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Post by digiornospizza on Oct 24, 2016 23:59:26 GMT
The question is: How did the Utopian Earth we see in Act 7/Snapchat end up as the wasteland it is by Caliborn's time. Is it an alt-timeline where Universe C was made, but the kids didn't make it there, possibly what would've happened post-Game Over were it not for the retcon? Or maybe the kids are fully incompetent as rulers and their civilisation collapses with everyone going extinct before the Cherubs are conceived. yes, thanks for elaborating. i was struggling to find words to use. i wonder if we will ever see gamzee again. (although i am aware he was last seen on lotak)
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Post by imglasses on Oct 24, 2016 23:59:44 GMT
Caliborn was born in Universe C. Which is where B2 Earth is now. i'm not sure i understand. The cherubs were born and raised in the universe that was created in Act 7, the universe that the kids are in now. The cherubs live on the same Earth that the kids are on now, but far in the future, when civilization has died out and the sun has grown into a red giant. Hussie explicitly told us this during his conversations with Caliborn, I think. And it's obvious from the fact that Calliope and Caliborn saw post-scratch Dave's shitty statues of liberty on their planet, which we can see now.
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Post by pherociousDuodecim on Oct 25, 2016 0:00:16 GMT
Don't use snapchat, but this is a neat idea from the Huss.
Also confirmed for Earth/Universe/Whatever C.
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Post by Gab on Oct 25, 2016 0:02:56 GMT
Caliborn was born in Universe C. Which is where B2 Earth is now. Oh yeah, I forgot that's actually B2 Earth, not a new iteration. Which makes the whole Earth C name even stranger. It's still cool though. The question is: How did the Utopian Earth we see in Act 7/Snapchat end up as the wasteland it is by Caliborn's time. Is it an alt-timeline where Universe C was made, but the kids didn't make it there, possibly what would've happened post-Game Over were it not for the retcon? Or maybe the kids are fully incompetent as rulers and their civilisation collapses with everyone going extinct before the Cherubs are conceived. Time wracks the greatest of civilizations. All things return to dust, given enough time. That sure doesn't look like a red sun Earth is orbiting, so it's probably going to be around for a while.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 0:04:05 GMT
The question is: How did the Utopian Earth we see in Act 7/Snapchat end up as the wasteland it is by Caliborn's time. Is it an alt-timeline where Universe C was made, but the kids didn't make it there, possibly what would've happened post-Game Over were it not for the retcon? Or maybe the kids are fully incompetent as rulers and their civilisation collapses with everyone going extinct before the Cherubs are conceived. Earth (our Earth, right now) will be uninhabitable in about a billion years, give or take, because the Sun is slowly heating up. So, you know, that happened, is my guess. EDIT: TEREZI SIGHTED!
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Post by heyitskane on Oct 25, 2016 0:13:02 GMT
Huh... i guess she didnt vanish from existance inexplicably
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Post by obsidalicious on Oct 25, 2016 0:15:59 GMT
Time wracks the greatest of civilizations. All things return to dust, given enough time. That sure doesn't look like a red sun Earth is orbiting, so it's probably going to be around for a while. Earth (our Earth, right now) will be uninhabitable in about a billion years, give or take, because the Sun is slowly heating up. So, you know, that happened, is my guess. Considering that this particular civilisation has a pantheon of actual immortals at the helm, I'm not sure that the trend set by our history still applies. Also, let's not forget that one member of said pantheon can move planets around with ease. If the expansion of the sun was threatening the planet, it'd be trivial for Jade to just alter its orbit into the new goldilocks zone, or even a new star system. Also add in the fact that this civilisation is starting out more technologically advanced, and presumably more united than we ever were. Our ancient civilisations are all but forgotten because war/politics dissolved the people and the things they made deteriorated over the centuries, but neither of those things would apply to this civilisation(presuming the pantheon to be at least somewhat competent)
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Post by foodman on Oct 25, 2016 0:19:51 GMT
(latest pic is up ill have it up soon as i can get this thing to cooperate) Update 8
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 0:25:46 GMT
Time wracks the greatest of civilizations. All things return to dust, given enough time. That sure doesn't look like a red sun Earth is orbiting, so it's probably going to be around for a while. Earth (our Earth, right now) will be uninhabitable in about a billion years, give or take, because the Sun is slowly heating up. So, you know, that happened, is my guess. Considering that this particular civilisation has a pantheon of actual immortals at the helm, I'm not sure that the trend set by our history still applies. Also, let's not forget that one member of said pantheon can move planets around with ease. If the expansion of the sun was threatening the planet, it'd be trivial for Jade to just alter its orbit into the new goldilocks zone, or even a new star system. Also add in the fact that this civilisation is starting out more technologically advanced, and presumably more united than we ever were. Our ancient civilisations are all but forgotten because war/politics dissolved the people and the things they made deteriorated over the centuries, but neither of those things would apply to this civilisation(presuming the pantheon to be at least somewhat competent) Alright then. What happens when Earth's core cools down and solidifies and the dynamo that creates our magnetic field stops?
