Roxygen Salt Quarantine Thread

John isn't interested in those matters of the heart, anyhow

He probably doesn't after the fifth act, considering how Hussie 'dealt' with his character, though I consider this page to at least have SOME relevance. 

I'm more salty about Grimdorks, considering that one actually had buildup. Like, a lot of buildup. And a whole bunch of unresolved issues that then went absolutely nowhere, because, you know, watching your parents die together TOTALLY isn't something we should probably talk about. Nope, let's just have John leech off Jane's reunion with her own father and give the BRIEFEST glimpse of something in a snapchat photo that doesn't even concern Rose in the slightest. 

Okay but have you considered aro John? Maybe it was just a crush that wasn't meant to last.

Most logical explanation is that a choice had to be made between Roxy/Calliope and Roxy/John for the "ship to slightly point towards" tier. You can't please everyone, but in the end everyone's happy with their love life (or lack of thereof) and that's fine.
A lot of ships in Homestuck tend to be hinted at in canon, and slowly disappear in profit of other ships. I don't know whether it's writing incoherence, fanservice or intentional, but it happens. (I'll never forget the glory days of JohnKat.)

Also, Roxy being part of quite the number of popular ships, it'd be a bit ironic if she ended up single and fine with it.

Oh god, don't even get me started on ships coming off as "omg look how progressive we are". Davekat especially comes off this way, mainly because of Dave going on and on about stuff that gives many people a stereotypical Tumblr vibe. The worst part is, the comic had previously handed gay pairings in a much better way than that.

Can we please not turn this into a thread of people saying "You're wrong!" " No you're wrong!" With no proof? This is just one person stating something is wrong, and then someone saying that person is wrong.

On topic though, it is really aggrivating to see that whole thing with Roxy and John not doing anything. It's like a set of bowling pins just sitting there, eternaly waiting to be knocked down, but may never be. Just... augh....

Oh. Oh boy. Oh sweet baby boy, I can already tell this is gonna be a goddamn party. Are you ready kids? Aye captain! Let's straighten our ties, tip our fedoras and sing the motherfucking happy birthday song, because this shit is about to get hellaciously autistic. 

Ah yes, the ever prevalent argument of 'but, but, muh feelings!' Because, you know, feelings always trump science--what, we're conservatives? No, no, we swear we're liberal guys, promise! We just don't like facts that contradicts our preconceived notions of whatever bullshit we're spouting this week! The personal experiences of our lives override fact and evidence; how fucking dare you question us otherwise. How offensive! Sorry, am I triggering you with this? Is someone having a different opinion than you just too much for you to handle? Oh well, I'm sorry, the world isn't just a giant liberal arts college campus. And if you don't like hearing that, well, maybe you shouldn't be starting shit in the goddamn salt thread. All I did was give an opinion--a mild one at that--and while I fully endorse your right to contradict me, make no mistake that I will exercise my right to do the same. 

Nah, you probably don't exist, honestly. All evidence would point to the contrary. If you wanted my professional opinion--and this actually is something I'm qualified to talk on, mind you--I would guess that you've been entrenched within a community that so heavily stresses upon the value of being special that you'll lie to yourself and others to gain a sense of simultaneous and contradictory oppression and superiority. You most likely subscribe to ideologies that you've been told to subscribe to so as to not diverge from the collective of your peers. This is a common trait of many online communities, not just your own: Tumblr, 4chan, Reddit; all of these communities have their own version of this, so yours is hardly one worth denoting as unique. And quite frankly, it's been this way since the beginning of time--we, as a species, strives towards congregating in groups, and will mold our opinions to better fit with those said groups.

As far as evidence goes, very little research has gone into that I'm talking about -- neurological study of sexuality is few and far between, but what we have been able to gather would show that these claims of asexuality and aromanticism are by and large seeped deep within numerous false pretense. If you want to look for yourself, this article will probably summarize that limited research. 
Well, as a published bisexual in a gay relationship, I actually know quite a lot about how queer subject matter should be handled in fiction--not that this has any particular relevance to the concept of fiction in general, and you could easily criticize a piece with poor implementation regardless of whether or not you were well versed in 'queer subject matter,' which, by the way, isn't even a goddamn thing; it's literally just 'romance.' Why do you feel the need to separate the LGBT community? There is nothing special about romance whether it's gay, straight or otherwise, and just as you can criticize straight romance, you can criticize gay romance just the same. 

We're bringing it up because it became relevant to a conversation about how relationships were handled as a whole, Roxygen included. This isn't that hard. 

