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Post by soeroah on Apr 11, 2016 12:32:24 GMT
To everybody concerned about Terezi's expression in the update, the artist said they were given free reign to draw whatever character interactions they liked, and meant Terezi to look lonely for Vriska--not anything more ominous. The artist is also taking sketch requests for interactions we didn't see--and they're amazing. I think I'm going to stay out of this thread and the IDE one until the 4/13 update drops. It's annoying that every time I try to make theories on what will happen someone asks the art team for confirmation and they immediately confirm/deny it. It's not a major spoiler because whatever Hussie will actually do seems well hidden, but it's still a spoiler. Right? One of the things that sucks about being a serial reader. Serial reading means you get to read at the same time as a whole bunch of people, and you can have fun making theories and reacting and discussing together. But that comes at the cost of each theory colouring your expectations, or setting your expectations to a level they might not otherwise get to. It only gets worse when people fetch Word of God statements or artist instructions to prove or dismiss things. Cuts off entire branches of the tree of possibilities the story could go in. And that is how I see fiction; as a tree with hundreds of branches, like a timeline. Any spoiler, even if it doesn't reveal what a future event is, can trim those branches and leaves the story with less places it can go in your mind. It's more fun to me to go through a story open to all possibilities, not have possibilities closed off outside of the fiction by developer information that would have been more of a neat titbit if it were revealed AFTER it wasn't a spoiler anymore.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 11, 2016 13:55:45 GMT
Do we think that Act 7 is going to drop on Tuesday at midnight like Collide did and not in the middle of the day the way these regular updates have?
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Post by mementovivere on Apr 11, 2016 14:31:29 GMT
To everybody concerned about Terezi's expression in the update, the artist said they were given free reign to draw whatever character interactions they liked, and meant Terezi to look lonely for Vriska--not anything more ominous. The artist is also taking sketch requests for interactions we didn't see--and they're amazing. I think I'm going to stay out of this thread and the IDE one until the 4/13 update drops. It's annoying that every time I try to make theories on what will happen someone asks the art team for confirmation and they immediately confirm/deny it. It's not a major spoiler because whatever Hussie will actually do seems well hidden, but it's still a spoiler. Hmm, I find that viewpoint interesting. Personally, I've always enjoyed clarifying answers about things that happened in Homestuck... Hussie's infodumps after Cascade and Game Over were especially illuminating, not to mention his long history of answering questions about the current plot via tumblr and formspring and whatnot. I don't like to be spoiled about future events either, but I don't really see clarifying information about current updates as being spoilers--if I'm going to be basing my theories on what's happening in the comic, I'd rather have an accurate idea of what just happened. I guess you could argue that it's different because it's not Hussie, but he DID approve all of the panels, and it's not like "Terezi is worried about Vriska going off to fight LE" clashes with anything we already know, nor does it eliminate the possibility of things still going wrong in Act 7. Either way, you don't have long to wait, because there are only a couple more days until everything about Homestuck is on the table in front of us I wasn't ready before, but I think after this stretch of panels I am. It's been a wild ride, but I'm ready for these dorks to finally reach the end of their journey--and hopefully, the ending they most deserve. Do we think that Act 7 is going to drop on Tuesday at midnight like Collide did and not in the middle of the day the way these regular updates have? Before I wouldn't have been sure, but based on the pattern set by Cascade and Collide and other big animation-y updates, that seems likely to me!
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 11, 2016 14:37:00 GMT
Keyword: "after". The major update we are speculating on hasn't hit yet, even if those pages the artist talked about have. Everything about those pages could be a clue to it, so we are speculating on them.
It's like if some artist went and starting shooting down theories on what the black hole at the end of Collide means. They are talking about something in the past, but are still affecting speculation about the stuff that will happen in 4/13.
