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Post by Pheryx on Oct 25, 2016 4:44:39 GMT
Still no sign of Sollux and Aradia, but was that a Nepeta that got sucked into the blackhole?
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Post by Gab on Oct 25, 2016 4:45:13 GMT
I used to argue we wouldn't get much more than Act 7, but this reeeeally makes me think twice. I mean it's already more than I was expecting, which leaves me very pleasantly surprised. The way it ended and the attention drawn to what I have just now been inspired to refer to as The Calamity makes me think there will be yet more to come, and not as an epilogue. It's not an epilogue until the command link starts says "Epilogue."
Probably not for a while though, if at all (no reason to get too greedy...). I could see the "true ending" of the comic being stretched out another year or more, which is why I'm content to continue referring to what we have for now as though it's all we'll ever see. If that turns out not to be the case, then I will again be pleasantly surprised. As it is this holiday season is already gearing up to be one of my favorites in years, and it's not even November yet.
I'll be happy to dive into the discussion in full tomorrow, once more people have seen it and I'm less tired. Until then, happy 10/25, east-coasters.
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Post by quixoticTokki on Oct 25, 2016 4:47:47 GMT
Still no sign of Sollux and Aradia, but was that a Nepeta that got sucked into the blackhole? Looked to be some ghost Nepeta, yup. Guess the dream bubbles are still being sucked into the black hole.
I really hope we get to see Sollux and Aradia in the epilogue though! Whenever that is...lol.
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Post by obsidalicious on Oct 25, 2016 4:50:56 GMT
I used to argue we wouldn't get much more than Act 7, but this reeeeally makes me think twice. I mean it's already more than I was expecting, which leaves me very pleasantly surprised. The way it ended and the attention drawn to what I have just now been inspired to refer to as The Calamity makes me think there will be yet more to come, and not as an epilogue. It's not an epilogue until the command link starts says "Epilogue."
Probably not for a while though, if at all (no reason to get too greedy...). I could see the "true ending" of the comic being stretched out another year or more, which is why I'm content to continue referring to what we have for now as though it's all we'll ever see. If that turns out not to be the case, then I will again be pleasantly surprised. As it is this holiday season is already gearing up to be one of my favorites in years, and it's not even November yet.
I'll be happy to dive into the discussion in full tomorrow, once more people have seen it and I'm less tired. Until then, happy 10/25, east-coasters. Well, let's not forget that we are talking about the man who once said Act 6 would be shorter than Act 5. So inb4 the Epilogue is longer than the rest of Homestuck combined.
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Post by pherociousDuodecim on Oct 25, 2016 4:52:22 GMT
I can't work out spoiler tags so I'll just say that was fun and silly and an awesome way to do what it did. And a good choice of sound all round. Wonderful.
Cascade is 5 years old. D: D: D:
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Post by crusadercaster on Oct 25, 2016 4:57:13 GMT
So this is what a upd8 rush feels and looks like.....beautiful.
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Post by melonlord on Oct 25, 2016 5:24:44 GMT
Huh.
Well. I'm still salty about the ending.
But...slightly less so now. I still think that actually staying in this universe - in ANY universe still connected to Paradox Space, honestly - is a mistake, and there's a lot of character stuff just left blowing in the wind. But I feel better about this than I did about act 7's complete uncertainty, and the way it ends implies that there will be more answers later.
So...yeah. This was nice. It was cute, and filled some gaps, and was all-in-all a pleasant experience. Dunno why they felt the need for separate "kingdoms" or whatever, though, that's just asking for a race war after most of the leaders are sucked into a plot hole in a little bit here. (Also...did they add other people to the mix, or did all of those humans actually just come from the 8 kids? Because if it's the latter, jesus FUCK is the Human Kingdom inbred.
Also, I'm half-pissed half-amused at what actually ended up provoking the Masterpiece(?). It wasn't something big and tragic, like Lord English wrecking their civilization, or reports of Vriska's death, or the sudden realization that their happy ending is a lie and their reality still suffers under the clawed foot of Lord English. No, it's just Caliborn trolling John over fucking snapchat. Like, c'mon dude, you're a grown ass man and he's like 11. I think you may be the first person ever to see the "FITE ME BIOTCH" taunt and actually decide to do it.
