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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 7, 2016 12:02:45 GMT
So, I wonder what's going to happen in the next updates. Is everyone going to gather in one place already? I have a feeling we might be getting several separate meet-ups for now: I just realized we can't really call B1 Jack "Bec Noir" anymore, because he isn't prototyped anymore. How about Back Noir?  Back Noir? I like the sound of that. Also, as for Jane being possibly dead, how likely do you think it is she died a neutral death? |
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Post by accipitrineOutlier on Apr 7, 2016 12:35:38 GMT
Yeah, I guess you're right. It just seemed weird how easily these supposedly unbeatable villains went down with essentially one hit, especially Union Jack and the Condesce, who are both supposed to be immortal and unable to be harmed. Just having Dave and Roxy take them out in one hit just didn't feel... especially like Hussie. Hasn't he expressely said before he's not big on the heroes triumphing through sheer force or fighting? Bec Noir I understood, since PM is basically his equal in terms of power, but those other two really bothered me. Not that their going down so suddenly is necessarily a problem, I just think either there's a reason for their apparent ease of defeat, or else Hussie just wants to move on from Homestuck. Personally after what I've observed and heard, I wonder if )(IC isn't really dead and we're going to get some sort of twist with her curse, and that the Jack Hole (yes im calling it that fite me) caused by the exploding head somehow plays into LE's master plan. In any case, I was still very happy with the flash, it just really threw me for a loop in terms of what I was expecting on a meta-narrative level. How did it in any way go easy for the heroes to defeat the bad guys? The flash showed at length that the villains were ridiculously strong and that it looked like all heroes were going to lose, until the fireflies came in to give them hope. And plenty of healing and reviving was needed along the way too, and EVERYONE looks totally beat up by the end. I think in terms of how strong all opponents were it went pretty much like how I think it should have been. I agree. Think of it like fighting a video game boss--you can hack at their health bar for hours and not see any physical results like weakness or incapacitation, but you're still making definite progress--and then there's always one final blow that seals the deal. We just couldn't see the HP gel viscosity bars in this case. |
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 7, 2016 12:37:37 GMT
If a year or so ago you’d told me in a fight with Lord English, out of all A2 Trolls versions of Aradia, Tavros, and Nepeta would be the ones putting up the best fight against him I’d probably have thought it was a crazy idea, hahaha.
But on another note, I really wonder what role B2 DD and CD are still going to play in all this.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 7, 2016 12:44:17 GMT
40 pages is ridiculously little. I don't think we are getting any friendly dialogue from those characters, from now on it's just plot. Light-hearted stuff will probably be saved for the epilogue.
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Post by kmsumrall on Apr 7, 2016 13:28:14 GMT
Wait it makes sense. Huss said updates till 4/13, but he didn't say which 4/13.
Also any bets on Huss setting the last update to go live at 4:13am or pm?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 13:30:23 GMT
I just realized we can't really call B1 Jack "Bec Noir" anymore, because he isn't prototyped anymore. How about Back Noir? just call him who he is. jack noir. it isn't like there are contenders for the name anymore |
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 7, 2016 13:36:24 GMT
40 pages is ridiculously little. I don't think we are getting any friendly dialogue from those characters, from now on it's just plot. Light-hearted stuff will probably be saved for the epilogue. Well, Caliborn's Masterpiece was also about 40 pages, and it had huge plot revelations posted over the course of only three days. I think those last 40 pages, because they are posted over six days (not counting the final update), will be even more content-dense than the masterpiece. |
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 7, 2016 13:49:28 GMT
Yeah, 40 pages spread out over 6 days. There's bound to be a lot of stuff in there because it's so spread out. Also any bets on Huss setting the last update to go live at 4:13am or pm? That would be pretty sweet, but I wouldn't be surprised if he just drops it at midnight again. just call him who he is. jack noir. it isn't like there are contenders for the name anymore I mostly intended it as a joke, what with the MSPA face I put there and all.  Yeah, when it's clear we're just talking about the only remaining Jack Noir in the story just calling him "Jack Noir" would be clear enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 13:49:33 GMT
I just realized we can't really call B1 Jack "Bec Noir" anymore, because he isn't prototyped anymore. How about Back Noir? just call him who he is. jack noir. it isn't like there are contenders for the name anymore Agreed. |
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 7, 2016 14:19:11 GMT
Thing I wonder: is Hussie riding Maplehoof when he fights Vriska a reference to Hussiequest?
