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Post by The One Guy on Apr 7, 2016 1:43:41 GMT
Temporarily? I'm pretty sure it's intentionally a YouTube video because it's a lot easier to handle than an 18-minute Flash. Also, it's on the Homestuck Official Youtube Channel. It's likely Flash has been involved in its creation, sure; but now it's definitely a video. Wich I think is a lot better: at 1080p on full-screen mode it looks simply gorgeous. Also, it can be paused and/or slowed down. I really hope AH will use this Youtube channel to post high-res versions of all Homestuck animations. Er, how could it possibly be more high-res then the original video? In any case, the loading part and "play" house-arrow make it clear it's intended to be a flash.
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Post by psychoticbark on Apr 7, 2016 1:51:08 GMT
The controls on the intro screen look like the real Flash provides multiple points to start playing from like Cascade did. And like Cascade, that's probably implemented by chopping the thing into several sections, which is what he found he had to do last time in order for various Adobe tools to work.
You can play a *.swf at whatever size you like. A lot of the other Homestuck ones look really lovely when opened fullscreen. Flash doesn't scale worse than captured video pixels. It can scale better, whenever the art assets are detailed enough.
Less about form, more about content: the MSPA reader in me did want a greater number of narrative twists and turns, but we since got (a) some and (b) have a bunch more updates yet to come I will instead revel in such a fittingly spritey gametuneful boss battle capstone to this video game inspired story.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 7, 2016 1:54:09 GMT
The controls on the intro screen look like the real Flash provides multiple points to start playing from like Cascade did. And like Cascade, that's probably implemented by chopping the thing into several sections, which is what he found he had to do last time in order for various Adobe tools to work. You can play a *.swf at whatever size you like. A lot of the other Homestuck ones look really lovely when opened fullscreen. Flash doesn't scale worse than captured video pixels. It can scale better, whenever the art assets are detailed enough. Less about form, more about content: the MSPA reader in me did want a greater number of narrative twists and turns, but we since got (a) some and (b) have a bunch more updates yet to come I will instead revel in such a fittingly spritey gametuneful boss battle capstone to this video game inspired story. Yeah the video game fights were both awesome and super-nostalgic. Was anyone else reminded of Make her pay which also had sprite mode battles?
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Post by Gab on Apr 7, 2016 1:55:00 GMT
Get ready, this is gonna be a big one. Part SixSo, let's just get the general WOW factor out of the way up front.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Okay I think I'm good. I mean, talk about a satisfying climax. That was some of the funnest, catchiest music I've heard from Homestuck yet, plus seeing all the sprites go at it. The return of fraymotifs!! I know some people have been hoping for that. Really to see how they're used in this flash makes it seem like they were intended for god tiers all along.
Oh, also, I was right about my guess mostly, about it transitioning to Act 6 Act 6 Act 6 and having a big flash that settles the fight, while there's also more to come. Though I expected the 40 pages to be more lead-in to the finale proper, Act 7, rather than continuing to wrap things up. I've got a feeling these next 40 pages are going to be some of the most fascinating and emotional in the comic. And about 12 minutes of projected flash time left to spice up those moments, of which some amount of that is surely tied into Act 7 itself, which I still believe will be more of an epilogue-esque "THIS IS THE END" type thing than anything which involves itself in the resolution of plot. Ideally, because all that will have been taken care of already.
I don't know if all these updates will be out on midnight, but I don't think I'll be staying up to catch them. That was a one-time special occasion for the eoa6, since it's worth having as much time as possible to process THAT. But the remaining pages shouldn't be too much for me to handle. Although, I wouldn't mind if they ARE, per se....
And I think I'm done trying to guess where the update will go from here. At this point, I don't dare chance it. I'm just along for the ride as long as it'll have me.
So, what else is there to even say? That ending was pretty emotional, wasn't it? And we're learning some interesting things. Caliborn's powers almost certainly originate from the clock he seems to have gotten from Yaldabaoth (which btw did the glimpse of his face remind anyone else of demonhead mobster kingpin?), one that he almost certainly later entrusts to Doc Scratch. One which doubles as both a convenient shortcut to this session, as well as some kind of node which runs a computer code relevant to him. A clock that has also proved itself to be intrinsically linked to the revivification of other God Tiers, always flashing rainbow colors in a familiar fashion when it does. I have questions about this, and I hope and expect they will be answered.
While we're on the subject of Lord English... hmm. See... I guess I always kind of imagined he was more than what people made of him. And I think he is in some respects still! But... you know, I thought he'd maybe carry himself with more dignity than...
Look, what I'm trying to say is I didn't suspect his battle style would be like the spastic crossbreed of a pro wrestler and a trapeze artist.
