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Post by silverrida on Feb 27, 2017 8:40:24 GMT
I think the limiting factor on its adaptation is less a medium transition and more the interest of the creator. It seems to me like Hussie wants to put HS behind him if we're speaking in terms of the comic. I still find the ending we received to be one of concession. It's a non-ending, and I think Hussie has had it with the fandom pressures and all the elements he wanted to explore. I suppose if we eliminate the pressure of the games he may look back fondly on the epic, but as of right now I don't see an adaptation happening. I have absolutely no idea why people keep saying this. Not only has Hussie been working on a game that takes place in the world of Homestuck for years even though some schmucks ran off with their game money and he never had to make a game in the first place, and not only is he keeping the comic alive via the snap chats with an epilogue waiting in the wings, he also has this mysterious Homestuck 2.0 thing that could very well be the name for the efforts under way to get an adaptation made. If Hussie really wanted to be done with Homestuck, he would have quit making the game ages ago and there wouldn't be any snap chats or even hints at an epilogue. The idea that he's tired of Homestuck makes absolutely no sense when you look at what he's doing. I don't see Hiveswap as great evidence, considering the funding campaign started years ago. I suppose to add nuance to my claim, I would contend that Hussie wasn't disinterested in HS at the time but has since become disillusioned with the main story as a whole. Hiveswap has always meant to be stand-alone while within the HS universe, which I think carries different pressures than finishing up the comic proper. I'll accede to Homestuck 2.0; I definitely think it's a better argument. My response, though, is that HS 2.0 has seem to gone to the wayside? It could be the mystery thing he wants to unveil, but since the initial, introductory HS 2.0, I don't recall much in the way of advancing this line of work?
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Feb 27, 2017 8:46:41 GMT
I have absolutely no idea why people keep saying this. Not only has Hussie been working on a game that takes place in the world of Homestuck for years even though some schmucks ran off with their game money and he never had to make a game in the first place, and not only is he keeping the comic alive via the snap chats with an epilogue waiting in the wings, he also has this mysterious Homestuck 2.0 thing that could very well be the name for the efforts under way to get an adaptation made. If Hussie really wanted to be done with Homestuck, he would have quit making the game ages ago and there wouldn't be any snap chats or even hints at an epilogue. The idea that he's tired of Homestuck makes absolutely no sense when you look at what he's doing. I don't see Hiveswap as great evidence, considering the funding campaign started years ago. I suppose to add nuance to my claim, I would contend that Hussie wasn't disinterested in HS at the time but has since become disillusioned with the main story as a whole. Hiveswap has always meant to be stand-alone while within the HS universe, which I think carries different pressures than finishing up the comic proper. I'll accede to Homestuck 2.0; I definitely think it's a better argument. My response, though, is that HS 2.0 has seem to gone to the wayside? It could be the mystery thing he wants to unveil, but since the initial, introductory HS 2.0, I don't recall much in the way of advancing this line of work? I see the fact that he never abandoned it, even with all the problems involved, to be strong evidence.
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silverrida
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Post by silverrida on Feb 27, 2017 8:55:35 GMT
I don't see Hiveswap as great evidence, considering the funding campaign started years ago. I suppose to add nuance to my claim, I would contend that Hussie wasn't disinterested in HS at the time but has since become disillusioned with the main story as a whole. Hiveswap has always meant to be stand-alone while within the HS universe, which I think carries different pressures than finishing up the comic proper. I'll accede to Homestuck 2.0; I definitely think it's a better argument. My response, though, is that HS 2.0 has seem to gone to the wayside? It could be the mystery thing he wants to unveil, but since the initial, introductory HS 2.0, I don't recall much in the way of advancing this line of work? I see the fact that he never abandoned it, even with all the problems involved, to be strong evidence. Could there not be other factors at work beyond passion for the project that explain his continued involvement? Monetary? Concern about discontentment toward what is currently his magnum opus? Not wanting to fall short of expectations he's made for himself? All these things could be construed into some form of care, however I still think his general desire for HS, the comic, is for it to end. I also want to note that I don't bemoan Hussie for any reason he may want to continue working with HS, in the hypothetical case that he no longer feels passionately about the project; I don't think creating solid content for economic reasons is bad, or wanting to meet your own standards is bad. I just don't necessarily believe the comic is what he wants to focus on anymore.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Feb 28, 2017 0:43:03 GMT