Primarily because it was thrust in our faces without any prior buildup--in fact, much of the previous indications promoted that these relationships wouldn't happen! It was incredibly poor handling on the part of Hussie, especially in regards to Roxygen. 

Pandering to any demographic is bad, not just SJW's. If he was pandering to /hsg/ or r/homestuck, I'd have the same issue. Pandering in general usually takes away from the actual story elements, which is what most of us WANTED to know about. Important plot threads were just thrown by the wayside in order to make room for 'muh gay bbys!' And while I have no issue with that on the whole--for the love of god, I'm a fucking JohnKat shipper--I want those relationships to be handled PROPERLY, with slow, believable build and concise storytelling. This is also why I like JohnRose so much, because it actually had a ridiculous amount of buildup, and was then just unceremoniously discarded because, nope, now were gonna separate the main characters and give Rose a badass space alien GF that she'll burden with all her emotional issues and never grow as a person! THIS IS FUCKING FANTASTIC STORYTELLING, RIGHT?!

No. No it isn't. 

Hey guys, this is an MSPA forum not fucking KotakuinAction.

Bro, I'm talking to you

A nice reminder of why so many people weren't interested in checking out Homestuck. There's nothing people love more than having people shout at them online about difficult and sensitive issues.


I like Roxy--honestly, she's the only Alpha kid I care for. The John/Roxy pairing made sense to me. But given where the story seems to be pointing ('neutral ending' or whatever), John ending up happy and content wasn't an option, so I am not particularly upset about it. Maybe that's wishful thinking but we'll see.

Hence, salt quarantine. Thank god for forethought. 

Eh, I liked both Roxy and Dirk -- I thought the two of them had a lot of really interesting potential. John/Roxy made sense to me as well, but that just sorta got thrown by the wayside. And Dirk was more or less shafted post-retcon. Still, I'm hoping we can get a happy ending out of this. I'd laugh so hard if Johnvris turned out canon after all this time. I just think our little Egderp deserves some happiness. 

Primarily, I'm referring to his reaction with Rose in Seer: Descend, as well as his prior conversations with Jade in regards to Karkat's shipping chart. He remains quite flustered after that, indicating that at least a prefatory attraction took place. But, I digress. 

As for the evidence, I apologize for that link not working; I'll post it again here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2117556/

Though I believe I should clarify something: I don't personally have an issue with anyone referring to themselves as asexual or aromantic, at all, in any way. My only real concern is when people use this--and it is an unfortunately common occurrence, at least in my experience--to do things completely outside the realm of socially acceptable boundries, or, i.e, use it to justify being a massive dick. People who identify was certain things for what seems to be the sole reason of using newfound 'oppression points' pisses me off in a way that I can scarce describe. If you identify as asexual or aromantic and you don't use it in this way, then good for you. I don't really care, and, honestly, I'd be more than happy to respect whatever it is you want to identify as. I won't judge; we all want to attach ourselves to thing; nothing is wrong with that in-of-itself. I'm certainly just as guilty of this, as we all are. 

So please, don't take my comments as me attempting to be inhospitable; I should have clarified at the beginning, and apologize for not doing so. As for the possibility of an aromantic John, maybe I'm just salty and biased; I'm more than willing to admit that, especially considering my intense love of JohnRose and JohnKat. Perhaps my comments were just a little heavy handed and brazen, and would've been better understood had I used a degree of tact. 

Still salty about the ending though. Fuck that ending. 

Ah, you should have been more clear then; what you were saying came off as arguing why John can't be aromantic rather than expressing annoyance at SJWs who use this to consider themselves a special snowflake, oppressed, or superior. I too agree that many SJWs do this and it's wrong, though I do feel you need to be more careful not to stereotype or generalize. While indeed some do flaunt their orientation in such an annoying way, you can't just assume that someone who's not a heterosexual heteromantic is automatically going to be that way. renegadeshroom's response did not indicate that they consider themself superior because of their orientation, only that they were annoyed at you claiming it didn't exist.

Also, I took a look at the study you linked and it seemed to be about what parts of the brain control which aspects of sexuality. Unless there's something in there that I missed because I only skimmed it, I not only fail to see what this has to do with romantic attraction as opposed to sexual attraction, but I also don't see how it has anything to do with the possibility of lacking such an attraction.

It is a questionable thing to do indeed, hence part of why I'm dissatisfied (or, dare I say, salty) about this aspect of the ending.