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Post by sigh on Apr 25, 2016 23:04:23 GMT
Nah there's no need, it's like Sporkganza said at the beginning of the thread, there's just not enough people here to justify individual threads for specific shows.
That said the last episode of MLP was awesome and I loved how Spike was actually characterized in a very positive light. Plus the fandom got a new waifu in Ember which is always amusing to watch.
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Post by Sharkalien on Apr 25, 2016 23:07:49 GMT
I haven't watched MLP since the end of 2013, I think. I'm not sure whether I'll get back into it or not
Isn't Twilight an alicorn now or something?
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Post by Neptz on Apr 25, 2016 23:21:01 GMT
I stopped watching MLP once I got into Homestuck. The fanbase was wearing me down, and I thought the show was getting very boring, and by the point I stopped I was only skipping forwards to the end and start of each season to see what villains they introduce this time, since I always thought they were more interesting.
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Post by sigh on Apr 25, 2016 23:23:27 GMT
Twilight is indeed now an alicorn, but I'd say that's only like the 2nd or 3rd craziest thing you would have missed since then. One in particular that's pretty up there was a Weird Al episode, that one was awesome.
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Post by Sharkalien on Apr 25, 2016 23:31:28 GMT
Oh yeah, I remember when people were speculating Weird Al was going to be a guest star. Now all I see in the comment sections of his music videos is "Cheese Sandwich"?
Weird Al is incentive enough to watch the show again
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Post by Wesley Foxx on Apr 26, 2016 1:53:14 GMT
Twilight's been an alicorn for way longer than she hasn't been an alicorn at this point. The midway point was actually on the 100th episode.
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Post by Sharkalien on Apr 26, 2016 1:59:35 GMT
Robbaz is absolutely my favorite YouTuber
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Post by swampmist on Apr 26, 2016 4:15:27 GMT
So, as I have been told to do, I'm bringing my Tokatsu talk over here. And hopy shit, this year's seasons have been great so far. Zyuogher has the hilarity that we have come to expect in Sentai, a great cast of heroes and villains, and I don't want to rip my ears off every time the main character says their catchphrase! Ghost I also really like, for a couple of reasons. for one thing, it has the more serious topic, with a look at conflicting ideologies and trying to reconcile personal growth with peace and happiness for the community. Kinda like Homestuck, actually, though the themes are MOSTLY different. Also, I freakin love the suit designs this season, especially the fact that most of the forms are based off of ancient famous people and there is actual a modicum of historical context to the whole show. Finally, there's Kamen Rider Amazons, which is the gritty reboot of the older Kamen Rider Amazon. And BOY HOUDY does it do the gritty-realism well. It's kinda like a resident evil plotline in a way, except instead of the infected becoming mindless giga-zombies, they become horrible bug and reptile monsters that are made up of cells that specifically devour human proteins and cells. It's creepy, has a great topic with the Wildness VS Civilization angle, and the actions scenes are gory and beautiful. So yeah, fanboy rant over. Anyone else enjoying what Toei is giving us this season?
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Post by Billiards Slick on Apr 26, 2016 4:57:53 GMT
As I mentioned, on the tokusatsu front I'm enjoying Zyuohger a lot. The designs aren't very good, but the characters are solid, the fights are great, and it's just been a pretty impressive show in general. Maybe I'm biased because this is my first sentai show, but I like it a lot. Ghost is kind of all over the place, it has a lot of good ideas and concepts but the execution could be better oftentimes. For every episode I do really like there's half a dozen that kinda make me groan. (the comedy relief is just not good. well, cubi was alright, but onari can go fuck himself) And it changes tracks so often that it's hard to tell what they were going for some times, and a ton of stuff is just left unexplained. And the main characters aren't very charismatic. But, I do absolutely adore its designs, both of the villains and the Riders. The historical motifs through hoodies are great, and I love the mask designs. I don't even like the show that much, but I have bought so many Eyecons.
