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Post by alleywaycreeper on Nov 22, 2016 21:17:01 GMT
You don't need luck when you've got a kid (John) that can hop into any time line, find the person they need and then place them where they're needed. And we know from Collide that God Tier Rogues of Heart did exist in some time lines. Hell, maybe a ghost would do. Dead God Tier Feferi still had her healing powers. I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. Either to jump to a point in English's timeline when he's vulnerable, which we've gotten into before, or getting someone powerful enough to take him down in the present, which seems impossible. A Rogue of Heart is someone who steals souls for the sake of others. That sounds like someone who's uniquely qualified to undo a Frankensteinian soul monster.
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Post by staircaseofkneecaps on Nov 23, 2016 19:15:22 GMT
goo.gl/images/GIFpdVDad isn't grown up Problem Sleuth, he's grown up Ace Dick. Also what does IDE mean? It's been two years and I still don't know what it stands for.
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Post by digiornospizza on Nov 23, 2016 20:26:35 GMT
it was supposed to say IDEA when the very first thread was made. the name just stuck.
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Post by Gab on Nov 25, 2016 1:13:15 GMT
A Rogue of Heart is someone who steals souls for the sake of others. That sounds like someone who's uniquely qualified to undo a Frankensteinian soul monster. Stated role purposes (and really we're oversimplifying them at any rate) don't translate to level of power or effectiveness against, say, an invincible demon. I mean a rogue of heart probably has a leg up over some random chump, but there's still nothing to suggest one would be capable of injuring or affecting him like anyone else. Notice it seemed like he was able to break out of being timelocked pretty much on a whim, and Meenah apparently attempting to steal his life(?) appeared to have no effect whatsoever. More Lords and Muses? If nothing else, I'm sure they could at least counteract him, such as the Lord of Rage keeping him occupied with never-ending fisticuffs, or the Muse of Life creating new Lives and Universes just as fast as he can destroy them. Besides that, I wonder if someone could just gather up the pieces of Caliborn's broken clock and repair it. Might need some sort of JuJu to do so, but it seems like we can't go 5 steps without tripping over a new one, despite their supposed rarity. Or maybe even just some specific Hero of Time powers. Dave managed to make a sword that could be freely scrolled up and down it's own timestream. Could the same tech be applied to the clock debris, and just rewind it to before it was broken? What about Hephaestus? He is A) A Time Denizen and B) Specialises in fixing/forging things. There's a lot of possibilities. Lord English is pretty beyond even a master class though, due to his increased power and experience. Someone would similarly have to not only be a master class, but even higher to approach his level and be anything more than a nuisance to him. I suppose if several heroes of that league went at him at once, that could be another story... As for the clock, I feel it's implied Caliborn's clock goes on to become the one in Scratch's study, despite your claims the only other clock we've actually seen to physically exist. And that one has been repurposed, possibly to avoid just such a possibility. It may be impossible to transfer Caliborn's immortality back into the clock. Anyway in theory there's no need to go to such lengths because his weakness to cue balls is presumably tied to this fact about him anyway. Attacking him with either method would likely have similar outcomes, I think.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Nov 25, 2016 18:19:54 GMT
A Rogue of Heart is someone who steals souls for the sake of others. That sounds like someone who's uniquely qualified to undo a Frankensteinian soul monster. Stated role purposes (and really we're oversimplifying them at any rate) don't translate to level of power or effectiveness against, say, an invincible demon. I mean a rogue of heart probably has a leg up over some random chump, but there's still nothing to suggest one would be capable of injuring or affecting him like anyone else. Notice it seemed like he was able to break out of being timelocked pretty much on a whim, and Meenah apparently attempting to steal his life(?) appeared to have no effect whatsoever. I'm not suggesting anyone try to beat him (which both seems to be impossible and would be thematically inconsistent the way things look like they're going) I'm suggesting a Rogue of Heart steal his souls.
