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Post by Blaperile on Mar 31, 2016 21:35:43 GMT
The thread to post any theories you might have about what is yet to come in the comic.
Thread name history:
1) Post 1 to 79: [S] Everyone: Strife! 2) Post 80 to 138: True conclusion in Intermission 3? 3) Post 139 to 225: Things Gonna Get Real Bad Soon 4) Post 226 onwards: All theories are canon.
The latest updates have made me so excited for the endgame battles that a lot of predictions have been running through my head.
IDE/Theory: The EOA animation will be very similar to Cascade, in that it will be one giant animation consisting of several sort of separated parts, each with their own songs.
For the LOTAK battle, the Noirscape song will be used. This would be very appropriate for multiple reasons: Noirscape refers to Lord Noir's escape from the Prospit jail cell, it uses the Liquid Negrocity melody which is appropriate for both Jacks present at the fight, it uses the Crystalanthemums melody which is appropriate for Terezi, and it uses the Beatdown melody which is appropriate for Dave and Dirk and the fact that this will be a rooftop battle.
For the transitions between the multiple fight scenes this will happen through the fight of Jade, Bec Noir & PM which will take them through a lot of different locations just like in Jade's Uranium Imp Strife or her strife with Bec.
IDE/Theory: The fight of Jade, Bec Noir & PM will start at the lilypad platform. The beginning of their fight will thus reference the fight between Briska & Bec Noir, and also the moment that PM first entered the A2 session on that platform to confront Bec Noir. Possibly the Dogfight song will be used for this.
IDE/Theory (made this up together with plainWonder): The fight of the ghost army against Lord English will reference the fight of the Trolls against the Black King. Rex Duodecim Angelus or a remastered version of it will be used for this, with the melody of the Black King representing Lord English here. When the melodies of the many different Trolls come in we cut to each of the 12 Trolls doing a whole bunch of stuff (in other fights or in the fight with Lord English). Gamzee's part will show him breaking out of the fridge. Vriska's part will show her using the juju against Lord English.
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Post by plainWonder on Mar 31, 2016 21:41:39 GMT
In addition to the above: The ghost army starts by attacking Lord English from all sides, like the Aradiabots attacked Bec Noir.
The part of Rex Duodecim Angelus that uses Nepeta's and Equius' theme is used to show Jasprosesprite^2 and Arquiusprite working together to attack or distract one or more of the villains.
When Feferi and Eridan's theme comes up, it would be a good moment to show a dead Feferi and Eridan, or even the long awaited return of Erisolsprite.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 1, 2016 12:19:49 GMT
I am humbly requesting a Liveblog Discussion Thread No need to request! It's perfectly fine if you create that thread yourself. Any thread that exists on MSPA Forums is welcome over here as well during this downtime! More serious predictions can be found at my bingo card. Music choices are in it, too, just add the Lordling, Negastrife, and Green Ghost to them. Ooh, nice! I should check out my own bingo card... Looks like I can cross off one item from my bingo chart too!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 12:42:25 GMT
No need to request! It's perfectly fine if you create that thread yourself. Any thread that exists on MSPA Forums is welcome over here as well during this downtime! Nah. I don't think there'll be actually that much of Liveblog discussion, hence why i half-joked about it.
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 1, 2016 17:37:12 GMT
Hello , everyone! I'm so glad to see that there is a new replacement forums for those of us who missed the MSPA Forums. When we needed you most, you vanished..... So, thanks to Blap for setting this all up.
Anywho, been meaning to talk to other about this but, what do all of you think about infamous theorist BKEW's endgame theories? Do you think Jake and Jane will end up as the true final bosses of Homestuck, with Jake replacing Lord English and Jane replacing the Condese? Is Dave definetly going to die via a third scratch to the Cherub session? How about the escape of Paradox Space entirely as a way to truly win and create a new universe completely outside of LE's purview?
