LunaWillow
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Post by LunaWillow on Dec 6, 2016 16:41:07 GMT
Hey, I don't think I ever specified the quadrant I ship them in, did I? I like both the idea of them as matesprits and as moirails.
Acamaeda, this might be because Davepeta and Dave aren't the same person. 'sides, Davejade has been there for years and Davepetajade is pretty recent.
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archiewhite
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Post by archiewhite on Dec 8, 2016 19:36:54 GMT
I don't get why people ship DaveJade when Davepeta exists. Because Davesprite dumped her pre-retcon, Nepeta barely interacted with Jade and Davepetasprite^2 has better things to do out there?
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Post by Salty on Dec 8, 2016 20:22:55 GMT
I don't get why people ship DaveJade when Davepeta exists. For me, it's because I don't particularly like Davepeta as a character; it didn't do justice to Davesprite's character arc, in my opinion, and botched an opportunity with a rezzed Nepeta. Davesprite was his own person, and should've remained that way. Having Jade date Davepeta just didn't jive with me because of the second party.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Dec 9, 2016 0:40:08 GMT
eh I like JohnVris because it's a pairing that got built up slowly and it's probably the only pairing that benefited the both of them greatly. Vriska made John stronger; she helped him reach the ranks, get through the game and go god tier. She gave him a powerful hammer that helped him get through the game. John made Vriska open up and made readers see another side to her character and we got her backstory. Vriska found someone she could confront her feelings to without being judged, something she never got from her other friends. She wanted to be loved by someone, which John did. Everyone but John saw her as nothing more than a huge bitch and an outright threat, which offended her more than what everyone thought, even the readers. John made Vriska want to become a better person and actually try be good (still salty how this got chucked out the window). I do see why people see this as a pale relationship though. To me it sounds good as both pale and red, but I just like the later. John is honestly the only character that Vriska can get into a relationship with (heck same with pale) and it doesn't have a bad influence on her. Terezi, Kanaya and Meenah all failed miserably. Vriska became worse and just had her ego stroked with Meenah as a partner, Kanaya just sees her as a huge bitch and Terezi was Meenah 2.0 except a more clingy version. I think it's a really interesting pairing with two characters that have opposite personalities. People wonder how can a light hearted and friendly boy can like a psychotic girl and vise versa, yet it clicked really well, because the psychotic girl could truly open up to this light hearted boy without getting judged for once. At the moment, post-retcon Vriska does seem to see John as someone who's more important to her than a lot of the other characters. Heck I honestly think that she likes John more than Terezi. Also, people say that Vriska breaking up with doomed John was proof of the ship not working out, but we never really saw how that truly went down. She never got to date the version that went through everything with her. She could have just not have been able to connect with the doomed John because he never new who she was, and starting over wasn't working out; it was too awkward. The doomed John never knew who this Vriska was and hence probably didn't really want to start anything. And doomed John not knowing what Vriska went through with him was probably really hurting her. I'm sure if it was the real John it would have worked out a lot better on Vriska's end. There's also another theory that Vriska left doomed John because he doubled died and she managed to escape because god tier and all, and that's the only reason she left him. I do understand why people don't ship it anymore with the way Vriska turned out in Act 6. Her character arc in general went downhill from then onward and I didn't like John's personality change ether. He became more bratty (best way i can describe it lol) and just an unlikable character in general. And people seem to forget that when he met Vriska again, he was a very moody teenager at the time. I do believe it could of worked if Vriska's arc went in a better direction, and if John's personality didn't get so bad. John made Vriska open up a lot and it make people see another side to her character, and it made her death more emotional in general because people actually started to like her right before she died, but act 6 onward and especially the retcon just ignored all of that as well as bringing her back more awful than ever. I'm still salty about this. I don't understand why JohnRoxy is so popular considering that Roxy's first thoughts towards John was 'boyfriend material? ' and she outright saw Jake in him. The relationship started in the first place because Roxy was desperate for a boyfriend and John just... went along with it? It's shallow, boring and never got any real development, and still hasn't gotten any development apart from some chemistry. Also people say that JohnVris only happened in a day and hence shouldn't be a real ship, yet JohnRoxy was something that only lasted for about a day too. It lasted for about the same span as JohnVris. Oh, Johnvris, Johnvris is so good. It was pretty much my first OTP in any fandom ever and I highly doubt I'll ever get over it. I just love the dynamic Vriska had with John, and I believe they could've gone so far together, but I guess Hussie had other plans... *sob* Altough Johnvris is one of my very favourites, I enjoy (or am generally okay with) pretty much all Homestuck ships, with the exclusion of Davekat. It's crazy fandom really made me dislike it. And let's be honest, it wasn't dealt very well with in canon, erasing much better developed and meaningful relationships like Karezi. The dynamic Terezi and Karkat had not only was realistic and beautiful, but also has been developing for three thousand pages. And then retcon happened and it just... got erased. And we were given a ship out of nowhere, a ship which could've worked, if only we could see it develop, but we weren't allowed to and were just thrown into a timeline where we were forced to accept it as a thing. omg this. this explains exactly how I feel with Karezi. It was a ship that was there since as early as act 4, and then suddenly got thrown out the window with little explanation. People who got into homestuck early have been reading their close relationship for like, 4 years and a lot of fans were invested in that ship for about the same length. They didn't even share a single word post-retcon and Karkat's character became OOC and honestly disappointing. Terezi also became a clingy mess. I don't get how she thought that getting into a relationship with Vriska was better than Dave or Karkat. I actually didn't like pre-retcon Terezi at all during act 6, but seeing the retcon and post-retcon Terezi made me realize how much I actually like her. I also don't get the fandom's sudden heel-turn at Davekat's reveal and think 'lol I hate Karezi it's shit and was terrible Davekat is the best' when it was a really popular ship before right Davekat got revealed.