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Post by GreatKaiserNui on Nov 26, 2016 7:51:36 GMT
Hussie will give the universe over to Cohen and despite all the salt and tears we generate over his decisions, he will still be endorsed as ultimate canon by Hussie.
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Post by plainWonder on Nov 26, 2016 10:20:53 GMT
I hope the Mutie clones, which Roxy created of Jaspers, were able to survive and thrive as B2 Earth relocated to Universe C.
Wouldn’t it be cool that they devolved, or rather re-diversified, and that now all feline species on Earth have four eyes?
Four-eyed lions, four-eyed tigers, four-eyed lynxes...
If the lusii of Jake’s island had survived, there could also be crossbreeds with Alternian fauna, specifically Nepeta’s lusus’ species.
Imagine: four-eyed, two-mouthed cats.
Now, imagine the leader of a pack of neo-leopards (neopards - pronounced as Nep-ards, :33 < you know what I mean?). His right eyes clawed out in a previous battle, the scar having healed into a familiar lightning shape...
>::33
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Post by Gab on Nov 26, 2016 19:49:56 GMT
I'm not suggesting anyone try to beat him (which both seems to be impossible and would be thematically inconsistent the way things look like they're going) I'm suggesting a Rogue of Heart steal his souls. I know that, and I've been arguing why it wouldn't work.
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Post by obsidalicious on Nov 27, 2016 8:44:21 GMT
Lord English is pretty beyond even a master class though, due to his increased power and experience. Someone would similarly have to not only be a master class, but even higher to approach his level and be anything more than a nuisance to him. I suppose if several heroes of that league went at him at once, that could be another story... For all we know, cheesing the system like he did is just par for the course for Lords and all other Lords also have a myriad of ways in which they're stupidly OP. Plus, let's not limit ourselves in thinking about this just in terms of confrontation and fighting. All of Lord English's powers mostly relate to making him impossible to beat in a fight, but do any of his powers stop, say, a Muse of Heart just changing his very nature to make him not a dick? Does he have any protection against a Master of Void messing with his Void Propagation MO? I don't think Scratch's clock is Caliborns. But even if it was, so what if it's been repurposed? We're talking about Manipulation of Time here, just Un-Repurpose it. As for Cueballs, all indications suggest that the Cueball weakness is a per-iteration thing i.e. you may be able to take a cueball weapon to one particular English and vanquish him, but that only deals to that one iteration while all others go on. Fixing the Clock however, I believe would restore the Conditional Mortality to all iterations everywhere, bringing about a much more final solution.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Nov 27, 2016 12:05:19 GMT
I'm not suggesting anyone try to beat him (which both seems to be impossible and would be thematically inconsistent the way things look like they're going) I'm suggesting a Rogue of Heart steal his souls. I know that, and I've been arguing why it wouldn't work. Refresh my memory on that because what you seemed to be saying is that if Dirk couldn't do it nobody could because he was so strong, but for one, I'm saying strength isn't an issue when trying to beat him wouldn't work and shouldn't be attempted by the heroes anyway. (After all, we saw how well that worked in the masterpiece.) And for two, a Prince and a Rogue have two different jobs. A Prince of Void is not going to be able to summon a Matriorb out of thin air the way Roxy could. Just because a Prince couldn't take down English doesn't mean a Rogue couldn't. It's from the disparate souls that English get's his power, and Caliborn's soul has been granted , basically, immortality, so destroying that is just not going to happen. Stealing it, however, is still on the table. There's nothing that says something immortal can't be stolen the way it can't be destroyed. After that you could probably still have an immortal Lord of Time running around, but that's still magnitudes better than Lord English. If that isn't what you're saying though, I'd be happy with any clarification you could send my way. :)
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Post by Gab on Nov 27, 2016 16:08:47 GMT