Amazons is great. It's a nice throwback both to one of my favorite Showa Riders and the early days of the Heisei era. It's gritty, it's bloody, it's Amazon, it's awesome. Amazon Alpha is one of the best designs to ever come out of Kamen Rider. It's just really good.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 26, 2016 14:22:38 GMT
So, as I have been told to do, I'm bringing my Tokatsu talk over here. And hopy shit, this year's seasons have been great so far. Zyuogher has the hilarity that we have come to expect in Sentai, a great cast of heroes and villains, and I don't want to rip my ears off every time the main character says their catchphrase! Ghost I also really like, for a couple of reasons. for one thing, it has the more serious topic, with a look at conflicting ideologies and trying to reconcile personal growth with peace and happiness for the community. Kinda like Homestuck, actually, though the themes are MOSTLY different. Also, I freakin love the suit designs this season, especially the fact that most of the forms are based off of ancient famous people and there is actual a modicum of historical context to the whole show. Finally, there's Kamen Rider Amazons, which is the gritty reboot of the older Kamen Rider Amazon. And BOY HOUDY does it do the gritty-realism well. It's kinda like a resident evil plotline in a way, except instead of the infected becoming mindless giga-zombies, they become horrible bug and reptile monsters that are made up of cells that specifically devour human proteins and cells. It's creepy, has a great topic with the Wildness VS Civilization angle, and the actions scenes are gory and beautiful. So yeah, fanboy rant over. Anyone else enjoying what Toei is giving us this season? Yes! Although I haven't had the time to watch Amazons (again 1 hour episodes D: ) The new form they gave Specter recently was rad, too. Can't wait for Ghost's final form.
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Post by sawkinator on Apr 27, 2016 18:36:05 GMT
I stopped watching MLP once I got into Homestuck. The fanbase was wearing me down, and I thought the show was getting very boring, and by the point I stopped I was only skipping forwards to the end and start of each season to see what villains they introduce this time, since I always thought they were more interesting. Yeah, I stopped watching MLP halfway through season 5. A big chunk of the fandom is pretty gross and gives the rest of the fandom a really bad rap and I just got really tired of it. :/ Plus as I started watching other shows like GF and SU I kinda realized that MLP's writing and stories were... never actually that great? I mean MLP's target audience is younger so that might be part of it, but there's so many episodes with plot holes, plot devices, poorly-thought-out character motivations, and then the huge disparity in the characterizations of the main cast (like Spike and Applejack get repeatedly shafted). Plus the pacing of season premieres/finales was always awkward imo, which is a big letdown since they're supposed to be the most important episodes.
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Post by Sharkalien on Apr 28, 2016 2:42:39 GMT
I just finished watching "The Master of Disguise" movie
I... I don't think I can ever watch another movie ever again
How can you top the pinnacle of modern cinema?
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Post by sigh on Apr 28, 2016 3:31:14 GMT
The point of MLP isn't the stories in and of themselves, it's much more about the characters and actual non-sarcastic, specific morals like GF and SU do. If you go into it expecting a season-long moral then you're going into it for the wrong reasons, as it's very much a slice-of-life show.
I mean yeah the openers and finales have always been big and boisterous, but even those are meant to be more or less self-contained stories. Continuity is nice and it's actually gotten a lot better about that in the later seasons, but again that's not the point of the series. Also anyone who didn't tear up a little at the CMC episode is a monster.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 28, 2016 14:41:55 GMT
I was into MLP for about a year from 2013-14, and if not for the fanbase there's no way in hell I would've given a shit about the show. Also my family didn't like that I was into it. I still think it's a decent show with some good moments, but you have to understand it's still a little kids' show so of course there will be dumb princess shit.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 28, 2016 15:38:24 GMT
The point of MLP isn't the stories in and of themselves, it's much more about the characters and actual non-sarcastic, specific morals like GF and SU do. If you go into it expecting a season-long moral then you're going into it for the wrong reasons, as it's very much a slice-of-life show. I mean yeah the openers and finales have always been big and boisterous, but even those are meant to be more or less self-contained stories. Continuity is nice and it's actually gotten a lot better about that in the later seasons, but again that's not the point of the series. Also anyone who didn't tear up a little at the CMC episode is a monster. I think a lot of people like it SU more because of social justice memes and the season long morals, yeah. It teaches some stuff that SU's fanbase is crazy about. I didn't think GF was talked about that much, although it was pretty popular. I think SU just overtook it though.
