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Post by butternutpumpkin on Dec 10, 2016 7:31:26 GMT
Yeah I have to agree that Nightfall is my favourite homestuck fanfic. BTSDLB was pretty great too, although I didn't like what they did to Karkat in that one; I doubt he would have been a huge dipshit if he was a highblood.
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Post by LetsTussleBoiz on Dec 10, 2016 20:44:25 GMT
Going on that, Butternut, who do you think is the MOST out of character in Nightfall? Not like "Oh John is way better in Nightfall than in Homestuck cuz he has personality", but more on the lines of "Wow Karkat is a total bitch that sucks" etc.
Basically, is there any character you feel is being unfairly unrepresented? (It's okay if you want to say Roxy) say Roxy
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Post by JxV16 on Dec 10, 2016 22:56:51 GMT
Going on that, Butternut, who do you think is the MOST out of character in Nightfall? Not like "Oh John is way better in Nightfall than in Homestuck cuz he has personality", but more on the lines of "Wow Karkat is a total bitch that sucks" etc. Basically, is there any character you feel is being unfairly unrepresented? (It's okay if you want to say Roxy) say RoxyI'm sorry to ask you this but ... do you have this picture?
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Post by LetsTussleBoiz on Dec 11, 2016 4:14:56 GMT
Going on that, Butternut, who do you think is the MOST out of character in Nightfall? Not like "Oh John is way better in Nightfall than in Homestuck cuz he has personality", but more on the lines of "Wow Karkat is a total bitch that sucks" etc. Basically, is there any character you feel is being unfairly unrepresented? (It's okay if you want to say Roxy) say RoxyI'm sorry to ask you this but ... do you have this picture? You already asked and I did not respond, and neither did Neon. Posting the same thing twice isn't gonna make me more likely to have it.
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Post by godlessauspistice on Dec 11, 2016 4:58:41 GMT
Going on that, Butternut, who do you think is the MOST out of character in Nightfall? Not like "Oh John is way better in Nightfall than in Homestuck cuz he has personality", but more on the lines of "Wow Karkat is a total bitch that sucks" etc. Basically, is there any character you feel is being unfairly unrepresented? (It's okay if you want to say Roxy) say RoxyRoxy because she is the only Alpha Kid I really like. Also, most of the characters have their out of character moments, but Neon has improved their personalities with serious character development that involves dialogues and actions. To be honest, Dave and Karkat are the most in character characters in Nightfall. Both Dave and Karkat are annoying but fun to read.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Dec 12, 2016 10:50:53 GMT
That's actually quite funny because I thought that Dave was the most out of character in Nightfall since he seemed really angsty. I haven't re-read the project though so I can't remember if this issue was solved? I do remember it being pointed out by someone in the comic though so I've forgotten if it was intended. However I actually think that all of the characters have been written quite well and in character, which I think is really great since I think legit the only characters I would be able to write with ease is Jade and maybe Terezi.
And as for underrepresented.... I think I would have to say Karkat mainly because there seemed to have been another really interesting plot going on with him that kind of got dropped...? Also the alpha kids have also been really underrepresented but I do understand the reason behind this. I'm not a fan of them ether. Roxy is a pretty good character and so is Dirk but I just can't stand Jake and Jane.
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Post by supercool993 on Dec 12, 2016 18:36:13 GMT
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that Dave was acting more grouchy (or irritable I can't remember) than usual and I'm pretty sure that the same was said about Vriska, also remember when Hades was teleporting around spying on everyone and Dave was still awake despite it being rather late at night, kind've like Vriska, do you guys think Dave is also having Sylja induced nightmares?
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Post by foodman on Dec 14, 2016 0:46:13 GMT
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that Dave was acting more grouchy (or irritable I can't remember) than usual and I'm pretty sure that the same was said about Vriska, also remember when Hades was teleporting around spying on everyone and Dave was still awake despite it being rather late at night, kind've like Vriska, do you guys think Dave is also having Sylja induced nightmares? You win, you have solved nightfall have a free interwebs with a side of cookie.
