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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 15, 2016 21:35:49 GMT
Yeah, but I meant more from a character point of view. This way, it's like oh, it turns out Vriska's abusive treatment of him was justified all along! Like, no? This Vriska is post-retcon; regardless of how much she tinks she's matured, she is still a self-centered manipulative bitch who only thinks of Tavros (at best) as a disposable tool, and displayed this attitude multiple times (during the lilypad meeting, and even in the afterlife when she appeared genuinely shocked at the idea that Tavros could have actually managed to accomplish something important). She used Tavros as a cat-trap; typical of her. Even if it worked, this doesn't justify it... to anyone who's not Vriska, of course. It was justified by the narrative when GCatavrosprite slept through the entire battle, didn't do anything, was literally never seen again, and then Vriska didn't get any comeuppance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 12:56:05 GMT
This Vriska is post-retcon; regardless of how much she tinks she's matured, she is still a self-centered manipulative bitch who only thinks of Tavros (at best) as a disposable tool, and displayed this attitude multiple times (during the lilypad meeting, and even in the afterlife when she appeared genuinely shocked at the idea that Tavros could have actually managed to accomplish something important). She used Tavros as a cat-trap; typical of her. Even if it worked, this doesn't justify it... to anyone who's not Vriska, of course. It was justified by the narrative when GCatavrosprite slept through the entire battle, didn't do anything, was literally never seen again, and then Vriska didn't get any comeuppance. And also was prototyped with his fucking allergen in the first place. Shit, it's a straight up torture, but nobody cares.
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Post by melonlord on Apr 17, 2016 16:16:06 GMT
It was justified by the narrative when GCatavrosprite slept through the entire battle, didn't do anything, was literally never seen again, and then Vriska didn't get any comeuppance. And also was prototyped with his fucking allergen in the first place. Shit, it's a straight up torture, but nobody cares. It really, really bothers me when I see a post on tumblr about how "funny" Gcatavrosprite is. We have here a character who was bullied, then manipulated, then fused to something that causes him pain and misery, forever, with no way to escape, no way to treat it (unless allergy medication works on game constructs for whatever reason) and no reprieve or break because he IS the allergen. All coordinated by Vriska, his former lover/abuser and carried out by Jake, the closest thing he has to a friend. He's such a goshdarned side-splitter, isn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 13:27:31 GMT
And also was prototyped with his fucking allergen in the first place. Shit, it's a straight up torture, but nobody cares. It really, really bothers me when I see a post on tumblr about how "funny" Gcatavrosprite is. We have here a character who was bullied, then manipulated, then fused to something that causes him pain and misery, forever, with no way to escape, no way to treat it (unless allergy medication works on game constructs for whatever reason) and no reprieve or break because he IS the allergen. All coordinated by Vriska, his former lover/abuser and carried out by Jake, the closest thing he has to a friend. He's such a goshdarned side-splitter, isn't he? He could've died offscreen for all we know, what was even the point of him existing? (god, if only every time i say or write "what was even the point" in context of HS ending i would get at least a cent, i would be rich by now...) Actually, now that i think of it, i don't see that much of an accomplishments done by Davepeta either. All they have done was blabbering about "Greater Self" (which went nowhere on it's own, so "what was even the point" all over again) and that one questionable UT REFRANCE. There was this talk about "Orange and emerald unpleasant together for Caliborn", but it ALSO went nowhere, so... why? I mean, look. If we simply SWITCH prototyping components without even adding something new, it'll be so much better: Daveros^2: -Dave and Tavros actually interacted in the comic; -Orange and blue are complementary colors; -Both had similar self-esteem issues; -If Dave/Tavros logs from acts 3 and 4 are anything to go by, this sprite's speech would be fucking GOLDEN; -Tavros will be able to fly again; -PxS reference. NepGCat: -Nepeta; -Cat; -Green; -Do you really need anything else? But no. Honestly, i think Hussie is perfectly aware of these being better combinations, but he simply had no idea what to do with new sprites and decided to subvert people's expectations just for the sake of subverting.
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Post by G'relleth on Apr 18, 2016 15:43:50 GMT
I mean, look. If we simply SWITCH prototyping components without even adding something new, it'll be so much better: Daveros^2: -Dave and Tavros actually interacted in the comic; -Orange and blue are complementary colors; -Both had similar self-esteem issues; -If Dave/Tavros logs from acts 3 and 4 are anything to go by, this sprite's speech would be fucking GOLDEN; -Tavros will be able to fly again; -PxS reference. NepGCat: -Nepeta; -Cat; -Green; -Do you really need anything else? But no. Honestly, i think Hussie is perfectly aware of these being better combinations, but he simply had no idea what to do with new sprites and decided to subvert people's expectations just for the sake of subverting. I've already posted these somewhere else but here they are again.