For all we know, cheesing the system like he did is just par for the course for Lords and all other Lords also have a myriad of ways in which they're stupidly OP. Plus, let's not limit ourselves in thinking about this just in terms of confrontation and fighting. All of Lord English's powers mostly relate to making him impossible to beat in a fight, but do any of his powers stop, say, a Muse of Heart just changing his very nature to make him not a dick? Does he have any protection against a Master of Void messing with his Void Propagation MO? I don't think there's any kind of par for the course that spawned English. Among the tiny subset of solo sburb session players who are theoretically successful, Caliborn also happened to be a member of a rare, highly powerful races with unique bioligical qualities that let him cheat the system in unexpected ways. A master class is probably requisite for a session of two players or less, giving them enough power to complete the session as optimally as possible for lacking the numbers the game usually asks. The game would make them powerful, more powerful than other sburb players, but not so much as to break their own game, even if the wielder is particularly insidious. Extra help would be needed to get to that level, I think. That second part is definitely the point of contention, we DON'T know that. I brought up before it seemed like he was able to shake off effects of timelock and lifestealing at a whim, which is very subjective. One is his aspect, and the other plays right into his immortality. I, for one, think he would make lousy final boss material if he weren't totally invulnerable to all status effects, though that's a thematic argument. I DO feel like there is the implication that one cannot freely influence those of signifcant power. Aradia's narration says it's taking all her concentration to keep Jack locked in place, and that she won't be able to keep it up for long. In theory this would hold true in other aspects, being more difficult to influence the Heart or such of a particularly resilient foe, but it is all speculation. There is always the familiar argument that if he were for any reason afraid of such a person, he would manipulate the timeline to prevent himself from encountering one. If being immune to all aspects does not work, there is always gross exploitation of his own. I suppose that makes sense, if you think of his iterations in a nonlinear fashion like that. I don't, however. Killing him once will do the trick, as each leads into the next. Though this unfortunately makes his past iterations untouchable by way of predestination, which I think is fitting for him. He is not the type to be split in mind or body, not the type to so recklessly mismanage time traveling mechanics like your token Eggs and Biscuits. He cannot serve as the master of the alpha timeline as effectively as he has if he can't follow its rules. Refresh my memory on that because what you seemed to be saying is that if Dirk couldn't do it nobody could because he was so strong, but for one, I'm saying strength isn't an issue when trying to beat him wouldn't work and shouldn't be attempted by the heroes anyway. (After all, we saw how well that worked in the masterpiece.) And for two, a Prince and a Rogue have two different jobs. A Prince of Void is not going to be able to summon a Matriorb out of thin air the way Roxy could. Just because a Prince couldn't take down English doesn't mean a Rogue couldn't. It's from the disparate souls that English get's his power, and Caliborn's soul has been granted , basically, immortality, so destroying that is just not going to happen. Stealing it, however, is still on the table. There's nothing that says something immortal can't be stolen the way it can't be destroyed. After that you could probably still have an immortal Lord of Time running around, but that's still magnitudes better than Lord English. I honestly sometimes forget his soul is merged with those other guys. I never bought that they influenced him very heavily at all, like maybe some slight behavioral modifications and ever-so-slight classpect empowerment. To me they're almost more like recessive traits, not necessarily influencing him but resurfacing again much later when his genetic sequence is shuffled around to create Doc Scratch. And even that is kind of a stretch. I don't know if this didn't seem obvious to everybody else, but English seems like Caliborn, how he'd always want to be from the beginning, and the source of his power is being immortal and having rainbow laser breath that came from a clock. Nothing ever seemed missing from that formula, things didn't "click" when it was revealed he also had other guys souls merged with his. Anyway, for the specifics on the argument you're looking for, please see above.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Nov 27, 2016 19:32:13 GMT
