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Post by Fish on May 15, 2016 2:07:48 GMT
We could get it back without any of the old data, or we could get it back with everything fixed. NO IDEA what is going on.
Was it really that negative before it went down? Compared to the negativity on this forum, I don't remember any noticeable complaining.
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Post by aquilus3 on May 15, 2016 2:33:44 GMT
We could get it back without any of the old data, or we could get it back with everything fixed. NO IDEA what is going on. Was it really that negative before it went down? Compared to the negativity on this forum, I don't remember any noticeable complaining. To me. It felt kinda negative. Like in a Big Brother sense and admins who potentially abuse their powers or don't care about the community. No warning for anything, getting banned for really minor stuff, maybe personal bias from an admin or moderator on a topic, ban hammer thrown like it was a lighting bolt and getting thrown into jailed status only to be forgotten about and never released until someone had to ask a moderator. The people and users weren't negative. I like the people you guys remind me of the NMA community, to me it was the people running the site who were negative. This forum feels like a breath of fresh air. |
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Post by Fish on May 15, 2016 18:34:36 GMT
lmao some of my best friends on that forum were mods
Mods weren't abusing their power, they were trying to keep the forum from becoming a hellhole of personal attacks, child porn, and spam. They looked after the forum when What Pumpkin? abandoned it. To be fair, the What Pumpkin? direction was not that great and did result in some unfair jailings, but I can't think of an instance of an unfair ban since What Pumpkin? disappeared.
"maybe personal bias from an admin or moderator on a topic" hella implies "Someone said something bigoted and was censured for it" by the way, so please clarify
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Post by jacquerel on May 15, 2016 20:02:31 GMT
Yeah I had my disagreements with some of the top-level direction the forum was being led in by What Pumpkin but the moderation team mostly seemed to have pretty much the right idea.
The gamergate topic got locked before anyone else could even post in it, for instance, foresight few other forums seemed to have .V
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Post by aquilus3 on May 15, 2016 20:37:08 GMT
lmao some of my best friends on that forum were mods Mods weren't abusing their power, they were trying to keep the forum from becoming a hellhole of personal attacks, child porn, and spam. They looked after the forum when What Pumpkin? abandoned it. To be fair, the What Pumpkin? direction was not that great and did result in some unfair jailings, but I can't think of an instance of an unfair ban since What Pumpkin? disappeared. "maybe personal bias from an admin or moderator on a topic" hella implies "Someone said something bigoted and was censured for it" by the way, so please clarify Sorry i didnt mean moderators I should clarified that. The mods were cool, it was specifically the admin. But the problem is though a lot of people never said anything bigoted about anything at all. There was no warning for anything, and getting banned or jailed was just sudden and most of the times unjustified. The mods are just doing their job, but some of this stuff just came straight from admins. |
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Post by Crazed Cat on May 16, 2016 0:01:45 GMT
If we're talking like about the Keíros guy I was been random banned from him for defending my account on the old forums.
Yes, the mailing was justified due to me suggesting a bit of explicit content, but the banning was not. I didn't even get unbanned before the forums got bricked and that makes me quite angry. Hopefully we get the forum back and I get unbanned.
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Post by aquilus3 on May 16, 2016 0:29:28 GMT
If we're talking like about the Keíros guy I was been random banned from him for defending my account on the old forums. Yes, the mailing was justified due to me suggesting a bit of explicit content, but the banning was not. I didn't even get unbanned before the forums got bricked and that makes me quite angry. Hopefully we get the forum back and I get unbanned. Softowl was the one who put me in jailed status and I had to ask a moderator to get me out. And I mailed her like 4-5 times asking to unjail me after nearly 3 months. I was never given a warning. On top of that she basically closed every thread I made since the beginning. All this because she thought I was spamming the board. To which I wasn't, and if I was I shoulda been warned before that happened. Because I did make a lot of threads and a lot of them were pretty good and in my mind legitimate. |
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Post by EffinCoy on May 16, 2016 0:53:38 GMT
On the topic of Crazed Cat: Yeah it seems it was unnecessary, giving that it was just a dumb joke and that's it. Like, maybe if I say it here I'll get banned? Nobody's gonna masserbait please know that.
On the topic of Aquilus: Your threads aren't bad, they were following the rules and they clearly had a subject in general. But maybe you got jailed just because you were making them like, every day? every week...
Well, I don't know. This is something you can see on softowl's other bans, but not only coming from her but some of the bans and jails seems pointless.
