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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jul 26, 2016 22:07:04 GMT
The other stuff I would expect to go on first is somebody smashing Li'l Cal with the crowbar. Sorry I left that out. Did you forget that Doc Scratch says that there are already countless iterations of himself across many Universes. Lil Cal isn't limited to one puppet, he can be summoned over and over again. You can smash all the ones you could find at the time sure. But the ability to summon new ones will likely still exist. Not to mention the possibility that a Puppet could not only be smuggled in in its physical form, but as bottled Ecto-goo or even from just writing the code down somewhere. If some devious minion did so, encrypting it, and hiding it in something innocuous like, say, the first letter of each page of some ancient alien Illiad type book, you'd never find it and stop it. Then English would be in the Blanc Space. It's all one puppet though. It's just Li'l Cal further along in his time stream. The Li'l Cal in Dave's dream room was the same Li'l Cal he had in his house, just from a different point in time. And the crowbar doesn't just destroy something, it pulls it out of a time loop. The point of it is to negate a Juju's paradoxical effect. |
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Post by obsidalicious on Jul 27, 2016 4:30:08 GMT
It's all one puppet though. It's just Li'l Cal further along in his time stream. The Li'l Cal in Dave's dream room was the same Li'l Cal he had in his house, just from a different point in time. And the crowbar doesn't just destroy something, it pulls it out of a time loop. The point of it is to negate a Juju's paradoxical effect. Ah so it's the 'Remove Lord English from existence' approach we're talking about then? Okay, I re-iterate my previous point about this plan: A lot of reality is contingent upon Lord English. Does John really have the right to sacrifice it all? To commit total annihilation on so many Races, Cultures and Empires across the multitude of Universes shaped by Lord English's influence? Not to mention that he himself is part of that which he'd be wiping out. Of course he himself is likely immune due to the JuJu's power, but the Universe C he is trying to save is very much dependent upon English. Break that doll and its gone. |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jul 27, 2016 6:25:32 GMT
It's all one puppet though. It's just Li'l Cal further along in his time stream. The Li'l Cal in Dave's dream room was the same Li'l Cal he had in his house, just from a different point in time. And the crowbar doesn't just destroy something, it pulls it out of a time loop. The point of it is to negate a Juju's paradoxical effect. Ah so it's the 'Remove Lord English from existence' approach we're talking about then? Okay, I re-iterate my previous point about this plan: A lot of reality is contingent upon Lord English. Does John really have the right to sacrifice it all? To commit total annihilation on so many Races, Cultures and Empires across the multitude of Universes shaped by Lord English's influence? Not to mention that he himself is part of that which he'd be wiping out. Of course he himself is likely immune due to the JuJu's power, but the Universe C he is trying to save is very much dependent upon English. Break that doll and its gone. I'm not so sure Paradox Space isn't already going. There are cracks all throughout the furthest ring, there's a big black hole where the Green Sun used to be, (and Jade made a point of saying the Green Sun was probably real important) and for all we know English is still around and causing damage. There are various ways I see it all playing out, but one of the more likely scenarios to me is one where either PS is falling apart anyway and either destroying English (probably without even thinking about what the consequences will be) pushes it over the edge and everybody has to book with what they can before it takes them with it, or it's being destroyed anyway and they take out English before leaving the dying plain of existence. I kind of don't foresee any kind of 'plan' that leads to all that. |
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Post by obsidalicious on Jul 27, 2016 6:57:17 GMT
