
Atually, I think Heir of Grief fits perfectly with Jade distracting the demidogs. I think that part in particular is one of my favourites in all of the comic, mostly thanks to the music. It's just like... a motherfucking miracle, man.
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Post by pointycatears on Apr 8, 2016 7:47:42 GMT
Does anyone know if the full version of Creata will be on Volume 10? Or if there even will be a Volume 10? And if it will be released next Wednesday, or some time after the comic has finished?
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Post by pherociousDuodecim on Apr 8, 2016 13:31:29 GMT
Atually, I think Heir of Grief fits perfectly with Jade distracting the demidogs. I think that part in particular is one of my favourites in all of the comic, mostly thanks to the music. It's just like... a motherfucking miracle, man. Funny, it's legitimately my least favourite moment in the whole flash. It just goes on for so long and slow, which neutered the impact of the scene and the music. Which is a shame since Heir of Grief has always been marvellous. I'm certainly in the minority though. I can't wait for a full version of Creata either, should be sweet. As I said elsewhere, I don't think Oppa Toby Style is good outside the flash itself. Works very well with the manic strife style, but listening on its own is not that fun. I can never have enough good things to say about ESC. So glad it finally got all 8 glorious minutes featured. Oh, btw, here's the compendium of flash snogs if anyone wants to look at it again. I'm not sure it's linked anywhere else at the moment.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 8, 2016 13:43:57 GMT
I didn't like the Jade part either, it felt pretty silly and was undermined because Jade ended up failing. The part of the song that plays in it is pretty solid though, but the memory of the flash is more likely to make me feel bad about that part of the song than otherwise.
Oppa Toby Style is good, but not great, I think. I listened to it a couple times and was okay with it. But I don't feel the urge to do it over and over, like with Heir of Grief and Eternity Served Cold.
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Post by accipitrineOutlier on Apr 8, 2016 13:46:43 GMT
Flash snogs?! Where?!
I keep saying Toby's usually not my favorite musician and that OTS isn't that good... But I've listened to it at least five times in the car, so... yeah.
The thing I really like about it is that it's so compartmentalized and segmented that when I'm listening to it I can picture exactly what was going on in the video at that moment, and that's after only having seen it three times.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 8, 2016 14:11:57 GMT
I didn't like the Jade part either, it felt pretty silly and was undermined because Jade ended up failing. The part of the song that plays in it is pretty solid though, but the memory of the flash is more likely to make me feel bad about that part of the song than otherwise. I kind of liked that. I feel like its way past the point that Jade's Pollyanna out look should get some cracks in it, and this felt like it might help with that. The power of love doesn't fix everything. Plus it makes for a nice inversion of her role in Cascade, where she was a major player who did everything right. Also, I for one can listen to Toby's song outside the flash and still love it, but that's me.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 8, 2016 14:13:36 GMT
I would be fine with that if Jade hadn't been constantly shat at since the start of Act 6.
Now I think Hussie owes us a scene where Jade actually contributes with something.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 8, 2016 14:47:47 GMT
I would be fine with that if Jade hadn't been constantly shat at since the start of Act 6. Now I think Hussie owes us a scene where Jade actually contributes with something. The problem with Jade is she's either doing nothing or doing pretty much everything. If Hussie can do something more balanced going forward that'd be great.
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Post by karkat on Apr 8, 2016 21:28:51 GMT
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Post by soeroah on Apr 9, 2016 0:49:48 GMT
Looks like waiting until Homestuck to finish was the right choice for me! Take THAT exchange rate.
But... Homestuck's not quite over yet. Anyone know how long this sale's gonna last?
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 9, 2016 1:06:09 GMT
Buy now and listen later?
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Post by soeroah on Apr 9, 2016 1:11:42 GMT
Never bought anything from Bandcamp so am just uncertain if I have to download is as soon as I purchase or if it's an account thing where it'll remember I bought it.
I gotta reinstall my OS in a few minutes is all :/
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 9, 2016 1:39:18 GMT
Does this really need its own thread...?
Now that we're on a new forum with a clean slate I will abuse that power to sate my instinct to lump as many threads together as possible
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Post by scarodactyl on Apr 9, 2016 1:50:50 GMT
I think the most pressing question is whether this means anything with regards to the potential for an Album 10. Not that it would help much, we already have plenty of indicators pointing in both directions on that.
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Post by orngjce223 on Apr 9, 2016 2:08:40 GMT
For what it's worth, even if Volume 10 never comes from Whatpumpkin, at least some people I know from the music team will make their own Volume 10 with at least some of the songs that would've been on there.
See, they can still get remix rights from the original artists, and if they call it something like "Volume 10: Stuck Inside A Certain House", they can't even get thwapped for trademark.
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