I see the fact that he never abandoned it, even with all the problems involved, to be strong evidence. Could there not be other factors at work beyond passion for the project that explain his continued involvement? Monetary? Concern about discontentment toward what is currently his magnum opus? Not wanting to fall short of expectations he's made for himself? I don't know about monetary: I have no idea what Hussie's financial situation is, or whether dropping the game at this point or at a previous point in his history would've lost or saved him money. I don't think Hussie gives a damn about what other people think about what he does, I don't think he ever has, and I've seen no evidence to the contrary. And I don't know what Hussie's expectations for himself are. But I do know that at a certain point, if you've lost enough interest in a thing, none of those factors matter. The fact that he's still doing things he quite simply does not need to do is evidence against the 'he just doesn't care anymore' theory. I don't know the guy, but all my observations of him make me think that if he didn't want to do something anymore, he'd stop doing it. Period. End of story. Literally, in some cases. After all, there are still MSPA stories that are unfinished because he decided he didn't want to finish them. All these things could be construed into some form of care, however I still think his general desire for HS, the comic, is for it to end. You wouldn't know it to look at his body of work. XD I mean, seriously, he's made a career out of dragging this shit out. To be fair, things like the game money getting stolen were not his fault and beyond his control, but he's certainly done more with Homestuck than he ever needed to. He still is doing so. After Act 7 he told of an epilogue and there are these snap chats and the game is still coming, along with some mysterious other thing Hussie's hinting at announcing alongside its release, plus whatever Homestuck 2.0 is. Sure he wants the comic to end eventually, but nothing I've seen from him indicates to me that he is in any sort of hurry about it.
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Post by timaeustesticle on Mar 11, 2017 21:39:22 GMT
Could there not be other factors at work beyond passion for the project that explain his continued involvement? Monetary? Concern about discontentment toward what is currently his magnum opus? Not wanting to fall short of expectations he's made for himself? I don't know about monetary: I have no idea what Hussie's financial situation is, or whether dropping the game at this point or at a previous point in his history would've lost or saved him money. I don't think Hussie gives a damn about what other people think about what he does, I don't think he ever has, and I've seen no evidence to the contrary. And I don't know what Hussie's expectations for himself are. But I do know that at a certain point, if you've lost enough interest in a thing, none of those factors matter. The fact that he's still doing things he quite simply does not need to do is evidence against the 'he just doesn't care anymore' theory. I don't know the guy, but all my observations of him make me think that if he didn't want to do something anymore, he'd stop doing it. Period. End of story. Literally, in some cases. After all, there are still MSPA stories that are unfinished because he decided he didn't want to finish them. All these things could be construed into some form of care, however I still think his general desire for HS, the comic, is for it to end. You wouldn't know it to look at his body of work. XD I mean, seriously, he's made a career out of dragging this shit out. To be fair, things like the game money getting stolen were not his fault and beyond his control, but he's certainly done more with Homestuck than he ever needed to. He still is doing so. After Act 7 he told of an epilogue and there are these snap chats and the game is still coming, along with some mysterious other thing Hussie's hinting at announcing alongside its release, plus whatever Homestuck 2.0 is. Sure he wants the comic to end eventually, but nothing I've seen from him indicates to me that he is in any sort of hurry about it. Thought to add on to this. Honestly I agree with silverrida. Yes you can argue that "oh if he wanted to stop, he will. he already did so before" but that was way way way before the whole ""fandom"" appeared. He's been pressured a lot from what I've seen during the end of this with Homestuck. I mean most of the stuff being worked on with the snap chats and junk arent even his work man. he aint writin that stuff, some other guy is. i honestly hope he takes a break. like a long break. he needs one. it's been tough on him and all this dumb stuff goin on with the fandom and him thats grown through homestuck. i want him to take some ease and do his own stuff ya know? maybe some day in the future come back with a shitty but funny hussie adventure. but until then, i think he's gonna be makin more stuff but begrudgingly.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Mar 11, 2017 23:56:40 GMT
Thought to add on to this. Honestly I agree with silverrida. Yes you can argue that "oh if he wanted to stop, he will. he already did so before" but that was way way way before the whole ""fandom"" appeared. He's been pressured a lot from what I've seen during the end of this with Homestuck. People keep saying that but I just see no evidence he gives a shit what the fandom wants. As I've said, I completely believe he's an appreciative guy who wants to put on a good show for his devoted following, but I see nothing that suggests that extends to changing how he wants to tell his story. If he cared about that, Act 7 would've been an actual ending. I mean most of the stuff being worked on with the snap chats and junk arent even his work man. he aint writin that stuff, some other guy is. But that isn't new at all. A lot of the stuff towards the end of Homestuck was drawn by other people. And even before that there were things like Paradox Space. And it's still more than nothing. He didn't have to have the snap chats done at all, but he did. He could've stopped working on the game long ago and given up on it, but he didn't. I think the more likely thing is that Hussie's lost the plot. That he does want to keep going but doesn't know exactly how and/or hasn't for a long time. I don't actually think that's the case, but it's much more likely to me than him just not caring anymore. I think that's what a lot of people might mean when they say he doesn't care anymore.
