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Post by jacquerel on Jun 12, 2016 0:45:08 GMT
I don't know what to tell you dude, I put emphasis formatting in my posts pretty often. This seems like a really unnecessary thing to have said. |
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Post by Selvsetter on Jun 12, 2016 0:48:18 GMT
It's called emphasis, cuz maybe Jac's been super-patient with you numpties and your weird combination of detached-from-reality idealism and plain not-reading and he's iterating what should've been obvious?
Like granted maybe it's not obvious you shouldn't keep sticking up for a group of people with actual opinions (as opposed to a nebulous decontextualised ~place~), I dunno, I'm with him on this count
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Post by Neptz on Jun 12, 2016 0:53:39 GMT
It's called emphasis, cuz maybe Jac's been super-patient with you numpties and your weird combination of detached-from-reality idealism and plain not-reading and he's iterating what should've been obvious? Like granted maybe it's not obvious you shouldn't keep sticking up for a group of people with actual opinions (as opposed to a nebulous decontextualised ~place~), I dunno, I'm with him on this count I haven't posted in this thread for a few weeks. I was definitely not involved in the conversation. Also, sorry, yes, I do tend to point out irrelevant/useless things sometimes. I just tend to think people are aggravated when they are not. |
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Post by mementovivere on Jun 12, 2016 3:01:25 GMT
Yo, let's please remember to stay respectful to one another, as well as stay on topic. No communities need to be linked to who don't want to be.
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Post by SpottedBlades on Jun 12, 2016 12:09:26 GMT
I wonder what will happen to Omegaupdate after Mspaforums are back. Will it be deleted? Will it stay and serve as a backup, in case Mspaforums are down again? Or will some people not come back at all?
I've never been really active on Mspaforums back then, so I don't miss much. But I know some of you did. What do you plan after Mspaf's comeback?
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Post by Arashi500 on Jun 12, 2016 12:38:57 GMT
I wonder what will happen to Omegaupdate after Mspaforums are back. Will it be deleted? Will it stay and serve as a backup, in case Mspaforums are down again? Or will some people not come back at all? I've never been really active on Mspaforums back then, so I don't miss much. But I know some of you did. What do you plan after Mspaf's comeback? Blap has already stated he won't be deleting Omegaupdate after the new official MSPAF comes up, so there's that. |
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Post by sjasogun on Jun 12, 2016 14:57:09 GMT
I'm not sure why a lot of people seem to be happy over finally hearing from WP through phillip. If anything, it's only deepened my distrust of WP. I mean, apparently they decided that sending in someone who bears no responsibility for anything that's happened since he's new and who can divulge almost no concrete information is enough to make up for all this. Unless they are just not aware of the magnitude of discontent that has sprouted among what are basically their customers. Phillip has said that that's not the case though, but really, how much does that say? Some guy drops in, assures us that WP really does care guys I promise even though they haven't taken even the most minor effort required to say "Yo we're busy you'll get like a paragraph or two of explanation in a week or two" or whatever.
There's been no responsibility taken, no statements made on why all of these decisions have been made (I don't consider "we're too busy" to be a valid excuse, you have the time to type two sentences if you do care) and no announcements made on any concrete plans to improve on anything. The only thing we've heard, after over two months of the forums going down and basically getting complete silence from WP is that they're still thinking about the forums. Wow, isn't that a relief.
Nothing against you personally phillip, none of this is your fault and you're now in the unfortunate position of wanting to help but not being able to say anything and not knowing a lot of the details due to not being around for many of the big events. You made none of these decisions and you're as much bound by WP's refusal to own up to anything as we are at this point.
But most of all I'm disappointed in Andrew. Andrew knows how important community is, he started out as a member of one when he originally started MSPA and he's engaged a lot with his fans throughout the course of MSPA, doing such things as incorporating memes, in-jokes and headcanon into the story itself. He knows the community, he was arguably even a part of it. But regarding all of this he too has stayed so terribly quiet. It feels like a betrayal almost. At this point I don't think even the fabled huge community participating event of Lord English coming into the forums itself or something like that would help, since so many people wouldn't even hear about it due to having ceased being active members of the community.
It's just... I'm just sad, I guess. Sad that this huge, vibrant community had to crumble into pieces like this, and frustrated that I don't even know why.
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Post by Neptz on Jun 12, 2016 16:18:34 GMT
Regarding Andrew, I think he just got tired at one point, of the fandom. He doesn't really interact with us anymore outside of newsposts and even then those were a bit scarce.
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Post by DS Piron on Jun 12, 2016 17:30:40 GMT
All in all this is just horrific neglect.
There was no formal acknowledgement of the forums getting hacked, no statment that they put a guy to fix it,
They can't even ive us an ETA on when it could be back, what if it's years?
