cauchemar
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Post by cauchemar on Apr 13, 2016 12:55:11 GMT
In the discussion thread for the final update, ConstantTroublemaker had a nice point: Anyway, back to discussing the actual ending instead of what we would have liked it to be; Indeed what would have we liked in the Ending that we didn't get?I personally would have loved to see... you know... The DENIZENS. We hear about them since the beginning of the story, we were taunted with browser pictures of them and we ended up seeing only Yaldabaoth, and for like, one shot?
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 12:59:33 GMT
Resolution of hanging plot points. There really was too little of that.
Also, meta shenanigans.
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 13, 2016 13:03:41 GMT
I just wanna know what happened to Tavros and Meenah. What about them? I feel like they deserve to be in the new universe too.
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Post by arbitraryTemplar on Apr 13, 2016 13:06:25 GMT
Although I was mostly satisfied by the ending, I did notice one thing. For being touted at one point as "the most important character in Homestuck", Gamzee sure didn't get to do much of anything.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 13:25:08 GMT
Although I was mostly satisfied by the ending, I did notice one thing. For being touted at one point as "the most important character in Homestuck", Gamzee sure didn't get to do much of anything. As I said before, that description probably wasn't referring to him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 15:28:13 GMT
4/13 Update Policy, man
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soeroah
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Post by soeroah on Apr 13, 2016 15:33:48 GMT
People seem to be having trouble with the policy in general.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 15:43:06 GMT
Well, if a thread is clearly marked with [SPOILERS] and its title doesn't spoil anything, I think it's allowed to exist.
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Post by wheals on Apr 13, 2016 15:44:56 GMT
I think the title spoils something pretty big...
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 15:47:10 GMT
I think the title spoils something pretty big... Like there could possibly be any ending which wouldn't create dead hopes and disappointments Of course, this one is quite strong at creating them...
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Post by Wessolf27 on Apr 13, 2016 16:15:11 GMT
To be honest, it's probably unavoidable at the moment, and as of now, most of us here are just veterans from the old MSPA forums with very few newbies coming in due to the forum crash, but anyway, I've also got a few chips on my shoulder considering Act 7. > Jane has pretty much been the least explored kid among the eight kids we know of, and the worst of it is that her resolution with her Dad felt rather abrupt. We never got to see what sort of character growth she might've had from speaking with the two Nannasprites, nor did we get to see how she grew out of her feelings. > Vriska's character growth has pretty much been erased due to retcon shenanigans, or if there was any growth that did come from her in the 3 years, we never got to see what was different between this Vriska and the Vriska we know of before her relationship with Meenah. > Most of the new ships (DaveKat especially) might be cute, but their development felt a bit awkward, in fact the biggest complaint was that it felt rushed. > Gamzee's relegated to minor annoyance at best ever since Act 6.6 and any character that remained of him had been erased ever since Cascade. He's been relegated to the same status as Feferi and Nepeta were in this regard. > We never know what happened to Jasprose or Davepeta after Collide, though considering how late they've been introduced, it was pretty inevitable. > LE's fate in the battle has pretty much been indeterminate, so all we can assume was that the juju containing the kids was used to reset his timeline. > Although Calliope was supposed to "sit on the sidelines" it felt like she never got the development she deserved.
So yeah... but I can't fault Hussie for trying all sorts of things with the medium. His specialty leans more on the experimental sort of style. Though yeah, the story really suffered from all that rushing and the need to impress through flashes. If anything, I think he had way too many irons in the fire, and the irons proved a bit too hot to handle.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 16:28:05 GMT
If anything, I think he had way too many irons in the fire, and the irons proved a bit too hot to handle. He really should have kept writing webcomics instead of stalking Vriska through space and time
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Post by soeroah on Apr 13, 2016 16:31:52 GMT
Well, if a thread is clearly marked with [SPOILERS] and its title doesn't spoil anything, I think it's allowed to exist. Well the forum policy was all Act Seven discussion was to take place in the thread created for it for the first 24 hours.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 16:39:11 GMT
Anyway, another thing that's definitely missing: I'd really have liked some clarifications about how Condy managed to escape her universe (which was in the process of being destroyed when she arrived to Alternia) and travel to the kids' one. Also, what happened to her curse when Roxy killed her.
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Post by accipitrineOutlier on Apr 13, 2016 16:49:39 GMT
Well, if a thread is clearly marked with [SPOILERS] and its title doesn't spoil anything, I think it's allowed to exist. Well the forum policy was all Act Seven discussion was to take place in the thread created for it for the first 24 hours. Yeah, you guys seem to have a pretty liberal interpretation of "Don't create any thread even vaguely related to this last update YET, until the 24 hours have passed."
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Post by G'relleth on Apr 13, 2016 17:13:02 GMT
I honestly would have liked for the forums to come back. In regards to the actual ending, after collide when jake beats the felt i was kind of hoping that jake would become the new leader of the felt.
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sporkaganza
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 13, 2016 22:58:29 GMT
I was kind of hoping for the ending to actually resolve things??
I wish I could be more specific than that, but there were basically a lot of dangling plot points and mysteries that never got resolved - when the entire ethos of Homestuck up to this point has been to resolve those things satisfactorily in some cool and surprising way. It's like Hussie suddenly forgot how to Homestuck.
