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Post by Blaperile on Mar 30, 2016 15:59:33 GMT
Discuss the most recent update here! This thread serves as the temporary replacement for the normal Comic Discussion thread on the mspaforums. Same rules apply!
Thread name history (because apparently the posts themselves don't show the thread names here): 1) Post 1 to 18: Condesce is Betty Crocker?! 2) Post 19 to 62: Goodbye, Jade 3) Post 63 to 69: They Yelled About Lord English Too Much, Now They're Doomed 4) Post 70 to 90: Pose as a Team, Cause Shit's About To Get Real 5) Post 91 onwards: Pose/Post as a Team, Cause Shit's About To Get Real
My reactions to the two previous updates can be found here (first part of the Spades Slick update), here (a later thought about the Spades Slick update), here (second part of the Spades Slick update), and here (Derse and Dreambubbles update). I'm really satisfied with the two updates we've already received. The art style looks gorgeous, and the level of detail in both the art and the narration/dialog is making it so clear how close we're getting to the finale, it's getting me very excited. How much are you guys liking these updates?
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Post by mementovivere on Mar 30, 2016 16:19:50 GMT
Wooooo! I'm going to be lazy and just paste my reactions from the skype chat.
-It’s really cute how Rose is let down by John NOT having a mental breakdown over the Condesce being Betty Crocker
-Roxy’s whole thing about the sword being a symbol “of all the people who didn’t make it as far as we did” seems like it will probably be important later, especially since Void (and Light???) seem to deal a lot in symbols and ideas making up reality (as seen in Drunk Rose’s whole monologue about apples and complex ideas and how “symbols hold all the power”).
-DAD!!! Seems like the battle against the Condesce is happening right in front of his window, which could be good OR bad depending on if he gets caught up in it
-We now have confirmation that the post-retcon Karkat didn’t experience the same things as pre-retcon Karkat on the meteor (in terms of Meenah talking to him during Openbound) so presumably that’s true of all the other post-retcon folks
-Karkat’s tone feels off for some reason… more sedated? Maybe that’s from being more excited than angry, and/or spending too much time around Dave
-Karkat seems to think Echidna actually wanted him to be present for the Lord English fight in the dream bubbles, which may be true—at least he’s a dream projection, so maybe he can’t be hurt. Hopefully LE’s rainbow lasers don’t have the ability to kill him anyway or something. Either way, Karkat finally gets to fight on the front lines of the empress’s armies like he always wanted, yaaaaay! But the fact that he keeps explicitly talking about “fulfilling his destiny as a warrior” makes me think that things won’t go as expected.
-Karkat hopes Dave is okay, d’aww. Still no explicit confirmation as to what their relationship is, but he cares about him at least.
-With the last page being a close-up of the green sun while mentioning Dave explicitly, I’m guessing the next page will either be a visual transition to Calliope and Jade, or else a contextual transition to Dave and Dirk
-Considering how explicitly build-up-y all of these pages are, it seems like most of the REAL action will be taking place in the EOA6 flash, and I guess Act 666 will be in the flash as well???
As for the updates, I'm liking them! It admittedly feels a little bit weird... I'm not sure if that's due to being back after such a long hiatus, due to the guest art, due to the fact that we are CLEARLY gearing up for the end, or a combination of all three. I'm very excited to see what happens next though!
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Post by soupfish on Mar 30, 2016 16:42:17 GMT
Still hoping for a Dave/Kat Morailship. Also I do wonder what is going on with the Karkat and Meenah relationship, I would guess nothing romantic, in any case she seems very occupied with her army at the moment.
It really has not yet been established what Ghosts can do against anyone, much less Lord English. I do suspect that they are all going to get annihilated while serving only to distract him for a very brief period of time, as I dont think they have any way of hurting him. All power they have is loaned to them by the Horrorterrors, who themselves cant fight Lord English. Karkat's presence as a dream projection who will probably only return to his wakeing self when everyone else gets blasted reinforces this. This of course does raise the question of what will happen to Meenah and alt Vriska, I suspect they may not be long for this world.
