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Post by mistertorchwick on May 20, 2017 17:27:51 GMT
Here's a nice little vent hole I'm making for myself and anyone else who suffers from a rather unique nerd problem. I imagine many of us have been here: Falling in love with a movie, book, game, comic, show, band or other published work and then going on the internet in search of fellow fans to celebrate your love with... Just to find they're awful. Be it shipping wars, elitism, politics, obsession or porn, these guys would have turned you off to this art had you not found it on your own already.
Please note that a lot of venomous fandoms are simply a vocal minority. There may be some rather passionate fires stirred up here, so let's remember to play nice.
Now, for mine:
RWBY: Big surprise, right? I find it to be a charming fantasy story, the baby of the late Monty Oum. The show has mirrored my own life in incredible ways and the characters and world have inspired my imagination. However, the fandom is incredibly annoying. First is the shipping. You will be LYNCHED if you don't support a fan's favorite ship, regardless of how unlikely it is. Any character with any kind of chemistry with another character (especially if they're of the same sex) will be expected by a certain clique of fans to decelop a sexualromantic relationship. And then they'll draw endless stacks of raunchy images of TEENAGERS feeling each other up to support it. It just sucks.
Undertale: I believe Undertale is the best game of 2015. I believe Undertale fans are the biggest internet plague of 2015. They just can't leave well enough alone. They'll shove all the (many, many, many) spoilers down your throat, insist that certain voices are "canon" (despite everyone speaking in little blep noises), and throw fire from the heavens at you if you don't play every ending in the CORRECT ORDER. Also, while Sans is my favorite character (I even have some cute pics of me dressed as him for Holloween) it would be nice to not talk about him for five minutes.
League of Legends: It's a MOBA. What more is there to say?
ROBLOX: This is perhaps the most powerful open-source building game in existence. You can easily build freaking ANYTHING on it. However, 99% of the community is below the age of 15 and the GIFT runs rampant. In addition to that, we have neglectful developers and a trigger-happy chat filter (which is a whole rant of its own). It all boils down to a cancerous community that can barely be called as such which bring what could be a game as big as Minecraft down into a semi-obscure cesspool.
What are some of yours?
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Post by axolotlSushi on May 20, 2017 19:05:32 GMT
I completely agree about Undertale- It's one of my personal favourite fandoms, however... The younger/less mature side of the community can be a little overbearing, to put it lightly. I can't comment on the other fandoms you've mentioned, as I'm not in them and haven't experienced them much, but going off of what you said about ROBLOX... Minecraft. It's one of my favourite games, and it's how I met most of my current internet friends! I've spent an abundance of hours building and trolling interacting with my friends, and I don't regret one bit of it. However... I admit, again, I detest the immature portion of the community. I've spent my fair share of time in the bad part of the community, too, but looking back, I can see the problems with it. Though, just a few things I must disagree with you on: First of all, your disagreement with users under 15. Yes, I know, immaturity does run rampant, but as a current member of said age group, I have my obvious quarrels with that statement.  Also, just, the term "cancerous". I don't mean to be rude, you seem to be a nice fellow, but... I have trouble taking an argument seriously when it contains words such as "cringe", "cancerous", "AIDs", etc. But, that's just my two cents. ^^ |
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Post by mistertorchwick on May 20, 2017 19:19:20 GMT
I completely agree about Undertale- It's one of my personal favourite fandoms, however... The younger/less mature side of the community can be a little overbearing, to put it lightly. I can't comment on the other fandoms you've mentioned, as I'm not in them and haven't experienced them much, but going off of what you said about ROBLOX... Minecraft. It's one of my favourite games, and it's how I met most of my current internet friends! I've spent an abundance of hours building and trolling interacting with my friends, and I don't regret one bit of it. However... I admit, again, I detest the immature portion of the community. I've spent my fair share of time in the bad part of the community, too, but looking back, I can see the problems with it. Though, just a few things I must disagree with you on: First of all, your disagreement with users under 15. Yes, I know, immaturity does run rampant, but as a current member of said age group, I have my obvious quarrels with that statement. Also, just, the term "cancerous". I don't mean to be rude, you seem to be a nice fellow, but... I have trouble taking an argument seriously when it contains words such as "cringe", "cancerous", "AIDs", etc. But, that's just my two cents. ^^ Oh, dear. I'm sorry, I try to avoid those terms as well. I was a bit angry when I wrote that, and I probably shouldn't write when angry. As for your notes on Minecraft, I actually held that back myself for a later post, but you got it down quite nicely. Thanks for reading my mind. And I agree, there are a good number of children under 15 who are quite mature and responsible. I was like that myself and I find your writing here to be extremely pleasing and respectable. The problem with ROBLOX is respectable children are the exception and not the rule. |
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Post by axolotlSushi on May 20, 2017 19:30:30 GMT