I'm not so sure Paradox Space isn't already going. There are cracks all throughout the furthest ring, there's a big black hole where the Green Sun used to be, (and Jade made a point of saying the Green Sun was probably real important) and for all we know English is still around and causing damage. There are various ways I see it all playing out, but one of the more likely scenarios to me is one where either PS is falling apart anyway and either destroying English (probably without even thinking about what the consequences will be) pushes it over the edge and everybody has to book with what they can before it takes them with it, or it's being destroyed anyway and they take out English before leaving the dying plain of existence. I kind of don't foresee any kind of 'plan' that leads to all that. Why would taking out English worsen the Destruction he's caused? In any case, I don't really see this as particularly strong evidence for the Totality of Reality falling apart. We're all assuming that the Cracks are bad, but why? What have the Cracks ever actually done? Stabilise the Space-Time of an infinitesimal area of paradox Space is their only known effect. As for the Green Sun, I really don't think it's nearly as important as people seem to think it is. We know that due to the unstable space that the Green Sun's light is not consistently shining on things, so it's not like it has to continually exist for every second of reality. On top of that, it's only actual effect is the First Guardians, who are a wholly incompetent bunch of Wildcard Weirdos I think we could do without. And the Blackhole: If that really was a threat, Doesn't that make Calliope the being we need to take a crowbar to? |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jul 27, 2016 8:36:57 GMT
I'm not so sure Paradox Space isn't already going. There are cracks all throughout the furthest ring, there's a big black hole where the Green Sun used to be, (and Jade made a point of saying the Green Sun was probably real important) and for all we know English is still around and causing damage. There are various ways I see it all playing out, but one of the more likely scenarios to me is one where either PS is falling apart anyway and either destroying English (probably without even thinking about what the consequences will be) pushes it over the edge and everybody has to book with what they can before it takes them with it, or it's being destroyed anyway and they take out English before leaving the dying plain of existence. I kind of don't foresee any kind of 'plan' that leads to all that. Why would taking out English worsen the Destruction he's caused? Because he's so interwoven into so many time lines now that taking him out could cause some problems. Just Jack using the crowbar on the safe released a wave of temporal energy and transported him to a 'highly unfavorable time line'. If destroying the doll does something similarly dramatic, then it could transport everyone to a time line where Paradox Space is falling apart, or just the paradoxes English's absence would cause could be the final straw that tears everything apart. In any case, I don't really see this as particularly strong evidence for the Totality of Reality falling apart. We're all assuming that the Cracks are bad, but why? What have the Cracks ever actually done? Stabilise the Space-Time of an infinitesimal area of paradox Space is their only known effect. As for the Green Sun, I really don't think it's nearly as important as people seem to think it is. We know that due to the unstable space that the Green Sun's light is not consistently shining on things, so it's not like it has to continually exist for every second of reality. On top of that, it's only actual effect is the First Guardians, who are a wholly incompetent bunch of Wildcard Weirdos I think we could do without. The cracks have never been treated as anything but ominous, and cracks in general are a sort of universal symbol of something breaking. But more than anything, the established pattern of the characters escaping a dying plain of existence strikes me as the biggest piece of evidence. It's a thematic consistency that would make for a great a dramatic event to end the comic on. First the kids and trolls had to escape from their homes, which were soon to be struck by meteors. Then both would have to work together to escape their respective doomed sessions. Then Roxy and John had to see their Denizens to escape their doomed time line. And that's without getting into Davesprite's history, and the sprites that stowed away on LOWAS. It's an event that keeps popping up throughout the story. And the Blackhole: If that really was a threat, Doesn't that make Calliope the being we need to take a crowbar to? Calliope isn't a Juju, and hitting her with the crowbar wouldn't magically seal up the black hole so I don't know what would be the point of that. |
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Post by obsidalicious on Jul 27, 2016 9:27:58 GMT