But, uh, yeah. Good stuff, overall. Maybe I'll have time to think it over and get angry at it in the morning, but for now, I'm somewhat satisfied.
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Post by Vriska on Oct 25, 2016 5:25:14 GMT
My only question is whether anyone here thinks Vriska is still alive.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 5:30:59 GMT
My only question is whether anyone here thinks Vriska is still alive. I see no reason to think otherwise yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 5:41:38 GMT
no, hussie, you can't bribe me with one of my favorite songs from one of my favorite musicians i still keep my salty and le wins bages in fact i am even saltier now, so i'll add another one
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Post by Arashi500 on Oct 25, 2016 6:40:49 GMT
That was lovely. Certainly not as extravagant as Act 7, but it was nice. Had a few of theories pop in to my head by the end. Like most of my theories, I'm not sure how much stock I put into any of these myself, but I enjoy thinking on 'em. The Bittersweet Theory: The Masterpiece, like all things LE, is inevitable, but can also be indefinitely postponed. The kids, trolls, Callie, and the rest of the extended gang get to live their idyllic new lives for as long as they want, provided the kids eventually face off against Caliborn. If for some reason they are unable to extend the trolls' lifespans and their mortal friends pass of natural causes, or they just got really really bored, or felt they had put it off long enough, or Caliborn eventually wore them down with his Snapchat taunting, or whatever, they could feasibly decide to finally go face him knowing that they'd be going to their dooms beforehand. This would kind of give you both the Alls Good Ending and the LE Wins Ending in a sort of roundabout way.
The Split-Alpha Timeline Theory: At one point or another, be it from John's retcon powers, Godtier!Calliope's black hole, Dave's time chicanery, or juju logic, the Alpha Timeline split into two separate timelines. I guess the most plausible way this could work would be the other retcon!John gathering up other versions of the kids to go fight LE in the Masterpiece in the prime kids' place? This theory seems more tenuous, though.
The Cyclical Story Theory: Given the amount of time travel and looping back on itself Homestuck already contains, plus the last "==>" linking back to the homepage, I wouldn't be too surprised if the comic's narrative is a Mighty Max style closed loop. But if that was the case, I think it would prolly loop back to the first proper page of Homestuck, not just the MSPA frontpage, which just so happens to include the first page.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 6:49:08 GMT
That was lovely. Certainly not as extravagant as Act 7, but it was nice. Had a few of theories pop in to my head by the end. Like most of my theories, I'm not sure how much stock I put into any of these myself, but I enjoy thinking on 'em. The Bittersweet Theory: The Masterpiece, like all things LE, is inevitable, but can also be indefinitely postponed. The kids, trolls, Callie, and the rest of the extended gang get to live their idyllic new lives for as long as they want, provided the kids eventually face off against Caliborn. If for some reason they are unable to extend the trolls' lifespans and their mortal friends pass of natural causes, or they just got really really bored, or felt they had put it off long enough, or Caliborn eventually wore them down with his Snapchat taunting, or whatever, they could feasibly decide to finally go face him knowing that they'd be going to their dooms beforehand. This would kind of give you both the Alls Good Ending and the LE Wins Ending in a sort of roundabout way.
The Split-Alpha Timeline Theory: At one point or another, be it from John's retcon powers, Godtier!Calliope's black hole, Dave's time chicanery, or juju logic, the Alpha Timeline split into two separate timelines. I guess the most plausible way this could work would be the other retcon!John gathering up other versions of the kids to go fight LE in the Masterpiece in the prime kids' place? This theory seems more tenuous, though.
The Cyclical Story Theory: Given the amount of time travel and looping back on itself Homestuck already contains, plus the last "==>" linking back to the homepage, I wouldn't be too surprised if the comic's narrative is a Mighty Max style closed loop. But if that was the case, I think it would prolly loop back to the first proper page of Homestuck, not just the MSPA frontpage, which just so happens to include the first page. What about the "Fighting Lord English does not result in their Doom" theory?