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Post by Hamcannon on Dec 19, 2016 22:05:50 GMT
Hopefully Neon doesn't mind that I'm stealing her artstyle to learn how to draw myself
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Post by LetsTussleBoiz on Dec 25, 2016 7:07:01 GMT
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Post by Supercool993 on Dec 25, 2016 7:09:47 GMT
Happy holidays everyone
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Post by griever1337 on Dec 25, 2016 14:55:22 GMT
merry christmas, guys! hope y'all are doing well with the projects you're doing! no christmas gifts to you guys so have jade kicking rose in the head instead does this count as shilling? eh whatever just have a merry christmas
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Post by LetsTussleBoiz on Dec 28, 2016 8:13:00 GMT
No updates for Nightfall, just wanted to post some snark about Homestuck
"in the final battle, John distracts Lord English by retconning three years of character development" - Some Tumblr thing I can't find the source for
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Post by slangens on Dec 28, 2016 11:26:00 GMT
Maybe all the retcon bullshit we had to put up with was due to John not having any idea about character development? Imagine if vriska (or *shudder* ROSE) had done the retcon--we'd have tons of heroic, overly dramatic battles and romantic scenes (or faaar too much dialogue)
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Post by Jorb on Dec 29, 2016 1:49:43 GMT
No updates for Nightfall, just wanted to post some snark about Homestuck "in the final battle, John distracts Lord English by retconning three years of character development" - Some Tumblr thing I can't find the source for Here's the source, apparently it was generated by a bot. They're getting too smart.
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Post by godlessauspistice on Dec 29, 2016 19:55:50 GMT
That fanart of Alphys is so cute, uncertainHavoc! Also, can we sent Jojo! Rose to fix the problems Hussie caused?
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Post by JxV16 on Dec 31, 2016 18:35:00 GMT
No updates for Nightfall, just wanted to post some snark about Homestuck "in the final battle, John distracts Lord English by retconning three years of character development" - Some Tumblr thing I can't find the source for I'm so confused now...
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Post by kankri on Jan 1, 2017 5:06:49 GMT
No updates for Nightfall, just wanted to post some snark about Homestuck "in the final battle, John distracts Lord English by retconning three years of character development" - Some Tumblr thing I can't find the source for I'm so confused now... It's 2016 2017 now, so artificial intelligence makes huge progress About Homestuck's downfall: I have a huge suspicion about Act 6. Hussie is+was bored. I mean, look at Act 7. Watch its drama, showdown, speed. Then look at... no, not Cascade. Look at "Enter" - EOA3. And watch its drama, showdown and speed. Then look at EOA1, at its loop/slow animations, at its lack of events - and you'll realise Hussie has managed to create a large Return To The Roots. Act 6 Act 6 Act 6 Act 1. I've heard the beta version of Collide track... come on. You have 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse (LE, Condense, Jacks) + the entire Felt, and you replace an epic and hard battle with a comedy fight? If you truly want a non-battle showdown, why do you start a fight? Cascade did not have any real fights, and it was faaar more interesting. And... every good human/troll survives... is it Homestuck? Please, GAME OVER, i need you.
Did Hussie know in 2012 that Act 6 would emerge to a huge meaningless monster with THIS retcon and THIS ending? Could Hussie-that-had-just-created Black, Enter, Descend, Cascade create the ultimately dumb 25 minutes of video? I don't think so, 25 minutes is way too much work for wasting. But doubling all characters... and Hiveswap... and no normal planning... and TOG... and dad... and pauses... what's Homestuck? Surely, he likes Caliborn and have continued the entire comic for him, and then he remembered his one true waifu, but the rest of the characters are not so nessesary. Davepeta? You're got dunked on. Sauron Jack? Does nothing. Terezi? Takes cool pics of her friends' extermination. Good texty Vriska? She'll suddenly kill everyone and vanish forever. Roxy? Dating Calliope. Calliope? Dating Roxy. Rose? Gay. Kanaya? Gay. Jake? Gay. Dirk? Gay. Dave? Gay. Karkat? Gay. Someone not gay? Hell no. About Nightfall's real stuck: And this is awful. If you don't see the clear path for continuation - Nightfall can become as horrible as described. Maybe Nightfall 2.0 is a better idea. But is Nightfall 2.0 an idea that can grab as much your love as 1.0 grabbed for years? Questions and questions. Now you can just create both branches until the final execution decision is done. About Nightfall: This is the only normal continuation of Homestuck I've found. I saw two more for a bit - Act 8 and alternative past-GAME OVER retcon - and they were strange. Now I remember only Act 8 - it starts with some silent girl the reader has to learn (MORE characters to Homestuck, the current ones are so healthy!) (compare with the alt-retcon start) and ends with suddenly mind-controlled Vriska assasinating Karkat... oh. I'd better wait for some years for the next Nightfall update. Nightfall, in comparison, was the only fancomic with not-Felt Homestuck characters on its cover I've seen, and I looked for another for an hour... found boring one with humanized trolls... and then the one with evil Nepeta... oh my god. It has a normal start. It is not mad.
