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Post by dbnet18 on Feb 17, 2017 15:57:09 GMT
Here's an unpopular opinion :
Eridan is cool...
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Post by The One Guy on Feb 17, 2017 16:23:00 GMT
When Terezi started talking about needing Vriska just before [S] Terezi: Remem8er, I legitimately thought her attachment to Vriska was intended to be a character flaw, introduced out of nowhere, but intending to be something she's always struggled with (as many things that came up post-retcon were). Not good, but I figured it'd get addressed before the end and she'd learn to be her own self and not rely on others like her pre-retcon self did by the end. Then [S] Terezi: Remem8er came out "resolving" the issue in the complete wrong way. Everything else aside, Terezi's attachment issues didn't come out of nowhere, they have been in the comic since post-cascade. Hence her not being able to get over killing Vriska and her relationship with Gamzee. You could make an argument about whether or not this was purposeful from the start of it, but purposeful or not it was definitely there. Feeling guilty over killing someone is not the same as feeling incomplete without them, and, aside from said feelings of guilt acting as a catalyst for it, her relationship with Gamzee has nothing to do with her relationship with Vriska.
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Post by knightofvoid on Feb 17, 2017 20:26:15 GMT
Here's an unpopular opinion : Eridan is cool... Just out of curiosity, would you mind elaborating? I personally consider Eridan nothing beyond a joke/jab at "White Knights" and don't get why so many people love him (your opinion isn't exactly unpopular). I'm curious to hear from someone who likes Eridan why they like him.
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Post by ashercrane on Feb 17, 2017 22:30:25 GMT
Here's an unpopular opinion : Eridan is cool... Just out of curiosity, would you mind elaborating? I personally consider Eridan nothing beyond a joke/jab at "White Knights" and don't get why so many people love him (your opinion isn't exactly unpopular). I'm curious to hear from someone who likes Eridan why they like him. Especially since this is really not so unpopular as you might believe.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Feb 18, 2017 4:56:18 GMT
Everything else aside, Terezi's attachment issues didn't come out of nowhere, they have been in the comic since post-cascade. Hence her not being able to get over killing Vriska and her relationship with Gamzee. You could make an argument about whether or not this was purposeful from the start of it, but purposeful or not it was definitely there. Feeling guilty over killing someone is not the same as feeling incomplete without them, and, aside from said feelings of guilt acting as a catalyst for it, her relationship with Gamzee has nothing to do with her relationship with Vriska. You're talking about it like it can't be both. And I'm not so sure there's even actual guilt in there as it stood out because she'd never actually been shown to feel guilty before. Hell, she'd almost killed Vriska once before and showed far, far less trepidation about it beforehand than she did before she actually did it when she was talking about it with Dave. And her relationship with Gamzee was her wanting to be attached to somebody so badly that she did so even though she knew it was horrible for her.
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Post by obsidalicious on Feb 18, 2017 7:23:44 GMT
The way I saw it, Terezi's issue with killing Vriska was that she hates herself for shoehorning herself into the difficult choice in the first place and doesn't like that she, the wannabe lawyer and Hero of Mind couldn't think of a better solution to the problem. Additionally, Terezi realised that her emotional bond with Vriska compromised her principles since she kept putting up with Vriska's bullshit instead of unleashing her Justice shtick upon her and Vriska just kept getting worse and worse until she past the point of no return and Terezi had to resort to such drastic actions. That was kinda the whole point of her using her Legislacerator getup for the event.
And because she was perpetually down in the dumps over the issue, it was all too easy for Gamzee to black!Seduce her in the same way it'd be easy to red!Seduce someone high on aphrodisiacs.
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Post by princessfeffie on Apr 28, 2017 20:05:57 GMT
callieroxy is one of the best written relationships in homestuck, jade had a really good arc in act 6 and is a far more interesting a character than people think, the horrorterrors are friendly cuddlefish who did nothing wrong
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Post by sigh on Apr 28, 2017 23:22:44 GMT
The other two I'll give you, but mind expanding on the bit about Jade? Don't get me wrong, I love the girl about as much as anyone could, but as far as I can remember the poor girl gets the shaft in a major way after Act 5 when it comes to her characterization, either being asleep, goofing off with John and Davesprite, or crying about having lost John and Davesprite then essentially being alone for 2 years.
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Post by legendary on Apr 28, 2017 23:40:34 GMT
There is some evidence that evil Jade is as Jade as an evil Jade can be, at least. Evil Jade is a hoot.
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Post by carcinodesFecit on Apr 29, 2017 11:27:39 GMT
I like Karkat and Terezi better then Dave and Karkat. Id rather have Dave and Jade instead of Jade having no Bae.
Does these count?
Cause I kinda dunno...
I feel like people will hate me because of this but Shrug.