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Post by timaeustesticle on Mar 12, 2017 2:06:43 GMT
Thought to add on to this. Honestly I agree with silverrida. Yes you can argue that "oh if he wanted to stop, he will. he already did so before" but that was way way way before the whole ""fandom"" appeared. He's been pressured a lot from what I've seen during the end of this with Homestuck. People keep saying that but I just see no evidence he gives a shit what the fandom wants. As I've said, I completely believe he's an appreciative guy who wants to put on a good show for his devoted following, but I see nothing that suggests that extends to changing how he wants to tell his story. If he cared about that, Act 7 would've been an actual ending. I mean most of the stuff being worked on with the snap chats and junk arent even his work man. he aint writin that stuff, some other guy is. But that isn't new at all. A lot of the stuff towards the end of Homestuck was drawn by other people. And even before that there were things like Paradox Space. And it's still more than nothing. He didn't have to have the snap chats done at all, but he did. He could've stopped working on the game long ago and given up on it, but he didn't. I think the more likely thing is that Hussie's lost the plot. That he does want to keep going but doesn't know exactly how and/or hasn't for a long time. I don't actually think that's the case, but it's much more likely to me than him just not caring anymore. I think that's what a lot of people might mean when they say he doesn't care anymore. i might have worded it wrong but, im not saying he "doesnt care". he obviously does care. but i think all of it has been blown out of proportions and he's sort of like "shit". of course i dont know the guy, but i mean, wouldn't anyone be sort of worn down after all of this? it's also just sort of selfish askin for more of the comic stuff. he wanted to do a game and then it got all weird (from what ive seen and read). he wanted to do some sort of Homestuck 2.0 thing but that all got deleted except for reuploads. it just seems sort of like. idk. i want him to relax again and have fun with his stuff and not feel so pressured. that is to say if he DOES feel pressured.
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Post by Music connoisseur on May 22, 2017 9:18:45 GMT
Alas, poor Hussie! I knew him, Cohen: a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he updated his adventures a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination MSPA is! My gorge rims at it. Here hung those lips that I have admired I know not how oft. Where be your convoluted plots now? Your running gags? Your ongs? Your flashes of merriment, that were wont to set the fandom on a roar?
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Post by quixoticTokki on Sept 14, 2017 20:49:29 GMT
So I'm sure everyone is buzzing about the release of Hiveswap today, but I'm also interested in the second part of Hussie's announcement. Specifically the partnership with Viz Media and once again mentioning the "mysterious epilogue." What do you all think about that?
And the part where he says how he wants to make the epilogue "something existing outside the confines of the web story." I'm intrigued! With the involvement of Viz, could that mean a real voiced animation? Perhaps an actual printed comic?
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Post by staircaseofkneecaps on Sept 15, 2017 1:44:33 GMT
So I'm sure everyone is buzzing about the release of Hiveswap today, but I'm also interested in the second part of Hussie's announcement. Specifically the partnership with Viz Media and once again mentioning the "mysterious epilogue." What do you all think about that? And the part where he says how he wants to make the epilogue "something existing outside the confines of the web story." I'm intrigued! With the involvement of Viz, could that mean a real voiced animation? Perhaps an actual printed comic? Where was the announcement he made?
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Post by sillyConformist on Sept 15, 2017 2:14:40 GMT
In the news section here.
