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Post by Arashi500 on Jun 19, 2016 2:54:24 GMT
"Gilbert Gottfried but female" hahaha holy shit, if that isn't a perfect description of Terezi's voice, I don't know what is On that note, I've always thought of Karkat as a sort of less flamboyant, more gravel-y Danny DeVito. On topic: I always thought the walkarounds needed to be split into several parts (or atleast have a save/load function) due to their length. |
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Post by quixoticTokki on Jun 19, 2016 4:03:59 GMT
Oh boy, well since it's been brought up now I gotta post my headcanon voice list as well. Here we go... (warning: this is literally like every character) John: I'm not sure how to describe how I used to picture his voice, but now I can only hear the CollabHQ VA's which I like so I'm fine with it.
Dave: I generally like most fan VA's for him. I also really liked his CollabHQ voice. Although I read once that the VA pitched his voice for Dave? IDK but I liked it.
Rose: Mix between Raven from Teen Titans, and Mandy from Billy & Mandy.
Jade: Hilary Duff, but like higher and more nasally.
Jake: Daniel Radcliffe. Cheery and British. Yeah.
Jane: I have no idea how to describe her voice, bc I picture it as the voice of a girl I went to high school with...so.
Roxy: Emma Stone. This is the only Roxy voice I can ever imagine, nothing else will ever come close in my book.
Dirk: TJ Thyne. Why? Idk it seemed like a good fit.
Karkat: BJ Novak, like I said before. Not too high, not too deep, just the right amount of attitude.
Aradia: Blake Lively. Soft, but a little low and rough.
Tavros: Beast Boy from Teen Titans...perfect.
Sollux: Most fan VAs get this pretty well, as long as they include the lii2p.
Nepeta: Something high, cute, and annoying. I never pegged her as anyone specific.
Kanaya: Again, a character who has the voice of one of my friends. Light and not monotone at all. Generally very different from most fan VAs.
Terezi: There was one VA who did a perfect Terezi in my mind, but I can't find the tumblr post where she did it. Oh well.
Vriska: Most people also get this pretty well. However, I can't unhear the CollabHQ version now.
Equius: I used to picture him as having a deep "dude" voice, but he's another one who the CollabHQ voice stuck with me.
Gamzee: Idk who it was that popularized the typical "Gamzee voice." Octopimp? Someone else? Idk but you know what I'm talking about.
Eridan: Octopimp. Always.
Feferi: Amanda Bynes.
Kankri: Eric Millegan. He played Zack on Bones, and just has a voice that sounds like it will go on and on about things you don't care about.
Damara: No idea, sadly. I usually just picture a stereotypical anime character voice since she only ever speaks in Japanese...
Rufioh: Who else but Dante Basco?
Mituna: Yeah...idk. I can kind of hear it but describing it...
Meulin: Mila Kunis.
Porrim: Laura Prepon. I wanted her to have a deep voice.
Latula: Whoever does that GameGrl song lol.
Aranea: Michaela Conlin...clearly I had been watching a lot of Bones when I thought of these lol.
Horuss: No one in particular. Just a breathy, creepy, sort of deepish voice? I hear it perfectly in my head...eugh.
Kurloz: n/a
Cronus: I very recently decided on Danny Masterson. Mostly because I couldn't think of anyone better, lol.
Meenah: Anjelah Johnson. Yes.
Calliope: Emma Watson.