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Post by mementovivere on Oct 25, 2016 7:03:57 GMT
I'm personally super excited about this ending, and now I've finally had some time to digest it and discuss it a bit. Sooooo much stuff to love all around ;___; First of all, having the clickthrough of John's house in Can Town was just unfairly tugging at my nostalgiastrings. Oh how far we've come! And Caliborn's ending reference to Con Air was just the best. Pretty much everyone got happy endings that make sense for them, I like the callback to the four kingdoms of Problem Sleuth, and I love the long-term, realistic friendships and familial relationships that they've all developed. Snapchat was actually a surprisingly good medium to show these kinds of peeks into their lives over the years. Kanaya/Rose getting married was no surprise but was still cute to see, I was genuinely surprised to see the Trickster lollipop make a reappearance, I'm glad Jake and Dirk seem to have rebuilt a healthier relationship (with new friend Gcatavrosprite!) in Consort Kingdom, Terezi/Karkat/Dave/Jade as the Troll kingdom makes a weird amount of sense, the Carapace Kingdom is adorable and also full of badass girl power, and the Crockerberts all get to be a big happy family. Jake's arc makes a lot more sense when you see how he went from a teary mess to a billionaire/playboy/scientist/movie star, I'm super proud of Jane becoming both a businesswoman AND the mayor... so many good things for everyone. That said John seems sad, lonely (he still misses the Dad that HE grew up with, and he's seemingly the only person living alone), and more than a little bored. When I saw Caliborn's snap of a rainbow-magic billiard-eyed skull kid, a scarred fucked up clown alien, and a rusted robot bunny, it just looked like all the fucked-up parts of Homestuck's insanity personified... and I suspect John kind of misses that insane "dark carnival" that is Homestuck. Obviously this is going to result in him gathering his friends up to go zap BACK into the story that they left behind, which is how the Masterpiece happens. And then, I guess, they'll pop out of the house juju in front of Vriska and Lord English, and deal with all that. I'm really excited to see what the Epilogue proper brings And if it drops on 4/13... the comic will have ended up going for 8 years in spite of itself. Thanks, Vriska. Part of me is excited about how many theories are possibly on the table again... Alt Calliope + Davepeta + 1/2 Gamzee forming an anti-Lord English and battling in snake form around a black hole, or Vriska pulling the 8-ball pin from the voodoo doll in order to screw up the black hole in some way, or stuff involving the fates of the ghosts. But on the other hand, I also just want to bask in the good vibes that this update brought, and wait on the rest of the comic without building up TOO many expectations. No promises though. Ughhhh, I'm just really happy. After the initial disappointment of Act 7 (which is fine for what it is, in retrospect) this is such a good note for it to end on, or at least near. Homestuck still has its faults, sure, but I'm really glad that it's ending on what feels like a really satisfactory note, all things considered.
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Post by obsidalicious on Oct 25, 2016 8:38:41 GMT
More thoughts.. Over on the dropped plotlines thread, I said that Lil Seb never really served any purpose at all in its time with Caliborn. I guess that he has served a purpose to the story now. One dropped plotline down, 99+ to go. But besides that, I kinda feel this didn't actually add anything. The kids going from there to fight Caliborn was probably the biggest plot advancement, but many of us already guessed that was a thing that would happen, the only 'twist' is that I don't think that anyone was expecting the reasoning behind their decision to be so stupid. I can see John getting so unreasonably worked up at it, but how'd he convince the rest to go through with it? JOHN: hey guys theres this punk ass bitch who wants to fight us JOHN: also was just talking to terezi JOHN: apparently the universe is ripping itelf apart or some shit idk JANE: Wow, that sounds serious JANE: Should we look into that or something DIRK: Nah fuck that, our priority needs to be on beating up alien children ROSE: I was looking forward to a nice, quiet evening with my family ROSE: But you're right. ROSE: Such provocations cannot go unanswered KARKAT: sounds like you guys have this under control KARKAT: definitely won't needs to bring backup KARKAT: or prepare or research this guy in anyway. Also, Trickster Mode? Hussie's just going to have that show up without any explanation? The Sucker was dropped out of the Story itself, someone (Presumably John or Roxy) would have to make a deliberate attempt to retrieve it, and given what happened in A6A5A2, I don't see why any of them would. Not to mention how they all of the sudden have more control over it this time. And shout out to Terezi for being that one person who takes pictures of a disaster instead of helping out. Unless she was well zoomed in, that Dear Sweet Precious Sweet Dear Precious Nepeta looked to be within arms reach.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 13:33:08 GMT
So, according to a Tumblr post I just saw, we might get something else on Halloween.