Refresh my memory on that because what you seemed to be saying is that if Dirk couldn't do it nobody could because he was so strong, but for one, I'm saying strength isn't an issue when trying to beat him wouldn't work and shouldn't be attempted by the heroes anyway. (After all, we saw how well that worked in the masterpiece.) And for two, a Prince and a Rogue have two different jobs. A Prince of Void is not going to be able to summon a Matriorb out of thin air the way Roxy could. Just because a Prince couldn't take down English doesn't mean a Rogue couldn't. It's from the disparate souls that English get's his power, and Caliborn's soul has been granted , basically, immortality, so destroying that is just not going to happen. Stealing it, however, is still on the table. There's nothing that says something immortal can't be stolen the way it can't be destroyed. After that you could probably still have an immortal Lord of Time running around, but that's still magnitudes better than Lord English. I honestly sometimes forget his soul is merged with those other guys. I never bought that they influenced him very heavily at all, like maybe some slight behavioral modifications and ever-so-slight classpect empowerment. To me they're almost more like recessive traits, not necessarily influencing him but resurfacing again much later when his genetic sequence is shuffled around to create Doc Scratch. And even that is kind of a stretch. I don't know if this didn't seem obvious to everybody else, but English seems like Caliborn, how he'd always want to be from the beginning, and the source of his power is being immortal and having rainbow laser breath that came from a clock. Nothing ever seemed missing from that formula, things didn't "click" when it was revealed he also had other guys souls merged with his. Anyway, for the specifics on the argument you're looking for, please see above. I didn't say English was influenced by his non-Caliborn parts, just that their power was added to Caliborn's. Plus, we can definitely see a distinctly non-Caliborn like personality in Doc Scratch, which feels more like Hal and Equius than anything. And I'm still not exactly getting why a Rogue couldn't pull those pieces apart, per your above statements.
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Post by Gab on Nov 29, 2016 20:39:03 GMT
I didn't say English was influenced by his non-Caliborn parts, just that their power was added to Caliborn's. Plus, we can definitely see a distinctly non-Caliborn like personality in Doc Scratch, which feels more like Hal and Equius than anything. And I'm still not exactly getting why a Rogue couldn't pull those pieces apart, per your above statements. It was further back than I thought. This is what I was thinking of though. That second part is definitely the point of contention, we DON'T know that. I brought up before it seemed like he was able to shake off effects of timelock and lifestealing at a whim, which is very subjective. One is his aspect, and the other plays right into his immortality. I, for one, think he would make lousy final boss material if he weren't totally invulnerable to all status effects, though that's a thematic argument. I DO feel like there is the implication that one cannot freely influence those of signifcant power. Aradia's narration says it's taking all her concentration to keep Jack locked in place, and that she won't be able to keep it up for long. In theory this would hold true in other aspects, being more difficult to influence the Heart or such of a particularly resilient foe, but it is all speculation.
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Post by obsidalicious on Nov 29, 2016 20:54:54 GMT
I don't think English was actually defying Meenah's Life Steal, so much as he just had the Infinite Health to make the attack ineffectual.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Nov 29, 2016 21:23:00 GMT
That second part is definitely the point of contention, we DON'T know that. I brought up before it seemed like he was able to shake off effects of timelock and lifestealing at a whim, which is very subjective. One is his aspect, and the other plays right into his immortality. I, for one, think he would make lousy final boss material if he weren't totally invulnerable to all status effects, though that's a thematic argument. I DO feel like there is the implication that one cannot freely influence those of signifcant power. Aradia's narration says it's taking all her concentration to keep Jack locked in place, and that she won't be able to keep it up for long. In theory this would hold true in other aspects, being more difficult to influence the Heart or such of a particularly resilient foe, but it is all speculation. I don't understand. Are you arguing that because Meenah's (apparent) life drain (which she was using on someone who was effectively immortal) didn't kill him and Aradia's time lock didn't last forever a God Tier Rogue of Heart couldn't pull his pieces apart? If that's what you're arguing, I don't understand why. I don't think English was actually defying Meenah's Life Steal, so much as he just had the Infinite Health to make the attack ineffectual. Also what obsidalicious said.
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Post by nakAratoo on Nov 30, 2016 6:33:09 GMT
Exposition has put LE's one weakness as "the exploitation of glitches", as per the Ultima reference. I don't think any player's power would ever work on him in away that wouldn't just make him stronger or unknowingly lead to his appearance in the first place. That's kind of his deal.