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 19, 2016 11:02:09 GMT
I have to admit, there is something sort of... liberating? In the fact that even the opinions I don't agree with I don't mind at all. Somehow, being in this place, it becomes much easier to accept that they're just opinions I disagree with, that I don't need to and shouldn't acknowledge and try to argue them, and most everyone else feels the same way about the opinions they disagree with that I like. Very zen. That may have something to do with what vaiyt was saying about people, perhaps subconsciously, actually posting opinions that are relatively agreeable so as to avoid getting into arguments, or making themselves look like a weirdo. I never really thought about it before, but I agree. The fight isn't so much abusive lover vs. abused lover as it is public menace vs. vigilante. It could certainly be argued that the relationship exacerbated her belief that he was such a piece of shit and thus may have contributed to her decision to go after him so fiercely. But in the fight itself, I doubt either were thinking anything about their relationship other than "It's over". Between his Beserker Breakdown, and Araena's Mind Control, I don't think Gamzee was thinking very much of anything at all. The only thing Gamzee did that actually seemed to be his own decision was to plead Terezi to stop. Unpopular Opinion: I don't like Calliope in any way. She seemed to me to be one of the most boring characters there were. I was never emotionally invested in her or her death. All the time others spent rescuing her felt like a time waste to me. Caliborn's relationship with her was so one dimensional and irrelevant. And unless the Epilogue sheds some light, no form of Calliope really contributed to the story in any way. All things considered, I think that if all that Cherub biological duality shit was thrown away and the Cherub Kid was just Caliborn by himself, the story would be barely any different except for being much neater and concise. |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 19, 2016 11:55:43 GMT
Unpopular Opinion: I don't like Calliope in any way. She seemed to me to be one of the most boring characters there were. I was never emotionally invested in her or her death. All the time others spent rescuing her felt like a time waste to me. Caliborn's relationship with her was so one dimensional and irrelevant. And unless the Epilogue sheds some light, no form of Calliope really contributed to the story in any way. All things considered, I think that if all that Cherub biological duality shit was thrown away and the Cherub Kid was just Caliborn by himself, the story would be barely any different except for being much neater and concise. I liked her (I can relate to her more than a little) but it's made painfully obvious when observing her and Tavros that Hussie kind of doesn't know how to write characters with self-esteem or self worth issues. |
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Post by whitehelm on Jun 19, 2016 15:22:05 GMT
The ending wasn't terrible.
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 19, 2016 15:31:05 GMT
Unpopular Opinion: I don't like Calliope in any way. She seemed to me to be one of the most boring characters there were. I was never emotionally invested in her or her death. All the time others spent rescuing her felt like a time waste to me. Caliborn's relationship with her was so one dimensional and irrelevant. And unless the Epilogue sheds some light, no form of Calliope really contributed to the story in any way. All things considered, I think that if all that Cherub biological duality shit was thrown away and the Cherub Kid was just Caliborn by himself, the story would be barely any different except for being much neater and concise. I liked her (I can relate to her more than a little) but it's made painfully obvious when observing her and Tavros that Hussie kind of doesn't know how to write characters with self-esteem or self worth issues. Nepeta wasn't amazingly-written when dealing with her self-esteem issues, but Karkat was, so I think the problem for Calliope was that her character was essentially doomed from the start, and she had to die very early on for the plot to progress, so she couldn't have a very interesting arc. Then I guess since she became a fan-favorite Hussie decided to bring her back, but that's a different story and probably not an unpopular opinion. Unpopular opinion: Wayward Vagabond should have stayed dead. His death was an absolute gut-punch (oops, didn't mean to make that pun) when it happened, and it was probably one of the saddest moments in the entire comic. Then he came back, which everyone loved at first but.... after he got brought back he did literally nothing anyway. I mean I love the guy but his story arc was over. |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 19, 2016 19:07:55 GMT
I liked her (I can relate to her more than a little) but it's made painfully obvious when observing her and Tavros that Hussie kind of doesn't know how to write characters with self-esteem or self worth issues. Nepeta wasn't amazingly-written when dealing with her self-esteem issues, but Karkat was, so I think the problem for Calliope was that her character was essentially doomed from the start, and she had to die very early on for the plot to progress, so she couldn't have a very interesting arc. Then I guess since she became a fan-favorite Hussie decided to bring her back, but that's a different story and probably not an unpopular opinion. Let me amend that just a little. He has trouble writing that issue in a straightforward manner. Karkat covered up his issues with angry bullshit, but Tavros, (even taking into account his foray into fake self-esteem) Nepeta and Calliope were far more aware of their issues and were not handled as well. |
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Post by Sharkalien on Jun 20, 2016 3:42:16 GMT
The newer music has been kinda 'meh' compared to the first albums
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Post by spacedwarfindustries on Jun 20, 2016 8:52:00 GMT
The newer music has been kinda 'meh' compared to the first albums I found that while the newer music is often way cooler than the first albums, they just don't have that instant-classic feel of stuff like Beatdown (strider style) and Explore |
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Post by Gab on Jun 20, 2016 15:53:10 GMT
On that note, this is as good a place as any to say... I'm not really that fond of Volume 10 at all. Except for Creata, it's almost all a bunch of remixes of earlier songs that didn't really need remixing, and honestly they're kind of inferior, despite the objective increase in production quality. But I did see someone interpret it as like looking back on those songs as a sendoff to the history of Homestuck music, or something like that? When I saw it, it gave me reason to see why the Volume was what it was, and I made peace with it, even if I still didn't really find it all that great.