It's actually pretty wonderful. And all this strife overall is just fantastic. It's so frenetic and fast paced I feel like I could watch for hours and hours and keep seeing new things and making connections I'd missed before. So, if it's cool with all y'all, I think that's exactly what I'm going to do. That's my raw reaction I wrote while working on my video reaction. Now to respond to people in the thread. Did it seem like Bec Noir was getting scared? I was have trouble telling if he was tired and just wanted to stop, even in death. I think he was probably starting to feel nervous. Jack could never deal with the sudden overwhelming feelings of love and loyalty that overcame him, especially once they took him over completely when he saw her die in EoA5. I guess they did for PM too when she saw her die in the Game Over reality, but when Jade was alive, well, and getting in the way of the revenge she'd sought after for so long, she found the inner strength to overcome Bec's instinctual feelings. I think this is when Jack, as well as the audience, realized she is stronger than him. At that point, it was already over. This thread is a Spoiler Zone already, so it doesn't matter. Yeah, I was pretty underwhelmed by the sprite fights. They were funny, and that's about it. Nothing particularly dramatic about them, although I suppose that's kind of the point in a way? One motif that Homestuck has always had is that the big flashy fights really aren't that meaningful at the end of the day. Still though, my reaction was just "Oh. Okay, cool I guess." The way I see it, the flash kind of brings to mind a lot of the feeling the comic had a long time ago, like the old strifes from Acts 1, 2, & 3. But upgrading them to be even crazier. So there's a lot of zany silliness, but you can also get emotionally invested behind it because it's The Final Battle. I think the tail end of the flash is what sealed the deal with that dramatic song. But even while watching Jake goof around with the Felt like a bunch of morons, I still thought it was as epic as it was ridiculous. I guess it's a perception thing. In the last few seconds of the flash, you can hear Typheus for some reason. I am unsure what this means. Oh yeah I forgot to mention this but I thought I heard this too. How curiously foreboding. Anybody else make note of the fact that Dave sliced through Dirk's previously unbreakable sword? This was something that occurred to me after the fact like a fridge moment thing. I haven't gone back to see if Dave actually broke it or not. I was hoping I wasn't the only one who thought of / noticed it. ...How? Lord English's true power was never in his physical strength, it was his ability to bend everything to his will. He was an intimidating force in Act 5 because he had Scratch and the Handmaiden to orchestrate his will, going so far as to twist the kids' victory into a benefit to himself. His power was that, with his servants, unwitting or no, to act as his pawns, he could twist everything to his needs, be everywhere he needed to be. He has none of this now; all his main vectors of influence are dead save Gamzee. Without that, he's just a muscley green dude with rainbow lasers floating out in the furthest ring. He's...an inconvenience, I guess. Someone's gonna have to get to the business of actually killing/trapping him at some point. But he currently poses no threat to the session or the kids that I can see. He's basically the underdog at this point, unless he's got some other form of influence in the session we don't know about. Which would go back to him needing servants to be truly fearsome. Lord English isn't a greater threat than his servants combined; his threat IS his servants combined. Well, first, his threat absolutely was his level of power. He has specifically been mentioned to be much more powerful than various other threatening forces, such as Bec Noir. He's completely invincible and has power that can break the fabric of reality if he wants. But there is a point to what you say, with a simple explanation: everything is still going as he wants it to. He has no need for the Condesce or his other pawns, so he has allowed them to meet their ends. This twist I think will still become clear shortly. After all, he does need their session to bear fruit, and he owes the kids a lot for what they did for him. -(complain) I don't know, is it bad that I feel a little disappointed? I mean, don't get me wrong, it was great. But there was SO MCUH BUILDUP with all these baddies. If the villains were supposed to be so strong, how come they all went down like chumps at once? Like, even Yaldabaoth, whos a freaking Denizen. Lord English I think is the only one who didn't get beat! I mean, everyone was using Fraymotifs like crazy, and those are apparently pretty powerful, but still, apparently the trolls just BARELY survived the battle with their black king, and all 12 of them had Fraymotifs they used a ton, and all these baddies are supposed to be wayyyy worse than that guy. Also I kind of thought they'd beat them in a more... I dunno... lets say clever? Yeah more clever way. Like, the fight was just, action, the protags getting the shit beat out of them and losing, and then all of the sudden, there's one hit kills on like three at once. Like the Noscope Gods are just handing out karma like cheap cigars and bypassing immortality armor like it's latex. Idk. Either something fishy's going on, or Hussie is just trying to wrap things up as quickly as he can. Probably the latter, which is unfortunate. (/complain) I probably shouldn't jump all over this one point since you're just voicing some of your many varied feelings, but it seems to me like you have to have a pretty specific image in your mind about how things are "supposed" to go to be disappointed by this fight scene. Either that, or you just haven't watched it enough yet. Maybe you should watch it some more. Maybe I should too. I think I will. Yeah, I feel like a big part of why this animation even existed was that Hussie knew that fans had built up unrealistic expectations about how spectacular the End of Act 6 animation would be with Cascade as a precedent, so he created a big long awesome fight scene to sate the hunger. But I feel like most of it wasn't very necessary. It was 90% fanservice. I disagree, this