Hussie couldn't give enough of a damn about homestuck to give us a proper send off; sometyhing that went above and beyond Cascade.
Rescept should is given WHEN IT'S EARNed. And everyone at WP* has lost it all.
*expect phillip. Assuming he actually decided to do this on his own, and not at the request of the former admins he talked to set it up.
"Someone hacked us, we're looking into the matter. We'll get the forums up as soon as possible, but it might be a year or two because we want to find a better forum software that is more robust. We might not be able to transfer the old posts, but we're making it a prority to gett the forums back up first before bringing the old posts back. Thank you for your patience."
Two minutes to type that. I timed myself. Why couldn't we have gotten this from WP, (but without the typos I missed in my rush)?
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Post by Blaperile on Jun 12, 2016 18:07:23 GMT
I wonder what will happen to Omegaupdate after Mspaforums are back. Will it be deleted? Will it stay and serve as a backup, in case Mspaforums are down again? Or will some people not come back at all? I've never been really active on Mspaforums back then, so I don't miss much. But I know some of you did. What do you plan after Mspaf's comeback? When the new forums are here, Omegaupdate will stay online but all categories will be locked for creating new threads. Existing threads will be closed, except for Forum Adventures and Fan Projects who I give the choice on what they want to do: stay here, or go to the new forums. Should another forumpocalypse happen to the new forums (though I hope with all my heart there won't), then the Omegaupdate forums will still be there to open up again. |
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Post by sporkaganza on Jun 12, 2016 18:13:04 GMT
Honestly my current theory is that WP thought that this might possibly have something to do with the whole Odd Gentlemen fiasco, or something else they're not able to divulge (like RJ implied in that imageboard post). It would definitely explain why they've kept so quiet about it. It's not an excuse for the shit they've pulled but it does make sense to me.
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 12, 2016 18:24:26 GMT
Honestly my current theory is that WP thought that this might possibly have something to do with the whole Odd Gentlemen fiasco, or something else they're not able to divulge (like RJ implied in that imageboard post). It would definitely explain why they've kept so quiet about it. It's not an excuse for the shit they've pulled but it does make sense to me. I'm not going to lie, this seems like a pretty extreme reach to me. How, in any way, could the hacking of their forum be linked to alleged misappropriation of funds for a video game? If they had a good reason for keeping everyone in the dark, wouldn't they have told Phillip to relay it to us? These events were entirely unconnected and there is absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. WP have just been negligent. Just like they were literally every other time they had to deliver news about the forum. As they will no doubt continue to be going forward, because there's not really any consequences for it. That's all there is to it. |
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Post by PlatinumUmbreon on Jun 12, 2016 20:39:20 GMT
Yeah, and I hate that What Pumpkin doesn't seem to care too much for the MSPAF community. Funds might play a small part--I repeat, SMALL PART--in the forums vulnerability towards hackers, but WP or Andrew could've simply put up a donation thing for the MSPAF, and as for the hacking itself, if I'm not mistaken, they can promote some of the mods to admin (though I'm not too savvy on the inner workings of forums). In short, the high vulnerability can be fixed, but no, we get a huge "*bleep* you" by ignoring us for two months and then not even announcing things by themselves.
Ordinarily, I'll try to keep positive about things, but frankly, I'm not seeing much hope, and this is coming from a girl who has only been in the community for approximately three months.
But I guess I'll stop ranting about WP; what are your plans for when the new MSPAF is up? Other than continuing Draconic Inferno in story format, I might try to expand my servers to the other games like TF2 and Pokemon Showdown tourneys so there's a little something for everyone.
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Post by sporkaganza on Jun 12, 2016 21:00:38 GMT
I'm going to be honest, Jacquerel. You seem like a good guy and you're justified in your grievances and your anger. But from the embittered way you talk about this, I can tell that literally nothing WP could ever do or hope to do would be enough to make it up to you. I think it might be healthier for you to move on.
