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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 13, 2016 5:24:48 GMT
That explanation gets more than a few things wrong. For one, there's absolutely nothing that confirms Yaldabaoth is automatically your Denizen if you played a Dead Session. If Muse!Calliope did play a Dead Session, it didn't give her Yaldabaoth as a Denizen. And, Muse!Calliope did not take the path of the martyr. It also mistakenly assumes LE get's his immortality power from the Green Sun, but he doesn't, that's only one aspect of LE's crazy powers and he didn't get it from his session, he got it from 'hatching' from Doc Scratch. |
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Post by quixoticTokki on Apr 13, 2016 5:24:59 GMT
The news of an epilogue is certainly...slightly comforting...but after this I can't tell just how much it will really help. Oh well, fingers crossed!
EDIT: He also said "there should be plenty of other news in coming months" ohhh man having to wait that long for an epilogue is gonna destroy me. Then again I already feel dead inside now lol so whatever.
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Post by dldracorex on Apr 13, 2016 5:25:09 GMT
Crap, that was not the end? I guess I will have to hang around here a little bit longer. I have to go to bed now, goodnight.
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Post by kmsumrall on Apr 13, 2016 5:26:46 GMT
We are never going to know so much, i love it.
but like I said before I enjoyed this as what it is, a creation mythos.
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Post by pherociousDuodecim on Apr 13, 2016 5:27:26 GMT
Although PS didn't need an Epilogue, it was definitely a nice to have on top of a story that had already brought everything together. HS still feels like it needs a bit of one, even if it asks more questions.
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Post by Wesley Foxx on Apr 13, 2016 5:27:48 GMT
There's an edit on the newspost that says there will eventually be something like an epilogue. So that's... still not reassuring since, seriously. Such a non-ending. Incredibly pretty to watch but incredibly unsatisfying.
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Post by flagellumVagueness on Apr 13, 2016 5:31:28 GMT
I WAS ALL READY TO BE DONE WITH HOMESTUCK AND NOW I'LL NEVER BE FREE
That was his plan all along, to keep us trapped forever, wasn't it?!?!
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 13, 2016 5:33:27 GMT
I WAS ALL READY TO BE DONE WITH HOMESTUCK AND NOW I'LL NEVER BE FREE That was his plan all along, to keep us trapped forever, wasn't it?!?! Homestuck is the juju and we're all trapped in it. |
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Post by imglasses on Apr 13, 2016 5:33:27 GMT
The word "epilogue" implies that it still isn't going to resolve the major plot points. It'll be nice to actually have some dialog, and to see the protagonists' roles in the new universe and such. But the reason most people are upset is that the main plot was literally just not resolved at all. And usually an "epilogue" doesn't contain the plot resolution.
I guess there's no hope for plot resolution, but maybe Hussie is generous enough to actually give some character resolution, at least.
I feel kind of bad for Angela Sham and whoever else helped with the animation. Everyone, including me, is criticizing the update, but the animation was beautifully done. It just doesn't work as the entire ending of the story.
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Post by ephemeralApotheosis on Apr 13, 2016 5:35:16 GMT
In case nobody posted this yet, there will be an epilogue: Edit: one more thing. If you're curious about whether there will be anything resembling an epilogue to this ending, yes, I've been thinking about that for some time. It'll take a while to produce though, whatever specific form it ends up taking. Working on Collide took months, and came right down to the wire. I've got more time now though obviously. But that said, I'm not in a huge hurry at this point. Keep an eye out here for developments. There should be plenty of other news in coming months too. Kind of like Problem Sleuth ending I guess. Maybe we will finally get some closure then. Edit: Nevermind, y'all already all over this. |
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Post by flagellumVagueness on Apr 13, 2016 5:35:40 GMT
I WAS ALL READY TO BE DONE WITH HOMESTUCK AND NOW I'LL NEVER BE FREE That was his plan all along, to keep us trapped forever, wasn't it?!?! Homestuck is the juju and we're all trapped in it. That's the explanation for the masterpiece! It wasn't the eight kids who went to fight Caliborn and got trapped in the juju, it was a bunch of us! The stage isn't Yaldabaoth's lair, it's the MSPA site itself, which is why it has curtains! Holy crap we've solved the mystery |
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 13, 2016 5:38:12 GMT
Well, I, for one, can't wait to watch BKEW's reaction to this Flash.
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Post by sparkeletran on Apr 13, 2016 5:38:30 GMT
I think the epilogue may very well explain what actually happened to Lord English. We saw what was building up to it - the Green Sun was destroyed (as well as possibly the Furthest Ring??) and the Juju was activated. What that actually DID to him is what we don't know, and I could see that being touched upon.
The ending very much felt inconclusive, but the epilogue could totally fix that, so... Let's wait and see, I suppose.
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Post by pointycatears on Apr 13, 2016 5:39:27 GMT
I was going to say there could be an epilogue. Hopefully that will answer most questions.
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Post by melonlord on Apr 13, 2016 5:41:29 GMT
I...
What?
I feel like I'm being punked. Is Lord English about to rip apart the white curtains and go "PSYCHE MOTHERFUCKERS TIME FOR ACT 8"? Are we about to pull out of a Mind synapse?
I mean...man, I feel kind of shitty about this because that animation was gorgeous and looks like it took a long time to make, but...that resolved just about jack shit. Like, not even smaller details like where the lollipop jujus came from, but basic plot like "When did the Masterpiece happen?" and "HOW DID LORD ENGLISH DIE!?"