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 7, 2016 14:19:29 GMT
It suddenly occurs to me...doesn't this make for a good parallel to the trolls' session? Where they fought a bunch of bosses (their Denizens) and then went on to win their game? Which makes me wonder if this was what these kids were supposed to do, given how that turned out for the trolls.
Also, another thought occurs. All that stuff Davepetasprite said about an ultimate self that's truly immortal, and persists probably even after every ghost is dead? Aradia probably knew about that, and that's why she was so blasé about the ghost army idea, as opposed to how John, Tavros and Sollux seemed to feel about it.
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Post by Fish on Apr 7, 2016 15:12:28 GMT
If a year or so ago you’d told me in a fight with Lord English, out of all A2 Trolls versions of Aradia, Tavros, and Nepeta would be the ones putting up the best fight against him I’d probably have thought it was a crazy idea, hahaha. But on another note, I really wonder what role B2 DD and CD are still going to play in all this. I am super happy Aradia fought LE in the end. Good stuff. And we still haven't seen Sollux's attack, though it doesn't seem like that'd make more of a difference than all the other trolls' attacks. Interestingly, I could also see Dirk joining the LE fight for a while now. (Or just spectating as LE powers up and destroys the whole bubble.) |
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 7, 2016 15:23:01 GMT
So, I wonder what's going to happen in the next updates. Is everyone going to gather in one place already? I have a feeling we might be getting several separate meet-ups for now: I just realized we can't really call B1 Jack "Bec Noir" anymore, because he isn't prototyped anymore. How about Back Noir? Back Noir? I like the sound of that. Also, as for Jane being possibly dead, how likely do you think it is she died a neutral death? If she died, it was most definitely heoric, as she fought against a villain. In a similar way, that Dirk's death was very much heoric, too. He understood what Dave was going to do and he was willing to be killed if it meant all of the eneimes would be killed as well. The only way Jane's death would not have been heoric was if she had been doing literally nothing and the Condesce just decided to kill her. |
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 7, 2016 15:30:42 GMT
Yeah, I think that IF Jane's dead it was probably Heroic. And we still haven't seen Sollux's attack, though it doesn't seem like that'd make more of a difference than all the other trolls' attacks. Sadly, the fact that he's blind means it would be pretty difficult for him to fight Lord English. Interestingly, I could also see Dirk joining the LE fight for a while now. (Or just spectating as LE powers up and destroys the whole bubble.) Huh, that's a good point. Hell, not just Dirk, but Jane and Jade are possible candidates as well what with being knocked out (or possibly dead in the case of Jane). It would be interesting to see them join the fight. |
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Post by authorialalchemy on Apr 7, 2016 15:36:22 GMT
I'm a little sad that Spades Slick is dead. :c
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 7, 2016 15:39:25 GMT
If a year or so ago you’d told me in a fight with Lord English, out of all A2 Trolls versions of Aradia, Tavros, and Nepeta would be the ones putting up the best fight against him I’d probably have thought it was a crazy idea, hahaha. But on another note, I really wonder what role B2 DD and CD are still going to play in all this. I am super happy Aradia fought LE in the end. Good stuff. And we still haven't seen Sollux's attack, though it doesn't seem like that'd make more of a difference than all the other trolls' attacks. Interestingly, I could also see Dirk joining the LE fight for a while now. (Or just spectating as LE powers up and destroys the whole bubble.) It's kinda ambiguous which powers Sollux still has after turning blind. We know he doesn't have his voices of the dead and presumably he can't use eye beams anymore but even then who knows. |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 7, 2016 15:53:49 GMT
I am super happy Aradia fought LE in the end. Good stuff. And we still haven't seen Sollux's attack, though it doesn't seem like that'd make more of a difference than all the other trolls' attacks. Interestingly, I could also see Dirk joining the LE fight for a while now. (Or just spectating as LE powers up and destroys the whole bubble.) It's kinda ambiguous which powers Sollux still has after turning blind. We know he doesn't have his voices of the dead and presumably he can't use eye beams anymore but even then who knows. Could be he can still use his eye beams but isn't incredibly confident about being able to aim them when he can't see. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 17:16:38 GMT