Because he's so interwoven into so many time lines now that taking him out could cause some problems. Just Jack using the crowbar on the safe released a wave of temporal energy and transported him to a 'highly unfavorable time line'. If destroying the doll does something similarly dramatic, then it could transport everyone to a time line where Paradox Space is falling apart, or just the paradoxes English's absence would cause could be the final straw that tears everything apart. This plan is starting to sound circular. They're escaping reality because it's failing. It's failing because English was eliminated. And English was eliminated so that they could Escape. Anyway, English's elimination wouldn't break reality. No matter how many Universes he influenced, his elimination would change just that, the Universes, not the Reality itself. It'd be like saying that deleting files off a computer will damage the hardware. Consider the consequences and implications of that Theme though: Every time this lot come up against a hardship, they just run away and in the process find themselves in an even worse situation. And these are the people that Sburb calls its "Heroes"? That's why I subscribe to the English Wins theory. Not just because English is still around, not just because he's powerful, but because that power is unchallenged. None of our so-called protagonoists seem to give a rat's ass about English. Even at the very end of the Story when they're theoretically at their best and the Retcon supposedly fixed all of their personal problems, even then they're still half-assing the Hero shtick: Dave is trying to cheese his prophecy away by fighting Union jack instead of English proper and all of them just peace the fuck out after just dealing to the minions and thugs. Now you could say that this lot never wanted to be heroes, they just wanted a home, and to be silly, awkward teenagers, and you'd have a good point, but that only further cements the English Wins sentiment. If at any point, this lot had tryed to take on the challenge and died anyway, well then at least their deaths would've stopped the villain pile from getting any taller, and then at the very least well could call them Heroes in the sense that they sacrificed themselves for the greater good. The crowbar is still a crowbar. Blunt force trauma is still a ting. Just use John's retcons to get her before she does the black hole. |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jul 28, 2016 19:31:09 GMT
Because he's so interwoven into so many time lines now that taking him out could cause some problems. Just Jack using the crowbar on the safe released a wave of temporal energy and transported him to a 'highly unfavorable time line'. If destroying the doll does something similarly dramatic, then it could transport everyone to a time line where Paradox Space is falling apart, or just the paradoxes English's absence would cause could be the final straw that tears everything apart. This plan is starting to sound circular. They're escaping reality because it's failing. It's failing because English was eliminated. And English was eliminated so that they could Escape. I didn't say anything about English being eliminated so that they could escape. I said destroying English could be what breaks Paradox Space apart and necessitates their escape. Anyway, English's elimination wouldn't break reality. No matter how many Universes he influenced, his elimination would change just that, the Universes, not the Reality itself. It'd be like saying that deleting files off a computer will damage the hardware. Since doomed time lines have been used through out the story to circumvent paradoxes, we don't actually know what happens if they become un-circumventable, via something like Li'l Cal being pried out of his circuitous time line with the crowbar. So we don't know that that wouldn't hurt Paradox Space. And his damage isn't just confined to Universes, as his rampage through the dreambubbles and slaughter of the Horrorterrors confirms. Consider the consequences and implications of that Theme though: Every time this lot come up against a hardship, they just run away and in the process find themselves in an even worse situation. And these are the people that Sburb calls its "Heroes"? . Yes, because there was never anything else they could do. What's a normal kid supposed to do about a pre-ordained barrage of meteors headed for their home? What were they supposed to do when through no fault of their own their session had become unwinnable? Not every good or compelling story is about a hero vanquishing a foe. There are plenty of quality stories wherein the heroes and/or heroines are people whose end goal is to flee their war torn country to get a better life for themselves or their families, or an abused man or woman or child escaping the house in which their abuse occurred, or someone trying to survive when a building they're in starts to collapse, or someone trapped somewhere remote when a natural disaster strikes. And Homestuck has fun playing with and subverting tropes anyway. The crowbar is still a crowbar. Blunt force trauma is still a ting. Just use John's retcons to get her before she does the black hole. In that case you wouldn't need the crowbar for that. You could use anything. Because anything can be used to cause blunt force trauma. That is not a special attribute of the crowbar. Although somehow I think trying to pull that on a player who can single handedly destroy the Green Sun wouldn't be that easy. |
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Post by obsidalicious on Jul 28, 2016 22:25:28 GMT