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Post by sillyConformist on Dec 9, 2016 3:04:57 GMT
Favourites are an inherently subjective topic. There doesn't have to be some huge reason or analysis behind it. My favourite is KatNep because they are adorable. That is all.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Dec 9, 2016 5:09:45 GMT
lol sorry i was just explaining my reasons for liking johnvris But my fave overall is Karezi simply because their chemistry stood out the most to me out of all the possible pairings. The way they interacted with each other was cute and fuuny. Don't get me wrong, I've always liked Dave and Karkat's relationship, but the way the pairing went down romantically just showed me that the two are better of as best friends. I never liked KarNep simply because I've never liked Nepeta, so I refuse to ship a good character who's had a lot of character development with someone who's bland and just boring. However at the moment my vote is on JohnVris because it needs more love atm.
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Post by The One Guy on Dec 9, 2016 16:02:00 GMT
eh I like JohnVris because it's a pairing that got built up slowly and it's probably the only pairing that benefited the both of them greatly. Vriska made John stronger; she helped him reach the ranks, get through the game and go god tier. She gave him a powerful hammer that helped him get through the game. John made Vriska open up and made readers see another side to her character and we got her backstory. Vriska found someone she could confront her feelings to without being judged, something she never got from her other friends. She wanted to be loved by someone, which John did. Everyone but John saw her as nothing more than a huge bitch and an outright threat, which offended her more than what everyone thought, even the readers. John made Vriska want to become a better person and actually try be good (still salty how this got chucked out the window). I do see why people see this as a pale relationship though. To me it sounds good as both pale and red, but I just like the later. I find it amusing how you say "I see how it could possibly interpreted as pale" when the relationship you describe abouve that is pretty much exactly a pale relationship. Now I'm not saying you're wrong for liking the idea of a flushed relationship between them better; as sillyConformist mentions, what you like to ship is inherently subjective, and certainly there are some elements of a flushed relationship there too, but it just don't understand how you look at what to me seems to be a textbook example of a pale relationship and your first reaction is thinking of them as flushed.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Dec 10, 2016 1:47:02 GMT
eh I like JohnVris because it's a pairing that got built up slowly and it's probably the only pairing that benefited the both of them greatly. Vriska made John stronger; she helped him reach the ranks, get through the game and go god tier. She gave him a powerful hammer that helped him get through the game. John made Vriska open up and made readers see another side to her character and we got her backstory. Vriska found someone she could confront her feelings to without being judged, something she never got from her other friends. She wanted to be loved by someone, which John did. Everyone but John saw her as nothing more than a huge bitch and an outright threat, which offended her more than what everyone thought, even the readers. John made Vriska want to become a better person and actually try be good (still salty how this got chucked out the window). I do see why people see this as a pale relationship though. To me it sounds good as both pale and red, but I just like the later. I find it amusing how you say "I see how it could possibly interpreted as pale" when the relationship you describe abouve that is pretty much exactly a pale relationship. Now I'm not saying you're wrong for liking the idea of a flushed relationship between them better; as sillyConformist mentions, what you like to ship is inherently subjective, and certainly there are some elements of a flushed relationship there too, but it just don't understand how you look at what to me seems to be a textbook example of a pale relationship and your first reaction is thinking of them as flushed. I guess I saw them as flushed because of the fact that Vriska started liking John in that way first instead of pale, and she asked him out on a date before she died. The story showed the relationship flushed first and never really went into pale territory, so I started liking it that way. I actually didn't really even think of the two as being in any sort of relationship until the story pushed it in that direction and made Vriska open up, and I don't think a lot of people even considered it ether. I do understand what you're saying though on how it's better suited pale, but I just like the idea of it being flushed. :\
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Dec 10, 2016 18:51:07 GMT
Favourites are an inherently subjective topic. There doesn't have to be some huge reason or analysis behind it. My favourite is KatNep because they are adorable. That is all. Swear to God, just these two interacting more or clearing the air about her crush would've been enough for me. An actual relationship would've been the icing on the cake.