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Post by mementovivere on Oct 25, 2016 14:42:48 GMT
More thoughts.. Over on the dropped plotlines thread, I said that Lil Seb never really served any purpose at all in its time with Caliborn. I guess that he has served a purpose to the story now. One dropped plotline down, 99+ to go. But besides that, I kinda feel this didn't actually add anything. The kids going from there to fight Caliborn was probably the biggest plot advancement, but many of us already guessed that was a thing that would happen, the only 'twist' is that I don't think that anyone was expecting the reasoning behind their decision to be so stupid. I can see John getting so unreasonably worked up at it, but how'd he convince the rest to go through with it? JOHN: hey guys theres this punk ass bitch who wants to fight us JOHN: also was just talking to terezi JOHN: apparently the universe is ripping itelf apart or some shit idk JANE: Wow, that sounds serious JANE: Should we look into that or something DIRK: Nah fuck that, our priority needs to be on beating up alien children ROSE: I was looking forward to a nice, quiet evening with my family ROSE: But you're right. ROSE: Such provocations cannot go unanswered KARKAT: sounds like you guys have this under control KARKAT: definitely won't needs to bring backup KARKAT: or prepare or research this guy in anyway. Also, Trickster Mode? Hussie's just going to have that show up without any explanation? The Sucker was dropped out of the Story itself, someone (Presumably John or Roxy) would have to make a deliberate attempt to retrieve it, and given what happened in A6A5A2, I don't see why any of them would. Not to mention how they all of the sudden have more control over it this time. And shout out to Terezi for being that one person who takes pictures of a disaster instead of helping out. Unless she was well zoomed in, that Dear Sweet Precious Sweet Dear Precious Nepeta looked to be within arms reach. The main thing this added was (imo) more satisfying conclusions to most of their personal arcs, and as much as I still want to see plot shit resolved, those friend/family connections are really the heart of the comic moreso than "plot advancement". Luckily we know we're still getting an epilogue though, which presumably will address plottier shit like the Masterpiece, Vriska, Lord English's fate, the ghosts, etc. As for Trickster Mode, I was surprised to see it happen too, but it makes sense. Presumably Calliope got Roxy to yoink it out of the void... and even though they had a Bad Time with it last time, hopefully being in a better emotional place makes it a better experience and easier to control. It probably works along the same lines of anything else that lowers your inhibitions, like being drunk or something. If you're in a quagmire of fucked up relationships with all your friends, and you get drunk to cope, saying what you REALLY think is going to end badly for everyone (and probably give you a killer hangover to boot). But if you're in a good place emotionally, then you're probably more likely to just have a good time, but maybe still wind up with a hangover And purely from a plot standpoint, now we're finally poised to have the lollipop split apart and placed into two separate juju chests on the meteor, completing that particular loop. I'm still crossing my fingers for LE to get a hold of it and become Big Cal though ;P It's one of the only overpowered artifacts to NOT fall into the hands of the bad guys, so far at least.