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Post by sawkinator on Apr 28, 2016 18:20:36 GMT
The point of MLP isn't the stories in and of themselves, it's much more about the characters and actual non-sarcastic, specific morals like GF and SU do. If you go into it expecting a season-long moral then you're going into it for the wrong reasons, as it's very much a slice-of-life show. I mean yeah the openers and finales have always been big and boisterous, but even those are meant to be more or less self-contained stories. Continuity is nice and it's actually gotten a lot better about that in the later seasons, but again that's not the point of the series. Also anyone who didn't tear up a little at the CMC episode is a monster. That's the thing though, a lot of the characters get the short end of the stick in the writing. And idk why you're pointing out 'non-sarcastic' morals when I never mentioned anything about wanting sarcasm or non-obvious morals. :U (or even season-long morals, where are you getting this) And the show is definitely trying to incorporate season-long arcs much more now but it has done it really awkwardly, such as Season 3. There was like... no mention of the keys and such outside of the episodes specifically about them. Certainly even young kids deserve more coherent stories than that. That was a thing with Gravity Falls - Alex Hirsch wanted people to know that he believed kids are smarter than lots of people give them credit for by incorporating the ciphers and codes and I think that really panned out for him. As for 'dumb princess shit'... I feel like you could discuss the sexist undertones of expecting lower quality because the show is mostly aimed at girls and has mostly female characters, but that's a whole can of worms not for this thread and if anyone tries to call 'SJW bullshit' on me I will punch you I s2g
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Post by Wesley Foxx on Apr 28, 2016 19:17:40 GMT
Yeah, no, the fandom isn't any worse than any other cartoon fandom, gonna have to call bullshit on that. Every single fandom has toxic, obnoxious, perverted, etc. communities. You can either ignore them, find a less awful place to engage in the community, or just let people ruin the show for you. (Yes, it is your choice. Just watch the show by yourself if you can't cope.)
Complaining about fans of MLP turning you off of the fandom, while saying you enjoy SU, on a Homestuck forum, that's laughably hypocritical.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 28, 2016 20:06:48 GMT
The point of MLP isn't the stories in and of themselves, it's much more about the characters and actual non-sarcastic, specific morals like GF and SU do. If you go into it expecting a season-long moral then you're going into it for the wrong reasons, as it's very much a slice-of-life show. I mean yeah the openers and finales have always been big and boisterous, but even those are meant to be more or less self-contained stories. Continuity is nice and it's actually gotten a lot better about that in the later seasons, but again that's not the point of the series. Also anyone who didn't tear up a little at the CMC episode is a monster. That's the thing though, a lot of the characters get the short end of the stick in the writing. And idk why you're pointing out 'non-sarcastic' morals when I never mentioned anything about wanting sarcasm or non-obvious morals. :U (or even season-long morals, where are you getting this) And the show is definitely trying to incorporate season-long arcs much more now but it has done it really awkwardly, such as Season 3. There was like... no mention of the keys and such outside of the episodes specifically about them. Certainly even young kids deserve more coherent stories than that. That was a thing with Gravity Falls - Alex Hirsch wanted people to know that he believed kids are smarter than lots of people give them credit for by incorporating the ciphers and codes and I think that really panned out for him. As for 'dumb princess shit'... I feel like you could discuss the sexist undertones of expecting lower quality because the show is mostly aimed at girls and has mostly female characters, but that's a whole can of worms not for this thread and if anyone tries to call 'SJW bullshit' on me I will punch you I s2gI don't think he was implying he was expecting lower quality, more that it's just 'dumb princess shit' And dude yeah, it's 'dumb princess shit'. It's clearly very leaning towards girl stuff and not generally gender neutral like SU I'd say the same towards a lot of other stuff, like Ben 10 which is dumb hero shit, but it's nowhere as popular with adults which I say is a overwhelming success since it's aimed at kids. Yeah, no, the fandom isn't any worse than any other cartoon fandom, gonna have to call bullshit on that. Every single fandom has toxic, obnoxious, perverted, etc. communities. You can either ignore them, find a less awful place to engage in the community, or just let people ruin the show for you. (Yes, it is your choice. Just watch the show by yourself if you can't cope.) Complaining about fans of MLP turning you off of the fandom, while saying you enjoy SU, on a Homestuck forum, that's laughably hypocritical. Correct, but I certainly had a lot of run-ins with the louder shittier minority of the fandom that certainly made me want to watch it way less. Everything that I enjoyed looked pretty cringy too, and I couldn't keep myself from facepalming whenever I saw a 'ponified' character. I don't think I've ever seen a 'gemified' character or a 'trollified' character that's from a different series from the fandom
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Post by Sharkalien on Apr 28, 2016 20:42:36 GMT
Oh dude, I used to love Ben 10!