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Post by quixoticTokki on Jun 20, 2016 16:40:50 GMT
Yeah I would have liked to see more new songs for Vol 10 as well, but I enjoyed it for what it was.
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Post by SpottedBlades on Jun 20, 2016 17:47:37 GMT
I don't like Dave. He's all "hey sup bro sup yo cool stuff irony bro dude sup". Pulls off too much of an attitude.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 20, 2016 18:11:13 GMT
I don't like Dave. He's all "hey sup bro sup yo cool stuff irony bro dude sup". Pulls off too much of an attitude. It took me a long time to warm up to Dave. It was only around Act 5 and beyond (when his inner dork and his actual caring about other people started showing through) that I started liking him. To be honest, up until then I wasn't sure whether Dave was being ironic or whether he was being played straight, because there seemed to be a lot of humor derived from Dave not getting that no, his brother was not being ironic with all his puppet shit, he was just weird. Which made it seem like Dave himself didn't understand irony as well as he thought, which could be construed as him then, because of this, not actually being ironic and kind of just being an insufferable prick for real because he didn't actually get irony. But even without that I still can't relate to Dave very much. |
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 20, 2016 21:59:10 GMT
During early Homestuck I liked Dave's mannerisms, rather than Dave himself. I guess that was actually the point of Dave's character, but for me it meant that, when real!Dave started coming through, part of me was like "Who's this guy again?" Since the facades and all that aren't really part of his character, it was, in a sense, kind of like we were meeting a whole new character, introduced late into the story, whose entire purpose was to complain about their own character.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 20, 2016 22:29:55 GMT
During early Homestuck I liked Dave's mannerisms, rather than Dave himself. I guess that was actually the point of Dave's character, but for me it meant that, when real!Dave started coming through, part of me was like "Who's this guy again?" Since the facades and all that aren't really part of his character, it was, in a sense, kind of like we were meeting a whole new character, introduced late into the story, whose entire purpose was to complain about their own character. I never felt like they were two different characters, but making the transition from 'bundle of traits' to 'actual character' is definitely something the comic does not do very well at all. Partly this is the fault of the structure of the story itself because what it would do was let us hang out with a character for a bit, leave, and then when we came back they would've changed a lot. Almost completely. It's jarring and it makes character development less smooth and natural than it should be. |
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Post by thezcmme on Jun 21, 2016 2:22:46 GMT
Despite all of the animation errors in Collide, I honestly think it's a well done flash and I always enjoy watching it.