Oh, dear. I'm sorry, I try to avoid those terms as well. I was a bit angry when I wrote that, and I probably shouldn't write when angry. Ha, no worries. I fall into the trap myself, from time to time. As for your notes on Minecraft, I actually held that back myself for a later post, but you got it down quite nicely. Thanks for reading my mind. You're welcome! And I agree, there are a good number of children under 15 who are quite mature and responsible. I was like that myself and I find your writing here to be extremely pleasing and respectable. The problem with ROBLOX is respectable children are the exception and not the rule. Ah, thank you! Yeah, that's completely understandable. Like I said, I've never actually spent any time on ROBLOX myself, however, knowing which of my friends are participants in that community... I can see how that might go.  |
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Post by The One Guy on May 22, 2017 18:15:22 GMT
RPG Maker horror games: There are some great RPG Maker horror games out there, Mad Father and Ib in particular, but unfortunately it seems a lot of these games' popularity comes from PewDiPie and the like. So I see a bunch of fans who are more interested in the games like Ao Oni that provide cheap scares rather than any real substance and a bunch of let's plays by PewDiPie and his imitators. I suppose the same could be said for Horror games in general, in fact it's even worse there, but at least there the bad fans usually stick to the bad games, so the fans of actually good horror games are usually fine (Amnesia being the exception).
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Post by heyitskane on May 22, 2017 19:40:12 GMT
I'm pretty sure homestuck itself used to be this back in 2012. Rampant intense shipping, unsealed body paint, that one disgusting video of people spitting in a bucket. We used to be pretty terrible until the hiatuses started driving those kinds of people out.
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Post by mistertorchwick on May 22, 2017 20:19:48 GMT
I'm pretty sure homestuck itself used to be this back in 2012. Rampant intense shipping, unsealed body paint, that one disgusting video of people spitting in a bucket. We used to be pretty terrible until the hiatuses started driving those kinds of people out. Oh, yeah. I've heard the stories. Especially ones of people dressed as trolls getting TOO in-character and harassing people, leading to Homestuck getting banned from some conventions all together. Some nasty stuff, there. I'm honestly really glad I missed that stuff, because most of the fandom I've encountered since picking up Homestuck has seemed pretty chill. Even when I bring up Homestuck to people who aren't fans, they seem pretty chill with it. I'm happy with that. I'd also like to add the Five Nights at Freddy's franchise to this list. Cool story, memorable characters, lots of secrets to hunt for. Similar to Undertale, though, the crazed fan girls forcing it down everyone's throats has made me groan when it's mentioned on the internet. |
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Post by HypergressiveAgent on May 23, 2017 16:08:02 GMT
I may or may not have been one of those guys who shoved Undertale down a friends throat. I was Looking back on it, i regret it, but it just felt so special at the time, it felt like a crime not to share it. Undertale will forever have an important place in my heart, as hearing about other projects Tobyfox worked on actually led me to Homestuck, and eventually, here. (That was a hell of a week about a year ago, binge reading the whole damn series up to the point where John and Roxy teleport after retcon shenanigans to meet Vriska and company on the lily pad, lemme tell ya) But i am kinda glad that the hype for Undertale has died down. Hopefully now it can be one of those cult classics that kids in the future hear about years from now and play going in without knowing anything. |
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Post by axolotlSushi on May 23, 2017 21:37:02 GMT
RPG Maker horror games: There are some great RPG Maker horror games out there, Mad Father and Ib in particular, but unfortunately it seems a lot of these games' popularity comes from PewDiPie and the like. So I see a bunch of fans who are more interested in the games like Ao Oni that provide cheap scares rather than any real substance and a bunch of let's plays by PewDiPie and his imitators. I suppose the same could be said for Horror games in general, in fact it's even worse there, but at least there the bad fans usually stick to the bad games, so the fans of actually good horror games are usually fine (Amnesia being the exception). Hm... I've been considering making a horror game for awhile now, so I'll keep this is mind if I ever get to that. Count on me to make it extra good, merely out of spite. Tax: BATIM (Bendy and the Ink Machine.) Now, now, I know what you're thinking. "This is a new fandom, barely anyone has heard of it- how can the fanbase be that bad already? There aren't even that many cringey ships!" Hell, I'm even in this fandom already, and I can tell you, it's tiny. I'll tell you how. THE INSISTENT SHOVING DOWN EVERYONE'S THROATS TO NOT LET IT BECOME "ONE OF THOSE FANDOMS". (Sorry for the capslock, I'm just very angry about this issue.) Not a single BATIM comment section is safe from this banter. "oh hell no people are SHIPPING THINGS?!?!? CALMLY?!?!? This is too much for my Redditer soul, kill them all with FIRE!" I've heard of bunches of NSFW artists/writes receiving death threats because of what they do. They're not shoving it down anyone's throats, they're just creating content, yet- death threats. I don't care whether you support NSFW creators or despise them, that kind of thing is unacceptable. I personally don't have an issue with them- If you want to draw fanart of your favourite characters, who am I to stop you? Anyhoo, sorry for the rant, I just- It's so ridiculous to me. Why can't people leave well enough be?!? |