feels like something that's been built up to for a long time. I never really bought what people said about strife being a fruitless action or even that there really needed to be a ridiculously complex sequence of events just to resolve a whole lot of heroes and villains facing off. That said, this is clearly only PART of the finale, where all the lesser villains meet their ends, leaving only English and his machinations at center stage for the remainder of the climax. I guess it feels fanservicey in the way that Homestuck has ALWAYS been fanservicey, by very nature of its production. -PM beat the HELL out of Bec Noir. It's weird thinking that Jack has possessed that ring for nearly 6 years before finally losing it. What the hell is going to happen when PM puts a second ring on??? Prototype^2? I hope she doesn't go mad with power, PM was always such a great character... but chasing the same guy relentlessly for three years through an infinite abyss is bound to take a toll on the psyche. The ending did definitely make it seem like something slightly fishy is going on though... what was with the static? The curtain contraption turning black on a white background? Typheus noises??? Is it going to relate to John's choice somehow? His retcon abilities? I guess we'll just have to wait and see... but MAN am I eager to see what happens next. I think PM is going to be okay. She just needed to let out her emotions after finally defeating Jack. And yeah, a definite turn for the unsettling at the last moment of the flash. I think things are about to get really, really hairy. I don't think Altiope is going to do anything to the sun at all, Lord English will find her there and of course will set up a huge blast to kill her. The blast will push the Green Sun into the cracks "sinking" it. After all the waiting and hiding she did, it was all just to die at the right spot at the right time. It seems to me that Caliborn will "cheat" his immortality by hitting the clock with the crowbar. At this point I'd suggest that properly destroying will end its effects (Gives reason to Spades Slick destroying the clocks in the Felts Mansion) or that it just needs to be hit again. Those seem too simple to happen though. I like your first theory. It's deceptively simple, perhaps quite clever. I don't know if LE will be duped that easily, though. It would also go against her theme of being hidden, unnoticed. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of Caliborn crowbarring the clock to become immortal. I mean, for one thing, we've seen what happens when the clock is destroyed with the crowbar, and it was shown to be repaired. It could be something similar, though. We'll see soon enough, of course. It's surprising how much there is that feels up in the air even this late in the story. For some reason, I'm oddly satisfied John's square was the one with the little extra square in it. I guess I like the idea of him being the odd one out, given his themes and powers. I know what you mean, I was struck by the same thought. He was the one who felt as if something was "missing" way back in that overdramatic speech in Act 1, and in some hard to describe way he's always been kind of different from his friends or even any of the other characters period, even before he became retJohn. I feel like pointing out that the last shot, the black spheres over the white background, is a nice bookending callback to the first flash of Act 6 (where the moon and earth eclipse the sun, if I recall correctly). Very fitting. Oh wow, good catch. Holy. SHIT. If that black hole does lead to Caliborn's session, I hope there's a good explanation for it. Even if this is what Lord English intended (which is likely if the black hole really is a wormhole), despite his many abilities, I doubt he ever gained a make-my-host's-head-implode-into-a-black-hole-leading-to-my-session-at-a-certain-point-on-its-timeline-when-that-host-is-decapitated ability for beating his session. I'm guessing we're going to have Intermission 3 next, which will include the real climax of Homestuck. It would be fitting; every main intermission so far has revolved around Lord English, and the climax will probably depict both his rise to power as Caliborn and his final defeat. The apparent black hole thing really is interesting. It might not mean anything other than that there's now very much of a hurry to escape the session. It's certainly one of the more interesting consequences of this battle, and something I wasn't expecting. I wonder what that implies for Lord English, who had a similar energy field around him at the end of his fight segment. Not that I think he's about to explode, but if something was somehow able to kill him....! A climactic Intermission 3 would be quite appropriate, but remember there have been pages after the end of some acts but before the beginning of the next, such as the rather lengthy segment between Descend and Act 5, and that's more than possible here. But, now that you've mentioned it, I definitely would like to see an Intermission 3 link, especially if it's a flash of some kind. It looked to me like the art style changed around just as much as it did in Cascade, if not as much as it did in Game Over. I essentially agree, the art is actually extremely diverse. Given the lead-in of guest art for the past 100+ pages, the incredibly frenetic pace of the flash, and the sheer diversity of the art going on all the time, made me essentially stop noticing. And I've quietly minded guest art before, but I really think it works to the benefit of the flash this time. It's just a lot of fun. Theories I have seen for Karkat beating Clover (the first one is mine): - Karkat is weak so Clover doesn't need a lot of luck to beat him, which made his power fail. - Clover is actually lucky he lost a fight to Karkat because he was only tied up. If he had won he might have to face someone next who would have killed him. - Karkat is still affected by the Mobius Double Reacharound Virus, which makes everyone around him unlucky. - Karkat's blood aspect allows him to steal other people's powers. - Clover is really lucky with relashionships, and he may have just scored a ship with Karkat. Everything about this is fantastic and amazing and I'd like to see some followup on it in the comic. i didnt like: -i miss hussies art! -seemed slightly drawn out at times, and didnt always flow as well making it a lot less....exhilarating then game over. i feel like it could have been cut down to 16 or 15 min. Again I should probably quit picking at minor nitpicks, and I don't even really disagree myself, but what's so great about Hussie's art anyway, normal HS style is boring at this point. I agree about being drawn out though. The only place where I really feel it is with Condesce's death. She was a big villain, but not THAT big. I think some of it was so that the songs could play out without being trimmed down (too much). Which is fine, a little extra content never hurt anybody. interesting things: -john used the the fear no anvil. wonder where hussie got the idea to put that in? maybe that prop that someone made late last year that went around tumblr.... Maybe it was because time freezing attacks were going on in lots of the other battles, and he remembered John had a time stopping hammer. also it is a flash, just temporarily hosted as a yt video since it couldn't handle the stress. the rss feed isn't even updated Temporarily? I'm pretty sure it's intentionally a YouTube video because it's a lot easier to handle than an 18-minute Flash. I doubt it's a temporary measure to have it on youtube, but having it embedded on the page I think is not going to last. Cascade had a pause button too, you know. I really hope AH will use this Youtube channel to post high-res versions of all Homestuck animations. I wouldn't mind this either, not that my computer can even handle 1080p youtube videos, but being able to circumvent flash lag is nice at any rate. It would be funny if he created the official homestuck youtube channel to only host this one video and nothing else, but I could easily see that being the case. If he doesn't upload past flashes onto it, he might still at least post the remaining flashes, or the Act 7 flash, on there. And yeah, they're all flashes. I won't stop calling them what they are. So, wow, it took forever to catch up, and this post is ungodly swollen. On top of that I only JUST put up my video after recording last night and editing for most of my free time today, geez. This has been an experience. Anyway, see y'all tomorrow I guess haha.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 7, 2016 1:55:08 GMT
Also, it's on the Homestuck Official Youtube Channel. It's likely Flash has been involved in its creation, sure; but now it's definitely a video. Wich I think is a lot better: at 1080p on full-screen mode it looks simply gorgeous. Also, it can be paused and/or slowed down. I really hope AH will use this Youtube channel to post high-res versions of all Homestuck animations. Er, how could it possibly be more high-res then the original video? In any case, the loading part and "play" house-arrow make it clear it's intended to be a flash. Struck me as more of a reference than proof it's meant to be a Flash hosted by MSPA, particularly when Flash has been dying out recently. I reckon it was made in Flash but the video is the intended hosting for it.
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Post by thezcmme on Apr 7, 2016 2:00:19 GMT
also it is a flash, just temporarily hosted as a yt video since it couldn't handle the stress. the rss feed isn't even updated Temporarily? I'm pretty sure it's intentionally a YouTube video because it's a lot easier to handle than an 18-minute Flash. I was under the impression that it was temporarily hosted as well. Considering Cascade was hosted on Newgrounds upon release eventually moved to the site, the video starts with a loading screen and there's a lot of Web 3.0 stuff happening on the sides which would look great if hosted on the site.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 7, 2016 2:17:07 GMT
Also, it's on the Homestuck Official Youtube Channel. It's likely Flash has been involved in its creation, sure; but now it's definitely a video. Wich I think is a lot better: at 1080p on full-screen mode it looks simply gorgeous. Also, it can be paused and/or slowed down. I really hope AH will use this Youtube channel to post high-res versions of all Homestuck animations. Er, how could it possibly be more high-res then the original video? We don't know the resolution AH used while creating animations; we only know the resolution of what he published. It's quite usual for artists to work at higher resolutions and then scale down the finished product to something manageable for an Internet connection. He could actually be in possess of higher resolution videos, or be able to create them from the original sources. The only thing they make clear is a reference to [S] Cascade. I don't think this one was ever meant to be interactive; also, the Cascade-level of interaction (selecting the section to play) is actually pretty useless: with a true video you can simply jump to any point you want.
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Post by imglasses on Apr 7, 2016 2:28:49 GMT
Every sound page so far has had a volume button at the top left, but I don't see one in the video. I'd guess that the video is in fact meant to stay on Youtube, unless he just removed the button temporarily. Also, didn't notice this callback until now. At least, not the fact that it was Roxy both times.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 7, 2016 2:35:57 GMT
Look, what I'm trying to say is I didn't suspect his battle style would be like the spastic crossbreed of a pro wrestler and a trapeze artist. A really fitting definition Anyway, he showed multiple times that he's perfectly able to burn those ghosts to a crisp without even batting an eyelid. My guess is that he's just enjoying a good fight, knowingly perfectly well that they can't do him any real harm. During the fight he looks at most annoyed, even bored at times; there's not a single moment when he actually seems to fear them. And this of course is what Vriska is counting on: the Ghost Army is there only as a distraction, in order to allow her to use the Sburb House Juju. About whose effects, of course, she doesn't have the slightest clue. Just like us.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 7, 2016 2:39:00 GMT
Also, didn't notice this callback until now. At least, not the fact that it was Roxy both times.