Personally, I'm not sure where I stand on his theories. i can see where he gets his ideas from by reading into themes and symbolism. However, I am fairly skeptical. Having Jake and Jane reduced to baddies when their characters aren't nearly as developed as Dirk and Roxy's would be very upsetting to me. Dave's death seems like something that could happen, but I don't know if he will die. The only theory of his that I have been convinced about (and am even now moreso because of the update with Alt!Calliope) is the Green Sun's imminent destruction. Since we got to see it created, it makes sense to see it destroyed. Not sure how else everything will add up, though.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 1, 2016 17:56:15 GMT
Hello , everyone! I'm so glad to see that there is a new replacement forums for those of us who missed the MSPA Forums. When we needed you most, you vanished..... So, thanks to Blap for setting this all up. Thank you! Glad to have you here with us too! The more the merrier. Anywho, been meaning to talk to other about this but, what do all of you think about infamous theorist BKEW's endgame theories? Do you think Jake and Jane will end up as the true final bosses of Homestuck, with Jake replacing Lord English and Jane replacing the Condese? Is Dave definetly going to die via a third scratch to the Cherub session? How about the escape of Paradox Space entirely as a way to truly win and create a new universe completely outside of LE's purview? Personally, I'm not sure where I stand on his theories. i can see where he gets his ideas from by reading into themes and symbolism. However, I am fairly skeptical. Having Jake and Jane reduced to baddies when their characters aren't nearly as developed as Dirk and Roxy's would be very upsetting to me. Dave's death seems like something that could happen, but I don't know if he will die. The only theory of his that I have been convinced about (and am even now moreso because of the update with Alt!Calliope) is the Green Sun's imminent destruction. Since we got to see it created, it makes sense to see it destroyed. Not sure how else everything will add up, though. Any thoughts? Yeah, I've always been pretty conflicted about BKE. I used to be really bothered by the way he seemed to treat his theories as the most superior ones around with no possible alternatives allowed, but lately I think he's been far more reasonable about it. I like the things he says about the Ultimate Riddle, and I think he might be onto something about the Green Sun. And he also did a really good job at predicting Auto-Responder = Doc Scratch. But I'm not really a fan of his theories about Jane, Jake and Dave. I considered them to be a little bit farfetched. But if he does end up being right about them, then I'd definitely congratulate him. Also, his reactions to updates are usually pretty interesting to read.
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 1, 2016 18:00:36 GMT
Yeah. He's latest reactions to Davepetasprite^2 were hilarious. I forgot how much he hated the character, but it looks like he is warming up to them more and more, which is interesting to see, haha. I feel like a lot of people find his theories a little "out there', but after he someone totally predicted that the Auto-Responder would some day become Doc Scratch was pretty unexpected and gave him more cred for his other theories., so..
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 1, 2016 23:07:36 GMT
I just read a very interesting theory on Tumblr that Caliborn has already removed his eyeballs at this point, before going to confront Yaldabaoth.
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 1, 2016 23:28:39 GMT
I saw that. I was thinking, when I read that page, that his face was looking wierd. Looks like he will be receiveing the pool eyes very soon.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 2, 2016 21:47:58 GMT
Gonna post all the ideas I've been posting/reading in the Tv Tropes forum (since I just found out this thing exists):
- B2 Jack will obtain the scepter from Spades Slick and the ring from B1 Jack and use those to become Lord English (not sure about the ring, but the scepter seems likely).
- The Ghost Army is about to be rekt. Karkat will be the sole survivor, mirroring Jack defeating the carapacians in the battlefield and letting only WV live.
- Rose and Terezi are smiling in the latest potato because they are the ones who can see the future, and they win their battles.
- Jane and jade are msising from the latest potato. They are the ones who have been controlled by HIC before. Ominous? Nope.
- Hussie wouldn't be showing Caliborn vs Yalbadaoth if only stuff we are already know (he wins, gets the boon and the jusus) happened. Plot twist incoming.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 2, 2016 23:51:41 GMT
We are still in Act 6 Act 6 Intermission 5. Next update will be End Of Act 6.
Act 6 Act 6 Act 6 is missing.
And we saw Caliborn in an Intermission instead of an Act.
Something is not right here.
Either AH screwed up page names (unlikely), or something really weird is about to happen.
Really weird from a meta-story perspective, I mean. So weird it can even affect chapter names.
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Post by wheals on Apr 3, 2016 1:27:12 GMT
Well, the "Caliborn already pried out his eyes" theory got unconfirmed pretty quickly.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 3, 2016 3:28:49 GMT
The thing that took me an embarrassingly long time to notice was this.