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 21, 2016 5:34:32 GMT
During early Homestuck I liked Dave's mannerisms, rather than Dave himself. I guess that was actually the point of Dave's character, but for me it meant that, when real!Dave started coming through, part of me was like "Who's this guy again?" Since the facades and all that aren't really part of his character, it was, in a sense, kind of like we were meeting a whole new character, introduced late into the story, whose entire purpose was to complain about their own character. The entire cast's Act 6 Flaws were basically created to keep everyone's character arcs from progressing past where they were at Cascade. Karkat's regression is absolutely the worst offender, but Dave's was a close second. All of his insecurities and flaws that were addressed in Act 5-2 were based on him not living up to his brother, not feeling like a hero, that kind of deal. Later on, though, came all the facade stuff that felt really tacked on, which was part of the whole "they are real people not characters" deal that I really thought was dumb. But that's a popular opinion. Unpopular opinion: Hussie's self-inserts stopped being that funny after he kissed Rufio. The SBAHJ one was out-of-place, the Yellow Yard Doc Scratch stuff was interesting but didn't really affect the plot much, and everything in Act 6 went way too meta for me to handle, where Hussie saved Spades Slick from death, then got killed, then became a ghost in his own comic. It was weird the more he became involved with his own characters. |
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 21, 2016 5:55:10 GMT
Unpopular opinion: Hussie's self-inserts stopped being that funny after he kissed Rufio. The SBAHJ one was out-of-place, the Yellow Yard Doc Scratch stuff was interesting but didn't really affect the plot much, and everything in Act 6 went way too meta for me to handle, where Hussie saved Spades Slick from death, then got killed, then became a ghost in his own comic. It was weird the more he became involved with his own characters. Keep in mind that Caliborn is supposedly a representaion of the shittier, more critical side of the Fandom, and Lord English went and killed Hussie, so perhaps Hussie believed that this wasn't such an unpopular opinion and this was his way of addressing that concern Related to this though: During the SBaHJ bit where he talked about the Yellow Yard, he said he was addressing people's qualms about his involvement in the story. I wasn't there at the time so I want to know if there actually was a large amount of people very much against Hussie's character getting involved, or whether it was just a rather clumsy way for Hussie to bring up the Yellow yard Mystery. Unpopular Opinion: All the Troll Romance stuff kinda fell flat on its face in that in the late Comic Hussie tried too hard to make it meaningful to the human characters and human audience when the inital premise was that humans couldn't understand it. If it had been one or the other, I'd have been fine, but I feel like there's a huge disparity between what the Quadrants as they were introduced to us(i.e. bizzare practices that require a totally different biology to be meaningful), and how they were explained to us later(i.e. Blackrom is basically just when you're conflicted about a person's Pros and Cons). It's almost as if Hussie saw the various internet weirdos trying to implement Troll Romance in their actual lives and reflected their borked interpretations back into the canon. |
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 21, 2016 6:02:50 GMT
Keep in mind that Caliborn is supposedly a representaion of the shittier, more critical side of the Fandom, and Lord English went and killed Hussie, so perhaps Hussie believed that this wasn't such an unpopular opinion and this was his way of addressing that concern Related to this though: During the SBaHJ bit where he talked about the Yellow Yard, he said he was addressing people's qualms about his involvement in the story. I wasn't there at the time so I want to know if there actually was a large amount of people very much against Hussie's character getting involved, or whether it was just a rather clumsy way for Hussie to bring up the Yellow yard Mystery. Unpopular Opinion: All the Troll Romance stuff kinda fell flat on its face in that in the late Comic Hussie tried too hard to make it meaningful to the human characters and human audience when the inital premise was that humans couldn't understand it. If it had been one or the other, I'd have been fine, but I feel like there's a huge disparity between what the Quadrants as they were introduced to us(i.e. bizzare practices that require a totally different biology to be meaningful), and how they were explained to us later(i.e. Blackrom is basically just when you're conflicted about a person's Pros and Cons). It's almost as if Hussie saw the various internet weirdos trying to implement Troll Romance in their actual lives and reflected their borked interpretations back into the canon. Maybe; I think by the time he killed his own character off it was more for a Death of the Author joke than meta-criticism. The Yellow Yard SBAHJ part was SUPPOSED to address concerns about his involvement, but then he went and lied his ass off since he got way more involved in the end anyway lol. Not like it affected my enjoyment of the comic, though. Also, I don't think the Late Comic Troll-Romance stuff is actually an unpopular opinion. I've never personally seen any John  Terezi fanart, and I think most people were confused by that more than anything. Blackrom just... isn't a human thing. It doesn't make sense. We will obviously see lots of troll romance shenanigans in Hiveswap, but I really hope it follows the pre-flanderized (if concepts can be flanderized) versions. |