This...this can't be the real end, Hussie's too good a writer for this to be the real end. Freaking BKE wrote a more coherent ending to Homestuck than this years ago.
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Post by Billiards Slick on Apr 13, 2016 6:26:31 GMT
I can't be optimistic about an epilogue. I'm too far down this little pit of despair Act 7 threw me in. And if the entire point was to leave everything as ambiguous as possible, I can't imagine an epilogue will actually resolve or answer anything (especially anything major) conclusively. It'd honestly be kind of a dumb thing to do that in the epilogue instead of the actual ending. I just can't imagine what could be done now to salvage this for me.
Honestly, what really gets to me is not even the unresolved plot, which is pretty saddening in itself, but all the unresolved character stuff. And yeah, blah blah "we dont have arcs were just human beings" what fucking ever, but really? Vriska just...never learns anything? The Game Over ghosts don't matter? What was the fucking deal with Kurloz and the coat? What in the fucks was the point of the post-retcon sprites? What the fuck was the point of the pre-retcon sprites? What was the fucking deal with Denizens, why was Abraxas never mentioned, and what does he actually mean for Jake (and possibly Karkat?)? Did Jane ever even have an arc? Where did Ms. Paint and Jack Noir go? Is he seriously just being let off the hook? Jake and Jade never ever got to have a conversation. Just...what the fuck? I can't even fucking deal.
And I mean, it shouldn't have fallen on Act 7 as it is (a single animation) to address these things, I wouldn't really have expected it to. But that it was all left hanging is disappointing.
Maybe a few of those questions will be answered in that epilogue. Maybe it will yield some small relief. But still. What the fuck.
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Post by sasuke on Apr 13, 2016 6:29:22 GMT
homestuck ends on 4/13. also iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
to me, end means your story reaches a meaningful conclusion. no story is complete without one.
at this point homestuck is a failure. except maybe as an elaborate and very unfuny joke.
whats tragic is how close it was to being truly great.
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Post by flagellumVagueness on Apr 13, 2016 6:33:32 GMT
The real shitty twist: the Heir of Grief was us all along.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 13, 2016 6:45:34 GMT
I think what I would find cruel is if there was significantly more to the plot...but Hussie's not even going to give us an estimate this time on how long we might have to wait for it. That would suck. I can endure being denied if I'm given a date when I won't be anymore. Ok I was just scrolling through upd8 reactions on tumblr and someone pointed this out, but did we even see Terezi in the "life on earth montage" ? I double checked and I didn't see her. And actually...there wasn't any Vriska in that vision, either. Like she never came back. Also, for that matter, no Aradia, Sollux or Gamzee. I did notice that while everyone was standing gob smacked by Skaia's transformation Terezi was looking the other way again. |
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Post by ephemeralApotheosis on Apr 13, 2016 6:55:52 GMT
I want to get off Mr. Hussie's wild ride I did notice that while everyone was standing gob smacked by Skaia's transformation Terezi was looking the other way again. Well to be honest, looking in the correct direction wouldn't have made much of a difference for her anyway.  |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 13, 2016 7:05:54 GMT
Well to be honest, looking in the correct direction wouldn't have made much of a difference for her anyway. Well I mean, yeah. That's the joke. |
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Post by ephemeralApotheosis on Apr 13, 2016 7:17:05 GMT
Well to be honest, looking in the correct direction wouldn't have made much of a difference for her anyway. Well I mean, yeah. That's the joke. Always a sign it's time for bed, when you start missing obvious stuff like this.  Well everyone, it's been a wild ride, and I had fun chillin' with y'all through all this. G'night. |
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Post by gimeurcookie on Apr 13, 2016 7:17:20 GMT
After thinking about it and having time to myself and also connecting the dots of what happened. I have to say
I liked it. It could have been better yes. But. I liked it. (Even if my favorite character was caliborn and I was gunning on a redemption arc or the 2 caliborn idea.)
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Post by mizushimo on Apr 13, 2016 7:18:13 GMT
OK I THINK I figured out about the Masterpiece - I already posted on tumblr but see if this sounds reasonable -
John opens the door, the house is white
All the god tier kids get sucked through and end up facing off against caliborn
The betas get sucked back into house-prize
The alphas defeat and imprison him inside lil Cal
Vriska opens the chest and releases the kids from the House-Prize
UNKNOWN THINGS HAPPEN HERE
The alphas SOMEHOW rejoin the betas and the people left behind and they all live on earth (or lofaf) the end.
Does this sound reasonable?
The problem is that Earth needed to travel back to Caliborn/Callipoe's birthplace with Gamzee, otherwise LE wouldn't exist.
I think Calliope needed to destroy the sun in order to destory LE's Power.
The really cool thing about the Flash is it encompessed the beginning and end of Lord English's life cycle simultaneously.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 13, 2016 7:36:46 GMT
I think we are going to get an End of Evangelion or Madoka Magica: Rebellion type ending. This "happy ending" actually DID occur within a single vortex of possibility in Paradox Space. But these heroes, the ones who get to live happily ever after, AREN'T the ones who the epilogue will focus on. And I think, especially considering she didn't appear in the "happily ever after" montage, that it will have something to do with Terezi and Remem8er. The comparison to End of Evangelion may be especially apt, since that ending was a response to fans who were unsatisfied with the original, happy ending.
I mean, it may seem like I'm hoping for too much, but people said that hoping for anything after 4/13 was unrealistic, when that turned out to be exactly what happened.
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