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Post by Gab on Oct 25, 2016 0:30:39 GMT
All: Play a rousing game of dongskotch. Considering that this particular civilisation has a pantheon of actual immortals at the helm, I'm not sure that the trend set by our history still applies. Also, let's not forget that one member of said pantheon can move planets around with ease. If the expansion of the sun was threatening the planet, it'd be trivial for Jade to just alter its orbit into the new goldilocks zone, or even a new star system. Also add in the fact that this civilisation is starting out more technologically advanced, and presumably more united than we ever were. Our ancient civilisations are all but forgotten because war/politics dissolved the people and the things they made deteriorated over the centuries, but neither of those things would apply to this civilisation(presuming the pantheon to be at least somewhat competent) It's almost like immortality isn't really all it's cracked up to be, and nobody felt a pressing need to preserve a society cobbled together from numerous other fallen races. Or maybe the immortals were about as effective at preserving a civilization as any of the gods in human mythology. Or maybe they all died a long time ago in a fit of heroism? I don't really get what about any of this is so surprising or nonsensical. And in theory, another Sburb session could have taken place before Caliborn's time, that's a pretty surefire civilization-ender. Even if I was immortal, I don't see how or why I'd spend a significant length of time protecting just one thing. That almost seems like a waste. And come to think of it, even first guardians don't protect a planet when its time has come. Finality is not a surprise or a disaster or something to be avoided. It's as troll will smith says, For death begins with life's first breath, And life begins at touch of death.
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Post by obsidalicious on Oct 25, 2016 0:31:22 GMT
Considering that this particular civilisation has a pantheon of actual immortals at the helm, I'm not sure that the trend set by our history still applies. Also, let's not forget that one member of said pantheon can move planets around with ease. If the expansion of the sun was threatening the planet, it'd be trivial for Jade to just alter its orbit into the new goldilocks zone, or even a new star system. Also add in the fact that this civilisation is starting out more technologically advanced, and presumably more united than we ever were. Our ancient civilisations are all but forgotten because war/politics dissolved the people and the things they made deteriorated over the centuries, but neither of those things would apply to this civilisation(presuming the pantheon to be at least somewhat competent) Alright then. What happens when Earth's core cools down and solidifies and the dynamo that creates our magnetic field stops? Based on the Google Search I just did, the core cools down a whole 50-100 degrees Celsius every billion years. By the time that process has any significant effect on the planet, I'm pretty sure the meteor would've been long since eroded by then. But even if it did, like I said, literal demigods/superheroes here. Between their massive suites of powers, I'm sure there are plenty of solutions to any ecological, geological, astronomical or cosmological issues they encounter. EDIT: Are everyone's image hosting methods having a lot of compression issues, or is that Snapchat's usual quality?
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Post by imglasses on Oct 25, 2016 0:33:08 GMT
Considering that this particular civilisation has a pantheon of actual immortals at the helm, I'm not sure that the trend set by our history still applies. Also, let's not forget that one member of said pantheon can move planets around with ease. If the expansion of the sun was threatening the planet, it'd be trivial for Jade to just alter its orbit into the new goldilocks zone, or even a new star system. Also add in the fact that this civilisation is starting out more technologically advanced, and presumably more united than we ever were. Our ancient civilisations are all but forgotten because war/politics dissolved the people and the things they made deteriorated over the centuries, but neither of those things would apply to this civilisation(presuming the pantheon to be at least somewhat competent) Alright then. What happens when Earth's core cools down and solidifies and the dynamo that creates our magnetic field stops? Jade swaps Earth's core with a still-active one from another planet I think it's notable, though, that specifically the 8 immortal entities in the new universe were the ones to appear in the Masterpiece. If that happens in this timeline, then that accounts for the disappearance of the immortals, and the disappearance of the rest of civilization can be explained by sun expansion, etc. We still don't know why the kids would want to go fight Caliborn at this point, though.