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Post by aquilus3 on May 16, 2016 1:18:42 GMT
On the topic of Crazed Cat: Yeah it seems it was unnecessary, giving that it was just a dumb joke and that's it. Like, maybe if I say it here I'll get banned? Nobody's gonna masserbait please know that. On the topic of Aquilus: Your threads aren't bad, they were following the rules and they clearly had a subject in general. But maybe you got jailed just because you were making them like, every day? every week... Well, I don't know. This is something you can see on softowl's other bans, but not only coming from her but some of the bans and jails seems pointless. They are pointless. If I was making too many threads then they should've just warned me and I gladly wouldve stopped. But instead she just decided to jail me and forget about me. Even after I mailed her like 4 times asking to be let out. It's hardly a safe community if you have to live in fear of moderators or administrators because they don't like your threads personally or you have to live in fear of never being warned for minor stuff and be jailed or banned the next day. |
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Post by The One Guy on May 16, 2016 15:29:36 GMT
Well, there were complaints about Soft Owl earlier in this thread, but I think it was determined that she disappeared from the forums long before they went down, and thus wasn't relevant to this discussion.
In any case, you're saying problem was a lack of proper communication, especially relating to bad things happening for unclear reasons? Something tells me the forums going down didn't exactly fix that problem...
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Post by aquilus3 on May 16, 2016 15:49:59 GMT
Well, there were complaints about Soft Owl earlier in this thread, but I think it was determined that she disappeared from the forums long before they went down, and thus wasn't relevant to this discussion. In any case, you're saying problem was a lack of proper communication, especially relating to bad things happening for unclear reasons? Something tells me the forums going down didn't exactly fix that problem... I don't think it did. If the site ever comes back, I really hope stuff like that doesn't continue. Regardless if it's a lack of communication or people being banned or jailed for unclear or just stupid reasons. At a moment like that it would sound like your average users are more reasonable or willing to listen than the admin are. |
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Post by The One Guy on May 16, 2016 17:13:10 GMT
Well, there were complaints about Soft Owl earlier in this thread, but I think it was determined that she disappeared from the forums long before they went down, and thus wasn't relevant to this discussion. In any case, you're saying problem was a lack of proper communication, especially relating to bad things happening for unclear reasons? Something tells me the forums going down didn't exactly fix that problem... I don't think it did. If the site ever comes back, I really hope stuff like that doesn't continue. Regardless if it's a lack of communication or people being banned or jailed for unclear or just stupid reasons. At a moment like that it would sound like your average users are more reasonable or willing to listen than the admin are. My point was that people are complaining about What Pumpkin's communication problems even without the forums, and, in fact, the forums going down without any word from them is the worst case of this yet! Thus, it's absurd to think the forums were taken down to fix this problem. |
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Post by aquilus3 on May 16, 2016 17:59:58 GMT
I don't think it did. If the site ever comes back, I really hope stuff like that doesn't continue. Regardless if it's a lack of communication or people being banned or jailed for unclear or just stupid reasons. At a moment like that it would sound like your average users are more reasonable or willing to listen than the admin are. My point was that people are complaining about What Pumpkin's communication problems even without the forums, and, in fact, the forums going down without any word from them is the worst case of this yet! Thus, it's absurd to think the forums were taken down to fix this problem. So what do you think is the reason for why they took it down? |
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Post by The One Guy on May 16, 2016 18:06:06 GMT
My point was that people are complaining about What Pumpkin's communication problems even without the forums, and, in fact, the forums going down without any word from them is the worst case of this yet! Thus, it's absurd to think the forums were taken down to fix this problem. So what do you think is the reason for why they took it down? They didn't take it down, it was hacked! |
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Post by aquilus3 on May 16, 2016 18:16:05 GMT
So what do you think is the reason for why they took it down? They didn't take it down, it was hacked! Did Syria hack the site again? Dammit this always happens. |
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Post by jacquerel on May 16, 2016 18:26:02 GMT
We don't know who or what hacked the site, just that the main page was replaced by a series of messages and then eventually the entire site vanished.
And that no communication as to what was happening or what is being done about it has been forthcoming.
