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Post by dldracorex on Jan 12, 2017 20:08:04 GMT
But that's still more than just abandoning the thing. He didn't have to give the snap chats to someone else, or have other people work on the game or contribute to Homestuck 2.0. He could've just....not done anything at all. He could've stopped making Hiveswap a long time ago and not had anyone do the snap chats by not having them be a thing at all. None of these things were things Hussie had to do. And honestly the idea that Hussie feels an obligation to us doesn't fit his character the way I perceive it. Sure, I think he's decent enough where he's appreciative of his fans and all they've done and so wants what he gives them to be good. But I don't think that stretches to making things he doesn't want to make, or doing things he doesn't want to do. He does what he wants, and he's never seemed to do otherwise. Obligation =/= passion. Yes, Andrew Hussie could stop just working on Hiveswap, but does he really want to face heavy criticism from fans, tarnish his credibility, and possibly face the guilt of being unable to provide content his fans reasonably expect and wasting 2 million dollars? There are many reasons other than genuine interest or passion that someone might take the harder path over the easier path, and one of them might be that the so-called 'easy path' is not that easy or fun at all. Look, a lot kids get up and go to school everyday. They could just stay home and not go. They could just do nothing. But they don't. And this doesn't mean that they're all passionate about school. For Andrew Hussie, not doing anything and dropping all his projects is not really an option, given how much the fanbase and everyone expects out of him. He probably is still doing this out of obligation, not passion. After the end of the comic he said "Hey guys, guess what. I am going to do an epilogue that I never hinted at before." He chose to do more Homestuck after the end. He was not, in any way, obligated or expected to do that, but he still decided to. And all signs point to him doing it personally.
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Post by Gab on Jan 16, 2017 2:44:03 GMT
It's worth mentioning, the fact people other than Hussie are working on Hiveswap/Homestuck doesn't necessarily mean the quality of the work decreases, or that Andrew isn't still passionate about them.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Jan 18, 2017 23:35:40 GMT
I have absolutely no idea why people keep saying this. Not only has Hussie been working on a game that takes place in the world of Homestuck for years even though some schmucks ran off with their game money and he never had to make a game in the first place, and not only is he keeping the comic alive via the snap chats with an epilogue waiting in the wings, he also has this mysterious Homestuck 2.0 thing that could very well be the name for the efforts under way to get an adaptation made. If Hussie really wanted to be done with Homestuck, he would have quit making the game ages ago and there wouldn't be any snap chats or even hints at an epilogue. The idea that he's tired of Homestuck makes absolutely no sense when you look at what he's doing. You do realise that as far as we know, he's largely relegated all of those things to other people as much as he possibly can, right? He's stuck with bringing the series to an end and continuing with Hiveswap because he isn't going to refuse to finish what he started, but that's different from jumping at any opportunity to do more with the series. Hussie himself shows very little active enthusiasm for Homestuck at this point, and has completely detached from the fanbase. What Hussie is doing with Homestuck currently seems to fit a running theme of "keeping the fanbase satisfied without having to keep working on the series myself", which is something he seems to have been trying to do to some capacity since Paradox Space. I don't blame him at all, but I think you're kind of deluded if you think Homestuck is still the labor of love for Hussie that it used to be, or that he's putting his energy into pulling off some diabolical master plan. He wanted Homestuck to be done within a year or two, so it'd be unnatural if he wasn't tired of it by this point. It strikes me as kind of silly to look at something like the snapchats that are really minimalistic, relatively infrequent content confirmed to be entirely plotted and written by someone who isn't Hussie, and use that as evidence that he's actually still really enthusiastic about the series. Compare that to the frankly ridiculous amount of content he was producing back in the day and the way he kept stretching his limits back then, and it's pretty clear that things have changed. Which, again, I'm not blaming him for. But I think it's clear that Homestuck has been more of an obligation than a passion for Hussie for a long time. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case tbh. I've been getting that vibe from him since the gigapause, probably even before that. The comic just generally felt very different after the gigapause (or rather after MSPaint: Mental Breakdown), like Hussie wasn't putting in much effort and love as he used to. It doesn't help that a lot of the panels weren't even drawn by Hussie towards the end. The lack of communication from him and WP in general towards to the fans since last year also seems to show this as well. I wouldn't blame him; he's been drawing it for a very long time and intended the comic to be a lot shorter, and it seems like he never even wanted the gigapause to happen in the first place if TOG was the reason it happened in the first place. I personally blame the game (and TOG). Hussie thought he could handle making the game as well as the comic, and failed. Now the game is coming out very late, the comic finished very late with a not very good final (and an epilogue still yet to happen) and a lot of fans have left before the comic even finished and a lot of them don't even care for the game anymore. The game shouldn't have happened until the comic was finished.
