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Post by sawkinator on Apr 10, 2016 22:55:48 GMT
Yeah, I fully agree with that. I hate spoilers. I'm also bothered by IPGD hyping up Act 7. Okay it's making people more excited, but I just hope it won't lead to too high expectations, again. Yeah, I'm worried about overhyping too. Glad I'm not the only one. I'm sure it will be pretty mind-blowing, though. Also I bet that if Dad survives he'll adopt all the kids as his own. All of them. He's just that much of a Dad. However, Dad's presence is basically irreconcilable with Sburb and the new universe. There's a reason if the game is supposed to be played by young people, growing up is a big part of that. He shouldn't be allowed to enter the new universe, not only because he's not a player, but mainly because his presence would have Jane (and possibly all other kids) look up to him, instead of to herself. Oh, well, this is probably a moot point, since everything is going to fall apart HARD... Nooooo, Dad has to go to the new universe! D: Please Hussie I kinda think it might be helpful for the kids to have some kind of parental figure for a while in their new universe while they figure out how to be gods in it. Of course Dad will die eventually of old age, but... it would offer more closure than just leaving Dad behind in the B2 session forever?? that's such a sad thought oh no
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 10, 2016 22:56:36 GMT
I dunno, I think Terezi's reaction here could be easily explained as her being worried about Vriska. Don't think Remem8ering would stop that from happening. But if she Remem8ered, then she would also remember what the wallet and the dragon were actually intended for, and she would have told John by now. Something is wrong.
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Post by ephemeralApotheosis on Apr 10, 2016 22:59:45 GMT
Are we going to see it? Are we going to have Dad Egrocker reunite with loving son to the tune of How Do I Live D8 Night version? And then something awful happens? Please let it be so. The first part anyway. I would just LOVE to see a [S] John and Jane: Reunite with loving father flash! Nick Cage, cheesy music, and all. I can see it now: John running to Dad, grungy torn up shirt, with another bunny somehow, while Karkat is just standing there like " ARE WE REALLY DOING THIS AGAIN?"
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 10, 2016 23:17:48 GMT
I kinda think it might be helpful for the kids to have some kind of parental figure for a while in their new universe while they figure out how to be gods in it. That's precisely what would completely hinder their personal growth, which is what Sburb has always been really about.
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 10, 2016 23:20:12 GMT
But just because Dad is there doesn't mean they won't get to grow. Besides, who is gonna handle all of the boring administrative business functions of running a universe?
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Post by PieTheDerptacular on Apr 10, 2016 23:21:24 GMT
I dunno, I think Terezi's reaction here could be easily explained as her being worried about Vriska. Don't think Remem8ering would stop that from happening. But if she Remem8ered, then she would also remember what the wallet and the dragon were actually intended for, and she would have told John by now. Something is wrong. Something about the fact that John never got the wallet doesn't feel right to me. Like somehow that screwed everything up? Also, yeah, happy Homestuck Beta day!
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 10, 2016 23:24:47 GMT
But just because Dad is there doesn't mean they won't get to grow. Besides, who is gonna handle all of the boring administrative business functions of running a universe?
Jack Noir, of course. He's a renowned master of paperwork
(But seriously: an adult presence is in complete contrast to everything we know about Sburb. Those kids need to learn how to fend for themselves. Even more so if they are meant to become gods.)
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 10, 2016 23:38:36 GMT
If Dad goes with them I don't think he'd really get in the way. In terms of character growth, the kids are "mature" now. So he probably would just let them handle their own lives, just like what parents (should) do when their kids grow up. Dad doesn't have to die for that to happen. If he was, I bet he would have died much earlier.
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Post by quixoticTokki on Apr 11, 2016 0:07:32 GMT
But if she Remem8ered, then she would also remember what the wallet and the dragon were actually intended for, and she would have told John by now. Something is wrong. Something about the fact that John never got the wallet doesn't feel right to me. Like somehow that screwed everything up? Also, yeah, happy Homestuck Beta day! Oh wow I totally forgot about the wallet thing! Hmm, I wonder if that will come into play at all. Because as we know, every little thing matters when it comes to messing with the timeline.