When not comparing to other fancomics, it has something that could be interesting. Not as much as acts 1-5 of Homestuck, but Vriska is my favorite character Vriska, John, Rose, Jade, all Daves, from some moment - Liz are all the characters I'm interested in here. The agents are too much talky/less actiony for me, but from the moment of their parting they are truly interesting for me too. Cristyle is too unstopped now.
Yes, it is a webcomic worth to follow and read and wait. (For the case if Neon is still unsure about it.) More words! Words on Nightfall? Ehm... 1) character development. I don't think Liz is the self-insertion - Vriska is the first candidate for it. Like Homestuck's ending is about 100% gay pairings and LE-not-downfall, Nightfall is about JohnVris and shinobi. And this Vriska is suspiciously nice. How? Really, even good!Vriska still mocked poor Tavros. Yeah, I know about lovey-dovey, but it does not change a human completely and forever. Sociopathy, power, John's fears of Vriska (Ring of Life) are completely missing. With a connection between certain Homestuck's plot point (not nessesarily Act 7/Credits) and Nightfall. And the second Vriska is missing. Liz - currently, well done. She has a long way ahead to become actually helpful for others (demigods). And currently we know her better than Meenah. Jade - she's Jade, and she takes place in this plot, already nice Dave - Davesprite is a bit missing, he was really more active in Homestuck. Other Daves are good... but a limitation of time powers to certain things still needs explanation. John - he can retcon everything, even LE. He's a god more powerful than Nero. Jake, Jane - as poor as in original. Are they forever cursed to be like that? If Cristyle's killing spree continues, they're very good candidates for it. The girl who threw Hades to the moon and broke Liz's window - Caliborn/LE - missing. The vision created by Nero, sadly, was just a vision. Calliope - missing. Hades - interesting. I wish to see him continuing acting on a separate side, it would be unpredictable and funny. But he's still got less development than Liz. What about his relations with different habitants of Shinobia and Nero's palace? Why is he so good while his father and sister are more evil, I mean, he loves Nero and it would be naturally for him to become someone like Nero? What does he can, what is this dark energy? And so on. Cristyle - she's not as threaty as Bec Noir, she is not as beloved by creator as Caliborn, she's not as godlike as LE, development awaiting. Sylja - plz tell us more about her she's the princess she's beatiful she's kind she waked up Vriska, Liz and Rose she has some mind powers why is she so unknown? Terlock - the most active&interesting shinobi. Meenah - isn't she flying home immediately at all costs to beat Cristyle? Meenah? You ok? She killed you, and you know everyone thinks you're dead. And she kills. And she's a shapeshifter. And she's probably the new empress. And you're here. 2) Homestuck problems Thanks to Hussie, there are a bunch of disasters. What moment of Homestuck Neon would want to alternate to separate Nightfall timeline? I don't believe 100% gay ending with LE undefeated and Terezi taking pics of Nepeta's suffer will be accepted. The problems: - 24 trolls, 8 humans, carapacians, sprites, cherubs, shinobis. And everyone is important/was important but (if lucky) is only playing a cameo now. Yeah, returning to character development theme. And every cut can be painful =(
- Homestuck-Nightfall connection. I mentioned Vriska and the cherubs earlier, but there are also uberJohn, Dave, uberJake, Cerenity, sprites, WV, carapacians, the Felt.