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Post by Acamaeda on Apr 19, 2016 20:12:58 GMT
For those unsatisfied with the story ending here, I give you Project Omega. (Also Davepeta is the best thing that ever happened in anything)
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Post by ahumblemspauser on Apr 24, 2016 17:14:35 GMT
what the FUCK happened to (vriska) hussie you need to give me a answer Remember Remem8er? I believe that was supposed to conclude her arc. (Vriska) and (Terezi) meeting after all that time in the dream bubbles. Scourge Sisters forever.
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Post by sigh on Apr 25, 2016 8:10:01 GMT
If there's one thing I outright hated about the ending thus far it was who lived and who died when it came to the non-humans and non-trolls. We see Spades bite the dust along with English!Jack (speaking of what even was the point of that character again? He just kind of shows up out of nowhere and is deemed a threat despite the fact that as far as I can remember nobody should know he exists), yet meanwhile the Jack that used to be Bec Noir gets to live with Spade's squeeze sans an arm?
One of my biggest criticisms of the trolls when they were first introduced was that their unbelievable popularity among the fandom should have been siphoned off a bit and redistributed to the carapicians and the other quirky denizens of SBURB, but once the zodiac fiends got a hold of the fandom Hussie had no choice but to waste perfectly good carapicians in order to make room for these new trolls, more than half of which don't even end up contributing in any meaningful way to the end of the story!
I feel like a bitter old man yelling about the good ol' days, but my God I hate it when a character that's built up gets wasted. That's probably why I can never watch GoT, the senselessness of the violence and retribution in that show feels like it would drain my very soul.
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Post by Acamaeda on Apr 26, 2016 16:39:29 GMT
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Post by G'relleth on Apr 28, 2016 15:02:11 GMT
On thing that kind of bothered me is how the felt just... vanished. After jake beat them we never saw them again. I was actually hoping that Jake would become the new leader of the felt and stand up to vriska with his new gang.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 28, 2016 15:30:07 GMT
On thing that kind of bothered me is how the felt just... vanished. After jake beat them we never saw them again. I was actually hoping that Jake would become the new leader of the felt and stand up to vriska with his new gang. It certainly would be rad to see Jake actually lead a gang. Probably would earn some of Vriska's respect if she was around.
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Post by eerr on Apr 28, 2016 18:05:05 GMT
The sprites accurately show why Tavros/Bird/Dave wasn't chosen, They look like Lucifer.
A sprite squared Lucifer would imply all sorts of things, but mostly a shift into religion. Namely devil worship.
Andrew Hussie isn't interested in writing the devil into his story.
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Post by Arashi500 on Apr 28, 2016 18:22:24 GMT
The sprites accurately show why Tavros/Bird/Dave wasn't chosen, They look like Lucifer. A sprite squared Lucifer would imply all sorts of things, but mostly a shift into religion. Namely devil worship. Andrew Hussie isn't interested in writing the devil into his story. What makes you say that? It's not like Hussie hasn't used plenty of religious symbolism, particularly Christian symbolism.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 28, 2016 19:05:03 GMT
The sprites accurately show why Tavros/Bird/Dave wasn't chosen, They look like Lucifer. A sprite squared Lucifer would imply all sorts of things, but mostly a shift into religion. Namely devil worship. Andrew Hussie isn't interested in writing the devil into his story. ...What the heck? Old Scratch is a name for the devil. Doc Scratch is probably implied to be a devil analogue. Doc Scratch probably IS the devil.
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Post by GreatKaiserNui on Apr 28, 2016 23:04:11 GMT
Vriska is obvious metaphorical representation of both Might makes Right and how the End justifies the Means.
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Post by eerr on Apr 28, 2016 23:53:33 GMT
The sprites accurately show why Tavros/Bird/Dave wasn't chosen, They look like Lucifer. A sprite squared Lucifer would imply all sorts of things, but mostly a shift into religion. Namely devil worship. Andrew Hussie isn't interested in writing the devil into his story. ...What the heck? Old Scratch is a name for the devil. Doc Scratch is probably implied to be a devil analogue. Doc Scratch probably IS the devil. Oh he is evil sure, but religiously devilish or realistically demonic? No. And that's what the look of Tavros/Dave/Crow looks like. Sprites are only art, after all.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 29, 2016 0:01:29 GMT
...What the heck? Old Scratch is a name for the devil. Doc Scratch is probably implied to be a devil analogue. Doc Scratch probably IS the devil. Oh he is evil sure, but religiously devilish or realistically demonic? No. And that's what the look of Tavros/Dave/Crow looks like. Sprites are only art, after all. You're not making any sense.