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Post by Gab on Apr 7, 2016 3:07:29 GMT
A really fitting definition Anyway, he showed multiple times that he's perfectly able to burn those ghosts to a crisp without even batting an eyelid. My guess is that he's just enjoying a good fight, knowingly perfectly well that they can't do him any real harm. During the fight he looks at most annoyed, even bored at times; there's not a single moment when he actually seems to fear them. And this of course is what Vriska is counting on: the Ghost Army is there only as a distraction, in order to allow her to use the Sburb House Juju. About whose effects, of course, she doesn't have the slightest clue. Just like us. Oh, for sure. Actually, it's fitting he moves the way he does. The rolling jumps and stuff remind me of the way the kids would strife, plus he uses his big size to push his opponents around with his strong arm movements. And it's pretty cool that despite being so huge and bulky, he's actually really fast and nimble when he wants to be. But he definitely was not actually challenged by the ghosts, even if they were able to knock him back now and then. He only really got pissed off when he was swarmed by tons of ghosts at once, when he got time-froze and combo'd (which he was able to break out of without trouble) and most of all when Davepeta started landing lots of hits on him, unveiling billiards-based attacks he's never used before! Which reminds me, I remember someone saying they missed Lord English and billiards Jack being portayed with actual pool balls in their eyes instead of the solid colors, well I hope they got their fill in this flash, because it was back in full force and looking terrific, in my humble opinion. I've come to the conclusion that the only garment English cares about at all is his suspenders. His coat is just a powerup he ditches when he needs mobility, and he's totally naked except for his suspenders and pants, the latter of which I'm betting he only keeps on because you need pants in order to wear suspenders. OH, and I just caught another numerical pun: The flash is exactly 18:00 minutes long, which is 6 x 3 minutes. Act 6 Act 6 Act 6. Ehhhhhh???
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Post by mementovivere on Apr 7, 2016 4:55:47 GMT
I was thinking about it, and the typheus noises made me think of the (John) who John told to go speak with typheus... which could also possibly lead to interactions with the Game Over ghosts. It would make sense to keep the "main characters" within the structure of Act 6 while they focus on winning the game, and then use the space BETWEEN acts to focus on the individuals who are supposedly "irrelevant". I feel like we were shown all the ghosts waking up in Remem8er for SOME reason... And I still like the theory that Caliborn's "masterpiece" is actually depicting various alt-timeline ghosts rather than the versions we just had a whole flash devoted to, and the claymation was done to conceal their ghostly eyes.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 7, 2016 5:18:03 GMT
No new update yet. So far all my refreshing is for naught.
Crap, he's not going to go back to posting during the day, is he? That would be weird and would suck for me right now.
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Post by ForestGardener on Apr 7, 2016 5:45:59 GMT
OH, and I just caught another numerical pun: The flash is exactly 18:00 minutes long, which is 6 x 3 minutes. Act 6 Act 6 Act 6. Ehhhhhh??? That explains the particular length of that uncomfortable ending. I agree, Lord English looks like he's fighting physically for fun. How long has it been since he got to do that? Contrast Karkat's behavior facing LE with facing/talking with Grimbark Jade and Crockertier Jane. In the latter, he tried to hide and was obviously terrified. Here, he proved that, under certain circumstances which can include everything-on-the-line, he is willing and able to step up to the plate without hesitation and give his honest best, no matter what league the pitcher is in. Karkat, who has admitted to himself and to others that he is relatively terrible at combat and thinks he is bad at leadership, was briefly a badass. In hindsight, PM has ALWAYS been a badass. Starting with the lengths she was willing to go to to obtain Jade's package for John. It hit me as I was going to bed last night that Homestuck is coming to an end. Moreover, plot twists, revelations, and shenanigans will occur this week. The end of Collide felt ominous, even 'wrong' to many, and I agree. Some are complaining that there was little plot development of the sort we are used to from Hussie. But fear not. Shit, as they say, is about to go down.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 6:17:00 GMT
Which reminds me, I remember someone saying they missed Lord English and billiards Jack being portayed with actual pool balls in their eyes instead of the solid colors, well I hope they got their fill in this flash, because it was back in full force and looking terrific, in my humble opinion. I've come to the conclusion that the only garment English cares about at all is his suspenders. His coat is just a powerup he ditches when he needs mobility, and he's totally naked except for his suspenders and pants, the latter of which I'm betting he only keeps on because you need pants in order to wear suspenders. that was me, and yeah, i liked it a lot. i liked a lot about the updope actually, all the spritey stuff, fraymotifs, eternity served cold, heir of grief, felt being felt, slick being slick and le being friggin' awesome, etc. but that death dropped on me like... i don't even know like what. so i was mourning and didn't reacted in the thread properly. EDIT: BREAKING NEWS: THE MONGOLS HAVE INVADED CHINA Die actually had a doll with him outside of guest artists' fragments. Which... doesn't make sense, actually. But damn.