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Post by princessfeffie on Apr 29, 2017 11:51:53 GMT
sigh sure! c: JADE: no... JADE: impossible! JADE: how can the power of hope be so...
JADE: POWERFUL?? JADE: rrrg
JADE: no
JADE: NO!!!
JADE: HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME?! JADE: dont you realize who youre DEALING with?
JADE: i am GRIMBARK JADE dammit! JADE: I AM THE MOST POWERFUL DOGGY GIRL JADE: WHO HAS EVER EXISTED JADE: IN THE HISTORY OF PARADOX SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!legendary is right, grimbark jade can be a key to understanding jade's character quite a bit! like jane, under condy's control she showed the darker side of herself n her thoughts - specifically, we see her perfectionism and how hard she can be on herself, just like we did far earlier with her issues with jadesprite! having grown up alone for so much of her life, a lot of her self worth is based on how self-reliant she can be, and how reliable she can be to others too - when she can't live up to this, she's really really hard on herself! self-restriction like this is a theme for space players in homestuck, like calliope's struggles with feeling bound by the norms of what a cherub 'should' be, or kanaya feeling like all she can do is orbit her more dangerous friends - and so is overcoming it! this is why jade's arc in a6a6 is important, because after having seen the worst of this struggle - both grimbark and caught up in her most unhealthy thoughts, and lonely on the ship isolated from her friends - a6a6's themes of self-definition and characters breaking free from roles they've been forced into (calliope learning to live and embracing human friendship and love, roxy no longer accepting defeat after game over, dave freeing himself from the toxic masculinity bro's upbringing instilled, terezi breaking out of her abusive relationship with gamzee and rewriting the alpha timeline to save her friends) come into play for her! JADE: thats it???
JADE: but i want to help them all with the fight!
JADE: it sounds dangerous....
JADE: and i have all these powers!
JADE: really GOOD powers
JADE: maybe even... the BEST powers? while alt!calliope talks about the struggles of a space player, we see jade feeling trapped in them, restricting herself to a role she didn't choose and feeling lonely and depressed. there's a lot that can be said about jade and femininity here too - and imo struggling with femininity is a key part in the arcs of all the witches, just like struggling with masculinity is for knights - she's taking a submissive role and restricting herself and her power for the sake of pleasing others, and clearly this isn't healthy for her: which makes it even more interesting and important when davepeta, a nonbinary character and a symbol of freedom, self-acceptance and choice, comes to her here! JADE: im asleep
JADE: i want to go join our friends and help out
JADE: but im not supposed to wake up :\
DAVEPETASPRITE^2: B33 < why not
JADE: i dunno
JADE: im just not!
JADE: calliope said i was too strong or something
JADE: but she also said i should have "fun" so
JADE: i dunno
JADE: i guess im just waiting around for the right moment
DAVEPETASPRITE^2: B33 < nah thats dumb
DAVEPETASPRITE^2: B33 < you should be able to do whatever you want
JADE: really?
DAVEPETASPRITE^2: B33 < well at least she was right about the having fun part
DAVEPETASPRITE^2: B33 < maybe thats what she meant??
DAVEPETASPRITE^2: B33 < maybe she was leaving it up to you in a mysterious way davepeta's log with jade embodies the themes of a6a6 perfectly, telling jade what matters most is not a role the narrative has chosen for her, but her own choices and being herself - and with this, jade wakes up, surrounded by her friends with the mayor, calliope, and a note from dave to greet her, and goes to fight on her own terms! in collide, this role she's chosen proves crucial, allowing her to pacify bec noir long enough that pm can finally win the fight - and this is a perfect conclusion of her godtier role too! from the start jade's been the kid most enthusiastic about sburb, making it literally the narrative space she surrounds herself with, and as a witch, finally breaking out of her own perfectionism and restriction, she literally changes the rules of her aspect: since pm and bec noir are the last survivors besides the mayor of the beta kids' session's battle for skaia, she allows prospit to finally win the battle when derse is meant to have victory every time. jade's is just a really neat and well written arc to me even if it's easy not to notice on first readthrough! in act 6 jade breaks through the barriers that have held her back and makes a positive difference through her own choices, rather than being hard on herself for failings and forcing herself into a role she may not want, and it's a lovely conclusion to all the issues like jadesprite we've seen jade have before!
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Post by princessfeffie on Apr 29, 2017 11:54:35 GMT
carcinodesFecit how about jade and davepeta? dave or karkat aren't the only romantic options for her and i think their relationship is a really nice finish to her arc c:
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Post by carcinodesFecit on Apr 29, 2017 12:17:27 GMT
carcinodesFecit how about jade and davepeta? dave or karkat aren't the only romantic options for her and i think their relationship is a really nice finish to her arc c: Just cause... Anyways it's just my opinion. Shrug? No reason for an opinion is common for me. Doesn't make sense but I guess that'w how I am?