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Post by Gab on Nov 30, 2016 16:17:11 GMT
I don't think English was actually defying Meenah's Life Steal, so much as he just had the Infinite Health to make the attack ineffectual. That's basically what I was getting at. Maybe he's invincible, or maybe he just can't possibly run out of life. Though it doesn't seem to benefit Meenah in any way, which you think it might if it were working. But that's also very subjective and hard to tell for sure. I don't understand. Are you arguing that because Meenah's (apparent) life drain (which she was using on someone who was effectively immortal) didn't kill him and Aradia's time lock didn't last forever a God Tier Rogue of Heart couldn't pull his pieces apart? If that's what you're arguing, I don't understand why. My point, to repeat myself again, is that while it's not clear due to playing into English's strengths whether he can shrug off other god tier effects, such as his Soul(s) being pulled out of him or separated or whatever it is you think could actually be accomplished. So even supposing English for some reason isn't or hasn't found a way to simply be immune to such an effect, what exactly is the benefit of a Rogue of Heart doing their thing on him? I suppose I should get some clarification on this subject as long as I'm debating against it. Exposition has put LE's one weakness as "the exploitation of glitches", as per the Ultima reference. I don't think any player's power would ever work on him in away that wouldn't just make him stronger or unknowingly lead to his appearance in the first place. That's kind of his deal. Technically, a number of things have been labelled as his "only" weakness. He's accrued quite a few over the course of the story, and you could argue some play into each other. But yeah, that's largely what I'm trying to say. He'd be a pretty sorry final boss if it was that easy to sabotage him. It would have to take a tremendous effort just to get around his invincibility.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Nov 30, 2016 22:26:57 GMT
I don't understand. Are you arguing that because Meenah's (apparent) life drain (which she was using on someone who was effectively immortal) didn't kill him and Aradia's time lock didn't last forever a God Tier Rogue of Heart couldn't pull his pieces apart? If that's what you're arguing, I don't understand why. My point, to repeat myself again, is that while it's not clear due to playing into English's strengths whether he can shrug off other god tier effects, such as his Soul(s) being pulled out of him or separated or whatever it is you think could actually be accomplished. So even supposing English for some reason isn't or hasn't found a way to simply be immune to such an effect, what exactly is the benefit of a Rogue of Heart doing their thing on him? I suppose I should get some clarification on this subject as long as I'm debating against it. Because English is basically the sum of his parts. You pull that apart and all your left with are his components, which would be a lot easier to deal with then him. And maybe it doesn't even have to be English himself. Sic a God Tiered Nepeta on the doll. That could be an even more effective course of action.
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Post by nakAratoo on Dec 1, 2016 4:31:03 GMT
I disagree. That's like saying you can defeat retcon!John by pulling him apart into his component Grandpa and Nanna. Just because all the different parts went into Lil Cal/LE that doesn't mean they're anything but miscible. Lord English could be an entirely unique being, brought about from their fusion, and perhaps that's why he's unafraid of the juju: He never used it himself.
In any case, powers gifted through titles aren't glitches, so I'd doubt they'd ever work. Even if they did, and Nepeta could pull LE apart, that wouldn't affect Lil Cal, because he's a juju. He's inviolate. He can be retrieved from the void again and again.