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Post by Blaperile on Mar 30, 2016 16:57:58 GMT
-Roxy’s whole thing about the sword being a symbol “of all the people who didn’t make it as far as we did” seems like it will probably be important later, especially since Void (and Light???) seem to deal a lot in symbols and ideas making up reality (as seen in Drunk Rose’s whole monologue about apples and complex ideas and how “symbols hold all the power”). I think you might be onto something. When I first read the update I just thought it was heartwarming and didn't think anything more of it, but you might be right that it can be important. -DAD!!! Seems like the battle against the Condesce is happening right in front of his window, which could be good OR bad depending on if he gets caught up in it Yeah, indeed. I'm personally not too worried about any blow striking him, but I'm more worried about him witnessing something bad happening to Jane and then him deciding to burst out of the jail cell into the battle, resulting in him getting killed almost immediately. -With the last page being a close-up of the green sun while mentioning Dave explicitly, I’m guessing the next page will either be a visual transition to Calliope and Jade, or else a contextual transition to Dave and Dirk Yep, seems the most likely possibility to me as well. -Considering how explicitly build-up-y all of these pages are, it seems like most of the REAL action will be taking place in the EOA6 flash, and I guess Act 666 will be in the flash as well??? It's shaping up to be one HELL of an End of Act! |
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Post by Emily on Mar 30, 2016 17:14:45 GMT
I might be a negative nancy but there is one thing that I like about the previous update and that is Meenah and Karkat being together. Their actual conversation was a bit lack luster and I don't actually care about their relationship, but it gives me hope that the relationships established earlier in the comic won't go to waste for the newer ones.
Mako brought this up in the skype chat but I want to elaborate on the theory: Karkat meeting dead Karkat and them fighting. I actually like this for the juxtaposition of the two widely different offshoots of one character plus the long forgotten sub plot of Karkat having a hate boner for himself. I think that would be an actually interesting way to use the retcon and would make the fans of the pre-retcon timeline(me) happy because the versions of the previous timeline aren't going to be forgotten so easily. (Vriska) is still one of the best things about the comic post game over, so if we can get more GO characters that would be awesome.
The downside to this however, is the over saturation of alternate selves, and by extention TOO MANY CHARACTERS! Honestly, I'm one of the few people that think that having a robust cast can work well, but it can also go wrong, and it's already a popular complaint.
Also why does no one but me find it amazing that Dad is literally Condy's grandson?? I find that amusing as all heck.
Anyway that's all I have to say, I got most of my feels out in the chat. Here's to hoping for Jade/Adrienne's art today.
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Post by mementovivere on Mar 30, 2016 18:25:56 GMT
Mako brought this up in the skype chat but I want to elaborate on the theory: Karkat meeting dead Karkat and them fighting. I actually like this for the juxtaposition of the two widely different offshoots of one character plus the long forgotten sub plot of Karkat having a hate boner for himself. I think that would be an actually interesting way to use the retcon and would make the fans of the pre-retcon timeline(me) happy because the versions of the previous timeline aren't going to be forgotten so easily. (Vriska) is still one of the best things about the comic post game over, so if we can get more GO characters that would be awesome. Ooooooh, that's a possibility I hadn't considered! If ANY other character is going to have a conflict with an alternate self, it's bound to be Karkat... he has a long-established precedent of getting into verbal fights with his past and future selves, so having that culminate with a LITERAL fight would be pretty interesting, especially considering those two Karkats have had such different experiences. On the other hand, a lot of Karkat's conflict with his selves has been due to the differences in experience between his past/future selves... so maybe the fact that Karkat and GameOver!Karat come from roughly the same timeframe, but have had three years of different experiences, will ironically result in two Karkats who can kinda get along due to not literally being the same person at different points in a single timeline. Which would then allow for some symbolism about Karkat getting over his self-loathing and whatnot. If nothing else, I really do want to see more of the Game Over characters. We just spent so long with them and their experiences that I feel like there's no way they are just going to fade into the shadows, and the focus on them in |S| Remem8er just reinforces that notion. We'll just have to see whether that means the ghosts playing a part in the story, or some kind of memory merge will happen, or something else entirely. EDIT: Apparently doing the usual brackets around S for flashes makes a strikethrough on this forum software... something to look out for. |S| seems to work fine. |
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Post by Fish on Mar 30, 2016 18:32:44 GMT
I'm here
I think Karkat might have developed enough to not sincerely hate himself but maybe that's too hopeful
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Post by ashdenej on Mar 30, 2016 19:28:22 GMT
Well, the timing of the forums going down is... not the best. Ah, well; at least there's a replacement for those who know to find it. Hopefully it'll be up sooner or (probably) later!
