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Post by spadesnoir1234 on Sept 26, 2016 20:20:27 GMT
HI! It's been a while since I finished reading HS, but I suddenly had this idea for a thread:
Are there any plotlines that Hussie didn't follow upon that no one sems to remember? Like, everyone always talks about the obvious stuff (the Masterpiece, the white frog that Jade found...) but, considering how vast Homestuck s, I wouldn't be surprised if there were any dropped plotlines that no one is discussing. Yes, I know it's been months since the comic ended, but I didn't see any thread about this so I though I might as well make it myself.
For exemple: Kartkat and Terezi's "little moment" from page 4475. It got mentioned in one pesterlog... just to never be referenced again. While I wasn't expecting Hussie to give us all the details, it would have been nice to have ad at least a vague idea of what the hell happened, specially since different interpretations of that pesterlog result in very different views of their relationship. And, for some reason, no one seems to mention this when discussing things that Hussie forgot to resolve.
Can you guys thing of anthing else?
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Post by imglasses on Sept 26, 2016 21:34:10 GMT
Caliborn mentioned Erisolsprite from the pre-retcon session in a conversation, and Calliope's book had no record of Vriska being revived, implying that the cherubs were somehow pre-retcon. But then that was never explained.
Also I wanted an explanation for why Caliborn's planet had technology that let him control the narrative of Homestuck itself. And why Hussie abruptly stopped talking to him in ~A6I5.
Also 10,000 other things, but those are the first two I thought of.
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Post by cookiefonster on Sept 26, 2016 21:52:17 GMT
GCat's origins.
I know there's hints of what happened but that still leaves a lot of open questions, like what caused Jake to write the code and no explicit showing of what the cat was cloned from.
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Post by obsidalicious on Sept 26, 2016 21:55:56 GMT
Did Lil Seb have any purpose or meaning to Caliborn or his Session? All I remember is that he was just hanging around the whole time like the world's least subtle plot device. But then he wasn't. Also, it was causally mentioned that there was a Gl'bgolyb 2.0 that the Condesce somehow got her hands on and kept around despite the beastie only inconveniencing her. But besides that one mention, nothing was ever said of her, where she came from, what happened to her etc. Here's a minor one: How did the frog temple get from the B2 Session to B2 Earth? Rose explicitly mentioned that a special arrangement would have to be sorted out, so they were aware it had to be done, but it looks like the gang went from Collide straight into Act 7 with nothing in between and no looking back. What bugs me the most about it is how easily it could've been resolved: You have a meteor that needs to get somewhere, and you have a big fight scene with someone known for throwing planets around. The script practically writes itself. GCat's origins. I know there's hints of what happened but that still leaves a lot of open questions, like what caused Jake to write the code and no explicit showing of what the cat was cloned from. Presumably Jake just wrote the code due to the same mysterious forces that led all the other players to write all of their various codes. Plus, it's rather obvious that GCat's catness was sourced from Jasper/Frigglish or any of the other 700 cats Roxy had. I don't think GCat's origins are that big of a deal.
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Post by cookiefonster on Sept 26, 2016 22:20:45 GMT
GCat's origins. I know there's hints of what happened but that still leaves a lot of open questions, like what caused Jake to write the code and no explicit showing of what the cat was cloned from. Presumably Jake just wrote the code due to the same mysterious forces that led all the other players to write all of their various codes. Plus, it's rather obvious that GCat's catness was sourced from Jasper/Frigglish or any of the other 700 cats Roxy had. I don't think GCat's origins are that big of a deal. Mysterious forces? In Rose's case it was because of Jaspers whispering to her. In the trolls' cases I can't remember what it was. But still, it always seems to vary.
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Post by obsidalicious on Sept 27, 2016 0:19:13 GMT
Presumably Jake just wrote the code due to the same mysterious forces that led all the other players to write all of their various codes. Plus, it's rather obvious that GCat's catness was sourced from Jasper/Frigglish or any of the other 700 cats Roxy had. I don't think GCat's origins are that big of a deal. Mysterious forces? In Rose's case it was because of Jaspers whispering to her. In the trolls' cases I can't remember what it was. But still, it always seems to vary. I don't think there was anything in particular that triggered the Trolls, there was just an alt-Timeline where people wrote shit in books. And Jasper didn't actually whisper the code to Rose, he's a cat. His 'meow' simply triggered the information that I suspect was already buried deep in her subconscious and gave her a convenient format to express it in. In all cases, it appears that Players have the information buried deep in their subconscious, seemingly from a young age. I suspect that it's just one of the things that Sburb does as part of its Game Cycle and/or the First Guardian does it somehow for the sake of ensuring their own existence. The same probably goes for Jake, and whatever event actually triggered his unwoken dreamself to write it out isn't actually that significant.
