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Post by thedude3445 on Jan 3, 2017 23:48:20 GMT
So like, what new fronts have there been in Homestuck 2.0 anyway? The Snapchat account doesn't really count as expanded content since it's an actual epilogue to the story, and Hiveswap seems to be its own thing. Paradox Space is still dead and the Homestuck Youtube channel still never released anything. Is there something I missed? I don't think there's really been anything new after that one video of Dante Basco and John talking about it (which is now deleted). Presumably most of WP's creative efforts are currently going towards Hiveswap, the snapdates, and the mysterious SBaHJ project Hussie's been hinting at. If Homestuck 2.0 is still going to be a thing, I'm not especially expecting it until some of the other stuff is out of the way. That makes me really sad except that it's pretty much in line with all the other What Pumpkin efforts over the past five years or so...
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 4, 2017 6:07:19 GMT
I don't think there's really been anything new after that one video of Dante Basco and John talking about it (which is now deleted). Presumably most of WP's creative efforts are currently going towards Hiveswap, the snapdates, and the mysterious SBaHJ project Hussie's been hinting at. If Homestuck 2.0 is still going to be a thing, I'm not especially expecting it until some of the other stuff is out of the way. That makes me really sad except that it's pretty much in line with all the other What Pumpkin efforts over the past five years or so... They did say in the video that Dante let it slip WAY too early, if memory serves. Like, nobody was supposed to hear about it.
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Post by Gab on Jan 5, 2017 6:11:31 GMT
Yeah, really I think it was pretty tenuous to refer to it as a 'thing' at all. From their description of it, it sounded like a pretty vague title for a wave of projects that basically were just in conception at the time, with virtually nothing on the ground. They tried to get something off the ground with the video, while tempering fan impatience perhaps, but it seems like that didn't go anywhere.
In that case, whatever "Homestuck 2.0" is meant to entail won't see the light of day for a pretty long time I'm thinking, if ever, and there's really no need to make such a huge fuss about it.
Which I guess then makes this the "generic homestuck adaptation, or homestuck meta, or whatever really is convenient to talk about at the time" topic.
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 5, 2017 19:35:45 GMT
Yeah, really I think it was pretty tenuous to refer to it as a 'thing' at all. From their description of it, it sounded like a pretty vague title for a wave of projects that basically were just in conception at the time, with virtually nothing on the ground. They tried to get something off the ground with the video, while tempering fan impatience perhaps, but it seems like that didn't go anywhere. In that case, whatever "Homestuck 2.0" is meant to entail won't see the light of day for a pretty long time I'm thinking, if ever, and there's really no need to make such a huge fuss about it. Which I guess then makes this the "generic homestuck adaptation, or homestuck meta, or whatever really is convenient to talk about at the time" topic. Perhaps the "potential future Homestuck-related projects discussion, with the vague knowledge that there will eventually be some, probably" topic would be a better description. Anyway, how likely does some sort of adaptation seem to everyone?
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Post by Gab on Jan 5, 2017 22:54:16 GMT
I'm with you, I think it's very unlikely. It's certainly in no 'need' of adaptation. Discussing the merits of one is an interesting topic to me, but mostly because when the subject comes of what to put on the chopping block, very little can actually be sacrificed without compromising something important, I feel. Homestuck likes to curtail the image that it wastes lots of time with meaningless blither, and people seem to believe that, but almost every page, every scene of the story serves a purpose and builds the story. The stuff that happens later on couldn't happen without developing like a katamari on everything that came before it. Conversely, trying to restructure the whole story is a lot trickier than one would think.