- Rings of Life and Void, why are they so strongly connected? They are very imporant to the plot.
- The far future of Earth, why is it so bad?
- Pairings.
- The jujus - the Candy of Power, the House. The Candy is too unused in the comic (during a mortal combat, trickster mode raises survival chance), the House is too unknown, both are forgotten at Nightfall.
... too sleepy to continue... Hope knowledge can+will help Neon. But don't know what will happen.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Jan 2, 2017 7:19:01 GMT
Happy New Year everyone! May this year be better for you all. @ kankri: I'm pretty sure nightfall was created really early, like after Cascade/beginning of act 6. That's why there's a lot of inconsistencies, especially when it comes to Vriska's character and the post-retcon timeline. Nightfall was originally following pre-retcon Vriska until Hussie decided to retcon everything including years worth of character development. And I actually think that Neon did a really good job with handling Vriska, more than Hussie himself since I think Vriska's arc went downhill after act 5. Neon made Vriska actually have character development that stuck, while Hussie made Vriska go on an endless cycle and kept redoing any character development she got to the point that everything she said to John was meaningless. And I'm a bit confused about what you mean with Vriska being nice in Nightfall, because she's far from nice. In the first half of the story she was rude to everyone and had arguments with John, and also drew in Rose's book without her permission. She also never got along with Liz or Rose at all and it took a lot of of time for her to not be as mean to them.
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Post by kankri on Jan 2, 2017 10:37:36 GMT
In Homestuck, Vriska killed Tavros and Aradia, blinded Terezi, created Bec Noir. In Nightfall, she did nothing like that. I wonder why. Even death did not destruct her love for power and superpowerful actions. Neon removed this (where are tons of dead shinobi guards and the ultimate battle between glorious Spider Goddess and the one who told shinobi to burn out humanity?). I suppose this is because she's not Hussie and doesn't love supermegauberCollide battles so much as he. Combined with social problems, her power is scary. In NF, she neither scared me, nor John. The one true sign of: she if different. (And I forgot NF for a bit, waiting for retcon to reread.) I know NF is started several years ago, but since Homestuck ended, tying them together is an important work. And when all pairings became homosexual, I'm outraged. ... Really. Hussie. I know you love boys now, but even at Kirkwall there were some relations between men and women. Do you know women have breasts? And these are not only for milk. Don't you find them beautiful? Do you know women can grow babies? Yes, these little continuations of your so short life. Do you know they're destined for it by biology - estrogen, mothership instincts? And men do not have those. Do you know that heterosexual relationships were established since the first multicell organisms appeared? So please, imaginary Hussie, tell me, why did you make all pairings homosexual. Did I miss the moment feminists crushed biology?
Or there is another theory that manages to explain this is not bullshit too?
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Post by bellicosePhodopus on Jan 2, 2017 15:12:16 GMT
alt-reich kankri, why is that so in character.
nightfall can be pretty cringey but its such pure fandom, i love it. was one of the first fan adventures i read after finishing homestuck (like a few months ago) and it made the vriska apologist in me very warm and fuzzy.
i hope neon and whoever continue it
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Post by LetsTussleBoiz on Jan 2, 2017 17:41:00 GMT
alt-reich kankri, why is that so in character. nightfall can be pretty cringey but its such pure fandom, i love it. was one of the first fan adventures i read after finishing homestuck (like a few months ago) and it made the vriska apologist in me very warm and fuzzy. i hope neon and whoever continue it
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Post by Jorb on Jan 2, 2017 19:36:06 GMT
I guess you could say they were... uncertain about your identity
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Post by bellicosePhodopus on Jan 2, 2017 22:06:31 GMT
haha sorry havoc. yall should update the mspfa page, i dont think it credits you
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Post by godlessauspistice on Jan 3, 2017 7:55:28 GMT
Kankri, I was going to agree with most of what you said about Homestuck and Nightfall, until you started using arguments that are so wrong. The gay singularity of Hussie is wrong because the ships don't have development, not because homosexuality is wrong. Recently, Hussie was at Shelby Cragg and Amber Roger's wedding and was kind of the minister? He was using a UFO book instead of a Bible.
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