I dunno, maybe I'll keep posting, but I'd be thankful if people at least put that information into spoiler tags.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 11, 2016 14:37:37 GMT
I think I'm going to stay out of this thread and the IDE one until the 4/13 update drops. It's annoying that every time I try to make theories on what will happen someone asks the art team for confirmation and they immediately confirm/deny it. It's not a major spoiler because whatever Hussie will actually do seems well hidden, but it's still a spoiler. Right? One of the things that sucks about being a serial reader. Serial reading means you get to read at the same time as a whole bunch of people, and you can have fun making theories and reacting and discussing together. But that comes at the cost of each theory colouring your expectations, or setting your expectations to a level they might not otherwise get to. It only gets worse when people fetch Word of God statements or artist instructions to prove or dismiss things. Cuts off entire branches of the tree of possibilities the story could go in. And that is how I see fiction; as a tree with hundreds of branches, like a timeline. Any spoiler, even if it doesn't reveal what a future event is, can trim those branches and leaves the story with less places it can go in your mind. It's more fun to me to go through a story open to all possibilities, not have possibilities closed off outside of the fiction by developer information that would have been more of a neat titbit if it were revealed AFTER it wasn't a spoiler anymore. Yeah I feel that serial reading has really colored my views on the more recent content.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 11, 2016 14:41:07 GMT
I also find it a little annoying that some of the artists volunteered information and concepts as soon as Collide went up. I would've waited the extra week to avoid any possibility of spoilers.
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Post by Ariestinak on Apr 11, 2016 15:41:11 GMT
I also find it a little annoying that some of the artists volunteered information and concepts as soon as Collide went up. I would've waited the extra week to avoid any possibility of spoilers. We certainly have not experienced what they have, being one step ahead of other people in the fandom. I think the (subconscious) pressure people put on these artists contributes to them "volunteering information".
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 11, 2016 16:18:40 GMT
Also about serial reading vs. archival reading:
I feel that livebloggers are kinda pushed around almost as if they were serial readers. I've seen them get asks that say "oh don't worry this doesn't matter" or "here's why this weird thing in the story" makes sense and basically nudge the readers to have the popular fandom opinions.
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Post by Ariestinak on Apr 11, 2016 17:16:19 GMT
Also about serial reading vs. archival reading: I feel that livebloggers are kinda pushed around almost as if they were serial readers. I've seen them get asks that say "oh don't worry this doesn't matter" or "here's why this weird thing in the story" makes sense and basically nudge the readers to have the popular fandom opinions. Well, that's why it is advised for them to have an ask screener. But I agree with you. I think livebloggers should be considered their own separate entry in "serial-reader/archive-reader/liveblogger" concept. They usually get to know about a lot of memes and meta/fandom stuff. That's opposed to regular archive-readers who usually fly through the pages. As an archive-reader, I actually learned a lot about the comic and the fandom reading liveblogger asks. I think as a distinct experience, liveblogging has its own advantages and disadvantages, one of them being nudged towards the general opinion of the fandom.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 11, 2016 17:18:45 GMT
Also about serial reading vs. archival reading: I feel that livebloggers are kinda pushed around almost as if they were serial readers. I've seen them get asks that say "oh don't worry this doesn't matter" or "here's why this weird thing in the story" makes sense and basically nudge the readers to have the popular fandom opinions. Well, that's why it is advised for them to have an ask screener. But I agree with you. I think livebloggers should be considered their own separate entry in "serial-reader/archive-reader/liveblogger" concept. They usually get to know about a lot of memes and meta/fandom stuff. That's opposed to regular archive-readers who usually fly through the pages. As an archive-reader, I actually learned a lot about the comic and the fandom reading liveblogger asks. I think as a distinct experience, liveblogging has its own advantages and disadvantages, one of them being nudged towards the general opinion of the fandom. Yeah well, even ask screeners often accept view-nudging asks like that. Didn't someone tell Nora recently that Gamzee having feelings for Tavros was pretty much a one-off thing?
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Post by tentacleTherapist on Apr 11, 2016 18:43:44 GMT
Upd8. Well that went.... as expected...
My suspicions do not restrain the feels, though.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 11, 2016 18:46:36 GMT
Well, at least it made sense. Jane is still shafted though.