IE, 40 pages between the End of Act 6 and the start of Act 7, like how the post-Descend segment had a few pages outside of the Act structure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 16:11:11 GMT
I have been negligent in keeping track; does DD still exist? Because I would love for him to play a surprise role in the EOA6 flash.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 3, 2016 16:17:06 GMT
I have been negligent in keeping track; does DD still exist? Because I would love for him to play a surprise role in the EOA6 flash. Yep, he still exists. Last time we saw him he was in Dad's prison cell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 16:21:29 GMT
Then I shall be hoping for his presence! Hearts is dead, that much is certain... Clubs? I think he's alive.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 3, 2016 16:22:56 GMT
Then I shall be hoping for his presence! Hearts is dead, that much is certain... Clubs? I think he's alive. Yep, Clubs is also still alive. He was last seen when the B2 Kids were still Tricksters.
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 4, 2016 1:39:27 GMT
I wonder what the big reveal with Caliborn and Yolobro are gonna be? Will we find out that this Caliborn isn't the one that becomes Lord English?
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 4, 2016 1:43:39 GMT
I think each of the six incoming fights will be accompanied by its own song. Some in particular I have in mind are Noirscape for the one with Slick and Jack English, Negastrife for Lord English, and something from the Cherubim album (The Lordling?) for King Yodelbooger.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 4, 2016 2:50:21 GMT
Theory: Davepetasprite will fuse with Calliope and half of Gamzee.
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Post by tentacleTherapist on Apr 4, 2016 3:15:43 GMT
Theory: Davepetasprite will fuse with Calliope and half of Gamzee. Theory^2: Davepetasprite^2 does by using Rogue of Heart powers, creating Calmazavapetaprite^2.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 4, 2016 6:49:03 GMT
I wonder what the big reveal with Caliborn and Yolobro are gonna be? Will we find out that this Caliborn isn't the one that becomes Lord English? Or it's just going to serve to explain how exactly Caliborn got his pool ball eyes and such. I don't really think there needs to be a special "reveal" here, Andrew perhaps just wants to show ONE Denizen fight in this comic and the one between Caliborn and Yaldbaoth would definitely qualify as the most epic one.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 4, 2016 10:49:18 GMT
Hello , everyone! I'm so glad to see that there is a new replacement forums for those of us who missed the MSPA Forums. When we needed you most, you vanished..... So, thanks to Blap for setting this all up. Anywho, been meaning to talk to other about this but, what do all of you think about infamous theorist BKEW's endgame theories? Do you think Jake and Jane will end up as the true final bosses of Homestuck, with Jake replacing Lord English and Jane replacing the Condese? Is Dave definetly going to die via a third scratch to the Cherub session? How about the escape of Paradox Space entirely as a way to truly win and create a new universe completely outside of LE's purview? Me personally? Jake, maybe. Jane, no, or at least not permanently. Dave dying...? Possibly, though I wouldn't really like it. And I'm still very much convinced that the comic ends with Paradox Space being destroyed and/or escaped. When Feferi and Eridan's theme comes up, it would be a good moment to show a dead Feferi and Eridan, or even the long awaited return of Erisolsprite. Oh my God, I forgot that we haven't seen Erisolsprite yet. And...the second Arquiusprite? We are still in Act 6 Act 6 Intermission 5. Next update will be End Of Act 6. Act 6 Act 6 Act 6 is missing.And we saw Caliborn in an Intermission instead of an Act. Something is not right here. Either AH screwed up page names (unlikely), or something really weird is about to happen. Really weird from a meta-story perspective, I mean. So weird it can even affect chapter names. Oh I really do hope something funny's going on. Something that'll really surprise us. - Hussie wouldn't be showing Caliborn vs Yalbadaoth if only stuff we are already know (he wins, gets the boon and the jusus) happened. Plot twist incoming. I hope so. I don't know what to expect of the upcoming flash, given both the Act confusion and the fact that most fights in Homestuck have been anti-climaxes or curb stomps. I wonder what the big reveal with Caliborn and Yolobro are gonna be? Will we find out that this Caliborn isn't the one that becomes Lord English? Or it's just going to serve to explain how exactly Caliborn got his pool ball eyes and such. I don't really think there needs to be a special "reveal" here, Andrew perhaps just wants to show ONE Denizen fight in this comic and the one between Caliborn and Yaldbaoth would definitely qualify as the most epic one. Most likely. Even after the masterpiece we still don't know precisely how he got those. Caliborn didn't even seem to know for sure.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 4, 2016 14:20:14 GMT
Oh I really do hope something funny's going on. Something that'll really surprise us. Well, keep in mind that we are going straigth into a Cascade-level act finale. The number of plot twists in Cascade is exceedingly high, and I expect no less from EOA6. After all, now everyone knows that the Tumor actually gave birth to the Green Sun, two universes were destroyed by two iterations of Jack Noir (one of which jumped from Session B1 to Universe B1 and then to Session A2 through a (still) completely unexplained device), Jade ascended to the God Tiers and gained Space and Green Sun powers, everyone escaped the Scratch in a way which was astonishingly meta even for Homestuck, and Doc Scratch was "an excellent host" in more than one sense. But who would have guessed those facts (and many more) before EOA5 actually happened? Never underestimade how good AH is at plot twists. Ever.
