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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 28, 2016 21:46:17 GMT
It'd be even worse if that "Araeri Lalonde" is some Human-Troll Hybrid from Rose and Kanaya with absolutely no mention of how that's even a thing. Like we're just supposed to accept that the two species are reproductively compatible, or that someone spent hours in a lab somewhere making that chimera viable. And because I always think these things out too much, I'm now thinking about how a human uterus would handle troll horns. 'Not well' is what I'm pretty sure the answer should be.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 28, 2016 23:43:24 GMT
It'd be even worse if that "Araeri Lalonde" is some Human-Troll Hybrid from Rose and Kanaya with absolutely no mention of how that's even a thing. Like we're just supposed to accept that the two species are reproductively compatible, or that someone spent hours in a lab somewhere making that chimera viable. And because I always think these things out too much, I'm now thinking about how a human uterus would handle troll horns. 'Not well' is what I'm pretty sure the answer should be. I wouldn't have a problem with that specifically because of ectobiology. That seems like the easy answer to that one.
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Post by TirantBacon on Jun 29, 2016 2:19:18 GMT
I would probably consider an epilogue that answers no questions whatsoever as the **worst** way of summing up the following of act 7. Hussie's quite an unpredictable dude when it comes to what you might expect in an update. Going with the "It was all a dream" approach would also be a bad card if AH ever had to go in that direction (which is something he wouldn't do). Who knows what the epilogue has in store. Who knows if the epilogue will even come out? These are very worst case scenario approaches but it's always somewhat possible.
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Post by TirantBacon on Jun 29, 2016 2:21:05 GMT
It'd be even worse if that "Araeri Lalonde" is some Human-Troll Hybrid from Rose and Kanaya with absolutely no mention of how that's even a thing. Like we're just supposed to accept that the two species are reproductively compatible, or that someone spent hours in a lab somewhere making that chimera viable. And because I always think these things out too much, I'm now thinking about how a human uterus would handle troll horns. 'Not well' is what I'm pretty sure the answer should be. I REALLY hope that's not going to be a thing. In any case It would be very interesting to see how that would play out lmao.
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Post by melonlord on Jun 29, 2016 2:32:52 GMT
It'd be even worse if that "Araeri Lalonde" is some Human-Troll Hybrid from Rose and Kanaya with absolutely no mention of how that's even a thing. Like we're just supposed to accept that the two species are reproductively compatible, or that someone spent hours in a lab somewhere making that chimera viable. And because I always think these things out too much, I'm now thinking about how a human uterus would handle troll horns. 'Not well' is what I'm pretty sure the answer should be. Heck, I don't think trolls would even have a mechanism for pregnancy, or getting someone else pregnant. Any material they produce would be suitable exclusively for use by a mother grub. Assuming intercourse with a human is even possible.
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Post by Neptz on Jun 29, 2016 8:05:00 GMT
If trolls have anything like a penis, intercourse would probably be possible. Even if not... humans are fucking creative, we'd find a way.
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 30, 2016 5:58:12 GMT
I wouldn't have a problem with that specifically because of ectobiology. That seems like the easy answer to that one. I don't think that Ecto-biology would work. At least, not in the intended fashion. Unlike regular biology, Ectobiology goes beyond the mere genetics. look at Doc Scratch: Made from Lil Cal, he clearly maintained some of the personality traits of the Souls that resided within Lil Cal. Ectobiology gets the whole essence. If Rose and Kanaya used Ectobiology to make a child, I'm pretty sure the result would be an actual fusion of Rose and Kanaya, personalities, memories and all, not just mere progeny as a child is meant to be.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 30, 2016 6:10:50 GMT
I wouldn't have a problem with that specifically because of ectobiology. That seems like the easy answer to that one. I don't think that Ecto-biology would work. At least, not in the intended fashion. Unlike regular biology, Ectobiology goes beyond the mere genetics. look at Doc Scratch: Made from Lil Cal, he clearly maintained some of the personality traits of the Souls that resided within Lil Cal. Ectobiology gets the whole essence. If Rose and Kanaya used Ectobiology to make a child, I'm pretty sure the result would be an actual fusion of Rose and Kanaya, personalities, memories and all, not just mere progeny as a child is meant to be. Like Rose and Dave are fusions of Roxy and Dirk, or Jade and John are fusions of Jake and Jane?
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 30, 2016 6:18:03 GMT
Like Rose and Dave are fusions of Roxy and Dirk, or Jade and John are fusions of Jake and Jane? Given that that was a specialised player-making machine, it probably performed mundane DNA recombination to make the B1 generation. The technology obviously exists as the Veil is filled with non-ectobiological cloning equipment for the Carapacian war.
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Post by legendary on Jun 30, 2016 6:24:19 GMT
I'd say that the Lil Cal thing is likely because Caliborn's soul is just that way. You can create more of it, but you can't ever get rid of any. Cloning Lil Cal leaves the original vessel for hideous soul-based shenanigans, and also gives the duplicate the same capacity.
Note additional evidence against ecto-cloning carrying memories is that Tavros could commune with Bec to shoot Grandpa - if Bec retained Halley's memories, it seems unlikely that he would be willing to do that because he's so loyal, and Tavros's powers seem to be more Suggest than Command.