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Post by eerr on Jan 19, 2017 5:46:37 GMT
"The game shouldn't have happened until the comic was finished." And for that you can blame -The Odd Gentleman. Or Andrew Hussie for a premature kickstarter.
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Post by Gab on Jan 20, 2017 20:32:28 GMT
I don't see what the point is in bemoaning these circumstances and trying to guess what affected what. It doesn't seem terribly fun when everyone seems to assume the alternative would have been better than what we got, which I wouldn't exactly think is accurate in retrospect anyway.
Personally, I don't feel burned after all the pauses and stuff. Sure, they always suck when they're happening, but once you're past that it's easy to let go and move on, it doesn't weigh on you anymore. Now the comic is (mostly) over, and Hiveswap is coming out this month, and looking terrific if you ask me. If nothing else, would it not be more fun and worthwhile to focus on that?
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Post by melonlord on Jan 20, 2017 23:13:57 GMT
I don't see what the point is in bemoaning these circumstances and trying to guess what affected what. It doesn't seem terribly fun when everyone seems to assume the alternative would have been better than what we got, which I wouldn't exactly think is accurate in retrospect anyway. Personally, I don't feel burned after all the pauses and stuff. Sure, they always suck when they're happening, but once you're past that it's easy to let go and move on, it doesn't weigh on you anymore. Now the comic is (mostly) over, and Hiveswap is coming out this month, and looking terrific if you ask me. If nothing else, would it not be more fun and worthwhile to focus on that? I mean, there's not much to focus on yet. There's already a hiveswap thread, and there's been nothing else about homestuck 2.0 since that youtube video (which has since been deleted). We could discuss that sbahjy preview thing, I guess? I mean, we basically pulled all there was to pull out of it when it dropped. Nobody knows enough about it to have an opinion about it. We could speculate, I suppose, but with how little detail we have it would be less "theorizing" and more "fanfic with an image prompt". I think discussion is always going to gravitate towards whatever points of contention are left. And there's just not much TO contend about homestuck 2.0.
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Post by trivialcanine on Jan 23, 2017 0:49:31 GMT
I don't see what the point is in bemoaning these circumstances and trying to guess what affected what. It doesn't seem terribly fun when everyone seems to assume the alternative would have been better than what we got, which I wouldn't exactly think is accurate in retrospect anyway. Personally, I don't feel burned after all the pauses and stuff. Sure, they always suck when they're happening, but once you're past that it's easy to let go and move on, it doesn't weigh on you anymore. Now the comic is (mostly) over, and Hiveswap is coming out this month, and looking terrific if you ask me. If nothing else, would it not be more fun and worthwhile to focus on that? I mean, there's not much to focus on yet. There's already a hiveswap thread, and there's been nothing else about homestuck 2.0 since that youtube video (which has since been deleted). We could discuss that sbahjy preview thing, I guess? I mean, we basically pulled all there was to pull out of it when it dropped. Nobody knows enough about it to have an opinion about it. We could speculate, I suppose, but with how little detail we have it would be less "theorizing" and more "fanfic with an image prompt". I think discussion is always going to gravitate towards whatever points of contention are left. And there's just not much TO contend about homestuck 2.0. What's the SBAHJ thing? I haven't heard anything about it.
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Post by Sharkalien on Jan 23, 2017 3:16:45 GMT
What's the SBAHJ thing? I haven't heard anything about it. This image that was more or less a blurb: It was briefly discussed about in this thread.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jan 23, 2017 17:46:29 GMT
You do realise that as far as we know, he's largely relegated all of those things to other people as much as he possibly can, right? He's stuck with bringing the series to an end and continuing with Hiveswap because he isn't going to refuse to finish what he started, but that's different from jumping at any opportunity to do more with the series. Hussie himself shows very little active enthusiasm for Homestuck at this point, and has completely detached from the fanbase. What Hussie is doing with Homestuck currently seems to fit a running theme of "keeping the fanbase satisfied without having to keep working on the series myself", which is something he seems to have been trying to do to some capacity since Paradox Space. I don't blame him at all, but I think you're kind of deluded if you think Homestuck is still the labor of love for Hussie that it used to be, or that he's putting his energy into pulling off some diabolical master plan. He wanted Homestuck to be done within a year or two, so it'd be unnatural if he wasn't tired of it by this point. It strikes me as kind of silly to look at something like the snapchats that are really minimalistic, relatively infrequent content confirmed to be entirely plotted and written by someone who isn't Hussie, and use that as evidence that he's actually still really enthusiastic about the series. Compare that to the frankly ridiculous amount of content he was producing back in the day and the way he kept stretching his limits back then, and it's pretty clear that things have changed. Which, again, I'm not blaming him for. But I think it's clear that Homestuck has been more of an obligation than a passion for Hussie for a long time. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case tbh. I've been getting that vibe from him since the gigapause, probably even before that. The comic just generally felt very different after the gigapause (or rather after MSPaint: Mental Breakdown), like Hussie wasn't putting in much effort and love as he used to. It doesn't help that a lot of the panels weren't even drawn by Hussie towards the end. The lack of communication from him and WP in general towards to the fans since last year also seems to show this as well. I wouldn't blame him; he's been drawing it for a very long time and intended the comic to be a lot shorter, and it seems like he never even wanted the gigapause to happen in the first place if TOG was the reason it happened in the first place. I personally blame the game (and TOG). Hussie thought he could handle making the game as well as the comic, and failed. Now the game is coming out very late, the comic finished very late with a not very good final (and an epilogue still yet to happen) and a lot of fans have left before the comic even finished and a lot of them don't even care for the game anymore. The game shouldn't have happened until the comic was finished. Honestly, the comic didn't strike me as incredibly different after the gigapause, it's just that it seemed to me all of us expected to get more than we got because we were heading into the homestretch and we never did. And WP, correct me if I'm wrong, has always been pretty tight lipped, hasn't it?