Also, all the character arcs were left unresolved. And yes, I know, Dave's line about how human beings don't have "arcs". But in real life we don't get the catharsis of "character development", which is precisely why we created fiction in the first place. And it's ridiculous to hear that shit coming from the same comic where the end of the world happens and the beta kids just go "oh well". At the very least I'd like to ask what was even the point of GCATavrossprite, because that was introduced at the last second and still went nowhere.
That said, upon reflection I'm appreciating the ending more for what it is.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 23:11:56 GMT
At the very least I'd like to ask what was even the point of GCATavrossprite, because that was introduced at the last second and still went nowhere. Well, that was exactly his purpose: having GCat sleep during the big battle to keep him out of the picture, due to his First Guardian powers and his being loyal (apparently) to HIC. Tavros in sprite form was only used as a trap to catch him and put him to sleep.
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 13, 2016 23:20:59 GMT
At the very least I'd like to ask what was even the point of GCATavrossprite, because that was introduced at the last second and still went nowhere. Well, that was exactly his purpose: having GCat sleep during the big battle to keep him out of the picture, due to his First Guardian powers and his being loyal (apparently) to HIC. Tavros in sprite form was only used as a trap to catch him and put him to sleep.
Yeah, but I meant more from a character point of view. This way, it's like oh, it turns out Vriska's abusive treatment of him was justified all along! Like, no?
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Post by gimeurcookie on Apr 13, 2016 23:23:50 GMT
I think other then getting a better picture of what happened to LE / Caliborn / But mostly Caliborn, I have no qualms (after sleeping and rewatching it) with the ending and think it's pretty ok where it stands.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 23:46:27 GMT
Well, that was exactly his purpose: having GCat sleep during the big battle to keep him out of the picture, due to his First Guardian powers and his being loyal (apparently) to HIC. Tavros in sprite form was only used as a trap to catch him and put him to sleep.
Yeah, but I meant more from a character point of view. This way, it's like oh, it turns out Vriska's abusive treatment of him was justified all along! Like, no? This Vriska is post-retcon; regardless of how much she tinks she's matured, she is still a self-centered manipulative bitch who only thinks of Tavros (at best) as a disposable tool, and displayed this attitude multiple times (during the lilypad meeting, and even in the afterlife when she appeared genuinely shocked at the idea that Tavros could have actually managed to accomplish something important). She used Tavros as a cat-trap; typical of her. Even if it worked, this doesn't justify it... to anyone who's not Vriska, of course.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 13, 2016 23:48:33 GMT
I was hoping for blood powers to finally get resolved and become a major thing. And Karkat and Kanaya were hyped to be leaders or something in the new universe yet we never saw any of that. I was also hoping for the pre-retcon characters to stay relevant after Remem8er since that was a rather shitty way for their story to end. And Karkat and Kanaya not appearing in that flash still disturbs me.
And I didn't want Vriska's plan to defeat Lord English to go so well. I wanted her plan to not work and for the Beta kids to defeat him instead. I wanted her to finally get some character development and try to be a better person for real. At this point she should have just stayed out of the comic altogether during act 6. Heck I didn't like how well everything went after the retcon in general. There was hardly any issues whatsoever. I wanted something to go wrong, like Gamzee escaping, but it never did. I really expected Homestuck to not have such a happy ending and for everything to play out so well.
I also didn't like Gamezee's character arc. He was being portrayed as quite a good villain, despite an annoying one, all to just get shoved in a fridge and never become relevant again.
Also wanted Karkat and Terezi to get some closure on there friendship, because they didn't have a single conversation post-retcon. Also wanted Dave/Jade and John/Vriska to have closure.
I was hoping that the dead trolls + Sollux and Aradia would all appear again with the alive troll and have one last image of them all together or something. Instead they become irrelevant. Not even Sollux and Aradia became relevant, which I will forever be annoyed with because they could have been very interesting characters and I'd rather see what they're doing than getting the Alpha kids story.
I didn't like who killed who with the final bosses. I was hoping that Karkat would help fight Condy and play a bigger role in general with blood powers or something, and like I said earlier I wanted someone who wasn't Vriska to defeat Lord English. I also find it sad how the live trolls never went godtier. I was really hoping Karkat and Terezi would get the tiger with a reference to the way Dave and Rose did theirs.
And what was the point in the Masterpiece and who were the kids in Masterpiece. I thought at least that was going to get revealed.
Also, I really think Hussie should have contributed a lot more of the art himself since it just made the final feel a lot like fanfiction. As least Cascade combined Hussie's own art, and the drawings in general looked like Hussie's art but more detailed.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 14, 2016 0:09:51 GMT
what the FUCK happened to (vriska) hussie you need to give me a answer
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Post by Arashi500 on Apr 14, 2016 3:08:39 GMT
I don't think I'll have any truly concrete feelings about the ending until we've gotten the Epilogue in whatever form it takes, though they do lean mostly positive. It's a great ending, but I don't quite feel like it was the point in the story to have it end, but it being 4/13/16, there's hardly a better date for a story so packed with symbology. But if I could magically change one thing about it, I think I'd want the effects of the HS juju to be a bit clearer.
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Post by thezcmme on Apr 15, 2016 21:22:24 GMT
what the FUCK happened to (vriska) hussie you need to give me a answer Some people thought she was double-killed along with Pre-Retcon Terezi by Lord English. Of course that's just a theory. They could easily be happy ghosts living in the dream bubble. Unless they were killed during Act 7 by suction of the black hole shown during Aradia's short appearance.
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