Spinoffs and side stories that build off the world and potentially the characters seem the way to go. And ideally, a lot of that would also work as a standalone like Homestuck, like Hiveswap ought to. If someday there is a web of HS stories it would be cool to be able to enter from any one you want, then further explore in any order you wish. That would be kind of cool. Maybe I'm getting a little ahead of myself, though.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jan 6, 2017 1:31:44 GMT
Yeah, really I think it was pretty tenuous to refer to it as a 'thing' at all. From their description of it, it sounded like a pretty vague title for a wave of projects that basically were just in conception at the time, with virtually nothing on the ground. They tried to get something off the ground with the video, while tempering fan impatience perhaps, but it seems like that didn't go anywhere. In that case, whatever "Homestuck 2.0" is meant to entail won't see the light of day for a pretty long time I'm thinking, if ever, and there's really no need to make such a huge fuss about it. Which I guess then makes this the "generic homestuck adaptation, or homestuck meta, or whatever really is convenient to talk about at the time" topic. Perhaps the "potential future Homestuck-related projects discussion, with the vague knowledge that there will eventually be some, probably" topic would be a better description. Anyway, how likely does some sort of adaptation seem to everyone? Pretty likely, I think. I can't see it happening incredibly soon, but I definitely see Hussie at least trying to get an adaptation done. And I can't not be optimistic about it because let's get real, the comic has made an adaptation of itself with the animations, songs, and various walkarounds you play throughout. It's proved with its own machinations it can survive various medium (no pun intended) jumps. Plus the game, from what little we've seen of it, seems very much in the spirit of Homestuck's humor and general perspective.
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 7, 2017 8:31:29 GMT
I agree with the likelihood of a an adaptation being extremely low. Who would you even advertise it to?
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Post by silverrida on Jan 9, 2017 6:30:55 GMT
Perhaps the "potential future Homestuck-related projects discussion, with the vague knowledge that there will eventually be some, probably" topic would be a better description. Anyway, how likely does some sort of adaptation seem to everyone? Pretty likely, I think. I can't see it happening incredibly soon, but I definitely see Hussie at least trying to get an adaptation done. And I can't not be optimistic about it because let's get real, the comic has made an adaptation of itself with the animations, songs, and various walkarounds you play throughout. It's proved with its own machinations it can survive various medium (no pun intended) jumps. Plus the game, from what little we've seen of it, seems very much in the spirit of Homestuck's humor and general perspective. I think the limiting factor on its adaptation is less a medium transition and more the interest of the creator. It seems to me like Hussie wants to put HS behind him if we're speaking in terms of the comic. I still find the ending we received to be one of concession. It's a non-ending, and I think Hussie has had it with the fandom pressures and all the elements he wanted to explore. I suppose if we eliminate the pressure of the games he may look back fondly on the epic, but as of right now I don't see an adaptation happening.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jan 9, 2017 8:12:56 GMT
Pretty likely, I think. I can't see it happening incredibly soon, but I definitely see Hussie at least trying to get an adaptation done. And I can't not be optimistic about it because let's get real, the comic has made an adaptation of itself with the animations, songs, and various walkarounds you play throughout. It's proved with its own machinations it can survive various medium (no pun intended) jumps. Plus the game, from what little we've seen of it, seems very much in the spirit of Homestuck's humor and general perspective. I think the limiting factor on its adaptation is less a medium transition and more the interest of the creator. It seems to me like Hussie wants to put HS behind him if we're speaking in terms of the comic. I still find the ending we received to be one of concession. It's a non-ending, and I think Hussie has had it with the fandom pressures and all the elements he wanted to explore. I suppose if we eliminate the pressure of the games he may look back fondly on the epic, but as of right now I don't see an adaptation happening. I have absolutely no idea why people keep saying this. Not only has Hussie been working on a game that takes place in the world of Homestuck for years even though some schmucks ran off with their game money and he never had to make a game in the first place, and not only is he keeping the comic alive via the snap chats with an epilogue waiting in the wings, he also has this mysterious Homestuck 2.0 thing that could very well be the name for the efforts under way to get an adaptation made. If Hussie really wanted to be done with Homestuck, he would have quit making the game ages ago and there wouldn't be any snap chats or even hints at an epilogue. The idea that he's tired of Homestuck makes absolutely no sense when you look at what he's doing.
