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Post by Neptz on Jun 8, 2016 1:54:28 GMT
I'm part of the chucklefish forums and signatures are automatically cut off if they are too large, thus forcing you to make your signature smaller if you want everyone to see it in full. It's worked well.
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Post by The One Guy on Jun 8, 2016 14:05:19 GMT
I'm part of the chucklefish forums and signatures are automatically cut off if they are too large, thus forcing you to make your signature smaller if you want everyone to see it in full. It's worked well. That's what the old forums did have, but it stopped working properly so they temporally disabled signatures until it could be fixed, and when it wasn't fixed for a while, they made a compromise by re-enabling signatures but not allowing images. So the problem was not the signature limit, the problem was that nobody bothered to fix the system to enforce the signature limit.
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 8, 2016 15:47:06 GMT
The forums actually never had an automated system which could do that, a couple of people even volunteered scripts that would do it but none of them worked. The issue was mostly people placing images that were too large in their signatures, and the forum being unable to detect this properly (it could work it out with text, but not pictures). Mods would then repeatedly have to tell people to make them smaller, be ignored, and manually edit signatures, which took so much micromanagement (because so many people were ignoring the rules) that it eventually seemed that it would save more time to just disable images entirely. If the new forum is running different board software it might possibly have a countermeasure for this, unlike the previous one. Alternately, as Homestuck is now over, there's no likelihood of any further related news for months, and What Pumpkin didn't bother replacing their forum until long after the end of Homestuck, there may not even be enough of a community that manually editing it is a problem any more, because there's nothing for them to talk about. This forum itself only had ~150 active users in the past day and many of those people just lurk rather than post. The community was already drifting away to other venues and as the delay has been so long (and service so poor), I don't know how many will now bother to return, so that could solve the "too much work" issue.
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Post by The One Guy on Jun 8, 2016 17:18:23 GMT
The forums actually never had an automated system which could do that, a couple of people even volunteered scripts that would do it but none of them worked. The issue was mostly people placing images that were too large in their signatures, and the forum being unable to detect this properly (it could work it out with text, but not pictures). Mods would then repeatedly have to tell people to make them smaller, be ignored, and manually edit signatures, which took so much micromanagement (because so many people were ignoring the rules) that it eventually seemed that it would save more time to just disable images entirely. Really? Back then I never saw a too tall signature that didn't get hidden, so I just assumed the script was working. I'd go back and find the discussion about this to check, but, well, that's not exactly possible. Now I'm wondering why signatures got disabled when they were and not sooner.
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Post by melodicbooknerd on Jun 8, 2016 23:04:01 GMT
I was on MSPFA and decided to make an account a few minutes ago. Yeah, I'm really damn late in doing that. I decided to go to MSPAF so I could see if I remembered my username (my username is usually my chumhandle now, but I can't remember whether I used musical or melodic when I signed up a few months ago.) It says the site is down for maintenance right now. When I'm looking it up, all I see is stuff about the forum being hacked back in March, but I'm not really seeing anything past when this thread was made. Can anyone explain to me what's going on with MSPAF? And yes, I made an account here just for this question, but I'm gonna stay on for now.
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 8, 2016 23:15:46 GMT
I was on MSPFA and decided to make an account a few minutes ago. Yeah, I'm really damn late in doing that. I decided to go to MSPAF so I could see if I remembered my username (my username is usually my chumhandle now, but I can't remember whether I used musical or melodic when I signed up a few months ago.) It says the site is down for maintenance right now. When I'm looking it up, all I see is stuff about the forum being hacked back in March, but I'm not really seeing anything past when this thread was made. Can anyone explain to me what's going on with MSPAF? And yes, I made an account here just for this question, but I'm gonna stay on for now. The short story is that some hacker got in and deleted all of the forum's webpages. The hacker went uncontested due to a total lack of staff on the forums and Blaperile made these temp forums for us to wait at while the proper forums get sorted out. After two months of total silence from What Pumpkin we've recently have philip from WP turn up telling us the new forums are underway.