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 12, 2016 21:08:09 GMT
I'm going to be honest, Jacquerel. You seem like a good guy and you're justified in your grievances and your anger. But from the embittered way you talk about this, I can tell that literally nothing WP could ever do or hope to do would be enough to make it up to you. I think it might be healthier for you to move on. They could absolutely do things to make it up to me, it's just that so far all they've done is say things. Which is also what they did every other time, and yet then made the same mistakes the next time. |
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Post by Arashi500 on Jun 12, 2016 23:16:04 GMT
Honestly my current theory is that WP thought that this might possibly have something to do with the whole Odd Gentlemen fiasco, or something else they're not able to divulge (like RJ implied in that imageboard post). It would definitely explain why they've kept so quiet about it. It's not an excuse for the shit they've pulled but it does make sense to me. I'm not going to lie, this seems like a pretty extreme reach to me. How, in any way, could the hacking of their forum be linked to alleged misappropriation of funds for a video game? If they had a good reason for keeping everyone in the dark, wouldn't they have told Phillip to relay it to us? These events were entirely unconnected and there is absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. WP have just been negligent. Just like they were literally every other time they had to deliver news about the forum. As they will no doubt continue to be going forward, because there's not really any consequences for it. That's all there is to it. While it actually being connected to "The Odd Gentlemen fiasco" I find doubtful, I definitely think it played a part in the turn of absolute silence we've had from WP in general for the last few years. It seems to me that they're scared to death of breaking NDA on SOMETHING to the point where absolute silence must seem like the best way to approach it. That, or Andrew is in a position where ever single innocuous thing he does has to run through a laywer(s) and/or PR (if WP has any PR) before he can even tweet someone a happy birthday message. Though you're right, Jac, they should be doing more. It's a clusterfuck. But a clusterfuck I'm happy they've at least acknowledged even if in an indirect way. |
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Post by kanjigirl on Jun 13, 2016 6:28:28 GMT
If/when the forums come back, I'll probably stick around and see if any of the old forum adventures come back.
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Post by researcherwisemon on Jun 13, 2016 16:05:46 GMT
While it actually being connected to "The Odd Gentlemen fiasco" I find doubtful, I definitely think it played a part in the turn of absolute silence we've had from WP in general for the last few years. It seems to me that they're scared to death of breaking NDA on SOMETHING to the point where absolute silence must seem like the best way to approach it. That, or Andrew is in a position where ever single innocuous thing he does has to run through a laywer(s) and/or PR (if WP has any PR) before he can even tweet someone a happy birthday message. Though you're right, Jac, they should be doing more. It's a clusterfuck. But a clusterfuck I'm happy they've at least acknowledged even if in an indirect way. I agree with the general thinking in this whole statement, Arashi. It's definitely not *100%* the TOG fiasco. While I wish they were showing us that they were doing work to fix this, it makes me think back to that time (that I mentioned earlier way back in the thread) when I first realized that how the more you know about a situation, the more rational it is sometimes to remain silent on the subject. As time goes on and we learn tiny bits more, it increasingly seems to me that WP's mouths are gagged with regards to *SOMETHING* that's affecting just about everything else they do. Why else would philip have to sign an NDA just to work on bringing forums online? Plus, a few cagey remarks seem to imply that there's a lot of stuff that happened besides the "TOG Fiasco" that we haven't heard about because it *can't* be talked about without breaching "Professional and Human Courtesy." It's almost certain that whatever it was that happened put the whole company under a massive gag order regardless of where a person works in it. Although what "it"is I don't know if it's one thing or several; either way it's pretty clear to me that this "something unknown" is definitely casting a long shadow over WP's public relations. I definitely wouldn't call it "Neglect" though. |
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Post by jacquerel on Jun 13, 2016 16:28:46 GMT
It's at least generous of you to assume there's a conspiracy theory is at work I guess, I'm still going to go with "it was the same negligence that it was every other time this happened".
If you keep imagining there's some secret they can't tell you though, when does that limit expire? At what point can you accept that there wasn't?
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Post by Arashi500 on Jun 13, 2016 16:59:14 GMT
While it actually being connected to "The Odd Gentlemen fiasco" I find doubtful, I definitely think it played a part in the turn of absolute silence we've had from WP in general for the last few years. It seems to me that they're scared to death of breaking NDA on SOMETHING to the point where absolute silence must seem like the best way to approach it. That, or Andrew is in a position where ever single innocuous thing he does has to run through a laywer(s) and/or PR (if WP has any PR) before he can even tweet someone a happy birthday message. Though you're right, Jac, they should be doing more. It's a clusterfuck. But a clusterfuck I'm happy they've at least acknowledged even if in an indirect way. I agree with the general thinking in this whole statement, Arashi. It's definitely not *100%* the TOG fiasco. While I wish they were showing us that they were doing work to fix this, it makes me think back to that time (that I mentioned earlier way back in the thread) when I first realized that how the more you know about a situation, the more rational it is sometimes to remain silent on the subject. As time goes on and we learn tiny bits more, it increasingly seems to me that WP's mouths are gagged with regards to *SOMETHING* that's affecting just about everything else they do. Why else would philip have to sign an NDA just to work on bringing forums online? Plus, a few cagey remarks seem to imply that there's a lot of stuff that happened besides the "TOG Fiasco" that