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Post by TrickleJest on Dec 12, 2016 9:06:59 GMT
Seeing that my favorite (and only) ships taking the lead is just amazing. I always come back here just to see Roxygen trump everything else. Ahhhh. Perfection.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Dec 12, 2016 10:54:09 GMT
lmao as long as nepkat (why the heck is this pairing not called Katnip or something it's the perfect name) doesn't overtake karezi i'm fine
Also I used to ship DirkRoxy back in the day. It just seemed like a funny pairing and kind of reminded me of DaveJade with the cool guy x goofy girl (to be honest I've actually forgotten if Dirk and Roxy are related like Dave and Rose are). But I've grown to not ship Dirk with anyone really. DirkJake could be a good pairing but it just seems so bad for the two of them. I also admit that I'm happy that Gamtav kind of stopped becoming a thing since it just seemed really weird to me. :\
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Post by crusadercaster on Dec 13, 2016 1:15:50 GMT
i am shocked, SHOCKED i tell you of the lack of meenkat on this list
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Dec 14, 2016 10:39:52 GMT
^ yeah that was a really interesting ship that was going on. but then it just... dropped...? like how most ships where handled i guess
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Post by mementovivere on Dec 14, 2016 14:28:40 GMT
^ yeah that was a really interesting ship that was going on. but then it just... dropped...? like how most ships where handled i guess To be fair, I think that's arguably one of the ways that Homestuck handles relationships in a REALISTIC way... life (and adolescence especially) is full of missed connections, passing attractions, and crushes (mutual or not) that never end up leading to anything. The number of people a person is attracted to over the course of their life is usually going to VASTLY outnumber the number of actual relationships they're in. I know that that's been true for me, at least. I guess you can argue that this is bad storytelling (in the sense of "don't include anything that's not important to the plot in the long run") but if you view Homestuck primarily as a coming of age story about building relationships of all kinds, then it kinda makes sense to do it that way rather than showing a bunch of teenagers ONLY EVER being attracted to the person they're fated to be with in the end.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Dec 15, 2016 8:37:48 GMT
I actually wasn't thinking of "I hope they get together" since I ship them pale or best friends over flushed, but more of a 'I wished they generally had more scenes together and talked more, since their relationship was growing but then just got dropped after Meenah met Vriska". And I was disappointed since I liked there interactions and friendship far more than Meenvris. :\
I do understand what you're saying, and that it makes things more 'realistic'. But the thing is, Homestuck is fiction. Some things that happen in reality just don't go as well in fiction. Like for instance, ships not working out is fine in reality but when it comes to fiction, people rather just have pairings happening in a simple way.
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Post by TrickleJest on Dec 15, 2016 9:08:46 GMT
I actually wasn't thinking of "I hope they get together" since I ship them pale or best friends over flushed, but more of a 'I wished they generally had more scenes together and talked more, since their relationship was growing but then just got dropped after Meenah met Vriska". And I was disappointed since I liked there interactions and friendship far more than Meenvris. :\ I do understand what you're saying, and that it makes things more 'realistic'. But the thing is, Homestuck is fiction. Some things that happen in reality just don't go as well in fiction. Like for instance, ships not working out is fine in reality but when it comes to fiction, people rather just have pairings happening in a simple way. THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT! "Bluh bluh this book is unrealistic nobody dies!" And I say: "THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S FICTION! It's supposed to be unrealistic!"
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Post by bagelman on Jan 13, 2017 1:36:38 GMT
Dirkjake seems to have lost any popularity it may have once had.
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Post by The One Guy on Jan 13, 2017 16:05:37 GMT
Dirkjake seems to have lost any popularity it may have once had. Well, considering it was canonically revealed to not work out...