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Post by princessfeffie on Apr 29, 2017 12:20:08 GMT
haha, thats fine c:
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 29, 2017 13:12:34 GMT
carcinodesFecit how about jade and davepeta? dave or karkat aren't the only romantic options for her and i think their relationship is a really nice finish to her arc c: Jesus Christ man, let people have their shipping preferences even if they know they aren't canon. I don't go around bashing people with preferences I don't like unless they're being really annoying about it.
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Post by princessfeffie on Apr 29, 2017 13:15:42 GMT
i just suggested it to them bc they thought davekat left jade without anyone! no need to be rude ^u^
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Post by carcinodesFecit on Apr 29, 2017 13:21:54 GMT
Another Unpopular Opinion.
I think the consorts are alot smarter than they portray themselves as.
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Post by TrickleJest on Apr 30, 2017 23:02:17 GMT
I really, really, really, REALLY dislike Act 8. I can't pinpoint why exactly I dislike it that much, whether it be the sudden change of character design simply due to head canons, Act OMEGA's obvious superiority (which shouldn't really play a part in deciding whether Act 8 is good or not) or its absolute fails at creating lachrymose and touching scenes, at least in my opinion, but I think it's mostly because of the amount of "BLAH BLAH BLAH" and "oh, I'm a teen and I have teen angst" akin to several young adult novels pandering to teens.
Now, I know it's not pandering to teens in any way and neither is it made by bad people. The creators are incredibly talented and I was honestly partially saddened to see the project fall apart, yet something about it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by axolotlSushi on May 1, 2017 3:08:37 GMT
I have a STRONG dislike for Equius, and I don't quite know why. (Strong isn't the right word, he's a good character, I just had to make the joke.) What's even more ironic in a sense, is that Dirk is one of my favourite characters.
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Post by mistertorchwick on May 14, 2017 4:46:42 GMT
Alright, we want unpopular opinions? I have Homestuck HERESY right here.
Karkat is the only troll I feel any kind of genuine affection for. All the others are horrible, except probably Kanaya, who's mostly just boring until she becomes a hip piece to Rose. Vriska is also an outright evil person and the fact that she was abused by her mother does NOT excuse her from being an abusive, manipulative bitch.
I'll go hide in my bomb shelter, now.
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Post by ashercrane on May 14, 2017 15:31:23 GMT
Alright, we want unpopular opinions? I have Homestuck HERESY right here. Karkat is the only troll I feel any kind of genuine affection for. All the others are horrible, except probably Kanaya, who's mostly just boring until she becomes a hip piece to Rose. Vriska is also an outright evil person and the fact that she was abused by her mother does NOT excuse her from being an abusive, manipulative bitch. I'll go hide in my bomb shelter, now. Thinking Vriska is terrible is not an exceptionally unique opinion. Thinking all but 2 trolls are horrible might be, though.
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Post by mistertorchwick on May 14, 2017 16:47:21 GMT
Alright, we want unpopular opinions? I have Homestuck HERESY right here. Karkat is the only troll I feel any kind of genuine affection for. All the others are horrible, except probably Kanaya, who's mostly just boring until she becomes a hip piece to Rose. Vriska is also an outright evil person and the fact that she was abused by her mother does NOT excuse her from being an abusive, manipulative bitch. I'll go hide in my bomb shelter, now. Thinking Vriska is terrible is not an exceptionally unique opinion. Thinking all but 2 trolls are horrible might be, though. Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone. Now that I think about it, a lot of my distaste comes from the fact that I didn't like the composition of act 4. The story I was invested in got put on hold in favor of starting all the over with twelve jerks I neither knew nor cared about. Sollux isn't that bad, and neither is Fef. Again, though, they don't get a lot of screen time. As for Vriska, I am genuinely relieved to hear not everyone excuses her because she was abused.
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Post by sigh on May 14, 2017 22:57:34 GMT
Keep in mind there's a lot of people that like Vriska specifically BECAUSE of her bad behavior, not because they emulate that kind of thing but because antiheroes are fairly popular in certain circles.
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Post by heyitskane on May 15, 2017 20:42:28 GMT
I personally think the homestuck ending wasn't that terrible. It certainly wasn't bad enough to warrant the reaction that it did.
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Post by thedude3445 on May 16, 2017 10:42:03 GMT
Here's an unpopular opinion : Eridan is cool... If you mean cool as in, you'd hang out with him, then yeah that's pretty unpopular, but my probably-unpopular-but-it's-because-I'm-a-writer opinion is that Eridan was one of the best-written villain characters in the comic. He had an arc that developed gradually as a side character, going very steadily with realistic reasons into how he finally snapped and turned into a villain. But then he was offed almost immediately afterwards and never got the thematic comeuppance he deserved, which I thought was the worst-handled troll decision second-only to Equius's cut-short arc (only talking about pre-Hussie-giving-up stuff).
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