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Post by BookwyrmBOTPH on Apr 7, 2016 6:43:02 GMT
-(complain) I don't know, is it bad that I feel a little disappointed? I mean, don't get me wrong, it was great. But there was SO MCUH BUILDUP with all these baddies. If the villains were supposed to be so strong, how come they all went down like chumps at once? Like, even Yaldabaoth, whos a freaking Denizen. Lord English I think is the only one who didn't get beat! I mean, everyone was using Fraymotifs like crazy, and those are apparently pretty powerful, but still, apparently the trolls just BARELY survived the battle with their black king, and all 12 of them had Fraymotifs they used a ton, and all these baddies are supposed to be wayyyy worse than that guy. Also I kind of thought they'd beat them in a more... I dunno... lets say clever? Yeah more clever way. Like, the fight was just, action, the protags getting the shit beat out of them and losing, and then all of the sudden, there's one hit kills on like three at once. Like the Noscope Gods are just handing out karma like cheap cigars and bypassing immortality armor like it's latex. Idk. Either something fishy's going on, or Hussie is just trying to wrap things up as quickly as he can. Probably the latter, which is unfortunate. (/complain) I probably shouldn't jump all over this one point since you're just voicing some of your many varied feelings, but it seems to me like you have to have a pretty specific image in your mind about how things are "supposed" to go to be disappointed by this fight scene. Either that, or you just haven't watched it enough yet. Maybe you should watch it some more. Maybe I should too. I think I will. Yeah, I guess you're right. It just seemed weird how easily these supposedly unbeatable villains went down with essentially one hit, especially Union Jack and the Condesce, who are both supposed to be immortal and unable to be harmed. Just having Dave and Roxy take them out in one hit just didn't feel... especially like Hussie. Hasn't he expressely said before he's not big on the heroes triumphing through sheer force or fighting? Bec Noir I understood, since PM is basically his equal in terms of power, but those other two really bothered me. Not that their going down so suddenly is necessarily a problem, I just think either there's a reason for their apparent ease of defeat, or else Hussie just wants to move on from Homestuck. Personally after what I've observed and heard, I wonder if )(IC isn't really dead and we're going to get some sort of twist with her curse, and that the Jack Hole (yes im calling it that fite me) caused by the exploding head somehow plays into LE's master plan. In any case, I was still very happy with the flash, it just really threw me for a loop in terms of what I was expecting on a meta-narrative level.
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Post by orngjce223 on Apr 7, 2016 6:50:22 GMT
I teared up at the sequence where the Sburb house was in the center and we recapped the four kids' journeys, no lie.
Homestuck has been the past six years of my life. I've grown up with this beautiful comic and these precious children. I'm going to miss it all when it ends.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 7, 2016 6:51:34 GMT
The part that has me excited is, allegedly, the person who announced when the updates would happen last week and that "EOA6 is bigger than Cascade" implied that Act 7 is more hype than EOA6.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 7, 2016 6:58:36 GMT
Pffft! Anybody else notice this? I gotta keep going back to the wiki to see when the new sprites show up.
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Post by headwind on Apr 7, 2016 7:04:37 GMT
I think it's safe to say that all of us will be watching that again multiple times. I expect someone to publish a blow-by-blow account, and I intend to have a mental version. Casey's skeleton army did very little, I am sad. Arquiussprite was in awe of the Dad's strength, that is awesome. PM has both rings now. Caliborn's unconditional immortality is explained... by a game construct I thought was just a symbolic abstraction to visualize the heroic/just/neither determination. Karkat made the first move against LE! With no doubt on his face! And LE just stood there going "what are you doing?", LOL. We interrupt your regularly scheduled fight for cookies. Crowbar just kind of stood back and watched Jake thrash the Felt. Combo fraymotifs! And so much more. OK, good night. I watched Collide a few times, twice in slow motion. I made some pages of quick notes to help me digest this complex Potato, and that is working well. However, most probably it will be old news by the time I am ready to post those notes. Okay, it might still be useful for the Wiki or something. From the notes, some things, most probably already noticed by others in this thread (I still have to catch up with it!): As a moment of sheer playful weirdness, it was fun to see the cameo at time 10:57. The plot has advanced in some major ways: the battles against the Condesce, the Jacks, and the Felt have reached a kind of conclusion which has some chances to be final. Following as far as I can see the plans as set up by Vriska. However, many major things are still unknown, such as -the final outcome of LE's battle -the contents of the two boxes (Vriska's and Caliborn's) -the nature and effects of Alt-Calliope's mission I also wonder about the mechanism Dave is intending for Dirk's resurrection. I reasonably deduce that is in Dave's plans. At time 15:45, Dave is probably taking too much care with the head and body to be doing it just as his final respects. It is a moment when he knows the planet is going to be blown out, and so he still needs to loop in time to save Terezi. There is precedent for Dirk being decapitated with his resurrection already planned in advance. But I still do not know the intended mechanism. It was heartwarming to see WV, Serenity, and Calliope having a moment of peace. Jade had fun, as advised, so much that she ended up digging a furrow in LOFAF ground with her own body. But this time she will get alive out of this, and comes to worst, the punch she got was neither heroic nor just. Bec Noir losing his prototyping and recovering his left arm (16:22) is a fun callback to a Paradox Space story.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 7, 2016 7:15:42 GMT
Lotta people bring up the idea that the Lord Noir black hole took several Caliborn-relevant items (and persons) to Caliborn's session.