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Post by Blaperile on Jan 23, 2017 20:10:29 GMT
What's the SBAHJ thing? I haven't heard anything about it. This image that was more or less a blurb: It was briefly discussed about in this thread. Plus these two images: See Andrew's news posts of 10/06/2016 and 6/12/2016 for the "context" in which Andrew gave these to us.
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Post by staircaseofkneecaps on Jan 23, 2017 20:12:41 GMT
I don't think that means it has to do with sbahj, I think he's using them as his new self-inserts or something, they're just here to tell us that there's some NEW GOOD SHIT on the way. I doubt Hussie wants to do anything too serious with them. It'd be nice if he continued/ finished from where he left off with the clam.
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Post by Sharkalien on Jan 23, 2017 21:05:04 GMT
See Andrew's news posts of 10/06/2016 and 6/12/2016 for the "context" in which Andrew gave these to us. Looks like the link wasn't embedded
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 24, 2017 1:45:25 GMT
I don't think that means it has to do with sbahj, I think he's using them as his new self-inserts or something, they're just here to tell us that there's some NEW GOOD SHIT on the way. I doubt Hussie wants to do anything too serious with them. It'd be nice if he continued/ finished from where he left off with the clam. I mean, the first one is called "probotional_teazer.jpg".
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Post by staircaseofkneecaps on Jan 24, 2017 4:34:11 GMT
I don't think that means it has to do with sbahj, I think he's using them as his new self-inserts or something, they're just here to tell us that there's some NEW GOOD SHIT on the way. I doubt Hussie wants to do anything too serious with them. It'd be nice if he continued/ finished from where he left off with the clam. I mean, the first one is called "probotional_teazer.jpg". Yeah I know but that doesn't really mean it is Sbahj for sure. Probably a bad comparison but the picture used on the Homestuck Adventure Game Kickstarter was just a picture from homestuck, not anything to do with Hiveswap really. It's his new self insert since the Waste of Space is dead yknow. If it IS something to do with sbahj then I don't know what it could possibly be that would be worth all this teasing
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Post by mementovivere on Jan 24, 2017 5:11:42 GMT
If it IS something to do with sbahj then I don't know what it could possibly be that would be worth all this teasing Well, keep in mind that while he was working on it, Hussie described Caliborn's claymation masterpiece as "the best material this website will ever exhibit", and described the Davepeta/ARquiusprite hug bunp as "the greatest moment in Homestuck history" making it "the single greatest piece of media you have ever experienced." It's pretty normal for him to talk up the goofy stuff to grandiose levels, so I absolutely expect it to be some SBaHJ thing. Which I'm perfectly fine with Who knows what form it will actually take, but a robed Sweet Bro dramatically crossing a desert and Hella Jeff riding on a meteor make it look pretty epic (and possibly Sburb-related)
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 24, 2017 12:08:33 GMT
I mean, the first one is called "probotional_teazer.jpg". Yeah I know but that doesn't really mean it is Sbahj for sure. Probably a bad comparison but the picture used on the Homestuck Adventure Game Kickstarter was just a picture from homestuck, not anything to do with Hiveswap really. It's his new self insert since the Waste of Space is dead yknow. If it IS something to do with sbahj then I don't know what it could possibly be that would be worth all this teasing Hussie's self insert being dead has not stopped him from using it before (and the crappy one that he used to type the recap really fast is technically still out there). Besides, it would seem really weird for him to be using two different characters that are already kind of established as self inserts at the same time. And why would he have a self insert in those situations anyway?