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Post by Gab on Jan 9, 2017 23:14:52 GMT
Yeah, that might be a fairly sick burn but your disapproval of the ending doesn't really factor into the argument. That said, keeping the brand alive working on more content is a lot different from being ready to remake a whole story of this size.
The way I see it, adapting Homestuck would be like making Problem Sleuth 2. It sure would be what the fans want, and some cool stuff could certainly be done with it, but for Andrew it wouldn't be much of a progression as an artist. Not the way Homestuck did by upping the complexity and radically altering the dynamic from Problem Sleuth, or the way Hiveswap explores a totally different media than Andrew's ever done before.
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Post by drifloon on Jan 9, 2017 23:53:40 GMT
I think the limiting factor on its adaptation is less a medium transition and more the interest of the creator. It seems to me like Hussie wants to put HS behind him if we're speaking in terms of the comic. I still find the ending we received to be one of concession. It's a non-ending, and I think Hussie has had it with the fandom pressures and all the elements he wanted to explore. I suppose if we eliminate the pressure of the games he may look back fondly on the epic, but as of right now I don't see an adaptation happening. I have absolutely no idea why people keep saying this. Not only has Hussie been working on a game that takes place in the world of Homestuck for years even though some schmucks ran off with their game money and he never had to make a game in the first place, and not only is he keeping the comic alive via the snap chats with an epilogue waiting in the wings, he also has this mysterious Homestuck 2.0 thing that could very well be the name for the efforts under way to get an adaptation made. If Hussie really wanted to be done with Homestuck, he would have quit making the game ages ago and there wouldn't be any snap chats or even hints at an epilogue. The idea that he's tired of Homestuck makes absolutely no sense when you look at what he's doing. You do realise that as far as we know, he's largely relegated all of those things to other people as much as he possibly can, right? He's stuck with bringing the series to an end and continuing with Hiveswap because he isn't going to refuse to finish what he started, but that's different from jumping at any opportunity to do more with the series. Hussie himself shows very little active enthusiasm for Homestuck at this point, and has completely detached from the fanbase. What Hussie is doing with Homestuck currently seems to fit a running theme of "keeping the fanbase satisfied without having to keep working on the series myself", which is something he seems to have been trying to do to some capacity since Paradox Space. I don't blame him at all, but I think you're kind of deluded if you think Homestuck is still the labor of love for Hussie that it used to be, or that he's putting his energy into pulling off some diabolical master plan. He wanted Homestuck to be done within a year or two, so it'd be unnatural if he wasn't tired of it by this point. It strikes me as kind of silly to look at something like the snapchats that are really minimalistic, relatively infrequent content confirmed to be entirely plotted and written by someone who isn't Hussie, and use that as evidence that he's actually still really enthusiastic about the series. Compare that to the frankly ridiculous amount of content he was producing back in the day and the way he kept stretching his limits back then, and it's pretty clear that things have changed. Which, again, I'm not blaming him for. But I think it's clear that Homestuck has been more of an obligation than a passion for Hussie for a long time.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jan 10, 2017 3:57:36 GMT
I have absolutely no idea why people keep saying this. Not only has Hussie been working on a game that takes place in the world of Homestuck for years even though some schmucks ran off with their game money and he never had to make a game in the first place, and not only is he keeping the comic alive via the snap chats with an epilogue waiting in the wings, he also has this mysterious Homestuck 2.0 thing that could very well be the name for the efforts under way to get an adaptation made. If Hussie really wanted to be done with Homestuck, he would have quit making the game ages ago and there wouldn't be any snap chats or even hints at an epilogue. The idea that he's tired of Homestuck makes absolutely no sense when you look at what he's doing. You do realise that as far as we know, he's largely relegated all of those things to other people as much as he possibly can, right? He's stuck with bringing the series to an end and continuing with Hiveswap because he isn't going to refuse to finish what he