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Post by obsidalicious on Oct 25, 2016 0:43:18 GMT
It's almost like immortality isn't really all it's cracked up to be, and nobody felt a pressing need to preserve a society cobbled together from numerous other fallen races. Or maybe the immortals were about as effective at preserving a civilization as any of the gods in human mythology. Or maybe they all died a long time ago in a fit of heroism? I don't really get what about any of this is so surprising or nonsensical. And in theory, another Sburb session could have taken place before Caliborn's time, that's a pretty surefire civilization-ender. Even if I was immortal, I don't see how or why I'd spend a significant length of time protecting just one thing. That almost seems like a waste. And come to think of it, even first guardians don't protect a planet when its time has come. Finality is not a surprise or a disaster or something to be avoided. It's as troll will smith says, For death begins with life's first breath, And life begins at touch of death. I find it hard to believe that every single person on the planet would all be like 'yeah, this is a half-assed society we have here. Let's all ignore our base instincts of survival and reproduction and just all fade into oblivion." Because as actual!Jeff Goldblum said "Life, uh, finds a way" and even with no gods to help them, and even against a suite of disasters eliminating life entirely is extremely difficult. Just look at how many extinction events and planetary upheavals Earth has had. As for the reckoning: Do you really think that a mere meteor shower would be a problem for a civilisation that is so Technologically Advanced and/or Guarded by Demigods and/or Know about Sburb and are thus prepared for it? I think it's notable, though, that specifically the 8 immortal entities in the new universe were the ones to appear in the Masterpiece. If that happens in this timeline, then that accounts for the disappearance of the immortals, and the disappearance of the rest of civilization can be explained by sun expansion, etc. We still don't know why the kids would want to go fight Caliborn at this point, though. Yes, that is a distinct and likely possibility, but I personally am chalking up such a scenario under the 'incompetent immortal' category.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 0:44:27 GMT
Alright then. What happens when Earth's core cools down and solidifies and the dynamo that creates our magnetic field stops? Based on the Google Search I just did, the core cools down a whole 50-100 degrees Celsius every billion years. By the time that process has any significant effect on the planet, I'm pretty sure the meteor would've been long since eroded by then. But even if it did, like I said, literal demigods/superheroes here. Between their massive suites of powers, I'm sure there are plenty of solutions to any ecological, geological, astronomical or cosmological issues they encounter. EDIT: Are everyone's image hosting methods having a lot of compression issues, or is that Snapchat's usual quality? Actually, according to my google search, we only have a few billion years. (The Inner core is growing at a rate of one millimeter per year, and the outer core is 2,300,000 millimeters thick.)
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Post by crusadercaster on Oct 25, 2016 0:45:01 GMT
Alright then. What happens when Earth's core cools down and solidifies and the dynamo that creates our magnetic field stops? Jade swaps Earth's core with a still-active one from another planet I think it's notable, though, that specifically the 8 immortal entities in the new universe were the ones to appear in the Masterpiece. If that happens in this timeline, then that accounts for the disappearance of the immortals, and the disappearance of the rest of civilization can be explained by sun expansion, etc. We still don't know why the kids would want to go fight Caliborn at this point, though. I thought act 7 implied they fought Caliborn/English THEN went to earth. And these post were sort of a continuation of that.
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Post by Gab on Oct 25, 2016 1:06:53 GMT
I find it hard to believe that every single person on the planet would all be like 'yeah, this is a half-assed society we have here. Let's all ignore our base instincts of survival and reproduction and just all fade into oblivion." Because as actual!Jeff Goldblum said "Life, uh, finds a way" and even with no gods to help them, and even against a suite of disasters eliminating life entirely is extremely difficult. Just look at how many extinction events and planetary upheavals Earth has had. You know, I suppose it is also possible the inhabitants themselves just moved to another planet once this aged one had served its purpose. The only real requisite is that there is no intelligent life on the planet, and any number of causes could result in that, with lots of wiggle room to the little details outside of that parameter. I don't know, let's ask Alternia. New panel. Yet another extremely specific event confirmed to have happened on both sides of the retcon. Also, these children are terrible at cleaning up after themselves. EDIT: Random thought, but I actually still wonder where that door leads them to. I guess a somewhat logical guess would be the center of the universe? I wonder if we'll get to see. I remember years ago I thought there might have been a space station that would allow the trolls to survey their universe. I guess that's also a somewhat valid theory.