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Post by Blaperile on Jan 24, 2017 20:09:32 GMT
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Post by staircaseofkneecaps on Jan 25, 2017 5:18:49 GMT
Yeah I know but that doesn't really mean it is Sbahj for sure. Probably a bad comparison but the picture used on the Homestuck Adventure Game Kickstarter was just a picture from homestuck, not anything to do with Hiveswap really. It's his new self insert since the Waste of Space is dead yknow. If it IS something to do with sbahj then I don't know what it could possibly be that would be worth all this teasing Hussie's self insert being dead has not stopped him from using it before (and the crappy one that he used to type the recap really fast is technically still out there). Besides, it would seem really weird for him to be using two different characters that are already kind of established as self inserts at the same time. And why would he have a self insert in those situations anyway? Maybe sbahj will feature prominently in Hiveswap? I'm just not really sure what you can do with sbahj other than silly one off comics. If he somehow manages to wow us with some form of sbahj media that is viewed as art, like a comic or something with a serious storyline like homestuck that's somehow still 100% sbahj (think canwc) that'd be cool.
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 25, 2017 7:14:09 GMT
Hussie's self insert being dead has not stopped him from using it before (and the crappy one that he used to type the recap really fast is technically still out there). Besides, it would seem really weird for him to be using two different characters that are already kind of established as self inserts at the same time. And why would he have a self insert in those situations anyway? Maybe sbahj will feature prominently in Hiveswap? I'm just not really sure what you can do with sbahj other than silly one off comics. If he somehow manages to wow us with some form of sbahj media that is viewed as art, like a comic or something with a serious storyline like homestuck that's somehow still 100% sbahj (think canwc) that'd be cool. I doubt SBAHJ will feature in Hiveswap, on account of Dave Strider not being around yet.
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Post by staircaseofkneecaps on Jan 25, 2017 16:13:07 GMT
Maybe sbahj will feature prominently in Hiveswap? I'm just not really sure what you can do with sbahj other than silly one off comics. If he somehow manages to wow us with some form of sbahj media that is viewed as art, like a comic or something with a serious storyline like homestuck that's somehow still 100% sbahj (think canwc) that'd be cool. I doubt SBAHJ will feature in Hiveswap, on account of Dave Strider not being around yet. But time travel. No thats stupid. I'm not sure then, this is definitely a mystery for the ages.
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Post by trivialcanine on Jan 26, 2017 1:33:27 GMT
Maybe sbahj will feature prominently in Hiveswap? I'm just not really sure what you can do with sbahj other than silly one off comics. If he somehow manages to wow us with some form of sbahj media that is viewed as art, like a comic or something with a serious storyline like homestuck that's somehow still 100% sbahj (think canwc) that'd be cool. I doubt SBAHJ will feature in Hiveswap, on account of Dave Strider not being around yet. Who knows. Considering that there were clear traces of the beta kids in the trailer, and a photo of roxy, anything's possible
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 26, 2017 1:55:43 GMT
I doubt SBAHJ will feature in Hiveswap, on account of Dave Strider not being around yet. Who knows. Considering that there were clear traces of the beta kids in the trailer, and a photo of roxy, anything's possible Traces of the beta kids? What are you talking about? This takes place before their meteors land. Did I miss something? And the photo is of the Roxy that is Rose's mom, so I do not really see how that would allow SBAHJ to appear before it is created.
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Post by trivialcanine on Jan 26, 2017 4:22:09 GMT
Who knows. Considering that there were clear traces of the beta kids in the trailer, and a photo of roxy, anything's possible Traces of the beta kids? What are you talking about? This takes place before their meteors land. Did I miss something? And the photo is of the Roxy that is Rose's mom, so I do not really see how that would allow SBAHJ to appear before it is created. Well they're not really "traces" per say, but probably more likely just references.
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Post by dldracorex on Jan 26, 2017 6:02:58 GMT
Traces of the beta kids? What are you talking about? This takes place before their meteors land. Did I miss something? And the photo is of the Roxy that is Rose's mom, so I do not really see how that would allow SBAHJ to appear before it is created. Well they're not really "traces" per say, but probably more likely just references. Could you give an example? I didn't notice anything referencing the Betas.
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Post by Gab on Jan 26, 2017 15:10:06 GMT
I don't think that means it has to do with sbahj, I think he's using them as his new self-inserts or something, they're just here to tell us that there's some NEW GOOD SHIT on the way. I doubt Hussie wants to do anything too serious with them. It'd be nice if he continued/ finished from where he left off with the clam. I feel like you have to make a pretty significant logical leap to come to that conclusion. Also in addition to the other teaser images, there's the one addition to John's house in the (leadup to the) credits page, a poster of something Sbahj related in his bedroom. I assumed that was a reference to whatever is waiting in the wings as well.
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