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Post by accipitrineOutlier on Apr 11, 2016 0:33:23 GMT
To everybody concerned about Terezi's expression in the update, the artist said they were given free reign to draw whatever character interactions they liked, and meant Terezi to look lonely for Vriska--not anything more ominous. The artist is also taking sketch requests for interactions we didn't see--and they're amazing.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 11, 2016 0:41:13 GMT
To everybody concerned about Terezi's expression in the update, the artist said they were given free reign to draw whatever character interactions they liked, and meant Terezi to look lonely for Vriska--not anything more ominous. The artist is also taking sketch requests for interactions we didn't see--and they're amazing. Hahaha okay there's no way this can be what really happens, right? There's no way that this is the TRUE ending, right? "Pandered to my own interests" holy shit. I know that Hussie approved this but come on.
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Post by comicalArchitect on Apr 11, 2016 1:10:01 GMT
But just because Dad is there doesn't mean they won't get to grow. Besides, who is gonna handle all of the boring administrative business functions of running a universe?
Jack Noir, of course. He's a renowned master of paperwork
(But seriously: an adult presence is in complete contrast to everything we know about Sburb. Those kids need to learn how to fend for themselves. Even more so if they are meant to become gods.)
But isn't the story partially about rebelling against what SBURB says has to be true? Like, I see Dad's survival as one of the greatest, most hopeful things about the comic; it means that you don't HAVE to choose between maturing to your fullest self and remaining with those you love.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 11, 2016 1:32:46 GMT
But isn't the story partially about rebelling against what SBURB says has to be true? Like, I see Dad's survival as one of the greatest, most hopeful things about the comic; it means that you don't HAVE to choose between maturing to your fullest self and remaining with those you love. I partially agree? But I still think he is doomed, for a number of reasons. Even just examining canon facts, we know that John has to decide that it's worth risking the erasure of everything that happened and everything they just accomplished, to go back and try to kill Caliborn before any of it ever happened. We also know that he doesn't bring the trolls, and he doesn't bring Dad. Now he might have just not brought Dad along because he was afraid of him getting hurt in the battle, but killing Caliborn would affect the timeline in so many unpredictable ways that his Dad might not even exist anymore afterwards. So it's more than likely that Dad is dead, and this is part of the reason why John can't accept the timeline we're viewing now, even with the knowledge that Vriska could still potentially defeat Lord English in the ring.
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 11, 2016 1:41:49 GMT
"defeat Lord English in the ring." I just had to highlight this one part. How awesome would it be for Vriska and LE to actually go ten rounds with a bell and everything? There's no better time. They're in an actual ring, after all. Anyway, about the timeline and John zapping to Caliborn-what we're seeing on the panels definitely don't match up with the events Caliborn narrated about during the Masterpiece. But I don't really get why. Unless John's retconning to bring this timeline about is able to erase LE's creation event from the Alpha without destroying it. If that were the case, then there would be 3 B2 timelines that branch off when the meteor arrives: 1. The pre-retcon timeline where everything goes wrong. 2. The timeline where the heroes win but either lose the trolls or have them sit out the battle with Caliborn, which leads to LE's creation. 3. The post retcon timeline that we are seeing now.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 11, 2016 1:55:05 GMT
Anyway, about the timeline and John zapping to Caliborn-what we're seeing on the panels definitely don't match up with the events Caliborn narrated about during the Masterpiece. But I don't really get why. Unless John's retconning to bring this timeline about is able to erase LE's creation event from the Alpha without destroying it. If that were the case, then there would be 3 B2 timelines that branch off when the meteor arrives: 1. The pre-retcon timeline where everything goes wrong. 2. The timeline where the heroes win but either lose the trolls or have them sit out the battle with Caliborn, which leads to LE's creation. 3. The post retcon timeline that we are seeing now. I think the one we're seeing now is number two, and not number three. It would just be contrived and confusing now to cut to a whole different set of kids from like the pre-retcon alpha or something.
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Post by thezcmme on Apr 11, 2016 2:19:19 GMT
Anyway, about the timeline and John zapping to Caliborn-what we're seeing on the panels definitely don't match up with the events Caliborn narrated about during the Masterpiece. But I don't really get why. Unless John's retconning to bring this timeline about is able to erase LE's creation event from the Alpha without destroying it. If that were the case, then there would be 3 B2 timelines that branch off when the meteor arrives: 1. The pre-retcon timeline where everything goes wrong. 2. The timeline where the heroes win but either lose the trolls or have them sit out the battle with Caliborn, which leads to LE's creation. 3. The post retcon timeline that we are seeing now. I think the one we're seeing now is number two, and not number three. It would just be contrived and confusing now to cut to a whole different set of kids from like the pre-retcon alpha or something. Yeah. I agree. There's so little space left in the story for it to be revealed to an entirely separate timeline from what Caliborn depicted Unless the flash can explain that in a way that will make sense. But it's most likely two.