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Post by nubaris on Oct 25, 2016 14:46:20 GMT
www.mspaintadventures.com/?viewpage=archive As of October 25 at 16:43 CET, MSPA's Archive page still shows Homestuck as in progress. About the update I only have squees of joy and shrieks of worry. I hope Terezi was zooming in on the Black Hole, both for her safety and for what Obsidalicious said. Also hope Aradia and Sollux are okay, and Davepeta and all the other ghosts in the bubbles too. GCATavros made it to the new universe and Davepeta may or may not be dead(? We don't know if it leads somewhere... but how many neps have to die before this is over) in the Black Hole, so where's Jasprose? And the Nannasprites? I assume Terezi somehow exited Frog C (so to say), so if the hole is still growing, does this mean Alt!Calliope screwed over reality itself? And... I'm probably overthinking the time shit too much, but do the Black Hole and the Green Sun... coexist temporally?? Did Lord English wreck the Furthest Ring enough to give it sort of a 'before' (Green Sun) and 'after' (Black Hole) If so, is the Black Hole going to consume reality??? (Also, nice to see Jade is ok after the Sun's destruction.) I now need to know all about the ectobabies and the new trolls.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 14:51:09 GMT
It also still shows Jailbreak as "Unfinished", even though it actually is.
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Post by nubaris on Oct 25, 2016 15:08:06 GMT
It also still shows Jailbreak as "Unfinished", even though it actually is. ...fuck We still don't know if this is the epilogue, right? At least I didn't see any news post when I watched it...
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 15:12:33 GMT
It also still shows Jailbreak as "Unfinished", even though it actually is. ...fuck We still don't know if this is the epilogue, right? At least I didn't see any news post when I watched it... We know for a fact that this is not the Epilogue.
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Post by Gab on Oct 25, 2016 15:23:34 GMT
Also, I'm half-pissed half-amused at what actually ended up provoking the Masterpiece(?). It wasn't something big and tragic, like Lord English wrecking their civilization, or reports of Vriska's death, or the sudden realization that their happy ending is a lie and their reality still suffers under the clawed foot of Lord English. No, it's just Caliborn trolling John over fucking snapchat. Like, c'mon dude, you're a grown ass man and he's like 11. I think you may be the first person ever to see the "FITE ME BIOTCH" taunt and actually decide to do it.I think there's more to it than that. Like, we saw Dirk and Jake with an LE robot, so they were probably training to beat Lord English still. I think to them it was a chore that still needed doing at some point, but they were content to put it off until the time was right. Caliborn's taunting reminder of his threat I guess was all they needed. Which is satisfying to me for a couple reasons. First, you know nothing about Caliborn has ever been that dramatic or heavy in tone. He's always been about subverting the grandiose nature of a villain with his extremely childlike, brutish personality, and this form of provocation above anything else is very much 'him'. Second, it's sort of weird to see him go by undyingUmbrage after so long. I sort of assumed he dropped it once he had access to the towers on LOCAM. It's oddly nostalgic, along with seeing all the other names. And third, seeing as how John has aged up 4 years gives me a good estimate for how old I should think Caliborn is. I always thought he spent years on his session and grew up steadily through it. Being the equivalent of 20 human years old is pretty fitting, especially if his opponents are all the same age now. My only question is whether anyone here thinks Vriska is still alive. This is only tangentially related honestly, but the way that 'scene' zoomed in on the black hole in the center of The Calamity makes me wonder what kind of black hole it is. I know LE and Vriska weren't near it and could be duking it out at the periphery of the destruction, but I wonder if that battle hasn't been sucked into yet another Ultry Really Final Final Battle Location. Maybe that's a little ridiculous though. But yeah, at this point, I doubt she's died. If SHE'S going to die, it's probably going to be onscreen. That said John seems sad, lonely (he still misses the Dad that HE grew up with, and he's seemingly the only person living alone), and more than a little bored. When I saw Caliborn's snap of a rainbow-magic billiard-eyed skull kid, a scarred fucked up clown alien, and a rusted robot bunny, it just looked like all the fucked-up parts of Homestuck's insanity personified... and I suspect John kind of misses that insane "dark carnival" that is Homestuck. Obviously this is going to result in him gathering his friends up to go zap BACK into the story that they left behind, which is how the Masterpiece happens. And then, I guess, they'll pop out of the house juju in front of Vriska and Lord English, and deal with all that. I didn't really see him as being sad. It's not like the ship, where he didn't really have a choice but to do nothing. Here he could have been a king like all his friends, yet he was the only one among them to forego that, remake his house with astonishing fidelity in a humble salamander village, and just chill out. Obviously he spent plenty of time with all of them and I think he has the most snaps from what we saw, so I think he's doing alright. Things do start to get kind of wistful at the end there as he starts to feel the rigors of adulthood looming. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but that shot of the pipe and the hat on top of the fridge makes me think at some point Dad left them there for John to eventually notice when he was tall enough to see that high, yet another one of his mysterious maturity achievement notifications. There was probably a note under the hat or something too. Speaking of maturity and adulthood, I think that's also why this became the perfect time for them to finally go back and deal with Caliborn. Four years ago they were all still just kids in a situation that was largely out of their control, and they were owed some time to do what THEY wanted for a change, to be the kings of a bunch of silly kingdoms and worry about the revival of their species. But once adulthood hit, a reminder of their past obligations came back, and it was time to put all affairs into order once and for all. They were mature enough to do what needed to be done. That's my thoughts on it anyway. So, according to a Tumblr post I just saw, we might get something else on Halloween. Oh god. I remember Intermission 2 came out just after Halloween 2011, I wonder if this will be similarly terrifying... I wouldn't bet on it, but it's a rather thrilling possibility. Blap's gonna explode when he wakes up and sees the update.
