Fish
Rungjumpin' Ragamuffin
mostly on discord
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Post by Fish on Apr 14, 2017 18:02:45 GMT
RIOT
hey hey, ho ho, forums need to stay dead? no
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Post by crypticmushroom on Apr 17, 2017 21:46:03 GMT
I too had a forum adventure which seems to have been lost to the ages. All I have left is the images I made for it, maybe a couple of bits of text. Been thinking of starting up another one, so I made an account here... But man, I hate losing work.
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Post by laserdogbad on Apr 20, 2017 2:48:32 GMT
someone mentione dme a year ago in this thread im not dead yet im chesse20 most of the time now
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Fish
Rungjumpin' Ragamuffin
mostly on discord
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Post by Fish on Apr 20, 2017 16:02:23 GMT
cool. will you ever return should the new mspa forums be unleashed?
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quartoze
Juvesquirt
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Post by quartoze on Apr 21, 2017 17:20:07 GMT
So where is our old pal Philip with his comforting lies?
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phantos
Moppet of Destiny
『HARD TIMES』
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Post by phantos on Apr 21, 2017 18:32:22 GMT
We basically got a "it will be ready when it's ready" the last time we heard. It is out of his hands almost entirely.
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Post by invisibleTerrarium on Apr 30, 2017 22:30:03 GMT
So, say I wanted to archive what I could of a specific RP thread in a google doc. I've done what I could (copypasting the first 3 pages from the thread's title at the time of its closure), but if I changed the URL that I'm searching to what the thread was called at different points, would I be able to get different results? And if yes, what was the forum's system of url-writing? web.archive.org/web/20130926181809/http://mspaforums.com/showthread.php?54178-Super-High-School-Level-Dangan-Ronpa-Roleplay-%28THREAD-1-COMPLETE%29/page2This is the archive of the thread from when it had the title "Super High School Level Dangan Ronpa Roleplay (THREAD 1 COMPLETE)" at the end of the thread. But if, for example, I were to change "THREAD ONE COMPLETE" to "Prologue: accepting submissions," would I be able to potentially see results from that time period? And if so, how would I format that in the URL bar?
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Post by Stephen on May 2, 2017 19:03:56 GMT
Man, I just really wish I could know, yes or no, whether I'll ever be able to recover my stuff from the old forum.
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Post by phillip on May 13, 2017 16:52:01 GMT
I've pinged WP a couple times since my internship ended, and each time the response is basically that they're not ready yet but will be soon. I'm almost certain it's only going to be a priority after Hiveswap part 1 launches. I'm not really affiliated with the company anymore, but I'll finish the job here once they're ready.
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EffinCoy
Gadabout Pipsqueak
Die.
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Post by EffinCoy on May 13, 2017 19:01:58 GMT
Meme suspicion that it'll be ready on June 12th
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thedude3445
Scampermaster
Homestuck? More like, Homo suck... oh wait...
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Post by thedude3445 on May 16, 2017 10:42:57 GMT
Tragic.
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Post by Zephyr Nepres on Jun 3, 2017 12:14:45 GMT
The real tragedy is that Corgi Quest ended, and I can't reread it. : (
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 6, 2017 2:37:39 GMT
What I find odd is that it's been well over a year since the Hackening, and yet the old forums' web server is still up and running. When will the lease on the hardware run out? Or is it on automatic payment and WP is so focused on other things they haven't even noticed they're still paying for a website that doesn't exist?
Looking at the Glowhost site(whom the forums were hosted with) it looks like you can pay for, at most, 2 years at a time. So if the site is still up by april next year, then we have our answer. Also, it look like most of Glowhost's plans plans come with automatic, regular backup features, so there's hope that the data still is recoverable.
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thedude3445
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Homestuck? More like, Homo suck... oh wait...
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 6, 2017 10:06:41 GMT
What I find odd is that it's been well over a year since the Hackening, and yet the old forums' web server is still up and running. When will the lease on the hardware run out? Or is it on automatic payment and WP is so focused on other things they haven't even noticed they're still paying for a website that doesn't exist? Looking at the Glowhost site(whom the forums were hosted with) it looks like you can pay for, at most, 2 years at a time. So if the site is still up by april next year, then we have our answer. Also, it look like most of Glowhost's plans plans come with automatic, regular backup features, so there's hope that the data still is recoverable. If the forums have automatic backups readily available then I'm confused why the forums didn't go back up immediately...
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 6, 2017 12:39:51 GMT
What I find odd is that it's been well over a year since the Hackening, and yet the old forums' web server is still up and running. When will the lease on the hardware run out? Or is it on automatic payment and WP is so focused on other things they haven't even noticed they're still paying for a website that doesn't exist? Looking at the Glowhost site(whom the forums were hosted with) it looks like you can pay for, at most, 2 years at a time. So if the site is still up by april next year, then we have our answer. Also, it look like most of Glowhost's plans plans come with automatic, regular backup features, so there's hope that the data still is recoverable. If the forums have automatic backups readily available then I'm confused why the forums didn't go back up immediately... Well a straight restore wouldn't be much help because whatever security weakness the hacker script kiddie used would still be there and the site would still be at risk. Either that or the claims of "WP has done nothing" are disappointingly literal and they can't even find the spare 15 seconds to click the restore button.
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The One Guy
Rust Maid
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Post by The One Guy on Jun 6, 2017 13:27:32 GMT
Presumably once they get the forums back up and running they plan to use the same server; that's probably why it's still up and running regardless of if backups were made. It may even host whatever prototype they're currently working on.