started, but that's different from jumping at any opportunity to do more with the series. Hussie himself shows very little active enthusiasm for Homestuck at this point, and has completely detached from the fanbase. What Hussie is doing with Homestuck currently seems to fit a running theme of "keeping the fanbase satisfied without having to keep working on the series myself", which is something he seems to have been trying to do to some capacity since Paradox Space. I don't blame him at all, but I think you're kind of deluded if you think Homestuck is still the labor of love for Hussie that it used to be, or that he's putting his energy into pulling off some diabolical master plan. He wanted Homestuck to be done within a year or two, so it'd be unnatural if he wasn't tired of it by this point. It strikes me as kind of silly to look at something like the snapchats that are really minimalistic, relatively infrequent content confirmed to be entirely plotted and written by someone who isn't Hussie, and use that as evidence that he's actually still really enthusiastic about the series. Compare that to the frankly ridiculous amount of content he was producing back in the day and the way he kept stretching his limits back then, and it's pretty clear that things have changed. Which, again, I'm not blaming him for. But I think it's clear that Homestuck has been more of an obligation than a passion for Hussie for a long time. But that's still more than just abandoning the thing. He didn't have to give the snap chats to someone else, or have other people work on the game or contribute to Homestuck 2.0. He could've just....not done anything at all. He could've stopped making Hiveswap a long time ago and not had anyone do the snap chats by not having them be a thing at all. None of these things were things Hussie had to do. And honestly the idea that Hussie feels an obligation to us doesn't fit his character the way I perceive it. Sure, I think he's decent enough where he's appreciative of his fans and all they've done and so wants what he gives them to be good. But I don't think that stretches to making things he doesn't want to make, or doing things he doesn't want to do. He does what he wants, and he's never seemed to do otherwise.
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 11, 2017 2:36:51 GMT
Do not forget, there is the Epilogue. He is personally taking notes for it. No matter what he is definitely directly working on more Homestuck content. Why would he do that if he did not want to? He has no obligation to. He never said he would make an epilogue before, or even implied he would. Hussie has not abandoned Homestuck.
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Post by thedude3445 on Jan 11, 2017 8:57:10 GMT
I really just want the fifth MSPA to come out, myself.
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 11, 2017 10:21:23 GMT
I really just want the fifth MSPA to come out, myself. I am almost positive that there will not be one.
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Post by Gab on Jan 11, 2017 14:55:00 GMT
Yeah it's starting to look likely that won't happen. Homestuck is kind of a tough act to follow and I don't know what exactly could be achieved in that medium that would be cool and new. Wait fuck loaded phrase I mean, uh... fresh and unique.
But hey you never know for sure. But at this point it's not something I'm expecting.
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 11, 2017 15:36:50 GMT
Yeah it's starting to look likely that won't happen. Homestuck is kind of a tough act to follow and I don't know what exactly could be achieved in that medium that would be cool and new. Wait fuck loaded phrase I mean, uh... fresh and unique. But hey you never know for sure. But at this point it's not something I'm expecting. The main reason I think it is unlikely is that reader commands were gone for almost all of Homestuck's run. It would be weird to bring them back after all that time, and it would be weird to have an official MS Paint Adventure without reader commands.
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Post by The One Guy on Jan 11, 2017 15:40:01 GMT
I'd love to see a new, completely unrelated, MSPA coming out. Even if it's nowhere near as good as Homestuck, it'd still be something new and interesting; a fresh start rather than continuing to milk out Homestuck's popularity. But that doesn't mean I think it's going to happen. Edit: The main reason I think it is unlikely is that reader commands were gone for almost all of Homestuck's run. It would be weird to bring them back after all that time, and it would be weird to have an official MS Paint Adventure without reader commands. Eh, Homestuck's pretty much an official MS Paint Adventure without reader commands by this point anyway.
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 11, 2017 15:42:00 GMT
What if he just goes back to Bard Quest?