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Post by brobyddark on May 23, 2017 22:56:00 GMT
ROBLOX: This is perhaps the most powerful open-source building game in existence. You can easily build freaking ANYTHING on it. However, 99% of the community is below the age of 15 and the GIFT runs rampant. In addition to that, we have neglectful developers and a trigger-happy chat filter (which is a whole rant of its own). It all boils down to a cancerous community that can barely be called as such which bring what could be a game as big as Minecraft down into a semi-obscure cesspool. You can build everything once. ONCE. Before the developers update the game and ruin everything. Pretty much everytime Roblox updates, something breaks, and the developers do jack and shit to fix it. And, of course, everything is based on Lua, which is a pretty obscure programming language you're not gonna use for anything besides making something on Roblox, which is even more incentive to just...not make anything. I'd say Roblox gets what it deserves in terms of its playerbase, considering they advertise for that group in particular, as do a lot of their player-made games. Steven Universe has a pretty shitty verbal fandom as well, what with the people who drove someone to suicide because she drew Rose Quartz skinnier than how she actually is, though you could prolly just skip passed SU and move towards Tumblr. Tumblr itself is a pretty cool site, where a lot of good artists, game developers, writers, porn blogs etc., reside. Even the non-specialized bloggers hold something worth checking out, more often than not, whether it be some gifs you can shamelessly repost elsewhere, or some good jokes, or writing prompts, ideas, general thoughts, etc. However, then you've got the extremely shitty parts that are, unfortunately, the loudest of all. You've got the crazy ones that want to genocide all men, the weird ones that think they're stars (I've got the least problem with these people since its totally harmless), right next to the shop-lifting fandoms. |
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Post by mementovivere on May 24, 2017 14:28:38 GMT
Honestly a lot of the Homestuck fandom NOW has kind of spoiled it for me. Not in the over-the-top cringeworthy way of people being loud and obnoxious at conventions, but more because it gets tiring to be surrounded with the perpetual negativity that comes with people complaining about the ending, Hiveswap, why certain ships suck, why the writing sucks, why their expectations weren't met, etc. I got into the fandom for how passionate people were about something they liked, but it's just unfun to see how many people will still bitterly complaining on anything Homestuck related (over a year after the end), and I never stop wondering why someone would want to actively be involved in the fandom of something they don't like like anymore. But hey, maybe that's an inevitable evolution for the fandom now that the story being more or less over, I dunno... and I'm sure at least part of it is that the negativity stands out more than the people talking passionately about the things they like. I wouldn't still be here if not for the cool impassioned people after all There are a lot of fandoms that I don't HATE but which I just haven't been able to get into because the focus seems to be different than what I'm interested in. Like, there have been a few shows I've been really into for the plot/characterization/concept/etc, but when I decide to go check out the tumblr/reddit/etc side of the fandom it's nothing but overzealous shipping or unfunny shitposts or dramatic infighting or whatever, and I quickly realized I had no desire to dip my toe into that kind of cesspool. |
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Post by The One Guy on May 24, 2017 18:40:11 GMT
Honestly a lot of the Homestuck fandom NOW has kind of spoiled it for me. Not in the over-the-top cringeworthy way of people being loud and obnoxious at conventions, but more because it gets tiring to be surrounded with the perpetual negativity that comes with people complaining about the ending, Hiveswap, why certain ships suck, why the writing sucks, why their expectations weren't met, etc. I got into the fandom for how passionate people were about something they liked, but it's just unfun to see how many people will still bitterly complaining on anything Homestuck related (over a year after the end), and I never stop wondering why someone would want to actively be involved in the fandom of something they don't like like anymore. But hey, maybe that's an inevitable evolution for the fandom now that the story being more or less over, I dunno... and I'm sure at least part of it is that the negativity stands out more than the people talking passionately about the things they like. I wouldn't still be here if not for the cool impassioned people after all I feel a lot of the negativity is because of the passion felt within the fandom, not in spite of it. Put simply, when something you love ends up dissapointing you it hurts far more than when when something you don't care about dissapoints you. I suppose to put a posititve spin on this, you could say that their complaining is a sign that they like it enough to care about it. |
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Post by mementovivere on May 24, 2017 20:12:52 GMT
True! Passion's probably the wrong way to phrase it, and I know many of the most persistent critics are people who have invested a lot of time, effort, and love in the Homestuck fandom over the years. Still, I don't get involved in a fandom of a work because I want to be surrounded by negativity about that thing, y'know? So it's just gotten a bit less enjoyable for me.