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Post by The One Guy on May 16, 2016 18:46:52 GMT
They didn't take it down, it was hacked! Did Syria hack the site again? Dammit this always happens. I wish! All they did was hack in propaganda without touching the actual forum content. Whatever happened here was not so benign. Anyway, here's what information we have: A few days before the forums went down some people were getting messages about passwords being compromised. It didn't seem official at all, though, as if someone had hacked the site to put up these warnings rather than an actual alert, leaving many confused and concerned. A bit later, the main page of the forums was replaced with a down for maintenance message (which you can still see if you go to the main page there today), but all the subforums and threads were still accessible for about a day until everything disappeared. So we don't know exactly what went on there, but it seems like either hackers took it down, or What Pumpkin took it down in response to hackers. |
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Post by aquilus3 on May 16, 2016 19:06:15 GMT
Did Syria hack the site again? Dammit this always happens. I wish! All they did was hack in propaganda without touching the actual forum content. Whatever happened here was not so benign. Anyway, here's what information we have: A few days before the forums went down some people were getting messages about passwords being compromised. It didn't seem official at all, though, as if someone had hacked the site to put up these warnings rather than an actual alert, leaving many confused and concerned. A bit later, the main page of the forums was replaced with a down for maintenance message (which you can still see if you go to the main page there today), but all the subforums and threads were still accessible for about a day until everything disappeared. So we don't know exactly what went on there, but it seems like either hackers took it down, or What Pumpkin took it down in response to hackers. If it was hackers. The real question is what was their motive? |
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Post by Crazed Cat on May 16, 2016 19:53:03 GMT
I wish! All they did was hack in propaganda without touching the actual forum content. Whatever happened here was not so benign. Anyway, here's what information we have: A few days before the forums went down some people were getting messages about passwords being compromised. It didn't seem official at all, though, as if someone had hacked the site to put up these warnings rather than an actual alert, leaving many confused and concerned. A bit later, the main page of the forums was replaced with a down for maintenance message (which you can still see if you go to the main page there today), but all the subforums and threads were still accessible for about a day until everything disappeared. So we don't know exactly what went on there, but it seems like either hackers took it down, or What Pumpkin took it down in response to hackers. If it was hackers. The real question is what was their motive? Maybe they took it down for the sake of financial gain via viruses somehow? |
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Post by Arashi500 on May 16, 2016 21:39:12 GMT
I wish! All they did was hack in propaganda without touching the actual forum content. Whatever happened here was not so benign. Anyway, here's what information we have: A few days before the forums went down some people were getting messages about passwords being compromised. It didn't seem official at all, though, as if someone had hacked the site to put up these warnings rather than an actual alert, leaving many confused and concerned. A bit later, the main page of the forums was replaced with a down for maintenance message (which you can still see if you go to the main page there today), but all the subforums and threads were still accessible for about a day until everything disappeared. So we don't know exactly what went on there, but it seems like either hackers took it down, or What Pumpkin took it down in response to hackers. If it was hackers. The real question is what was their motive? That assumes the hackers even HAD a motive beyond being malicious. Unless they somehow planned to get the account info of anyone who changed their passwords. But I'm inclined to think it was the former. |
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Post by sigh on May 16, 2016 22:26:04 GMT
Personally I think they just did so since Homestuck was about to end and whomever it was thought that doing so would do the most damage to those who would want to discuss it afterwards.
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Post by EffinCoy on May 17, 2016 1:31:53 GMT
Personally I think they just did so since Homestuck was about to end and whomever it was thought that doing so would do the most damage to those who would want to discuss it afterwards. Here we are at the Omegaupdate Forums. Blaperile ruined the hacker's plan, then? If this was the case, the hacker haven't thought of everything or, he doesn't know about this? This was created like a week after the forums died. It was posted in many places like Reddit and Tumblr where anyone can see it. I'm thinking it was a direct attack to the fanbase or even What Pumpkin. Something like: "Hey! I hate Homestuck whatever reason I have, let's hack the forums!" |
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Post by invisibleTerrarium on May 17, 2016 1:51:07 GMT
kieros was definitely a bit banhappy and she eventually joined the pokemon quarantine (forum made by a couple of us from mspaf after solaris randomly killed the pokemon thread for getting too off topic despite it being that way for a few months) under a different name, pretended to be some totally different person for over two years, and then disappeared from the site when called out on it. seemed to have been a bit of a bizarre human being. I wish i was making this shit up. I even got it confirmed by Kieros herself.  The modmin team seemed composed of people who... werent exactly fit to be modmins. Drillgorg, Ashdenej, Memento, Esrever, and Avi were pretty chill but everyone else seems to have started some bizarre beef. |
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Post by Crazed Cat on May 17, 2016 1:55:14 GMT
Kieros is one of the reasons I almost praise the hackers for deleting the mspaforums
He/she was a dick
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Post by jacquerel on May 17, 2016 2:31:02 GMT
The fact that a topic had been off topic for literally months is justification to lock it, not a reason to leave it alone >_>
The new topic that was made once an actual new game came out was so much better and more focused and less fractious that it was pretty clearly a good move to close that thing during the big gap between games that was going on there.
Speaking of "off-topic" though... is it getting to the point where this topic might as well be locked until there's any news?
Talking shit about moderators who aren't here isn't really relevant to the forum being shut down.
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