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Post by foodman on Oct 25, 2016 1:12:31 GMT
Latest update from yours truely Update 9
k I got em more or less organized into a single album witch i will add the images to as they come out now All of the pics...I hope.Also as a side note i'll probably only post 1 more after this and then i gotta go catch some sleep because of life/;
Heading to sleep NOW because im tired I will add the rest of the pics when i next get the chance.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 1:28:06 GMT
EDIT: Random thought, but I actually still wonder where that door leads them to. I guess a somewhat logical guess would be the center of the universe? I wonder if we'll get to see. I remember years ago I thought there might have been a space station that would allow the trolls to survey their universe. I guess that's also a somewhat valid theory. There is no such thing, technically speaking, as the center of the universe. So, probably just to a random star system that is ripe for colonization.
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Post by foodman on Oct 25, 2016 1:31:24 GMT
EDIT: Random thought, but I actually still wonder where that door leads them to. I guess a somewhat logical guess would be the center of the universe? I wonder if we'll get to see. I remember years ago I thought there might have been a space station that would allow the trolls to survey their universe. I guess that's also a somewhat valid theory. There is no such thing, technically speaking, as the center of the universe. So, probably just to a random star system that is ripe for colonization. Keep in mind that the Universe is a giant frog so HERE there is a center (as much as you can get to the center of a frog?)
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 1:34:31 GMT
There is no such thing, technically speaking, as the center of the universe. So, probably just to a random star system that is ripe for colonization. Keep in mind that the Universe is a giant frog so HERE there is a center (as much as you can get to the center of a frog?) But the frog contains multiple universes.
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Post by foodman on Oct 25, 2016 1:38:28 GMT
Keep in mind that the Universe is a giant frog so HERE there is a center (as much as you can get to the center of a frog?) But the frog contains multiple universes. As such EACH of those universes would have a center (and rlly its just diff timelines of the same universe anyway?) now im REALLY going to sleep.......
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Post by mementovivere on Oct 25, 2016 1:42:43 GMT
Sudden theory on where this is going, as I was wondering where they might be headed in the meteor...
Didn't Kanaya originally say (in one of the meteor walkaround flashes I think, before Eridan hopesploded it) that she was planning on hatching the Matriorb in the core of the meteor??
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 1:45:15 GMT
Sudden theory on where this is going, as I was wondering where they might be headed in the meteor... Didn't Kanaya originally say (in one of the meteor walkaround flashes I think, before Eridan hopesploded it) that she was planning on hatching the Matriorb in the core of the meteor?? Yes. I am not sure why she would now, though.
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Post by heirloomairloom on Oct 25, 2016 1:53:30 GMT
The question is: How did the Utopian Earth we see in Act 7/Snapchat end up as the wasteland it is by Caliborn's time. Is it an alt-timeline where Universe C was made, but the kids didn't make it there, possibly what would've happened post-Game Over were it not for the retcon? Or maybe the kids are fully incompetent as rulers and their civilisation collapses with everyone going extinct before the Cherubs are conceived. No matter how apathetic the kids may be about the plot, at this point there's no way they could fail to realize that B2 Earth in universe C will be the home to Caliborn in the future. Calliope is right there to notice the similarities and tell them, if they haven't figured it out already. Thus, preserving civilization on Earth long term is pointless. They know that anyone still on the planet in Caliborn's time will be killed when he sucks the world into his Incipisphere or when it gets reformatted into LoCaM. Ironically, the only logical use they have for Earth now is a base to build spaceships and breed yellow blooded trolls to pilot them so that they can start moving civilization to new planets. They actually do succeed at that, since we see that there was at least one alien world colonized by trolls not long before the charub players' birth.
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Post by cookiefonster on Oct 25, 2016 2:00:56 GMT
Sudden theory on where this is going, as I was wondering where they might be headed in the meteor... Didn't Kanaya originally say (in one of the meteor walkaround flashes I think, before Eridan hopesploded it) that she was planning on hatching the Matriorb in the core of the meteor?? Whoa wait HOLY SHIT. If that's actually going to happen... Then this might be an actual further bit of plot resolution? Wow that sounds so crazy.
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