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Post by Blaperile on May 24, 2017 21:02:56 GMT
I can especially relate to the above few posts.
Seeing the negative opinions on Homestuck outweigh the positive ones bothered me a lot too. But it helped me to consider that these people were stil passionate enough about Homestuck to be putting all this effort into the things they were saying, and still continuing to participate in the community.
Sure I'd love to see more positive things, but I've learned to kind of accept that's just the way it is.
To be honest, it seems to be kind of a general trend nowadays. Or I'm just noticing it more often, that's possible too. When I look up some of my favorite things, the first (and often most supported) opinions I find are negative ones I totally disagree with.
In the past few years I've managed to kind of shrug off all the negative comments and just focus on my own experience of the content.
For these reasons, recently I actually started using an add-on to make Youtube comments invisible. Because otherwise my eyes would naturally feel the urge to go look at the comments beneath... only to find really negative comments on a video I thoroughly enjoyed.
Despite all that, I still really enjoy discussing Homestuck on these forums, even if I'm discussing it with people with negative opinions. Because funnily enough, seeing those negative comments just reminds me of all the things I LOVE about it myself. And hey, sharing opinions itself is just fun too.
But nowadays Homestuck really is basically the only thing on which I'm keeping tabs for the general opinions of people.
Those are my two cents on the matter!
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Post by KittenCollector on May 25, 2017 4:30:59 GMT
Are there *any* fandoms that don't have people in it who could be described as a spiteful minority? Especially without those people being a spiteful majority?
That passion idea definitely seems like it's on the right track, at any rate. I've only delved an amateur depth into human psychology, but you almost definitely won't get angry over something if you don't in some way have an existing emotional connection to either the thing itself, or something that thing is based on or makes reference to. Sometimes that comes in the form of rabidly reverent fans who would crucify anyone that dare to defy their beliefs regarding the relevant source material, and sometimes it manifests as those people going after the material itself. Heck, I'm pretty sure there are people out there who get angry over people liking things they, personally, dislike.
It always seems like a lack of proper communication is the ultimate cause, too, or is at least some way involved. Like, would people ever argue if they not only listened to other people's side of the argument, but actually understood it for what it was? Would most arguments even exist if people more readily differentiated between whether something was right vs. wrong, or just a matter of personal preference, where there is no 'right' or 'wrong' choice so much as a different one?
I might be diving too deep into this for what it is, but it does seem to me that people in basically any grouping would fight a lot less if they A. talked and listened in equal measure, and B. took a gotdang chill pill. And not necessarily in that order.
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 9, 2017 10:38:21 GMT
I've only ever "joined" a few fandoms where I actively participate in fan activities, discussions, create fan content, etc. Let's see which ones I can really think of:
The Madoka Magica fandom was already "dormant" by the time I first watched it so I don't know if it was as bad as a lot of recent-anime fandoms are, though it didn't get worse once the movie came out.
The Star Wars fandom is basically a way of life. I hate people that join the Prequel Hate bandwagon and basically spout off the talking points they took from some video essay or someone else bashing them, but other than that, Star Wars is so massive that it's hard to not love it.
The Homestuck fandom was lovely back in the day and was very influential in my teenybopper years, but by around 2013, it had devolved into teens screaming and running around in pajamas. My friend and I went to the Atlanta 4/13 meetup that year and both decided to never do an event like that ever again. Online niches like this forum are fine, though the Homestuck Reddit turned into constant shitposting and gets on my nerves sometimes (even if I appreciate the Bowman memes).
The Earthbound fandom is one of the best of all-time, but I never really joined it.
Despite my high enjoyment for them, I refused to join the fandoms for Sherlock, Undertale, and a few others simply because the fans I saw were absolutely obnoxious,. It didn't affect my enjoyment, but I guess it spurned me from ever even starting other media like Nightvale or Game of Thrones, among other things. I quickly stopped being a MLP fan and never finished its first season whenever I saw the fandom explode into furry porn and weird teens. To this day I rarely talk about certain works I really enjoyed because I don't want people to view me as "one of them" lol.
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