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 30, 2016 6:49:00 GMT
I'd say that the Lil Cal thing is likely because Caliborn's soul is just that way. You can create more of it, but you can't ever get rid of any. Cloning Lil Cal leaves the original vessel for hideous soul-based shenanigans, and also gives the duplicate the same capacity. Note additional evidence against ecto-cloning carrying memories is that Tavros could commune with Bec to shoot Grandpa - if Bec retained Halley's memories, it seems unlikely that he would be willing to do that because he's so loyal, and Tavros's powers seem to be more Suggest than Command. Why would Caliborn's soul have that special quality? In any case, the mere fact that his soul was captured through an Ecto-screenshot still proves that Ecto-essences contain more than the mere physical specifications of an object. Also I don't see any strong evidence that Tavros' power has such a limit. We've never seen any animal refuse his command and it's more likely to me that the animals never do anything weird or dangerous for the simple reason that Tavros isn't a dick. After all, the Condesce, very much a dick, managed to use her Nitram Power in all sorts of extreme and immoral ways.
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Post by The One Guy on Jun 30, 2016 13:30:41 GMT
From here: GA: Though It Should Be Clear That Repopulation Is Among Our Duties As Well In The Long Term GA: And Ive Gathered That The Cloning Apparatus In The Veil Is Probably Meant To Permit An Initial Boost On The World We Select For Settlement GA: But Beyond That It Is Up To The Descendants To Perpetuate The Race That seems to imply that ectobiology would indeed work for reproduction of that sort.
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Post by legendary on Jun 30, 2016 16:31:43 GMT
I'd say that the Lil Cal thing is likely because Caliborn's soul is just that way. You can create more of it, but you can't ever get rid of any. Cloning Lil Cal leaves the original vessel for hideous soul-based shenanigans, and also gives the duplicate the same capacity. Note additional evidence against ecto-cloning carrying memories is that Tavros could commune with Bec to shoot Grandpa - if Bec retained Halley's memories, it seems unlikely that he would be willing to do that because he's so loyal, and Tavros's powers seem to be more Suggest than Command. Why would Caliborn's soul have that special quality? In any case, the mere fact that his soul was captured through an Ecto-screenshot still proves that Ecto-essences contain more than the mere physical specifications of an object. Also I don't see any strong evidence that Tavros' power has such a limit. We've never seen any animal refuse his command and it's more likely to me that the animals never do anything weird or dangerous for the simple reason that Tavros isn't a dick. After all, the Condesce, very much a dick, managed to use her Nitram Power in all sorts of extreme and immoral ways. Tavros says explicitly to Jade that his Communing is based around Suggesting. The Condesce uses her Bronze powers either to control animals that have no reason to not be hostile, or in conjunction with other powers that explicitly remove free will. As for why Caliborn's soul is special, I don't know, but he says in the Masterpiece that it's more tough than other souls and that Dirk couldn't destroy it.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 30, 2016 17:08:55 GMT
Like Rose and Dave are fusions of Roxy and Dirk, or Jade and John are fusions of Jake and Jane? Given that that was a specialised player-making machine, it probably performed mundane DNA recombination to make the B1 generation. So Kanaya and Rose could just get something like that. Either via John, appearifiers, or just reverse engineering. *shrug* From here: GA: Though It Should Be Clear That Repopulation Is Among Our Duties As Well In The Long Term GA: And Ive Gathered That The Cloning Apparatus In The Veil Is Probably Meant To Permit An Initial Boost On The World We Select For Settlement GA: But Beyond That It Is Up To The Descendants To Perpetuate The Race That seems to imply that ectobiology would indeed work for reproduction of that sort. Also what this one guy said.
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Post by melonlord on Jun 30, 2016 17:22:56 GMT
Why would Caliborn's soul have that special quality? In any case, the mere fact that his soul was captured through an Ecto-screenshot still proves that Ecto-essences contain more than the mere physical specifications of an object. Also I don't see any strong evidence that Tavros' power has such a limit. We've never seen any animal refuse his command and it's more likely to me that the animals never do anything weird or dangerous for the simple reason that Tavros isn't a dick. After all, the Condesce, very much a dick, managed to use her Nitram Power in all sorts of extreme and immoral ways. Tavros says explicitly to Jade that his Communing is based around Suggesting. The Condesce uses her Bronze powers either to control animals that have no reason to not be hostile, or in conjunction with other powers that explicitly remove free will. As for why Caliborn's soul is special, I don't know, but he says in the Masterpiece that it's more tough than other souls and that Dirk couldn't destroy it. Wait, how did Tavros use his powers to control the underlings of his land, then? They definitely had reason to be hostile.
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Post by legendary on Jun 30, 2016 17:25:41 GMT
Tavros says explicitly to Jade that his Communing is based around Suggesting. The Condesce uses her Bronze powers either to control animals that have no reason to not be hostile, or in conjunction with other powers that explicitly remove free will. As for why Caliborn's soul is special, I don't know, but he says in the Masterpiece that it's more tough than other souls and that Dirk couldn't destroy it. Wait, how did Tavros use his powers to control the underlings of his land, then? They definitely had reason to be hostile. They don't really seem to be THAT hostile. Initially so, but not especially committed to it. We see John and Jade hanging out with Imps on the Battleship, for example, and in the walkarounds they don't so much attack John as they do hang around and sometimes get in his way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 6:28:04 GMT
any epilogue with no mention of spades slick in it, or b1 jack as (not so) close second
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Post by GreatKaiserNui on Jul 4, 2016 23:17:16 GMT
this, but with Lord English, no context or explanation at all.
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