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Post by sparkeletran on Oct 25, 2016 15:26:27 GMT
That said John seems sad, lonely (he still misses the Dad that HE grew up with, and he's seemingly the only person living alone), and more than a little bored. When I saw Caliborn's snap of a rainbow-magic billiard-eyed skull kid, a scarred fucked up clown alien, and a rusted robot bunny, it just looked like all the fucked-up parts of Homestuck's insanity personified... and I suspect John kind of misses that insane "dark carnival" that is Homestuck. Obviously this is going to result in him gathering his friends up to go zap BACK into the story that they left behind, which is how the Masterpiece happens. And then, I guess, they'll pop out of the house juju in front of Vriska and Lord English, and deal with all that. Agreed - John is the only one who seems to be living mostly by himself (Jade, Dave and Karkat appear to all be hanging together, Roxy and Calliope too, Rose and Kanaya are obvious, Jane's most likely with her dad and Dirk and Jake were seen hanging out a lot as well. Terezi is by herself too, but granted, she IS on a mission) and hasn't really... accomplished anything in particular either. All you see him doing is celebrating his birthdays with less and less enthusiasm each time, being sad over Dad and just being there. I'm thinking John might miss having a bit more of a sense of purpose, and seeing that little shit taunt him ignited that flame again - a chance to be a hero after years of sitting back and relaxing. Odds are, if we're lucky, that this will be one of the things resolved in the true epilogue - since we're likely to see the aftermath of the master.
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Post by TrickleJest on Oct 25, 2016 15:27:14 GMT
Huh.
Well. I'm still salty about the ending.
But...slightly less so now. I still think that actually staying in this universe - in ANY universe still connected to Paradox Space, honestly - is a mistake, and there's a lot of character stuff just left blowing in the wind. But I feel better about this than I did about act 7's complete uncertainty, and the way it ends implies that there will be more answers later.
So...yeah. This was nice. It was cute, and filled some gaps, and was all-in-all a pleasant experience. Dunno why they felt the need for separate "kingdoms" or whatever, though, that's just asking for a race war after most of the leaders are sucked into a plot hole in a little bit here. (Also...did they add other people to the mix, or did all of those humans actually just come from the 8 kids? Because if it's the latter, jesus FUCK is the Human Kingdom inbred.
Also, I'm half-pissed half-amused at what actually ended up provoking the Masterpiece(?). It wasn't something big and tragic, like Lord English wrecking their civilization, or reports of Vriska's death, or the sudden realization that their happy ending is a lie and their reality still suffers under the clawed foot of Lord English. No, it's just Caliborn trolling John over fucking snapchat. Like, c'mon dude, you're a grown ass man and he's like 11. I think you may be the first person ever to see the "FITE ME BIOTCH" taunt and actually decide to do it.
But, uh, yeah. Good stuff, overall. Maybe I'll have time to think it over and get angry at it in the morning, but for now, I'm somewhat satisfied.