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Post by heyitskane on Sept 27, 2016 1:30:47 GMT
Obviously we needed the 10000 page fedorafreak intermission.
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Post by Blaperile on Sept 28, 2016 17:23:40 GMT
I've got a list with a bunch of these things. In Rose's case it was because of Jaspers whispering to her. In the trolls' cases I can't remember what it was. But still, it always seems to vary. What triggered the Trolls (the flarping ones at least) was the revenge cycle. Tavros was triggered after being paralyzed, Aradia after being killed, Vriska after losing her vision 8-fold and arm, and Terezi after being blinded. Meanwhile that Doomed Gamzee seemed to be triggered by his going insane or something. I don't think there was anything in particular that triggered the Trolls, there was just an alt-Timeline where people wrote shit in books. Actually, the Aradia, Tavros, Vriska and Terezi who wrote in their flarping books were all from the Alpha timeline. Gamzee was the only doomed person to write a code in a book in that session.
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Post by obsidalicious on Sept 29, 2016 5:04:14 GMT
Was anyone else expecting Ms. Paint to have a greater purpose to the Story? I know she was brought in just as a reference to a joke someone made about how MSPaint could be read as Ms. Paint, but I didn't think that it'd really be Hussie's style to introduce such a character without having some sort of point in mind. Y'know, something other than just being Jack's Waifu.
Oh, and I guess one could argue that the time Spades Slick explicitly pointed out the Snowman pin in Die's Doll and the Weird ramifications of it could be dropped foreshadowing, but I personally would be happy to accept that it was just a clumsy way of Hussie explaining to us that Spades Slick has no intention of messing with it.
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Post by The One Guy on Sept 29, 2016 15:39:46 GMT
Was anyone else expecting Ms. Paint to have a greater purpose to the Story? I know she was brought in just as a reference to a joke someone made about how MSPaint could be read as Ms. Paint, but I didn't think that it'd really be Hussie's style to introduce such a character without having some sort of point in mind. Y'know, something other than just being Jack's Waifu. Well, Hussie did introduce an entire group of 10 trolls that had little berring on the plot. Wasn't that forshadowing of how killing her destroys the universe? Unless I'm remembering things wrong, at that point in the story we don't know that and are left wondering why he won't mess with it.
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Post by eerr on Sept 29, 2016 15:56:28 GMT
No at that point the player makes the suggestion "Quickly insert and replace Snowman's pin" I'm pretty sure at that point we already heard that killing Snowman destroys the universe.
At least, that's what I remember.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 15:56:55 GMT
Was anyone else expecting Ms. Paint to have a greater purpose to the Story? I know she was brought in just as a reference to a joke someone made about how MSPaint could be read as Ms. Paint, but I didn't think that it'd really be Hussie's style to introduce such a character without having some sort of point in mind. Y'know, something other than just being Jack's Waifu. Well, Hussie did introduce an entire group of 10 trolls that had little berring on the plot. Wasn't that forshadowing of how killing her destroys the universe? Unless I'm remembering things wrong, at that point in the story we don't know that and are left wondering why he won't mess with it. no, that one is from a6i5 when he pulls out every pin but hers edit: ninja'd, kinda?..
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Post by cookiefonster on Sept 29, 2016 15:57:02 GMT
Wasn't that forshadowing of how killing her destroys the universe? Unless I'm remembering things wrong, at that point in the story we don't know that and are left wondering why he won't mess with it. Actually, that was said way after Snowman was killed.