How about the fact some theorise Doc Scratch's moon is a recoloured version of the planet that got a giant chunk torn out of it?
Also, regarding Dirk, obviously that counts as neither a Heroic nor a Just death, so he'll revive once Dave gets him somewhere else.
Getting killed by your own brother to defeat some bad guys? Perhaps somewhat heroic, but it's more tragic than anything, and tragic isn't a trigger for God Tier death!
(Also does it count as ironic that Dave killed Dirk after their reconciliation or that he halfbladekinded the Unbreakable Katana because if it does I might just have to flip some shit)
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Post by kidror on Apr 7, 2016 7:36:18 GMT
I don't think Altiope is going to do anything to the sun at all, Lord English will find her there and of course will set up a huge blast to kill her. The blast will push the Green Sun into the cracks "sinking" it. After all the waiting and hiding she did, it was all just to die at the right spot at the right time. It seems to me that Caliborn will "cheat" his immortality by hitting the clock with the crowbar. At this point I'd suggest that properly destroying will end its effects (Gives reason to Spades Slick destroying the clocks in the Felts Mansion) or that it just needs to be hit again. Those seem too simple to happen though. I like your first theory. It's deceptively simple, perhaps quite clever. I don't know if LE will be duped that easily, though. It would also go against her theme of being hidden, unnoticed. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of Caliborn crowbarring the clock to become immortal. I mean, for one thing, we've seen what happens when the clock is destroyed with the crowbar, and it was shown to be repaired. It could be something similar, though. We'll see soon enough, of course. It's surprising how much there is that feels up in the air even this late in the story. Honestly it depends how much of Lord English is Caliborn's personality. He may be focused too much on killing his sister to care that A: Its not the alpha calliope or B: That something bad might happen as a result of his actions (when has caliborn ever worried about THAT?). It does go against that theme but it does follow on the ultimate sacrifice one. She sacrifices herself so that she can hide alone for an incredibly long time only to sacrifice herself once again in order to ensure that her brother screws something up, and this all gets to happen to her because she was the successful one. It would be a really simple solution too but it was the first thought that came to my head other than "he just gets to be immortal cause plot". Honestly I'm kinda worried that everything won't be answered in the little space we have left.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 7, 2016 10:16:24 GMT
Oh hey I completely missed that John still has his Time Hammer, that pretty cool. Yeah! Seeing John freeze The Condesce in time was unexpected, but so badass. Well, if Andrew continues updating at midnight EST as opposed to in the middle of the day like the previous ones. Looks like that wasn't the case. I wouldn't be surprised if the following updates are all just gonna be at about the same hours as the updates before [S] Collide. Maybe Act 7 will go up on 4/13 at midnight though. I finally got a chance to watch the flash! And, well ... that sure was a fight scene. I'm a bit disappointed, really. I mean, don't get me wrong, it was an awesome fight scene, but that's all that really happened: fighting. There weren't any real twists aside from Dirk's (and possibly Jane and Davepeta's) fate or story aside from the fights and the results of the fights. I guess the twist is that I was expecting a twist and it didn't happen? But seriously, Vriska's plan wasn't supposed actually work! I just don't get why so many people are disappointed by that. I mean, in the past enough people have complained when battles were just curbstomps and a twist happened, and when exactly the opposite happens people are still not satisfied. And still, it's not like Vriska's plan worked. I mean, Karkat and Kanaya joined the battles instead of staying out of it, Spades Slick interfered in the LOTAK battle, Cans got away from Jake's battle and got into a fight with Arquiusprite and Dad, and Jasprosesprite^2 became a thing and helped as well. Not to mention the fact that (probably) Jane and Dirk are dead right now, that definitely wasn't part of the plan. As for Vriska's plan in the Dreambubbles, Vriska hadn't accounted for Andrew's meddling, and even though Aradia, Tavros, Meenah and Davepetasprite^2 have managed to deal out some great hits to Lord English, they're not even close to defeating him yet. And Vriska has not even tried using the Plot Hole yet. I agree about being drawn out though. The only place where I really feel it is with Condesce's death. She was a big villain, but not THAT big. I think some of it was so that the songs could play out without being trimmed down (too much). Which is fine, a little extra content never hurt anybody. To be honest, I think the Condesce's death scene being drawn out was really appropriate, it added suspense to who the hell killed The Condesce (and might possibly inherit her curse). Plus, seeing the batterwitch go down after millennia of terrorizing entire planets was so satisfying to me. Which reminds me, I remember someone saying they missed Lord English and billiards Jack being portayed with actual pool balls in their eyes instead of the solid colors, well I hope they got their fill in this flash, because it was back in full force and looking terrific, in my humble opinion. Hehe, I thought of exactly the same thing while watching the flash. OH, and I just caught another numerical pun: The flash is exactly 18:00 minutes long, which is 6 x 3 minutes. Act 6 Act 6 Act 6. Ehhhhhh??? OH FUCKING HELL I probably shouldn't jump all over this one point since you're just voicing some of your many varied feelings, but it seems to me like you have to have a pretty specific image in your mind about how things are "supposed" to go to be disappointed by this fight scene. Either that, or you just haven't watched it enough yet. Maybe you should watch it some more. Maybe I should too. I think I will.