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Post by whitehelm on Apr 11, 2016 18:48:46 GMT
It looks like Hussie broke up the "johndad" images into 2 updates; there's 4 more images to go.
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Post by ephemeralApotheosis on Apr 11, 2016 18:49:46 GMT
It looks like Hussie broke up the "johndad" images into 2 updates; there's 4 more images to go. Hopefully we'll get to see Jane actually interact with her father then.
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Post by quixoticTokki on Apr 11, 2016 18:50:59 GMT
Aw, that upd8 was short but sweet. I just hope they don't forget about Jane.
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Post by Holly on Apr 11, 2016 18:53:21 GMT
Did Jane even know her Dad was alive? I remember someone saying he was dead in-comic? but maybe they found out he was in prison but that was sweet anyway
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Post by mementovivere on Apr 11, 2016 18:55:01 GMT
D'awwwwww :') I really love that last group shot, with the entire present cast looking on happily. Although hopefully Jane's position means that she has just now turned around and is about to go run and hug her Dad too... I know John's the "main character" insofar as one exists, but Jane is the one who actually lived with this version of Dad for her whole life. I guess there's room for that in the next few pages though. Come on, big happy Crockerbert reunion!
While I can understand people being suspicious of all the happy moments... I suspect we may be at the point of the story where the characters are actually allowed to be happy and stay happy. Not that Act 7 won't bring some shitty twists of its own, because I'm sure it will, but I feel like those twists are probably not going to be so cruel as to rip apart a happy family reunion that literally just happened two pages beforehand. I know the fandom is accustomed to constantly expecting subversion all the time, but Homestuck also plays things straight a lot of the time, and we ARE kinda at the point in the story where "and they all lived happily ever after" is most likely to happen.
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Post by accipitrineOutlier on Apr 11, 2016 19:06:32 GMT
Aww, I like the drawing of Dad realizing who John is. Even though he has no real facial features, you can see in his posture that he's taken by surprise and peering in disbelief.
I agree with memento that it would be terribly cruel--too cruel for Hussie, even--to rip it all away. At least, just yet...
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Post by tentacleTherapist on Apr 11, 2016 19:14:41 GMT
On the Jane/Dad reunion front, think about it from dad's perspective: he's seen his daughter on multiple occasions before this and knows that she is okay, while Dad hasn't seen his own father in Sixteen years, believing him to be dead. While this wouldn't justify Jane not getting her happy ending or time in the limelight, I thought it was an interesting thing to muse over.
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Post by plainWonder on Apr 11, 2016 19:24:17 GMT
So, the pen-penultimate update day of whatever. Gee, I wonder if (but doubt that) we'll see a continuation of the Dad/John reunion. In absence of any actual pesterlog, I imagine the start goes something like this: "DAD: DAD? JOHN: dad?", as a callback to the short Rose/Roxy meetup in Calliope's bubble. It's incredibly weird to imagine Homestuck is ending the day after tomorrow. Chances are, just around the time when I'm eating breakfast, if Andrew posts at midnight his time. Welp, if only 4/13 was a national holiday. I think that maybe we'll see a leadup to the final confrontation with Lord English? Perhaps the thing Alt Calliope is preparing to do? --- > 10018 QOjfkqlfjqsfjqfoqzJ?L%KLF?QDFJKLQSFKL IT HAS NOT STOPPED FROM KEEP HAPPENING!!!!!!!! OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD. FREAKING BEAUTIFUL. I wonder if any dialogue will be said, kind of doubt it. But the feels man, the feels. They're incoming. Gee, John's missed his dad for three years. Dad hasn't seen HIS in sixteen years. What a clusterfuck of a sadhappy reunion. I wonder how much of my theory of yesterday - Jane glomps Dad in front of John, Dad extends a warm fatherly arm for him to join in the hug - is coming true? --- > 10019 YESSSSSSSsssssssss, Dadspective panel. Hahahahahahah, he's so confused. And re-affirmation that Poppop was basically still exactly like John but 70 years older. I'm reminded of Jake's fantasy about what John and Jade would look like, as well as the picture of Poppop/Grandpa in Jane/Jade's chests. --- > 10020 AWWWWWWWWWWwwwwwww. "Come