Comdiswise: I'm just happy to see that Dad's still alive and well, for now. Something about him seems to transcend universes - it feels like he'd know his children / parents anywhere, no matter which iteration of him should happen to see them.
Did we ever get an explanation for why he didn't break out of prison this time around?
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Post by kmsumrall on Mar 30, 2016 19:33:50 GMT
Well, the timing of the forums going down is... not the best. Ah, well; at least there's a replacement for those who know to find it. Hopefully it'll be up sooner or (probably) later! Comdiswise: I'm just happy to see that Dad's still alive and well, for now. Something about him seems to transcend universes - it feels like he'd know his children / parents anywhere, no matter which iteration of him should happen to see them. Did we ever get an explanation for why he didn't break out of prison this time around? Strong motherly prison bars, I assume |
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Post by Blaperile on Mar 30, 2016 20:03:55 GMT
Mako brought this up in the skype chat but I want to elaborate on the theory: Karkat meeting dead Karkat and them fighting. I actually like this for the juxtaposition of the two widely different offshoots of one character plus the long forgotten sub plot of Karkat having a hate boner for himself. I think that would be an actually interesting way to use the retcon and would make the fans of the pre-retcon timeline(me) happy because the versions of the previous timeline aren't going to be forgotten so easily. (Vriska) is still one of the best things about the comic post game over, so if we can get more GO characters that would be awesome. Yeah, pre-retcon and post-retcon Karkat meeting would be amazing. Karkat has had so many arguments with himself through chat, it would be great to have that culminate in one final face-to-face argument between two of his selves. Well, the timing of the forums going down is... not the best. Ah, well; at least there's a replacement for those who know to find it. Hopefully it'll be up sooner or (probably) later! It's indeed pretty unfortunate that the forums went down NOW. We had 8 months of Omegapause in which the forums going down wouldn't have been THAT bad, but oh well. Great to have you here with us, in any case! Did we ever get an explanation for why he didn't break out of prison this time around? his cell has a maximum security so that he can't escape. |
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Post by plainWonder on Mar 30, 2016 20:08:01 GMT
Awesome initiative, bro! Who knows how long the official forums may stay down, unfortunately. --- Is Slick going to meet Terezi before the EOA6? And what does he now still think of the girl that exiled him, after all these years? But, I don't think we'll see Terezi again just yet, after her Mindsplosion. Also, the transition with the Green Sun might be by way of Jade's silhouette framing the Green Sun? I've seen people point out that the silhouette in the background of the army could be Aradia. I'd rather thought it would be Vriska riding Tavros, then again, it does seem to show wings. What, has Terezi knocked herself out and is dreaming now? It would rock if she'd join Karkat in dreamland, hahah. Also why does no one but me find it amazing that Dad is literally Condy's grandson?? I find that amusing as all heck. And yet he's like: go on daughter, beat up my nanna, claim the inheritance. Daddy wants a new pair of shoes! |
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Post by Holly on Mar 30, 2016 20:29:28 GMT
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Post by raistuumum on Mar 30, 2016 20:44:18 GMT
You did good, Davepeta. You did good.
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Post by candor on Mar 30, 2016 20:45:12 GMT
I suddenly understand jack everything.
Yeah, I think the big news is that all the altselves DO matter!
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Post by Holly on Mar 30, 2016 20:48:21 GMT
oh my goodness that green sun in the first panel looks amazing yay jade! Grim Calliope is so strange. "CALLIOPE: yes, they are the best powers." - hehe this makes me smile though. oooh is she gonna destroy the green sun??? "CALLIOPE: perhaps you should try to have, CALLIOPE: "fun."" - hahaha she's a riot Hoooly shit Davepeta omgg her ex is now half cat girl. This Drama. oh wow I totally forgot it was the wrong Jade. noo jaaade this is sad.  also sure hope kanaya wont get closer to her aspect.... Ultimate self HMMMMM MMMMMMMMM *AUDIABLE GASP* THEY KISS Yesterday I submitted written proof of not liking JadexDave and here I am. Having Feels. Being Excited. Well, asking first would have been nicer... But Jade did get emotional over not having a change with Davesprite? maybe. OH My god davepeta you sly .... UM JESUS this is such an emotional rollercoaster!! Heh kind missing the small gifs andrew makes. would have gone very well with those last panels, poofing and waking up. |
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Post by kmsumrall on Mar 30, 2016 20:52:17 GMT
That was pretty excellent. We got good info about the mythos of the series, we got some great davepeta convo, we got to see Jade
And now we possibly have Jade getting MC'd again. But she does have a note so maybe that will indicate somethings she should do.