Yeah, I guess you're right. It just seemed weird how easily these supposedly unbeatable villains went down with essentially one hit, especially Union Jack and the Condesce, who are both supposed to be immortal and unable to be harmed. Just having Dave and Roxy take them out in one hit just didn't feel... especially like Hussie. Hasn't he expressely said before he's not big on the heroes triumphing through sheer force or fighting? Bec Noir I understood, since PM is basically his equal in terms of power, but those other two really bothered me. Not that their going down so suddenly is necessarily a problem, I just think either there's a reason for their apparent ease of defeat, or else Hussie just wants to move on from Homestuck. Personally after what I've observed and heard, I wonder if )(IC isn't really dead and we're going to get some sort of twist with her curse, and that the Jack Hole (yes im calling it that fite me) caused by the exploding head somehow plays into LE's master plan. In any case, I was still very happy with the flash, it just really threw me for a loop in terms of what I was expecting on a meta-narrative level. How did it in any way go easy for the heroes to defeat the bad guys? The flash showed at length that the villains were ridiculously strong and that it looked like all heroes were going to lose, until the fireflies came in to give them hope. And plenty of healing and reviving was needed along the way too, and EVERYONE looks totally beat up by the end. I think in terms of how strong all opponents were it went pretty much like how I think it should have been. Also, regarding Dirk, obviously that counts as neither a Heroic nor a Just death, so he'll revive once Dave gets him somewhere else. Getting killed by your own brother to defeat some bad guys? Perhaps somewhat heroic, but it's more tragic than anything, and tragic isn't a trigger for God Tier death! (Also does it count as ironic that Dave killed Dirk after their reconciliation or that he halfbladekinded the Unbreakable Katana because if it does I might just have to flip some shit) I think it most definitely counts as Heroic. Dirk KNEW he was screwed and signalled to Dave that it was okay to kill him, because it was their only shot at killing Spades Slick and Lord Noir. Dirk sacrificed himself so that Dave and Terezi could win the battle. If that isn't Heroic, I don't know what is.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 7, 2016 11:03:44 GMT
Also, regarding Dirk, obviously that counts as neither a Heroic nor a Just death, so he'll revive once Dave gets him somewhere else. Getting killed by your own brother to defeat some bad guys? Perhaps somewhat heroic, but it's more tragic than anything, and tragic isn't a trigger for God Tier death! (Also does it count as ironic that Dave killed Dirk after their reconciliation or that he halfbladekinded the Unbreakable Katana because if it does I might just have to flip some shit) I think it most definitely counts as Heroic. Dirk KNEW he was screwed and signalled to Dave that it was okay to kill him, because it was their only shot at killing Spades Slick and Lord Noir. Dirk sacrificed himself so that Dave and Terezi could win the battle. If that isn't Heroic, I don't know what is. (It was a joooke)
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 7, 2016 11:35:24 GMT
So, I wonder what's going to happen in the next updates. Is everyone going to gather in one place already? I have a feeling we might be getting several separate meet-ups for now: 1) John, Rose, Roxy, and Kanaya (and possibly Jane?) meeting up with Arquiusprite, Dad and Cans. 2) Karkat and Clover meeting up with WV, Serenity and Calliope, and meeting up with PM (and possibly Jade and B1 Jack?). 3) Jake with The Felt (minus Clover and Cans) and Ms. Paint and Aurthour. 4) Dave and Terezi doing something with Dirk's body (possibly visiting Hephaestus like some people have suggested). Also, on another note, the way Dave escaped into Time with Dirk's body after he was killed, reminds me of Roxy escaping into Void with Rose's body after she was fatally wounded. ...Whoops. I am the doofus, it's me. EDIT: I just realized we can't really call B1 Jack "Bec Noir" anymore, because he isn't prototyped anymore. How about Back Noir?
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