here, you" :') :') :') Dad does not care what temporal shenanigans are in play here, he's basically thrilled to be reunited with a long-thought-lost family member. :'D Awesome. Meanwhile, John's taken aback by the warm embrace. Must be the tightest squeeze he's ever been in! I like how expressive Dad's head is here, despite the absence of any facial features. It's like he's blushing or tearing up. :') --- > 10021 Aaaaawwwww. Reunited at last. I'm all sorts of glad my sadstuck ide/theory didn't come true there. I wonder if Jane's going to stroll over now, too? 6 months of being separated is still a long time, even if not the longest in the current situation. --- > 10022 I love everyone's reaction here. Everyone knows how much this means for John, especially given they've had their own meeting with their dancestor already. (Well, except for Calliope, of course, but she's met Alt Calliope, who's close enough to being the same thing.) I love how Dave and Dirk, and Rose and Kanaya are almost shoulder to shoulder as they turn to look at this. I'm also giggling at Jade's smile, pretty Aradia-esque, I'm reminded of the smile she and Calliope exchanged when Jane joined their trollsona dressup party. --- This was a nice update. I've looked forward to this reunion for a long, long time, and it warms my heart to finally see it happening. D'awwwwww :') I really love that last group shot, with the entire present cast looking on happily. Although hopefully Jane's position means that she has just now turned around and is about to go run and hug her Dad too... I know John's the "main character" insofar as one exists, but Jane is the one who actually lived with this version of Dad for her whole life. I guess there's room for that in the next few pages though. Come on, big happy Crockerbert reunion!
While I can understand people being suspicious of all the happy moments... I suspect we may be at the point of the story where the characters are actually allowed to be happy and stay happy. Not that Act 7 won't bring some shitty twists of its own, because I'm sure it will, but I feel like those twists are probably not going to be so cruel as to rip apart a happy family reunion that literally just happened two pages beforehand. I know the fandom is accustomed to constantly expecting subversion all the time, but Homestuck also plays things straight a lot of the time, and we ARE kinda at the point in the story where "and they all lived happily ever after" is most likely to happen.
Yes, I would also like to put my name in the "Can't we just have nice things?" column, thank you. Come on, Dad's been around almost as long as John, in one way or another. Even if we apparently won't ever see his kid-version, he should be allowed to live on! If nothing else, because Problem Sleuth entered the real world too, in the end.
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Post by sparkeletran on Apr 11, 2016 19:27:27 GMT
tbh I could still see Dad biting it
but if he does, it'll be the coolest and most badass death in the history of paradox space
I think the "holding back villains so the kids can escape" thing could work probably, actually!
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Post by thezcmme on Apr 11, 2016 19:31:10 GMT
That update was adorable! I just love how dad recognized John as being his father. This update was great! Still no dialogue though...
Things are still going too well though. Hussie is going to crush our hopes any day now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 19:35:51 GMT
Next upderp: Condy, DD and CD swooping in riding Dronegorg and crashing the party.
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Post by Outis on Apr 11, 2016 19:37:13 GMT
It's so heartwarming and everyone look so happy. Only Jane's missing in this reunion, but it'll probably happen in next update (I hope so). This whole sweetness makes me feel suspicious; like Hussie has something nasty up his sleeve. There's still Lord English on the loose and we know what happened/will happen to beta kids. But maybe the big twist will be... a lack of any cruel twist. We'll see.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 11, 2016 19:47:09 GMT
Even though I kind of fear Dad will still die somehow, I think it would be really cool for him to live, especially seeing as the other B1 and B2 Kids ALSO got their Guardians back (though in the form of Kids). I dunno, maybe I'll keep posting, but I'd be thankful if people at least put that information into spoiler tags. ^^^^ This. Please do this from now on people, even if it's just two more days. On this same page I noticed someone already doing the opposite of that.
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