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Post by melodicbooknerd on Jun 8, 2016 23:39:39 GMT
I was on MSPFA and decided to make an account a few minutes ago. Yeah, I'm really damn late in doing that. I decided to go to MSPAF so I could see if I remembered my username (my username is usually my chumhandle now, but I can't remember whether I used musical or melodic when I signed up a few months ago.) It says the site is down for maintenance right now. When I'm looking it up, all I see is stuff about the forum being hacked back in March, but I'm not really seeing anything past when this thread was made. Can anyone explain to me what's going on with MSPAF? And yes, I made an account here just for this question, but I'm gonna stay on for now. The short story is that some hacker got in and deleted all of the forum's webpages. The hacker went uncontested due to a total lack of staff on the forums and Blaperile made these temp forums for us to wait at while the proper forums get sorted out. After two months of total silence from What Pumpkin we've recently have philip from WP turn up telling us the new forums are underway. It's nice that the WP staff seems to care so much for the forums and for us when dealing with a hacker.Well, at least WPs confirmed that they're working on new forums, at the very least.
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Post by DS Piron on Jun 9, 2016 1:03:30 GMT
From the sound of it, it might've not even been WP's idea, and was just something done by philip on his own initiative (or asked of him by the mods he contacted, but that is baseless speculation for the most part.)
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Post by mementovivere on Jun 9, 2016 3:32:20 GMT
From the sound of it, it might've not even been WP's idea, and was just something done by philip on his own initiative (or asked of him by the mods he contacted, but that is baseless speculation for the most part.) I'm not sure where you got that impression from, considering the opposite has been said a few times already. Phillip was brought on by WP specifically to work on bringing the forums back, and he was the one who contacted us to help him out with that.
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Post by DS Piron on Jun 9, 2016 4:49:31 GMT
...I was referring to how letting us know seems to have been phillip's descision,not WP*
It's pretty clear that WP's brought on philip to handle the forum issue. I wasn't too clear, sorry
(*Unless one is to consider philip a member of WP, which, he very likely is.)
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Post by mementovivere on Jun 9, 2016 5:24:37 GMT
...I was referring to how letting us know seems to have been phillip's descision,not WP* It's pretty clear that WP's brought on philip to handle the forum issue. I wasn't too clear, sorry (*Unless one is to consider philip a member of WP, which, he very likely is.)Ahhhh, gotcha. My bad!
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Post by kanjigirl on Jun 9, 2016 5:52:51 GMT
Even though Homestuck been over for a couple months I think people would still come for the forum adventures. I'm not really into Homestuck, but I really like All Night Laundry and Waterworks. It's not like Hussie stopped creating either. He'll make other things and people will want to talk about that.
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Post by eerr on Jun 9, 2016 12:21:06 GMT
Man the adventure subforum always produced like mad. I thought they were the main focus of MSPAF.
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Post by turtleoracle on Jun 9, 2016 12:53:53 GMT
eerr I gotta say your adventure critiques on the fan adventure critique thread never cease to entertain me. The GameBro based one especially.
But yeah I think the fan adventure subforum was always the most active and I used MSPAF only for that.
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 9, 2016 14:11:54 GMT
It's true that the forum adventures were always a strong subforum, but many of the most popular creators have already moved to other venues. The MSPA forums aren't the only place you can do those, and as their storied history has now been totally lost, there's little reason to pick that one.
Like, I'm pretty deep into the forum adventures community and a lot of them were already very uneasy about what pumpkin, because of the two occasions the subforum looked like it was under threat of being removed. Now that all of their past work is gone very few of them I have asked are ready to trust that company again.
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Post by Fish on Jun 9, 2016 18:21:03 GMT
Yeah, eagletime is the main venue for the mspafa community, in large part because of all the times WP has fucked them over. I wouldn't be surprised if new forum users built their own forum adventure community on the new mspaf, though. Making your own sburbventure is really, really, really popular . . .
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 9, 2016 18:25:45 GMT
That's true, the What Pumpkin forums will probably always be the home for Homestuck-themed forum adventures, and there are still going to be some people who said they will grudgingly re-post all of their work just for the larger audience. But I think it's lost a significant portion of what made that community interesting to me (as in, things that aren't fanworks) and will struggle to get it back.