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Post by mementovivere on Sept 29, 2016 16:04:12 GMT
Was anyone else expecting Ms. Paint to have a greater purpose to the Story? I know she was brought in just as a reference to a joke someone made about how MSPaint could be read as Ms. Paint, but I didn't think that it'd really be Hussie's style to introduce such a character without having some sort of point in mind. Y'know, something other than just being Jack's Waifu. Oh, and I guess one could argue that the time Spades Slick explicitly pointed out the Snowman pin in Die's Doll and the Weird ramifications of it could be dropped foreshadowing, but I personally would be happy to accept that it was just a clumsy way of Hussie explaining to us that Spades Slick has no intention of messing with it. While before I would have agreed with you about it not being Hussie's style, in retrospect I think a lot of us (myself definitely included) underestimated just how many things were likely only included for the sake of simple jokes or fanservice, and not because they were leading up to some greater purpose like many people were anticipating. I think expecting that EVERYTHING would be significant is a big part of why a lot of people were disappointed by the ending. And there's really nothing wrong with writing a story with some throwaway jokes in it... we just got so accustomed to the jokes which DID end up having a greater purpose in the long run that we came to expect it for everything. Stuff like the Zilly weapons, tiny Maplehoof (aka Dirk's Little Pony), MS Paint, Alpha trolls, etc are probably an example of this. Some things I don't think are really "dropped plotlines" so much as things that we're expected to infer for ourselves (Jake's journal would have been good to get a solid explanation for, but since we never did we can probably guess that it was something mundane like a dog barked at him), or which were meant to be mysterious (like Caliborn's planet). Stuff like Karkat and Terezi's "moment" is probably supposed to be more of an intimate off-screen thing. The story would be even more bloated than it is if we covered every little thing in-depth. Here's one though: Squarewave and Sawtooth kinda vanished after a while, which is sad enough, but I'm especially disappointed that Zillywave and Sawhoo never showed up once after their creation, even if it were just to show up briefly in the background during Collide or something. Was the point of that just more trickster randomness? At least we got to see Dirk wielding a Fancy Santa. I also really wanted to see the sucker juju come back and superpower the villains in the final battle (making the Condesce into a literal Batterwitch or Lord English into Big Cal) but I'm sure plenty of people are glad that the trickster shit was truly over forever Also I really wanted Die's Doll to end up coming back into play (I still think it would have been cool and thematic for Vriska to pull the 8-ball pin and br8k the furthest ring around the green sun due to causality giving up entirely) but in retrospect Slick's line about it was probably just meant to be an explanation for why it would be a bad idea to do that.
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Post by The One Guy on Sept 29, 2016 17:16:46 GMT
no, that one is from a6i5 when he pulls out every pin but hers edit: ninja'd, kinda?.. Ah, I forgot about that bit; I was thinking of this. Which as I've discovered in looking for it is literally two pages before it's revealed that killing SnOwman destroys the universe.
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Post by sparkeletran on Oct 1, 2016 22:21:40 GMT
Did Lil Seb have any purpose or meaning to Caliborn or his Session? All I remember is that he was just hanging around the whole time like the world's least subtle plot device. But then he wasn't. I remember there were theories that ARquius was hidden inside Lil Seb, since the ear and glasses mirror one another's or something and he just popped up outta nowhere in the masterpiece. Nothing concrete, though.
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Post by vaiyt on Oct 16, 2016 17:59:27 GMT
Also I wanted an explanation for why Caliborn's planet had technology that let him control the narrative of Homestuck itself. And why Hussie abruptly stopped talking to him in ~A6I5. I always thought Hussie's planet was Future Earth, which would explain why the curtain dealies ended up in Caliborn's session. Since Hussie is the creator of the comic, it would make sense that he got access to the same capabilities. Huh. I think Hussie stopped talking to Caliborn because at that point Caliborn's future self had already gone to the past and killed Hussie. Why didn't Caliborn try to kill Hussie earlier to spare himself extra annoyance? Because he saw himself do it in the monitors, and didn't even imagine an alternative. =P
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Post by obsidalicious on Oct 31, 2016 4:29:18 GMT
In Myststuck, we see Jane come across various tablets left by the long dead consort, some of which describe prophecies from Hemera. One of them describes the order in which the planets, and thus the players, appear in the session. Another talks about the lanterns also found on LoCaH and in what order they will extinguish and reignite.
Both of those prophecies ended up being wrong. The surface explanation is that Dirk changed up the plans with the other B2 kids and that altered what happened. But after all the wisdom and powers of prescience and so forth we've seen from Denizens, do we really believe that something as trivial and mundane as Dirk's ambitions would be enough to flummox a Denizen? I sure didn't, and I was sure that those incorrect prophecies would come to mean something later down the line. I especially thought that as the Retcon was unfolded, the effects of it would, among other things, alter the B2 session enough to make those prophecies come to pass correctly and thus we would have had a very long term piece of foreshadowing for the Retcon as well as an earlier insight into just how knowledgeable the Denizens really are.