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Post by ten 11 on Sept 15, 2017 2:38:16 GMT
Looking at Viz Media, they appear to publish a great deal of manga and anime, including popular series like Deathnote, One-Punch Man, and Boku no Hero Academia. So Homestuck the anime is basically confirmed.
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Post by plainWonder on Sept 16, 2017 18:37:50 GMT
Just looked at the announcement on the web site. Viz Media?!? I've bought a lot of Pokémon mangas from them already. It would figure, after Homestuck the Anime we'd go straight to Homestuck the Manga. In all seriousness though, I expect there could be a lot of great stuff in store. Author-sanctioned one-off stories, coloring books... You name it! Also, the EPILOGUE in written format? I... wow. They've really escaped the shackles of their story's online format, haven't they?
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Post by Blaperile on Sept 16, 2017 18:42:19 GMT
I only just saw Andrew's new news post.
Holy shiiiiiiiit! I definitely wasn't expecting something other than a Hiveswap announcement.
I'd personally never heard of Viz Media before, but I WAS aware of the Pokémon Mangas, so the fact that they publish that is definitely no small feat!
This news is incredibly exciting to me, who knows just what they might have in store for us in the future!!!
I'm incredibly pumped that the Homestuck books will be making their return ALONG WITH Andrew's notes about them! Because let's face it, Andrew's funny and/or insightful notes are the best part about those books. Plus also the covers! Really looking forward to those.
Not to mention that they'll also be involved in the EPILOGUE!!! Wow, it's been such a while since Homestuck ended that I actually kind of forgot that was still something on the table, hahaha.
Oh man, I wonder how they're going to handle this! Will it be one big PXS-like book to cover the Epilogue? Possibly something like those canon Avatar The Last Airbender books that serve as follow-ups to the animated series?
And really curious what the Hiveswap related stuff will be that they will do.
All in all, these are some really exciting times!
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Sept 19, 2017 4:43:12 GMT
This is never gonna end, is it?
For better or worse, this is never. Going. To. End. *shakes head while laughing* Man.
EDIT: I'm still very wary of the idea that the story could be finished in a way where you're required to pay a fee to see it. Maybe if Viz and Hussie make a manga, they could make it like the books in that those who buy will get something extra like notes or something but its basic form will wind up online for everybody to see for free at some point?
I will say this though: if I wasn't bothered by the idea of paying to see the end of the story, a Homestuck OVA might actually be pretty damn cool, and it might help get an animated adaptation off the ground if it sold well.
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Post by resoluteReactor on Sept 25, 2017 13:19:40 GMT
Hussie's secretly been trying to make a scepter in his basement to start the Reckoning and destroy us, clearly. Hell of an epilogue. I have no proof to support this except that I spend way too much time thinking about the end of the world.
That said, I'm seconding curiosity about the book releases. I'm assuming that, due to size reasons, we probably will not get the entire series in a single book. But also, I'd be interested in, like, some kind of previously-unreleased material in the books? Assuming that it exists.
I mean, things made before the credits were released. Or at least before the Viz deal without necessarily intending them to end up in the books.
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Post by Arashi500 on Sept 26, 2017 0:56:53 GMT
Not really sure what to think of "Homestuk 2.0" at this point, but I'm definitely excited to be getting more books with Hussie's notes, and hopefully reprints of the Problem Sleuth and Homestuck books that have already been published.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Oct 2, 2017 0:22:10 GMT
I just had a terrible thought. One of the theories people had about how Homestuck was going to end was that we would wind up in John's room on his thirteenth birthday somehow. You know, making the whole comic a groundhog day loop. What if that is how the comic story ends once the epilogue comes out, and we have to wait until Homestuck 2.0 (Whatever it is: manga? Anime? Another game series? Something else?) to see how everything really ends? And then in 2.0, there's weird stuff that was never there in the comic, because this time we have a retcon John messing around with stuff from the beginning or something like that?
Maybe we'll see next year, I guess.
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Post by Gab on Oct 2, 2017 21:23:35 GMT
That would be pretty weird and crazy. Sort of reminds me of Undertale's never-ending loop at the behest of the player. However, I doubt it. Our kiddos have grown old. Not sure of the veracity of this link, but I saw this on a discord today. Hmmmmmmmm. www.edelweiss.plus/#sku=1421599406&page=1
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Oct 2, 2017 22:26:39 GMT
That would be pretty weird and crazy. Sort of reminds me of Undertale's never-ending loop at the behest of the player. However, I doubt it. Our kiddos have grown old.Why would that matter?