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Post by kmsumrall on Apr 11, 2016 3:04:12 GMT
So, what I'm getting from this thread is the victory door will lead to a new universe where Condy and LE will use their dreamselves to make ghosts cause disasters for the super bara Kanaya to deal with by crying at her cousin, who is vastly croaking to make a door for Terezi to destroy Jane's Dad and both the B1 and B2 universes that were exiled to the wrong Rose and Dirk, since they need the Rose and Dirk that are actually ipgd, who then revealed that Homestuck is an elaborate prank, one set in motion by Caliborn and the Genesis Tadpole, because you see, those two are exactly the same guy, which was first seen with the parallel trolls forged a frog breeding program to make John sulk that he wasn't Nanna or Poppop, because he once headcanoned that he was Jade and Dad and younger Dad, but only when his dad expected to have a cute scene with Vriska and Doomed John where they felt up a crowbar and a lilypad, both being bittersweet about the session they created in claymation class but it wasn't highly regarded as better than either sBurb logo or sarcastic non-hussie related beta anniversaries, the ones that match suspiciously to the date where Bec Noir decided to adopt Dad and JohnDad, which made Roxy happy because she is a lesbian vampire sun goddess and she has a girlfriend who likes Bioshock and Undertale, which is somewhat hard when you have five fingers per hand, because Hussie only has 4 fingers and a thumb, but that is cute because Jade's teeth are pointier and even more happy than before and she had dialogue with every character about their callbacks and what they thought of Act 7 and the Intermission, which were shared with them when their pesterlogs were made known through a big interactive flash but that was retconed to allow for a new big text dump to explain that it was all an artistic quirk to coherently cram specific parts into ominous long shadows and peaceful fights where shitty twists confirm that 1920x1080 is the proper resolution to make a great D8 Night video with Terezi and Vriska because they wanted to have a nice night out but a paranoid Rose caused a redux of when Terezi realized that her failed attempts at sappy reunions aren't as mindblowing as she thought, which she remem8ered only after John and Dad reunited to have a great amount of personal growth that shows they can handle Homestuck and Jack Noir and all the mature things like wallets but in the end Terezi was lonely for Vriska and no way in the true ending will that happen because your fullest self is doomed in unpredictable ways, like another retcon, retcon number 2, which Caliborn will cause.
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Post by ephemeralApotheosis on Apr 11, 2016 3:40:41 GMT
So, what I'm getting from this thread is... <snip> I think I finally understand what's going on here. You're combining snippets from all over this thread into one large word salad. Though for what reason, I have no clue.. I'll just chalk it up to mutha. fuckin. shenanigans.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 11, 2016 4:24:52 GMT
So, what I'm getting from this thread is... <snip> I think I finally understand what's going on here. You're combining snippets from all over this thread into one large word salad. Though for what reason, I have no clue.. I'll just chalk it up to mutha. fuckin. shenanigans. You're just realizing that now and not after any of the previous fifty times they did that? But seriously: an adult presence is in complete contrast to everything we know about Sburb. Those kids need to learn how to fend for themselves. Even more so if they are meant to become gods.) But wasn't that part of the reason the trolls screwed up so bad? That they had crazy monsters for Guardians and a genocidal empress for an absolute authority figure? Plus, I think it's safe to say that out of all the kids (who had various levels of shitty or non-existent parental figures) Jane and John turned out the most well adjusted. I think a big theme has been about seeing your parents as people so that you can get out from under their shadow. As long as the kids can manage to do that, I don't think it matters if said parents are still actually there. Besides, John and Jane's thing (such as it was) has at least partially been about appreciating what they had, and I think they've both managed to do that. It wasn't really any specific parts, it was just that the sheer volume of dialogue was tiring sometimes. Some pages were really fucking glorious so I just couldn't not like them, but some pages were just okay, and at those points I'd go "man move the plot already". Oddly, that's how I feel right now. "Just get to the shitty twist already". This update was honestly the most ominous one yet. The red house looming in the back, casting red light and long shadows, along with Terezi's expression, kind of clinches it for me. They're fucked. This exactly. Before this I was merely very suspicious something horrible was going to happen. Now I'm absolutely sure. And now, seeing all those happy faces....I can see it's going to hurt.