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Post by eerr on Apr 29, 2016 0:44:50 GMT
FFFFF ok here:
Andrew himself said that he choose not to add Tav/Dave/Crow Sprite because he looks like the devil.
I was trying to explain the details of how Andrew uses the sprites, but the sprites are irrelevant now anyway.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 29, 2016 0:55:11 GMT
FFFFF ok here: Andrew himself said that he choose not to add Tav/Dave/Crow Sprite because he looks like the devil. I was trying to explain the details of how Andrew uses the sprites, but the sprites are irrelevant now anyway. When did Hussie ever say that? EDIT: I honestly think that Davepeta was chosen because of a bunch of reasons that made them a more interesting and favorable character in Hussie's mind.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 29, 2016 1:24:11 GMT
FFFFF ok here: Andrew himself said that he choose not to add Tav/Dave/Crow Sprite because he looks like the devil. I was trying to explain the details of how Andrew uses the sprites, but the sprites are irrelevant now anyway. When did Hussie ever say that? EDIT: I honestly think that Davepeta was chosen because of a bunch of reasons that made them a more interesting and favorable character in Hussie's mind. Yeah, Hussie probably did Davepeta because he though Davepeta was better, not because of sprite memes.
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Post by InternallyLactiad on Apr 30, 2016 18:09:39 GMT
I watched both today (I know I'm late) x333333333333333333333333 I can't right now. I got so many feels. But I'm still curious about Tavros and Meenah
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Post by birdwords on Apr 30, 2016 18:41:15 GMT
I feel like the ending to Homestuck raised a bunch of questions without really answering anything, which really bothered me.
What did the House Juju do to LE? For that matter...what happened in that final confrontation with him at all? I kind of get the idea behind him being pocketed in the black hole, but I don't feel that leaving that all to happen off screen served any real purpose.
The fates of characters. Were all of the ghosts destroyed? Probably, but what about Sollux? Where did Aradia go? Why wasn't Terezi in the new universe? What happens to sprites when the game is won? If they died, how did Arquiusprite get to the masterpiece?
When did the masterpiece take place? Was it alpha or doomed kids involved? This is important because the fate of our heroes may very well be to die fighting LE when they come out of the house juju, but we just have no idea.
How did the same conversations with the cherubs occur in both the pre-retcon and post-retcon timeline of B2?
Who sent the final frog to Jade?
Why didn't every kid have to visit their denizen and get the grist horde released, which was stated to be necessary to the Ultimate Alchemy?
Okay those last three were more like plotholes that the ending was never likely to address, but the rest of the stuff I mentioned I would have really liked to see in Act 7. As for grist hordes, I suppose that's probably just because Hussie decided it was time to end the comic, even though half of the kids never talked to their denizen.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 30, 2016 18:45:35 GMT
I feel like the ending to Homestuck raised a bunch of questions without really answering anything, which really bothered me. What did the House Juju do to LE? For that matter...what happened in that final confrontation with him at all? I kind of get the idea behind him being pocketed in the black hole, but I don't feel that leaving that all to happen off screen served any real purpose. The fates of characters. Were all of the ghosts destroyed? Probably, but what about Sollux? Where did Aradia go? Why wasn't Terezi in the new universe? What happens to sprites when the game is won? If they died, how did Arquiusprite get to the masterpiece? When did the masterpiece take place? Was it alpha or doomed kids involved? This is important because the fate of our heroes may very well be to die fighting LE when they come out of the house juju, but we just have no idea. How did the same conversations with the cherubs occur in both the pre-retcon and post-retcon timeline of B2? Who sent the final frog to Jade? Why didn't every kid have to visit their denizen and get the grist horde released, which was stated to be necessary to the Ultimate Alchemy? Okay those last three were more like plotholes that the ending was never likely to address, but the rest of the stuff I mentioned I would have really liked to see in Act 7. As for grist hordes, I suppose that's probably just because Hussie decided it was time to end the comic, even though half of the kids never talked to their denizen. Yeah that's the thing with the ending. The majority of the events in it were obvious from the start, not any sort of new events or whatever. The comic can't end satisfyingly with creating a universe anymore when we knew this was the end goal since the end of Hivebent. And as for defeating Lord English, you can't just defeat this one iteration of him, given that his whole thing is being able to show up anywhere.
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Post by birdwords on Apr 30, 2016 18:52:03 GMT
Well, if he DID in fact get trapped in the Juju, then it makes sense because Caliborn said that the Juju traps souls, so therefore Lord English's soul would not be able to resurface anywhere else.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 30, 2016 19:20:06 GMT
Well, if he DID in fact get trapped in the Juju, then it makes sense because Caliborn said that the Juju traps souls, so therefore Lord English's soul would not be able to resurface anywhere else. Except Lord English from earlier in the timeline could still resurface anywhere.
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