we haven't heard about because it *can't* be talked about without breaching "Professional and Human Courtesy." It's almost certain that whatever it was that happened put the whole company under a massive gag order regardless of where a person works in it. Although what "it"is I don't know if it's one thing or several; either way it's pretty clear to me that this "something unknown" is definitely casting a long shadow over WP's public relations. I definitely wouldn't call it "Neglect" though. I actually would call it "neglect", just not neglect coming from a place of ill will or even apathy. Which makes the pill easier to swallow, if no less bitter. It's at least generous of you to assume there's a conspiracy theory is at work I guess, I'm still going to go with "it was the same negligence that it was every other time this happened". If you keep imagining there's some secret they can't tell you though, when does that limit expire? At what point can you accept that there wasn't? Probably the point where I'm convinced Andrew has totally lost interest. Which just doesn't seem plausible to me from where I sit. Hussie just doesn't seem either stupid or apathetic enough to let these sort of things slide without reason. And having been in strange legal places before myself, it's not hard for me to understand that the people involved want to let as few people in on the matter as possible, whether or not it's ultimately for the best. Which I understand, even if I'm not content with it. All in all though, it seems like WP dropped the ball and never quite picked it back up somewhere around late 2012-early 2013 for some reason (contact with the audience seems to just disappear out of no where), be it the Odd Gentlemen fiasco or something else, and either way the company looks like it's hesitant to talk about it for one reason or another. Whether this means WP has it's hands actually tied, or is just taking a foolishly over-cautious route, I don't know. But I do suspect the latter. |
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Post by researcherwisemon on Jun 13, 2016 19:09:00 GMT
I agree with the general thinking in this whole statement, Arashi. It's definitely not *100%* the TOG fiasco. While I wish they were showing us that they were doing work to fix this, it makes me think back to that time (that I mentioned earlier way back in the thread) when I first realized that how the more you know about a situation, the more rational it is sometimes to remain silent on the subject. As time goes on and we learn tiny bits more, it increasingly seems to me that WP's mouths are gagged with regards to *SOMETHING* that's affecting just about everything else they do. Why else would philip have to sign an NDA just to work on bringing forums online? Plus, a few cagey remarks seem to imply that there's a lot of stuff that happened besides the "TOG Fiasco" that we haven't heard about because it *can't* be talked about without breaching "Professional and Human Courtesy." It's almost certain that whatever it was that happened put the whole company under a massive gag order regardless of where a person works in it. Although what "it"is I don't know if it's one thing or several; either way it's pretty clear to me that this "something unknown" is definitely casting a long shadow over WP's public relations. I definitely wouldn't call it "Neglect" though. I actually would call it "neglect", just not neglect coming from a place of ill will or even apathy. Which makes the pill easier to swallow, if no less bitter. Mmmh, fair enough. *nods* Same opinion as bolded. I'd personally put my speculations at 65% hands tied, 35% cautious secrecy. Depending on what we learn in the future, I'm willing to adjust those numbers either way. |
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 13, 2016 23:31:15 GMT
I haven't done any deep research or whatever into the goings-on of What Pumpkin and all its troubles, but it's pretty clear to me that something big happened not at all related to The Odd Gentlemen. The What Pumpkin NYC studios was shuttered after less than a year (though that may have been due to the art style switch, I doubt that reason was big enough to lay the entire team off), What Pumpkin's storefront was transferred permanently to WeLoveFine, Softowl completely went dark on social media around 11 months ago right around the time that Hiveswap's social media vanished. The lack of Music Team output for over three years and the forum's failure to re-open seem to contribute to the idea that What Pumpkin has just been extremely troubled and unable to deal with any major issues for quite some time. Maybe none of these are connected directly, but they all show signs that something big has been going on behind the scenes for a while. I just wish we knew a little more about it...
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Post by sigh on Jun 14, 2016 3:01:26 GMT
One question I have is, if you're not allowed to say things under a gag order, are you allowed to say that you're under that gag order? Because if not then that seems like a horrific abuse of power the court systems could have over people in the wrong hands.
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Post by kanjigirl on Jun 14, 2016 3:44:02 GMT
One question I have is, if you're not allowed to say things under a gag order, are you allowed to say that you're under that gag order? Because if not then that seems like a horrific abuse of power the court systems could have over people in the wrong hands. That's a really good point... I'd say it probably depends on just how big a situation is though. I don't really know anything about law though. |
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Post by Stephen on Jun 14, 2016 8:08:32 GMT
Hey so I was active on the MSPAF way back in the dark ages of like, the last few months of PS and the first year of HS. Recently I remembered something that I wrote on those forums and tried going back there to retrieve it (I have backups of images and stuff from those days, but not text), but saw the "forums are down for maintenance". So I checked back the next day and they were still down, so I forgot about it for a few weeks, and they were still undergoing maintenance? And so I realized it probably wasn't actually maintenance.
Anyway, deep doogle-diving scrounged me to here, the place on the internet with some information about MSPAF. Hi, I recognize some faces, that's really cool!
Neat to learn that something's being worked on, though "after the rest of our to-do list we might look to recover archives" means there isn't really any good news for me specifically. Oh well, I'll live.
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