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Post by plainWonder on Jun 9, 2016 19:58:50 GMT
One purpose of the Homestuck Official Youtube channel is to share stuff related to the fandom, right? Like, I imagine famous fan artists with their own channels or forum adventures might be featured.
Perhaps the new forum could contain somewhere a few outgoing links to unofficial offsite fandom hubs, like eagletime and the subreddit. (With the required addendum that the content on those sites isn't moderated or endorsed by What Pumpkin, of course.)
I'm just proposing it in the spirit of trying to get some cross-pollination going. If additional people find the forums, and through the forums go to other places that other fans frequent, perhaps the things they talk about there could instigate the other people to come back and check the new forums out.
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Post by Fish on Jun 10, 2016 18:06:39 GMT
PW, I think Jac's not really talking about fan artists, though. I guess Cauchemar's counts as fan art but a lot of the "famous" forum adventures in the old forum adventure community, such as K6BD, were only related to MSPA in that they also used a forum adventure format. These non-derivative works should also crop up on the new forum, though, regardless of whether or not the old community is there? Because after a year or so a lot of people get tired of sburbventures and sburb rps and so forth. The community will be different, but the community of 2010 was different from the community of 2015, too, and non-fanwork forum adventures from both periods are still good and entertaining. I don't think that the continuing influence of a non-fanwork community was the deciding factor in new users making non-fanwork forum adventures - I think there's just an innate desire to create without relying on another author's material. I remember at least a few people whose first post was the first page of their original forum adventure, who wouldn't realistically have been influenced by the forum community. Anyway, I guess we'll see when the new forum goes up.
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Post by plainWonder on Jun 11, 2016 18:16:12 GMT
Alright, that's true. Still, it wouldn't hurt to have Eagletime be mentioned, if only on a "History of the MSPA Forums" sticky thread.
I believe we had one in the past, one that showcased some of the old memes and customs of the forum community.
Like forum user Leaf, who woke up out of a coma and supposedly first thing they checked was if MSPA had updated.
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 11, 2016 23:39:52 GMT
Fighting on behalf of someone else is usually considered a nice thing plainWonder, but uh... did you ask whether the people at Eagle Time actually want what you are fighting for first? Because, I don't think you're even a member of that community? And I can assure you, that this is not something that the site owner would ask for. Because we were literally talking about it days ago.
Pick a community that you are part of to champion instead please.
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Post by Selvsetter on Jun 11, 2016 23:57:54 GMT
Alright, that's true. Still, it wouldn't hurt to have Eagletime be mentioned, yeah no thanks If WP's not going to learn a damn thing from its community-building past (or at least, not make even a token show of acknowledging where mistakes were made and how they're going to rethink+address things moving forward), why would it want to enshrine it
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Post by Neptz on Jun 12, 2016 0:27:04 GMT
Fighting on behalf of someone else is usually considered a nice thing plainWonder, but uh... did you ask whether the people at Eagle Time actually want what you are fighting for first? Because, I don't think you're even a member of that community? And I can assure you, that this is not something that the site owner would ask for. Because we were literally talking about it days ago. Pick a community that you are part of to champion instead please. This post feels odd to me for some reason. It just seems more defensive than anything Jac has posted before. I... kind of agree other websites shouldn't be mentioned, because honestly, then everyone would move over to those places and abandon the forums, and I don't think anyone wants that.
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 12, 2016 0:34:27 GMT
Fighting on behalf of someone else is usually considered a nice thing plainWonder, but uh... did you ask whether the people at Eagle Time actually want what you are fighting for first? Because, I don't think you're even a member of that community? And I can assure you, that this is not something that the site owner would ask for. Because we were literally talking about it days ago. Pick a community that you are part of to champion instead please. This post feels odd to me for some reason. It just seems more defensive than anything Jac has posted before. ? ? ? ok I have no idea what you mean by this.
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Post by Neptz on Jun 12, 2016 0:41:54 GMT
This post feels odd to me for some reason. It just seems more defensive than anything Jac has posted before. ? ? ? ok I have no idea what you mean by this. See the italicized points. I have not seen this in your posts. It also feels more aggressive, although I am not saying it breaks a rule in anyway.
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