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Post by eerr on Jan 11, 2017 17:08:04 GMT
What if he just goes back to Bard Quest? Andrew Hussie would then remember why branching storylines are such a bad idea, and then stop.
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 11, 2017 17:20:04 GMT
What if he just goes back to Bard Quest? Andrew Hussie would then remember why branching storylines are such a bad idea, and then stop. I mean, he went back and added an ending for Jail Break, so, once he makes the Epilogue and Homestuck is finally over, Bard Quest will be the only remaining incomplete MS Paint Adventure. I just think it would be funny if he went back to making random bullshit like that instead of moving on to something grander than Homestuck or something else Homestuck-related like everyone expects him to. Really, how much further could he go? Or maybe he'll go back to some even older project? I think there was some planned sequel to something he never did?
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Post by Blaperile on Jan 11, 2017 19:31:45 GMT
Well, in one of his most recent news posts Andrew did imply he's also working on some projects unrelated to Homestuck.
So, who knows what could come of that. I doubt it will be a new MSPA, but maybe it will be something else entirely.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jan 12, 2017 1:22:58 GMT
I think it's contingent on whether or not he is, in fact, going to try to get an adaptation made. If he is, that'd take up more than a bit of his time. Then again this is the guy who likes doing fifty things at once, so...
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Post by guest on Jan 12, 2017 15:30:14 GMT
But that's still more than just abandoning the thing. He didn't have to give the snap chats to someone else, or have other people work on the game or contribute to Homestuck 2.0. He could've just....not done anything at all. He could've stopped making Hiveswap a long time ago and not had anyone do the snap chats by not having them be a thing at all. None of these things were things Hussie had to do. And honestly the idea that Hussie feels an obligation to us doesn't fit his character the way I perceive it. Sure, I think he's decent enough where he's appreciative of his fans and all they've done and so wants what he gives them to be good. But I don't think that stretches to making things he doesn't want to make, or doing things he doesn't want to do. He does what he wants, and he's never seemed to do otherwise. Obligation =/= passion. Yes, Andrew Hussie could stop just working on Hiveswap, but does he really want to face heavy criticism from fans, tarnish his credibility, and possibly face the guilt of being unable to provide content his fans reasonably expect and wasting 2 million dollars? There are many reasons other than genuine interest or passion that someone might take the harder path over the easier path, and one of them might be that the so-called 'easy path' is not that easy or fun at all. Look, a lot kids get up and go to school everyday. They could just stay home and not go. They could just do nothing. But they don't. And this doesn't mean that they're all passionate about school. For Andrew Hussie, not doing anything and dropping all his projects is not really an option, given how much the fanbase and everyone expects out of him. He probably is still doing this out of obligation, not passion.
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Post by eerr on Jan 12, 2017 17:09:51 GMT
Obligation =/= passion. Yes, Andrew Hussie could stop just working on Hiveswap, but does he really want to face heavy criticism from fans, tarnish his credibility, and possibly face the guilt of being unable to provide content his fans reasonably expect and wasting 2 million dollars? There are many reasons other than genuine interest or passion that someone might take the harder path over the easier path, and one of them might be that the so-called 'easy path' is not that easy or fun at all. Look, a lot kids get up and go to school everyday. They could just stay home and not go. They could just do nothing. But they don't. And this doesn't mean that they're all passionate about school. For Andrew Hussie, not doing anything and dropping all his projects is not really an option, given how much the fanbase and everyone expects out of him. He probably is still doing this out of obligation, not passion. What? As far as I know the original plan was to fund someone else to make the game, so that he could make a V2 based off it. He was fully intending to make a game. Just not one that forces himself to stop updating Homestuck. But then shit happened, the deal turned south, and he's stuck working on a labor of love- What he intended to do, just not when he intended to make it! Hussie, according to one of the questions he answered, loves to make people happy. Maybe it's slightly self centered, maybe it's slightly weird. But make no mistake he is trying to increase the output of Homestuck by any means he can. That's Hussie's goal. Homestuck
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