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Post by sporkaganza on Nov 2, 2016 2:42:52 GMT
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Post by Wessolf27 on Nov 2, 2016 16:44:40 GMT
Well, we never did get to know much about the other Denizens. Rose was never able to Play the Rain on her land, and Dave was supposed to have some kind of big important meeting with Hephaestus that never seemed to have materialized in the end. Along with that, I guess some people expected that since Roxy was able to meet up with Nix, then perhaps Jane would also meet with Hemera. Out of all the eight kids, only John and Jade seemed to have done anything in regards to their quests.
Speaking of which, I'm pretty disappointed at how very little we got to see of Jane's conversation with Nannasprite (x2) after their prank. Perhaps it might just have been me, but I had thought that they could've given Jane a clearer answer to her own life other than just Nannasprite telling Jane about how proud she is seeing her alternate universe self doing the sort of things she did. (Heck, in general, I'm a little disappointed at how Jane's arc was reduced to a footnote ever since the B1 Kids came to the picture. Jane's exclusion from John's own birthday aside.)
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Post by obsidalicious on Jan 4, 2017 5:27:15 GMT
Hey who remembers Terezi: Remem8er?
Anybody figure out what that scene was about yet? Did Terezi actually, properly unlock her Mind powers, or was that just a glorified scene transition? Did all the Pre-Retcon Ghost die to English, or was that just background decoration. Was anyone looking for some closure on Terezi's character development actually satisfied by the closure given for the other Terezi?
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Post by mementovivere on Jan 4, 2017 14:51:11 GMT
Hey who remembers Terezi: Remem8er? Anybody figure out what that scene was about yet? Did Terezi actually, properly unlock her Mind powers, or was that just a glorified scene transition? Did all the Pre-Retcon Ghost die to English, or was that just background decoration. Was anyone looking for some closure on Terezi's character development actually satisfied by the closure given for the other Terezi? Until we see some other concrete effects of it mind-powers-wise (which does seem to be implied by Terezi doing a mind-y thing), I'm thinking that for now it mostly serves as a sort of bittersweet acknowledgement/memorial of all the doomed and dead people who didn't make it to the end. They may be gone, but they're not forgotten, and their lives still mattered as individuals even if they didn't make it to the end of this fucked up game. As for whether the ghosts died, I guess we'll have to see what happens with the Epilogue and the black hole that all the other ghosts keep falling into. I'm also holding off on giving a judgment on Terezi's character development until seeing how her quest for Vriska ends up. If she find out that she DID inherit her pre-retcon memories, it may cast her search in a different light.
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Post by Blaperile on Jan 5, 2017 17:41:41 GMT
Was anyone else expecting Ms. Paint to have a greater purpose to the Story? I know she was brought in just as a reference to a joke someone made about how MSPaint could be read as Ms. Paint, but I didn't think that it'd really be Hussie's style to introduce such a character without having some sort of point in mind. Y'know, something other than just being Jack's Waifu. I never really had that feeling about Ms. Paint. I always thought she wouldn't really have a greater purpose. I mean, the greatest purpose I imagined her having, once Andrew died and she, Spades Slick and The Felt left for the B2 session, was her helping the other Exiles to rebuild civilization in Universe C. Which didn't happen, but it didn't bother me too much. Also, that time when Lord English first popped up at Andrew's place and Ms. Paint was face-to-face with him, I kind of thought she'd die there instead of Andrew.
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Post by wheals on Jan 6, 2017 13:56:46 GMT
Until we see some other concrete effects of it mind-powers-wise (which does seem to be implied by Terezi doing a mind-y thing), I'm thinking that for now it mostly serves as a sort of bittersweet acknowledgement/memorial of all the doomed and dead people who didn't make it to the end. They may be gone, but they're not forgotten, and their lives still mattered as individuals even if they didn't make it to the end of this fucked up game. As for whether the ghosts died, I guess we'll have to see what happens with the Epilogue and the black hole that all the other ghosts keep falling into. I'm also holding off on giving a judgment on Terezi's character development until seeing how her quest for Vriska ends up. If she find out that she DID inherit her pre-retcon memories, it may cast her search in a different light. I agree. As I saw someone put it: Act 7 is the happy ending for the characters that survive, terezi: remem8er is the reminder of the many others who sacrificed to get them there. It is funny that the actual plot relevance of it is left ambiguous, so far at least.
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