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Post by Sharkalien on Jun 21, 2016 6:56:19 GMT
I couldn't care less about the alpha trolls
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 21, 2016 9:38:20 GMT
Unpopular Opinion: All the Troll Romance stuff kinda fell flat on its face in that in the late Comic Hussie tried too hard to make it meaningful to the human characters and human audience when the inital premise was that humans couldn't understand it. If it had been one or the other, I'd have been fine, but I feel like there's a huge disparity between what the Quadrants as they were introduced to us(i.e. bizzare practices that require a totally different biology to be meaningful), and how they were explained to us later(i.e. Blackrom is basically just when you're conflicted about a person's Pros and Cons). It's almost as if Hussie saw the various internet weirdos trying to implement Troll Romance in their actual lives and reflected their borked interpretations back into the canon. I never bought that troll romance was a strictly biological thing. The quadrants dovetail nicely with the weird emotional and physical suppression and regulation of Alternian society, so I always figured it was cultural before it was anything else. That said I don't like TerezixJohn just because it was a (potential?) ship introduced at just about the last second. I mean I don't really mind it but I don't care for it. |
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 21, 2016 9:46:49 GMT
I never bought that troll romance was a strictly biological thing. The quadrants dovetail nicely with the weird emotional and physical suppression and regulation of Alternian society, so I always figured it was cultural before it was anything else. That said I don't like TerezixJohn just because it was a (potential?) ship introduced at just about the last second. I mean I don't really mind it but I don't care for it. By all indications, the very different Beforus society also has the same set of romances, indicating that biology is a major, if not sole factor in its origin. Not to mention that the Carapacians also dabble in Blackrom despite it not having much effect on their very brief, and simple existence, which suggests that it is fully possible to be a natural, biological function of organic lifeforms. |
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Post by imglasses on Jun 21, 2016 13:24:45 GMT
I never bought that troll romance was a strictly biological thing. The quadrants dovetail nicely with the weird emotional and physical suppression and regulation of Alternian society, so I always figured it was cultural before it was anything else. That said I don't like TerezixJohn just because it was a (potential?) ship introduced at just about the last second. I mean I don't really mind it but I don't care for it. By all indications, the very different Beforus society also has the same set of romances, indicating that biology is a major, if not sole factor in its origin. Not to mention that the Carapacians also dabble in Blackrom despite it not having much effect on their very brief, and simple existence, which suggests that it is fully possible to be a natural, biological function of organic lifeforms. Was it ever indicated that Beforus trolls had blackrom romance? We heard about a lot of romances between the pre-scratch trolls, but IIRC every one of them was a matespritship or a moirallegiance. |
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Post by The One Guy on Jun 21, 2016 14:33:14 GMT
Getting a bit off topic, but my headcanon is that Carapacian relationship capabilities mirrors the race that is playing the session, thus the Slick Snowman is a thing, but the kid's Jack just hated the black queen normally. |
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Post by Gab on Jun 21, 2016 14:34:11 GMT
I think occam's razor suggests Beforus had a lot of the same customs Alternia did. Though in that more violence and anger driven society, moiraillegance and auspisticeship (frick I forget the word) are described to help even out trolls psychologically and prevent black relationships from piling up, which seems like it would be, if anything, the reverse case in the seemingly idealistic world of Beforus, which would explain the apparent lack of kismesissitudes.
possibly unpopular opinion??: all this stuff is really fascinating and fun to talk about. It really was a stroke of genius or possibly just luck that the comic spawned all this, and I can really see why one would make a whole game around it. Troll customs, life, and all of that, not just the romantic aspects, though that is a factor.
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Terezi fanart, and I think most people were confused by that more than anything. Blackrom just... isn't a human thing. It doesn't make sense.
