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Post by melonlord on Apr 15, 2016 8:26:10 GMT
The premise here is simple. The ending we wanted, that we expected, that we were being led up to. The tried-and-true method of ending great struggles between good and evil. Namely, in the final confrontation the antagonist is simply too powerful to defeat and the heroes are about to lose everything. But then, usually through shenanigans and/or a supreme effort of will, the big bad is defeated. It's over. After everyone has a chance to breathe and get over their shock, there is an epilogue that wraps everything up. Problem Sleuth has this ending. The list of other great literature/game/movie examples is endless. So, as expected, LE does something that ruins the situation. Perhaps someone dies. The ominous feeling is justified. He seems impossible to kill, perhaps even untouchable. And then there is a Cascade of everything that has been set up that compounds and culminates in his defeat. Yes, Alt Calliope with the Green Sun to make him vulnerable(?) and Vriska with the house juju to actually take him down for good. But also Davepeta taking his soul apart, and Meenah fighting again (another life steal attempt?), and the ghost army actually doing something (so many unused powers. Perhaps a fraymotif with all 12 aspects?), and Vriska stealing LE's luck, and a timeline shenanigan or three accidentally set up by RetJohn. Things people have forgotten, things no one expected to be relevant again. How this ties in with entering the new universe has a few options, which I won't list here. Well, that would have probably been too pedestrian for me, although yes it sounds a lot better than what we got. I would have done something very specific that would have cashed in on all of the foreshadowing in the comic, especially the fact that Homestuck is a "creation myth", and it also would have more directly paralleled the ending of Problem Sleuth. I will probably write my ending later, maybe start a new thread. It is very long. I'd sign on for something like this. It'd be a pretty massive coordinated effort, though... Speaking personally, I'd rewrite everything from the retjohn arc forward, because the whole thing just turned into kind of a mess in my opinion and would have been a lot more effective if handled differently. Just ending-wise, though, I've always liked the idea of sealing Lord English within Paradox Space itself, escaping through the breach and having Kanaya sew it up behind them (GPI reference!) As for the new universe...after Lord English dramatically destroys the Genesis Tadpole, leaving them seemingly without hope, someone suggests something that may be just desperate enough to work. Using the combined powers of their aspects, or something else maybe, the kids use Calliope to create, not just a new universe, but an entirely new multiverse completely outside paradox space. Calliope could fulfill the ultimate Muse of Space role by literally becoming space itself, getting to be the ultimate witness, inspiration and embodiment of every story the kids will ever create. (Another, more elaborate GPI reference, basically) That's just my ramblings though, who knows if it would make a good ending.
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Post by ForestGardener on Apr 15, 2016 21:38:07 GMT
Sounds perfect, except that Calliope was told to live in a trustworthy context that meant "have a life". It could be done in a way that allows the alpha version (or at least a version) of all 24 trolls to enter, by having them vital to its success.
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Post by Acamaeda on Apr 16, 2016 17:28:27 GMT
I have a more elaborate ending that I've been working on a script for (from the current last page on). If anyone would be interested in helping to refine the script and/or create the actual comic, let me know!
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Post by morganwick on Apr 16, 2016 17:39:41 GMT
If I were to rewrite the ending, I'd start no later than A6A6I2. In my mind, devoting so much space to Game Over and the retcons is where Hussie really started going off-track, and I'm not convinced the retcons, or having Aranea force events into the corner that forced them, were all that necessary at all.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 16, 2016 17:49:48 GMT
If I were to rewrite the ending, I'd start no later than A6A6I2. In my mind, devoting so much space to Game Over and the retcons is where Hussie really started going off-track, and I'm not convinced the retcons, or having Aranea force events into the corner that forced them, were all that necessary at all. Yeah I agree here. But out of curiosity, do you think there would be a good alternate way to get around the events of Game Over?
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 16, 2016 19:56:51 GMT
I've got some thoughts on how I'd rewrite the ending. Nothing coherent, just random thoughts. I'd write Aranea's significance out of the story completely. The sequence could go like this: 1. The good guys arrive in the session, and Condy springs her X2 trap combo. 2. Grimbark Jade and Crockertier Jane do their same as before. 3. Karkat discovers some kind of more literal blood power. Maybe he gets the same kind of blood powers Condy has, but of course he has to learn how to use it effectively. I'd have him drink the blood potions Kanaya bought. 4. John, after mastering his retcon powers, zaps to B2 after beating up Caliborn and finds the session in a mess. 5. Character development happens and shit. 6. We get a Collide style fight, but the matchup's are different. Instead, it's:
John, Karkat, Roxy, and Rose vs. Condy
Dirk and Dave vs. Bec Noir and PM
Kanaya and Terezi vs. Gamzee
Jake and Erisolsprite vs. Spades Slick and the Felt
DD, CD, and Arquius are probably gonna get involved in shenanigans of some sort as well.
At some point, the Jake vs SS is gonna end early once Slick see Union Jack. Then it's gonna be Slick and Jake against Union Jack, and the Felt will either be comically confused on who to follow or turn on Slick (except MS. Paint)
Karkat uses his blood powers to cancel out Condy's mind control and free Jade and Jane. But at some point, the fight gets more complicated when Condy brings Bec Noir and PM over to her, and basically all the fights converge as a result.
Shit happens and the good guys win the fight.
Maybe this doesn't happen with one big animation. Maybe it'll encompass smaller ones or multiple pages.
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Post by Acamaeda on Apr 16, 2016 22:17:17 GMT
I feel like rewriting what's already canon would make things messy (and I liked the retcon and most of A6A6's content). The original canon would trump it. But if we keep going from the current "end", then people might even someday consider it to be canon.
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