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Post by obsidalicious on Dec 1, 2016 4:52:22 GMT
I disagree. That's like saying you can defeat retcon!John by pulling him apart into his component Grandpa and Nanna. Just because all the different parts went into Lil Cal/LE that doesn't mean they're anything but miscible. Lord English could be an entirely unique being, brought about from their fusion, and perhaps that's why he's unafraid of the juju: He never used it himself. In any case, powers gifted through titles aren't glitches, so I'd doubt they'd ever work. Even if they did, and Nepeta could pull LE apart, that wouldn't affect Lil Cal, because he's a juju. He's inviolate. He can be retrieved from the void again and again. The John comparison is completely off, because Jane and Jake aren't components, they're Genetic Relatives. As for the divisibility of Lord English, we can see from Sprites that a fusion can be considered a whole new entity yet can be separated again into their separate components. Plus, Nepeta's power need not be applied so literally. It is said that her Rogue of Heart role can be seen in how her Moiralliegance with Equius took away his destructive nature i.e. stole a metaphorical part of his identity. With the power boost from God Tiering a Nepeta might be able to do a similar thing, not just straight out ripping Caliborn out, but downplaying his influence to bring the others to the forefront of Lord English's nature.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Dec 1, 2016 15:12:39 GMT
In any case, powers gifted through titles aren't glitches, so I'd doubt they'd ever work. Even if they did, and Nepeta could pull LE apart, that wouldn't affect Lil Cal, because he's a juju. He's inviolate. He can be retrieved from the void again and again. Ahem: And maybe it doesn't even have to be English himself. Sic a God Tiered Nepeta on the doll. That could be an even more effective course of action.
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Post by staircaseofkneecaps on Dec 1, 2016 18:32:56 GMT
Lil Cal after the masterpiece is intangible in the void is he not? I always took it as Lil Cal is in the void as pure data without a corporeal form, and when Gamzee summoned him into Dave's dream room he was essentially copy/pasting Cal into the room. So even if you took that version of Cal and ripped the souls out of him he'd still exist in the void.
The rules of Jujus say they can't be cloned like that, but it happened with Doc Scratch, where the Souldata was taken from Cal so if Gamzee is copy/pasting Lil Cal's soul data into a brand new Cal it TECHNICALLY isn't the same juju? I don't know.
The main point here is Lil Cal is intangible, I think (but maybe not also, don't quote me on anything.)
Also another thing we haven't considered is what to do with those souls once they're ripped out of LE. Assuming God Tier Nepeta can steal his souls, where would she put them? She'd just have these souls kinda hanging with her. If she steals them into herself, she becomes LE. If she lets go of them into thin air would breathing them in mean you're breathing in LE? Could we start an LEpidemic, where you can become LE by breathing in his souls? Are souls tangible items even. In Homestuck we've seen Dirk begin to tear Aranea's soul out of her body, but we never saw the soul actually leave the body- what happens when the soul is removed? The only other time we've seen souls removed from a body (IIRC) was during the masterpiece, but they moved them from their host bodies to Cal. So if I'm understanding it right if you simply pull a soul out of a body it is destroyed as it cannot survive without a host. The only other option would be to move it from body to body like Dirk did which probably wouldn't solve the issue, a la Lil Cal. If you grabbed the souls individually and put them in different hosts you could probably weaken LE, but Caliborn's soul, Gamzee's soul, and Arquius' soul are all still alive, and Caliborn's soul STILL can't be destroyed, and you can't keep down the clown so that's only 1/3 neutralized. Assuming Arquius isn't invincible. And that's just assuming you can even pull the souls apart, if they are permanently fused together now then you're only option is to destroy the souls completely (Which I don't think can happen, considering 2/3s of LE is invinicisoul and invinciclown) or lock the souls away, which the kids already tried with Lil Cal.