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Post by mementovivere on Jun 6, 2017 13:57:15 GMT
My knowledge of code and programming and databases is super limited, but if I recall the issue is basically that all the virusy/compromised/whatever code was still there, so a reset of the contents of the forum would have still been Bad. Plus they really did want to make a shiny new replacement forum, which as discussed was pretty close to complete and just waiting for approval and server type stuff on WP's end.
A backup does exist I think, but in a form that made it tricky to extract the data in a practical way? There were safety/security concerns there, too. I realize that's not particularly helpful, but it's been like a year since all of this discussion was going on and I only kind of understood it at the time so the details are foggy.
But yeah. Moral of the story is that probably nothing is going to happen until Hiveswap gets released, and then MAYBE things will happen once some people's hands are freed? It's not ideal, but what can ya do.
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thedude3445
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Homestuck? More like, Homo suck... oh wait...
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 9, 2017 10:03:08 GMT
I just feel like the data wouldn't be so tricky to extract, is the thing. I mean, I could be completely wrong because my knowledge of this kind of thing is really limited, but I feel like getting a complete backup of at the very least the threads and posts on a forum in a read-only state would not be hard because of the fact it was using a very popular forum engine.
But, it's been long enough that it's really not too much more than an "oh well" at this point...
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 9, 2017 10:54:47 GMT
I just feel like the data wouldn't be so tricky to extract, is the thing. I mean, I could be completely wrong because my knowledge of this kind of thing is really limited, but I feel like getting a complete backup of at the very least the threads and posts on a forum in a read-only state would not be hard because of the fact it was using a very popular forum engine. But, it's been long enough that it's really not too much more than an "oh well" at this point... Extracting as in taking the physical files out is easy sure. But the data would almost certainly need to be sanitized for public viewing first; cutting out all the users' IP addresses for instance. You'd need to assign people who are familiar enough with the site's database to know what needs to be modified/cut out, and also can write the scripts for the database to carry that out. From there the process may take some time, depending on how long it takes to process the millions of posts. With all of that effort, you might as well just convert it to the new site's format instead.
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Post by csj on Jun 15, 2017 15:41:45 GMT
If the forums have automatic backups readily available then I'm confused why the forums didn't go back up immediately... Well a straight restore wouldn't be much help because whatever security weakness the hacker script kiddie used would still be there and the site would still be at risk. Either that or the claims of "WP has done nothing" are disappointingly literal and they can't even find the spare 15 seconds to click the restore button.I doubt it was ever this simple, but essentially... yes. Previous posts and interaction with people with some semblance of authority indicated that there were no staff with the power/time/willingness to do this.
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Post by jacquerel on Sept 14, 2017 22:35:24 GMT
Is it a good time to roll our eyes about how their game is out and there's still no forum to discuss it on
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Post by brobyddark on Sept 15, 2017 3:25:00 GMT
Is it a good time to roll our eyes about how their game is out and there's still no forum to discuss it on Yes. Giving attention to their lack of attention to complaints about a lack of an official MSPA discussion hub may get them to working. Or the community could take a page from the Lorax and lift itself away. If a considerable amount of fans up and disappear, WP might finally start working on recreating the old forum, to draw the fans back in. A considerable amount of interest drawn to MSPA, I think, is the amount of discussion being put into Homestuck, despite its ending, and the recently released Hiveswap. With no place to talk about either of those, interest will fade and WP will lose money. If that process was seemingly sped up, maybe they'll do something?
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Post by obsidalicious on Sept 16, 2017 0:34:45 GMT
Is it a good time to roll our eyes about how their game is out and there's still no forum to discuss it on Yes. Giving attention to their lack of attention to complaints about a lack of an official MSPA discussion hub may get them to working. Or the community could take a page from the Lorax and lift itself away. If a considerable amount of fans up and disappear, WP might finally start working on recreating the old forum, to draw the fans back in. A considerable amount of interest drawn to MSPA, I think, is the amount of discussion being put into Homestuck, despite its ending, and the recently released Hiveswap. With no place to talk about either of those, interest will fade and WP will lose money. If that process was seemingly sped up, maybe they'll do something? In principle that should work, but this isn't exactly the most typical of cases. One the one hand, it seems that WP is basically ready to relaunch the forums at the press of the button, but aren't for some unknown reason. Perhaps they believe the forums aren't worth the cost, in which case, dropping the fandom activity would worsen the situation. And on the other hand, since WP has had seemingly no contact with the fandom at all for years, would they even notice if the fandom's activity started dropping? Worst case scenario, the only contact WP has with the fans is the sales figures of Hiveswap and the merch, and convincing people to not buy those things on the grounds that there's one less discussion platform is no easy task. Slightly-less-worse case scenario, the reviews for Hiveswap are also being monitored, so flooding them with mentions of the forum issue might, at the very least, get through to them. But like I said, making them aware of the issue isn't actually the problem here, it's getting them to act, or at the very least respond.
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Post by ten 11 on Sept 21, 2017 0:27:12 GMT
Hey Philip, now that Hiveswap's been released, are you allowed to tell us about you experiences with WP? I'd be interested in hearing any stories you have,
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quartoze
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Post by quartoze on Oct 25, 2017 8:53:24 GMT
Hey Philip, now that Hiveswap's been released, are you allowed to tell us about you experiences with WP? I'd be interested in hearing any stories you have, Philip was never real. You have to wake up. The accident was 10 years ago. Let it go.
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