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Post by mementovivere on Apr 4, 2016 16:10:37 GMT
So, I think I've solved the mystery of the AH insert based on all of the clues we've been given. IDE: We have actually been completely mislead about the way that the AH author insert's timeline has gone. The whole DOTA scene with AH in the Sepulchritude shirt proposing to Vriska in the desert is actually the earliest point in his timeline that we've seen so far, and he has been in the dreambubbles the entire time--AH getting gunned down by Lord English (dressed like Calmasis, which I'll get into later) is the last point in his timeline (as far as we've seen, anyway). It doesn't actually make sense for the DOTA scene to have taken place after he got killed by Lord English, because we already know that ghosts generally appear in the clothes that they died in. Think about it--the Hussie mansion, as far as we've seen, is in the middle of a vast desert full of horses, next to a big ocean. This is actually exactly where he is now, in the exact same clothes we were first introduced to him in! The "fourth walls" he posesses don't actually exist in some kind of outside-of-the-story space... they're just ordinary fenestrated plane portals like Roxy has, and just like with Roxy's portals, the space between them that Jade and John pass through is in the dream bubbles, with the trip taking 3 years because the distance between the sessions is so great. Any weird goofy things that happen during the AH segments (like the wolf head showing up in the attic, or Falcor barfing on bullies) can then be explained as just dreambubble magic. IDE^2: Calmasis is a combined amalgamation of Alt!Calliope, Davepetasprite^2, and the other half of Gamzee, created as the opposite counterpart of Lord English, and Calmasis and LE are the two mirthful messiahs. This is why Calmasis appears to be wearing Calliope's clothes, Gamzee's grey skin, and Davepeta's hairstyle. Like, look at Calmasis's hair and Davepeta's side by side... they have the little curl and everything: Later, Calmasis and Lord English (the two mirthful messiahs) combine to create the AH insert, which is why they look so similar but not identical. SOMETHING has to account for AH's love of horses, and that's bound to be the ARquiusprite part of him. Alternate IDE^2: Calmasis IS the AH insert, and is created when they use the house juju against LE, which forces four individuals to combine into the four slots of the house juju: Lord English, Alt!Calliope, Davepetasprite^2, and 1/2 of Gamzee. They defeat him by transforming him into a more stable form, made of a perfectly balanced combination of brothers, moirails, two halves of a whole individual, and the Cal twins. Calmasis then ends up either painting his skin orange and donning a brown wig, or else changing his appearance via dreambubble magic. So basically, the full timeline would go: > Davepetapsprite^2 is inexplicably drawn to the battle against Lord English in a desert full of horses, because subconciously they know they're meant to be combined down the road > At some point alt!Calliope and 1/2 of Gamzee show up as well > Somehow in the final battle all of these components combine with Lord English to create the AH insert, possibly with Calmasis as an intermediary step but possibly not > the AH insert remains in the desert full of horses, but because time makes no sense in the dreambubbles, he runs into Vriska much earlier in her timeline and try to give her the Ring of Life (which is just the transformed Ring of Void that we see Caliborn with prior to becoming Lord English!) > the AH insert then does a bunch of dumb stuff in the dream bubbles (as seen in Openbound) and then follows Meenah/Vriska around, leading him to the ghost army battle against Lord English > some crazy battle stuff happens, the AH insert possibly watches his own creation happen because of dreambubble time weirdness > the AH insert decides to stay in the dreambubble desert and creates a mansion (or one is created from dreambubble memory magic) > the AH insert faithfully documents the craaaaazy tale that is Homestuck, retaining the exact same narrative control powers that Caliborn already possessed, but using a combination of the art styles of Calliope, Caliborn (right angles = aliased pixel style), Davesprite, and Dirk, and using Homosuck as a sort of "rough draft" > the AH insert eventually gets gunned down by Lord English, fulfilling the longstanding tradition of past selves hating their future selves and vice versa > Either something yet to be determined happens with the AH insert after death, or he's just straight up double-dead after that and that's the last we see of him
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