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Post by axolotlSushi on Jan 13, 2017 22:09:10 GMT
Alright, allow me to throw my absurd opinions into the bundle, because I cannot bear to leave any important board unmarked by my trail. I have a LOT of ships in Homestuck- often overlapping, sometimes even through quadrants. (Also, I'll have it be known that I have way too many ships involving cherubs, for some reason. They're just so damn cool.) I'm going to put a full list in the spoiler, including quadrants, to spare y'all from having to scroll through my BS. Calliope Caliborn (OTP) Calliope Roxy (And maybe +Jane, if the fanfic is written well enough) Caliborn Dirk Dirk Jake Dirk Dave Dave Karkat Karkat Terezi Kanaya Rose Black Queen/Snowman Jack Noir/Spades Slick Dave John John Terezi Kankri Karkat Ms Paint Spades Slick I could probably come up with more if given more time, but don't encourage me.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Jan 15, 2017 1:33:34 GMT
eh I may as well do mine (please note that a troll human ship to me is close friendship rather than an actual pale relationship since I really don't think humans can do any of the troll quadrants except the matesprit category. I just used since it's easier) OTP(s): Karkat Terezi John Vriska (second favourite) Dave Jade (third favourite) Other favourites (in no particular order): Karkat Kanaya Dave Karkat Karkat Jade Rose Kanaya Sollux Aradia Equius Nepeta Dave WV Other pairings I like (in no particular order): Karkat Meenah Meenah / Aranea John Vriska Karkat Meenah
John Rose Dave Karkat Karkat Jade John / Roxy Terezi Vriska Latula Mituna Roxy Jane Dirk Jake Roxy / Calliope Dave / JohnWV / PM Spades MsPaint Dave / Terezi Sollux Terezi John / / Karkat Karkat Vriska Dirk Roxy (If John can get shipped with male characters yet constantly gets confirmed to be straight, then I don't see how this is an issue) Karkat Future Karkat Jade Pairings I don't like: Gamzee / Karkat (they clearly failed to be good moilrails in the pre-retcon timeline and it was very one-sided, and then Gamzee ditched Karkat and he ended up by himself for a year) Gamzee / Tavros (I'm happy that that ship's popularity died since it was really unsettling for me) Gamzee Terezi Vriska / Tavros Vriska / Meenah (the pairing ended up giving both of them massive character derailment) John Terezi (should not have happened) Sollux Eridan (always seemed similar to Gamzee Terezi to me in that's it's more abusive and violent than a proper relationship) Cronus Mituna (I find it disgusting how this is a legitimate pairing that people ship despite it being mental and sexual abuse to a mentally disabled person. It seems more like one of those awful yaoi fetish pairings to me) Dave Dirk. Favourite crack ship: Dave Nepeta (I guess not so crack anymore since the whole Davepeta thing), Dave Vriska (this happened mainly because Nightfall lol) and Roxy Eridan I love how this chart clearly shows my dislike for and ships
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Post by axolotlSushi on Jan 19, 2017 5:37:37 GMT
H E C K I FORGOT TEREZI GAMZEE
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Feb 2, 2017 3:47:21 GMT
lol i forgot to put Dave Vriska as a favourite crack ship
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Post by princessfeffie on May 1, 2017 15:13:16 GMT
i'm into p much most f/f ships too tbh but heres the main stuff i like!! :v
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Post by heyitskane on May 3, 2017 1:47:10 GMT
Roxygen is the best ship.
Fight me.
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Post by Mysterious Anon on Jun 22, 2017 21:22:51 GMT
Aaaaay. Yo. If you don't mind I have some ships to Share! Anyway here I go and since I'm an anon I don't any idea how to spoiler. Anyway let's say I'm a free for all shipper so I accept almost every ship. Kanaya Karkat Karkat Nepeta Latula Mituna Aradia Jake Nepeta Jake Feferi Nepeta Jack/Spades Slick Rose (Crackship) Dave Jade Doc Scratch Dad Meenah John Dave Mayor (Kind of a Crackship?) Roxy John Eridan Jane Sollux Nepeta Dave Nepeta Vriska Kanaya Dirk Meenah Karkat Meenah Caliborn Dirk Dirk Meulin Jade Nepeta Lil Hal / Crockertier Jane Spades Slick Snowman Aradia Jade Dave Jane Vriska Horseshoe hearts clover Clover Crowbar / Diamonds Droog Karkat Gamzee Nepeta Meulin John Jade Dirk Kanaya Clubs Deuce/Courtyard Droll BEST FRIENDS Clover Roxy BESTIES Calliope Eridan Sollux Fefeta Arquius Calliope Caliborn Rose (Pre Act 6) Kanaya (Pre Act 6) Erisolsprite *middle finger here* Everybody Dad Egbert Mom Lalonde Kankri Cronus Kankri Damara Meulin Horuss Nepeta Equius Aradia Sollux Dirk Roxy Dirk Karkat Nepeta Meulin John Rose I forgot to add Karkat Kanaya that's add and also my OTP is Katnep.
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