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Post by ForestGardener on Apr 11, 2016 6:18:32 GMT
To everybody concerned about Terezi's expression in the update, the artist said they were given free reign to draw whatever character interactions they liked, and meant Terezi to look lonely for Vriska--not anything more ominous. The artist is also taking sketch requests for interactions we didn't see--and they're amazing. All nine of those are now part of my head cannon. As for Dad entering the new universe, I think his years of experience would be of great value--as a father figure, as a voice of wisdom, as a semi-normal person who lived a semi-normal life. I also think the kids have matured a great deal and that they have no need to look up to him as a guardian. They have all been through hell, they have all stared death in the face, some of them actually remember dying. They have experienced, have done, and can do things that most people can hardly imagine. They have all spent months, years, most of their lives (Jade, Jake, perhaps the trolls), or even their entire lives (Dirk Roxy and Calliope) without a parental/guardian figure. John and Jane are the only ones with reason to view him as "Dad". I think Dad would mostly have a stabilization influence for the years he is around.
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Post by kmsumrall on Apr 11, 2016 9:46:41 GMT
So, what I'm getting from this thread is... <snip> I think I finally understand what's going on here. You're combining snippets from all over this thread into one large word salad. Though for what reason, I have no clue.. I'll just chalk it up to mutha. fuckin. shenanigans. I'm provided a service for people since it is somewhat difficult to read the whole thread all of the time. Plus it reveals a lot of interesting hidden facts about things.
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Post by headwind on Apr 11, 2016 10:54:13 GMT
I dunno, I think Terezi's reaction here could be easily explained as her being worried about Vriska. Don't think Remem8ering would stop that from happening. But if she Remem8ered, then she would also remember what the wallet and the dragon were actually intended for, and she would have told John by now. Something is wrong. Terezi kind of had guesses for both wallet and dragon. It might well be that her Remem8ering confirmed the guesses (or close enough for the practical purposes). In that case she had no urgent need to tell. I consider this case as particularly probable: Terezi *is* the Seer of Mind, her hunches are to be respected, even before Remem8ering. That said, I always had the feeling that Terezi fibbed to John about the dragon (that is, that her guess differed from what she told); but not about the wallet.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 11, 2016 11:31:46 GMT
imgur.com/daGvRqvFuckin' incredible (and canon, to boot!) Calling it: final page of Homestuck is The Princess Bride, where John is an old man finishing up his story to a grandkid, answering any loose plot threads in the form of a pre-sleep Q&A while Older Dad plays with a couple other grandkids in the background and a few of the God Tiers show off their powers to entertain them. (I'm not serious but I love picturing John as an old man wearing his Beagle Aegis to look distinguished)
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 11, 2016 11:42:20 GMT
But if she Remem8ered, then she would also remember what the wallet and the dragon were actually intended for, and she would have told John by now. Something is wrong. Terezi kind of had guesses for both wallet and dragon. It might well be that her Remem8ering confirmed the guesses (or close enough for the practical purposes). In that case she had no urgent need to tell. I consider this case as particularly probable: Terezi *is* the Seer of Mind, her hunches are to be respected, even before Remem8ering. That said, I always had the feeling that Terezi fibbed to John about the dragon (that is, that her guess differed from what she told); but not about the wallet. Or everything appears to be going great, so she figures there's no need to say anything.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 11, 2016 12:23:27 GMT
To everybody concerned about Terezi's expression in the update, the artist said they were given free reign to draw whatever character interactions they liked, and meant Terezi to look lonely for Vriska--not anything more ominous. The artist is also taking sketch requests for interactions we didn't see--and they're amazing. I think I'm going to stay out of this thread and the IDE one until the 4/13 update drops. It's annoying that every time I try to make theories on what will happen someone asks the art team for confirmation and they immediately confirm/deny it. It's not a major spoiler because whatever Hussie will actually do seems well hidden, but it's still a spoiler.
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