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Post by candor on Mar 30, 2016 21:02:09 GMT
Yeah, a return to grimbarkness is a concerning possibility at this point. Maybe she can lie low for a bit? At least she might lose the Green Sun overpoweredness shortly? That seems to be the implication of what Alt!Calliope is up to.
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Post by kmsumrall on Mar 30, 2016 21:12:43 GMT
Yeah, a return to grimbarkness is a concerning possibility at this point. Maybe she can lie low for a bit? At least she might lose the Green Sun overpoweredness shortly? That seems to be the implication of what Alt!Calliope is up to. Are we thinking Jade will have a small window of control before Condy takes over or AltCallie eats the sun? (Maybe vriska steals the light that was an old theory) Anyways, maybe she gets un-God tiered. Even without the sun, a Sprite powered space player is dangerous |
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Post by Blaperile on Mar 30, 2016 22:53:53 GMT
I haven't read the entire update yet due to lack of time, only managed to read the first 10 pages yet, but here's my reactions for the first part already. (apparently it's not possible to do a spoiler on these forums so I just decided to link instead of putting that massive wall of text in here) I gotta say, it's another wonderful update! Davepetasprite^2 showing up was a pleasant surprise, but I'm really digging the conversation they're having here. I just love Davepeta so much as a character. And to me it really seems like it's building up to some kind of epic memory merge. Also, plainWonder's reaction to these pages are here. |
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Post by partymember57 on Mar 30, 2016 23:02:52 GMT
I think Calliope is trying to aim for just shutting down the GS completely. Pretty smart move strategically speaking, but I don't think it will actually hurt any of the Green Sun users except make them unable to use it's powers for stuff like teleportation. Jade does have other powers besides that, so I think she'll be fine.
Also happy that JadeDave sort of got a comeback.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 23:46:52 GMT
solid update. stuff like davepeta sprite just bugs me because it's so weird and came completely out of nowhere not too long ago. i think the entire reason they exist is because hussie suddenly decided to make one of the big themes this whole all the selves becoming one self thing and he made up that sprites can just combine and when they do they become elder god sprites that somehow represent all forms of themselves. it's pretty dumb IMO. anyway update was pretty good although i think jade looks a bit stupid. also i like davejade but davepeta/jade is ech
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Post by partymember57 on Mar 30, 2016 23:56:09 GMT
i think the entire reason they exist is because hussie suddenly decided to make one of the big themes this whole all the selves becoming one self thing and he made up that sprites can just combine and when they do they become elder god sprites that somehow represent all forms of themselves. It's not like there's no precedent for Davepeta. Other people have been combined before. And the idea of multiple selves coming together is certainly not new in Homestuck either. |
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Post by soupfish on Mar 31, 2016 1:11:20 GMT
I am thinking that Davepeta waking Jade up does indicate that Alt Calliope is wrong about at least some of her assertions. Eventually I would imagine the Kids will become less human and more distant as they further master their aspects, but it may not happen as quickly as Alt Calliope seems to imply is necessary.
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Post by wheals on Mar 31, 2016 2:29:56 GMT
Someone on the IRC pointed out this page: www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007873, which states that cherubs can "feast on the resulting stellar energy" of a supernova. It's possible this is the reason Calliope wants to destroy the green sun; so that she can harvest enough power to stand up to Lord English. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 14:09:32 GMT
Eech, way to go (down), forums. I hope they'll be up in time for EoA6 AT LEAST. Like, we waited for that shit to transpire for, how long, 5 years? Damn.
Anyway, already wrote some thoughts on my tumblr, just gonna copypaste 'em here.
Also last minute crack theory - Lord English and L[rapidly swapping billiard balls]rd English are two different characters.
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also sure hope kanaya wont get closer to her aspect.... 