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Post by Gab on Oct 3, 2017 1:37:17 GMT
"A young man stands in his bedroom, again. It just so happens that today, the 13th of April, 2009 2018(?), is this young man's birthday. Though it was thirteen twenty-two years ago he was given life, it is only today he will be given a name!
What will is the name of this young man be?"
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Oct 3, 2017 2:01:03 GMT
"A young man stands in his bedroom, again. It just so happens that today, the 13th of April, 2009 2018(?), is this young man's birthday. Though it was thirteen twenty-two years ago he was given life, it is only today he will be given a name!
What will is the name of this young man be?" ....So, turning back the clock on literally everything else, (two universes being destroyed, five known teams playing the game, and at least two scratches) you could see happening, but somehow the kids being reverted to their original ages is a bridge too far?
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Post by ten11 on Oct 3, 2017 2:45:51 GMT
Hey did anyone ever try asking Dante what happened to Homestuck 2.0?
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Post by Gab on Oct 5, 2017 21:46:21 GMT
I already pre ordered it. >.> I'll copy my thoughts here from where I commented on elsewhere: I like it conceptually. It looks like the sort of thing that would be appealing to newcomers. A group of stylistically simplified kiddos walking down a sidewalk.
It looks like it wasn't drawn by Andrew. Also looks like whoever drew it referenced the sprites pretty heavily. But that's okay too, because that more accurately reflects the style of the panels contained within. Andrew's covers for the old books were cool but pretty obviously drawn to appeal to existing fans. Anything resembling that was never actually in the books. You know, outside of containing the scenes recreated by the covers. But you get what I mean.
It also seems to me to be staying pretty close to how characters look in Hiveswap. Similar proportions to Joey's sprite, by my eye. John's brown pants are a touch distracting, admittedly. If I choose to imagine color in their early appearances at all, I see his shirt as light blue and Rose's as pale mauve, similar to their shirts from topatoco. But that's whatever.
It wouldn't be surprising to me at all if the exact same Author Notes were recycled from the old books, maybe with a new intro and new border on them. It would be cool if there was some new stuff though. Either way, the exciting prospect behind the notes was seeing what he'd have to say way down the line when the books got to Act 5 and especially Act 6. I just hope he, you know, still remembers most of the interesting stuff. It's been a lot of years and a lot of story and a lot of it could have slipped away. He even admits in some of the problem sleuth stuff that he doesn't remember why he did certain things. EDIT: Huh wow that just shows the whole twitter thing. Okay. Also, at this point I have no idea whether this counts as Homestuck news or 2.0 news?
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Post by The One Guy on Oct 6, 2017 15:41:08 GMT
So I took a look at your post and decided to compare covers for myself For reference, here's the old cover: And here's the new one: To be honest, I like the old one better. While the new one certainly has a cleaner, better quality image and appeals to the aesthetics of Hiveswap, I feel the old one is more eye-catching. While the new one does better at making it look 3D, it still come off as more flat, just 3 kids walking in a line. And I didn't show them, but I feel the same holds true for the old books 2 and 3; the new one just looks boring in comparison. It looks like it wasn't drawn by Andrew. Also looks like whoever drew it referenced the sprites pretty heavily. But that's okay too, because that more accurately reflects the style of the panels contained within. Andrew's covers for the old books were cool but pretty obviously drawn to appeal to existing fans. Anything resembling that was never actually in the books. You know, outside of containing the scenes recreated by the covers. But you get what I mean. I'm not sure what you mean when you say the old ones were drawn to appeal to existing fans and the new one is better for newcomers. I mean, yes, the old ones were made for existing fans as that was the customer base, but I feel that they are more appealing to newcomers as well; if had no knowledge of Homestuck and went to a store where saw the old and new versions side-by-side, it's the old versions that I'd be drawn to first. And I would argue that portraying a particular scene is more true to displaying what's contained within the books than showing nothing but the main characters. Also there's the fact that the new version gives away what Rose and Dave look like before they're introduced. Not a big deal as at this point most people already know this anyway, but still.
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