so uh
how about changing name of the thread
proposing "Spade, Jack, Heart and Knight"
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 7, 2016 17:35:11 GMT
It's kinda ambiguous which powers Sollux still has after turning blind. We know he doesn't have his voices of the dead and presumably he can't use eye beams anymore but even then who knows. Could be he can still use his eye beams but isn't incredibly confident about being able to aim them when he can't see. Well, the eye beams are red and blue just like his eyes were, and now that his eyes aren't red and blue anymore he likely can't do red and blue eyebeams either. |
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Post by The One Guy on Apr 7, 2016 18:28:54 GMT
I finally got a chance to watch the flash! And, well ... that sure was a fight scene. I'm a bit disappointed, really. I mean, don't get me wrong, it was an awesome fight scene, but that's all that really happened: fighting. There weren't any real twists aside from Dirk's (and possibly Jane and Davepeta's) fate or story aside from the fights and the results of the fights. I guess the twist is that I was expecting a twist and it didn't happen? But seriously, Vriska's plan wasn't supposed actually work! I just don't get why so many people are disappointed by that. I mean, in the past enough people have complained when battles were just curbstomps and a twist happened, and when exactly the opposite happens people are still not satisfied. Well, people have complained about that, yes, but I was not one of those people. And anyway, I was less annoyed at the lack of twists and more annoyed at the lack of anything other than fighting; Homestuck is an action-adventure story, not just an action story. Granted, a lot of action-adventure stories have a big final battle, but Cascade had very little fighting going on in it and it was just as climactic, if not moreso, than Collide. And still, it's not like Vriska's plan worked. I mean, Karkat and Kanaya joined the battles instead of staying out of it, Spades Slick interfered in the LOTAK battle, Cans got away from Jake's battle and got into a fight with Arquiusprite and Dad, and Jasprosesprite^2 became a thing and helped as well. Not to mention the fact that (probably) Jane and Dirk are dead right now, that definitely wasn't part of the plan. Well yeah, but they won. If troops march into battle and beat the enemy, do you then say the mission failed because it didn't go exactly according to plan and lives were lost? And that's not even mentioning that Dave seems to have a plan to resurrect Dirk and we don't know for sure that Jane is dead. As for Vriska's plan in the Dreambubbles, Vriska hadn't accounted for Andrew's meddling, and even though Aradia, Tavros, Meenah and Davepetasprite^2 have managed to deal out some great hits to Lord English, they're not even close to defeating him yet. And Vriska has not even tried using the Plot Hole yet. I should clarify that when I referred to "Vriska's plan" in my post, I was specifically talking about the plan she gave people to follow before leaving to the dream bubbles. I consider the plan for defeating Lord English to be a separate plan, devised just as much by Meenah as Vriska. The result of that plan is still inconclusive. |
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 7, 2016 18:52:53 GMT
Still no update.
It could hit anytime now...
(Also, for some reason the RSS feed still doesn't show [S] Collide.)
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 7, 2016 19:02:15 GMT
Know what I'm glad we aren't doing anymore?
The whole "there's no "DEAD" tag this character impaled through the chest could totally be alive and well" nonsense.
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Post by kmsumrall on Apr 7, 2016 19:08:30 GMT
Know what I'm glad we aren't doing anymore? The whole "there's no "DEAD" tag this character impaled through the chest could totally be alive and well" nonsense. That sounds like everyone could potentially still be alive and well. |
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 7, 2016 19:10:27 GMT
Know what I'm glad we aren't doing anymore? The whole "there's no "DEAD" tag this character impaled through the chest could totally be alive and well" nonsense. That sounds like everyone could potentially still be alive and well. I'm not kidding, people seriously did that back during Murderstuck, like when Vriska impaled Tavros in the chest. |
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Post by kmsumrall on Apr 7, 2016 19:29:10 GMT
That sounds like everyone could potentially still be alive and well. I'm not kidding, people seriously did that back during Murderstuck, like when Vriska impaled Tavros in the chest. yeah... I know. I was there. I help perpetuate that sort of thing. |
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