Emphasis on "used to"
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Post by sigh on Apr 28, 2016 20:45:23 GMT
That seems like an incredibly shallow reason to dislike a fanbase, especially given that at the very least "trollified" versions of other characters were very much a thing, or at the very least SBURB-ified versions of real people were. Need I remind everyone here of K$shastuck? (not sure if I spelled that right)
Regardless, the bit I mentioned about "non-sarcastic morals" is pointed much more at Gravity Falls itself than anything you were talking about yourself, all too often in that show the moral of the episode was either not stated, implied to go one way but then subverted, or a moral was given that's actually terrible life advice as a way to satirize shows that try to give morals. That's not to say these are bad things, GF is intended to be more on the subversive, millennial comedy side of things, but that doesn't change the fact that is what it did.
Steven Universe, on the other hand, goes in the complete opposite direction by giving incredibly heartfelt messages for us to take home, but they're interwoven into the story and hardly ever spoken aloud as the be-all message for us to take away from it. This is largely due to the down-to-earth nature of the show, as it's meant to be a lot more realistic in its approach to certain subject matters and more often than not shows us that the morals certain characters WOULD give us at the end of an episode largely depend on their biases and what they as a character would take away from that situation.
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Post by PlatinumUmbreon on Apr 28, 2016 20:52:57 GMT
I used to be a bigger pegasister, and don't get me wrong, I made some good friends in the fandom. But I'm starting to dislike the bad parts of the fandom, especially when I'm looking at images of a particular character and suddenly I find one bad picture, the interpretation of which I'll leave up to you.
I understand your feelings about ponifying. I'll admit it, I'll come up with ponifications in my head (I'm so sorry for that, I seriously am), but I never draw them and display them on the Internet.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 28, 2016 21:01:30 GMT
That seems like an incredibly shallow reason to dislike a fanbase, especially given that at the very least "trollified" versions of other characters were very much a thing, or at the very least SBURB-ified versions of real people were. Need I remind everyone here of K$shastuck? (not sure if I spelled that right) Regardless, the bit I mentioned about "non-sarcastic morals" is pointed much more at Gravity Falls itself than anything you were talking about yourself, all too often in that show the moral of the episode was either not stated, implied to go one way but then subverted, or a moral was given that's actually terrible life advice as a way to satirize shows that try to give morals. That's not to say these are bad things, GF is intended to be more on the subversive, millennial comedy side of things, but that doesn't change the fact that is what it did. Steven Universe, on the other hand, goes in the complete opposite direction by giving incredibly heartfelt messages for us to take home, but they're interwoven into the story and hardly ever spoken aloud as the be-all message for us to take away from it. This is largely due to the down-to-earth nature of the show, as it's meant to be a lot more realistic in its approach to certain subject matters and more often than not shows us that the morals certain characters WOULD give us at the end of an episode largely depend on their biases and what they as a character would take away from that situation. It is one of my reasons, not the only one. I'm pretty sure Ke$hastuck was a joke, or at the very least it wasn't pure cancer. I like Gravity Falls, it's pretty cool, but only so because of the monsters, the ciphers and riddles and just some of the great ideas in general. I don't think I would like Steven Universe, seeing from what I've seen of it. It's just not my thing. I like mysteries, I like horror, I like good thinking and planning and I like magic.
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Post by swampmist on Apr 28, 2016 21:06:26 GMT
Sorry to derail a bit, but just saw the newest episode of Ghost. Hoooooooooooooopy shit, deep specter is THE SHIT.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 28, 2016 21:09:47 GMT
Sorry to derail a bit, but just saw the newest episode of Ghost. Hoooooooooooooopy shit, deep specter is THE SHIT. Overtime always uploads their episodes 2/3 days after their release on Sundays, with Zyuohger coming before, 1 day after it's RAW release.
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Post by sigh on Apr 28, 2016 21:15:19 GMT
Really though? Calling creative endeavors "cancer"? Are we still doing that? I mean, personally I'd like to think that as long as the end product is made in earnest and isn't intending to be inflammatory or negative in relation to one of the two properties being made to cross over, that should be looked at as a good thing, but apparently we can't or shouldn't do that?
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