Actually, Calliborn isn't 11 years or sweeps old, he is 11 units old, and nobody knows what those are. Also... if john is 20, cal is definitely not 11 anymore.
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Post by mementovivere on Oct 25, 2016 15:55:46 GMT
www.mspaintadventures.com/?viewpage=archive As of October 25 at 16:43 CET, MSPA's Archive page still shows Homestuck as in progress. About the update I only have squees of joy and shrieks of worry. I hope Terezi was zooming in on the Black Hole, both for her safety and for what Obsidalicious said. Also hope Aradia and Sollux are okay, and Davepeta and all the other ghosts in the bubbles too. GCATavros made it to the new universe and Davepeta may or may not be dead(? We don't know if it leads somewhere... but how many neps have to die before this is over) in the Black Hole, so where's Jasprose? And the Nannasprites? I assume Terezi somehow exited Frog C (so to say), so if the hole is still growing, does this mean Alt!Calliope screwed over reality itself? And... I'm probably overthinking the time shit too much, but do the Black Hole and the Green Sun... coexist temporally?? Did Lord English wreck the Furthest Ring enough to give it sort of a 'before' (Green Sun) and 'after' (Black Hole) If so, is the Black Hole going to consume reality??? (Also, nice to see Jade is ok after the Sun's destruction.) I now need to know all about the ectobabies and the new trolls. Hmmmmm, interesting note about Paradox Space now having a "before" and "after". Part of what defined the voidiness of Paradox Space before was how none of the aspects are solidified... there was no concrete space or time to speak of. Now, we have both a spacial reference point (which Alt!Calliope and Davepetasprite^2 make a point of talking about) as well as temporal reference points too. That's probably not good for the nature of Paradox Space, and it kind of goes along with my old theory that part of why Lord English created the cracks in Paradox Space was in order to solidify the vague aspect soup into something more "real" and substantiated. Creation from destruction, kind of. Or maybe it's not that deep and there's just a big ol' black hole that's going to swallow everything up into nothingness Regardless, if that black hole keeps spreading, it does kind of seem like Alt!Calliope screwed up reality in order to defeat Lord English! There's probably some point in there about not fighting destruction with more destruction. In any case, I'm curious to see how it gets resolved... there's still room for the Sylph of Space to sew up Paradox space, or maybe for Vriska to pull the 8-ball voodoo pin and undo the creation of the Green Sun entirely. But not before some giant cosmic snakes cash in on the foreshadowing of how their race is drawn to black holes when it's time to mate
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 25, 2016 15:57:10 GMT
Huh.
Well. I'm still salty about the ending.
But...slightly less so now. I still think that actually staying in this universe - in ANY universe still connected to Paradox Space, honestly - is a mistake, and there's a lot of character stuff just left blowing in the wind. But I feel better about this than I did about act 7's complete uncertainty, and the way it ends implies that there will be more answers later.
So...yeah. This was nice. It was cute, and filled some gaps, and was all-in-all a pleasant experience. Dunno why they felt the need for separate "kingdoms" or whatever, though, that's just asking for a race war after most of the leaders are sucked into a plot hole in a little bit here. (Also...did they add other people to the mix, or did all of those humans actually just come from the 8 kids? Because if it's the latter, jesus FUCK is the Human Kingdom inbred.
Also, I'm half-pissed half-amused at what actually ended up provoking the Masterpiece(?). It wasn't something big and tragic, like Lord English wrecking their civilization, or reports of Vriska's death, or the sudden realization that their happy ending is a lie and their reality still suffers under the clawed foot of Lord English. No, it's just Caliborn trolling John over fucking snapchat. Like, c'mon dude, you're a grown ass man and he's like 11. I think you may be the first person ever to see the "FITE ME BIOTCH" taunt and actually decide to do it.
But, uh, yeah. Good stuff, overall. Maybe I'll have time to think it over and get angry at it in the morning, but for now, I'm somewhat satisfied.
Actually, Calliborn isn't 11 years or sweeps old, he is 11 units old, and nobody knows what those are. Also... Eleven units is roughly the same as thirteen years.
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