I forget the point I was making, so in conclusion I will just say that LE is pretty much invincible. I mean, you could probably exploit some sort of glitch to beat him... wow wouldn't it be weird if this was the canon confirmed method of defeating him? As far as I'm concerned, none of the god tiers' powers are glitches as they are provided by the game them-self.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Dec 1, 2016 19:31:31 GMT
Lil Cal after the masterpiece is intangible in the void is he not? I always took it as Lil Cal is in the void as pure data without a corporeal form, and when Gamzee summoned him into Dave's dream room he was essentially copy/pasting Cal into the room. So even if you took that version of Cal and ripped the souls out of him he'd still exist in the void. The rules of Jujus say they can't be cloned like that, but it happened with Doc Scratch, where the Souldata was taken from Cal so if Gamzee is copy/pasting Lil Cal's soul data into a brand new Cal it TECHNICALLY isn't the same juju? I don't know. The main point here is Lil Cal is intangible, I think (but maybe not also, don't quote me on anything.) Scratch was ectobiologized from Cal and a Magic Cue ball. No cloning of a Juju required. Cal has never been cloned. And the Cal that pops out of the Void (and say, for example, into Dave's dream room) is not intangible. So if I'm understanding it right if you simply pull a soul out of a body it is destroyed as it cannot survive without a host. The only other option would be to move it from body to body like Dirk did which probably wouldn't solve the issue, a la Lil Cal. If you grabbed the souls individually and put them in different hosts you could probably weaken LE, but Caliborn's soul, Gamzee's soul, and Arquius' soul are all still alive, and Caliborn's soul STILL can't be destroyed, and you can't keep down the clown so that's only 1/3 neutralized. That would still be better than LE. But in any case....why not chuck the souls into the House Juju? It is, after all, apparently meant to contain four souls.
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Post by nakAratoo on Dec 2, 2016 3:45:14 GMT
I disagree. That's like saying you can defeat retcon!John by pulling him apart into his component Grandpa and Nanna. Just because all the different parts went into Lil Cal/LE that doesn't mean they're anything but miscible. Lord English could be an entirely unique being, brought about from their fusion, and perhaps that's why he's unafraid of the juju: He never used it himself. In any case, powers gifted through titles aren't glitches, so I'd doubt they'd ever work. Even if they did, and Nepeta could pull LE apart, that wouldn't affect Lil Cal, because he's a juju. He's inviolate. He can be retrieved from the void again and again. The John comparison is completely off, because Jane and Jake aren't components, they're Genetic Relatives. As for the divisibility of Lord English, we can see from Sprites that a fusion can be considered a whole new entity yet can be separated again into their separate components. Plus, Nepeta's power need not be applied so literally. It is said that her Rogue of Heart role can be seen in how her Moiralliegance with Equius took away his destructive nature i.e. stole a metaphorical part of his identity. With the power boost from God Tiering a Nepeta might be able to do a similar thing, not just straight out ripping Caliborn out, but downplaying his influence to bring the others to the forefront of Lord English's nature. The John comparison could easily be completely correct. We don't know what process the people soul-blended into Lil Cal underwent. Assuming the pieces could be pulled apart after being thoroughly mixed together by someone's whose job description is "soul destroyer" doesn't spell out the best of outcomes. I'd have no problem with it being attempted as a possible solution in the comic, as long as it failed. It's a boring solution, though using Nepeta to draw out specific characteristics sounds much better (even if I disagree that moirallegiance is a manifestation of her role). As for drawing distinctions between LE and Cal: Unless the story goes out of its way to say Jujus are glitches, which it hasn't (and instead has provided evidence against) I wouldn't want it to work.
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Post by obsidalicious on Dec 2, 2016 5:10:27 GMT
The John comparison could easily be completely correct. No, I think we can be fairly certain that John isn't a Soul Fusion of Jane and Jake. For one thing, we see that the machine worked with Genetic Material, not anything else. On top of that, if John was a Soul Fusion of nanna!Jane and granddad!Jake, then wouldn't he have their memories, since that's how it worked with every other fusion? You're assuming that Aranea was actually right about the Glitches thing. For one thing, Aranea herself isn't exactly the most stable and trustworthy individual. After all, if she really believed that, why did her plan just involve the application of basic Sburb powers? If she was right, then her own plan would never work. Or maybe using powers in the unusual fashion she attempted was what she meant by 'glitch' or 'exploit', in which case defeating Lord English with powers is still a viable option. Secondly, where did Aranea get all this info? The number of anti-English prophecies that seemed to spring up out of nowhere is too convenient. Given how some of them are not only wrong but actually helped English in the long run, I suspect that several, if not all of these prophecies were red herrings and/or traps laid by English himself. Although, now that I say it, can anyone actually cite this prophecy in question? I do remember it being said, yet I can't find it in the page search function nor in the Openbound transcripts.
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