I didn't say anything about English being eliminated so that they could escape. I said destroying English could be what breaks Paradox Space apart and necessitates their escape. Did you not say they were escaping largely because paradox Space was falling apart? And did you not also say that Paradox Space's destruction would be greatly accelerated/finalised by English's elimination? Did you not also say that they'd take the Crowbar to Lil Cal to prevent English from gaining a foothold in their Blanc Space Retreat? The Crowbar takes care of Paradoxes like that. Slick used the Crowbar on Eggs' JuJu because all his duplicates were annoying him, but with the JuJu broken, those duplicates never were, thus Slick wouldn't have been compelled to break the JuJu. It's a variant of the classic Grandfather paradox, and the Crowbar seems to handle it just fine. Doing the same to Lil Cal, because the actions of Lil Cal compelled you to is just a larger scale version of the same thing. Add to that the Retcon-JuJu's power to absorb and nullify all sorts of otherwise lethal paradoxes, and I'm pretty sure we'd be fine. Yes, he damages stuff outside of universes, but that him doing that as an existing entity. I fail to see how Eliminating him would make more cracks appear or more HorrorTerros die. As I said, this interpretation of the Kids' intentions is perfectly acceptable, but it also strongly points to an English Wins hypothesis as the Kids continue their trend of avoiding big problems. Even if the kids do take a Crowbar to Lord English, apparently you believe that will Destroy literally everything except whatever tiny corner of Paradox Space John decides to take to the Blanc Space. Since, as far as we've been shown, English's Goal was wanton destruction, I'd say that's still a win for him. I just said Crowbar semi-seriously since that was in the discussion at that point. But you get the gist of it: Use a Retcon Rewrite to physically prevent her from destroying the Green Sun. I also don't think she's so unstoppable just because she made a black hole. She's still a teenager of flesh and blood. John was able to draw blood from a God Tiered Caliborn with just his fists after all. |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jul 29, 2016 0:09:31 GMT
I didn't say anything about English being eliminated so that they could escape. I said destroying English could be what breaks Paradox Space apart and necessitates their escape. Did you not say they were escaping largely because paradox Space was falling apart? And did you not also say that Paradox Space's destruction would be greatly accelerated/finalised by English's elimination? Did you not also say that they'd take the Crowbar to Lil Cal to prevent English from gaining a foothold in their Blanc Space Retreat? Yes. I don't believe they would have to confront him in order to escape. John can just do that now, and based on John's changes to the time line having no effect on Roxy while she was in there, it might even be safe from Li'l Cal. Obviously, that's a loose end I would rather see tied up rather than abandoned, but it's not keeping the characters there. They don't care about it. The Crowbar takes care of Paradoxes like that. Slick used the Crowbar on Eggs' JuJu because all his duplicates were annoying him, but with the JuJu broken, those duplicates never were, thus Slick wouldn't have been compelled to break the JuJu. It's a variant of the classic Grandfather paradox, and the Crowbar seems to handle it just fine. Doing the same to Lil Cal, because the actions of Lil Cal compelled you to is just a larger scale version of the same thing. Add to that the Retcon-JuJu's power to absorb and nullify all sorts of otherwise lethal paradoxes, and I'm pretty sure we'd be fine. Eggs's paradoxes were much, much, much smaller scale than a English's would be, and were only present so far as we saw in one world of one Universe. And they had Stitch around to....uh...stitch up space time to cover Eggs's tracks anyway, which he was doing when everybody busted in on him. As I said, this interpretation of the Kids' intentions is perfectly acceptable, but it also strongly points to an English Wins hypothesis as the Kids continue their trend of avoiding big problems. Even if the kids do take a Crowbar to Lord English, apparently you believe that will Destroy literally everything except whatever tiny corner of Paradox Space John decides to take to the Blanc Space. Since, as far as we've been shown, English's Goal was wanton destruction, I'd say that's still a win for him. That depends on a lot of things. There's still some things about English the last couple of acts refused to tell us, and due to the magnificent lack of character development English himself has gotten, we actually don't know if English even has motives. But even if he did and you're right, I don't really care if English 'wins' or not. And escaping English's time loop counts as a win for the kids too anyway. I just said Crowbar semi-seriously since that was in the discussion at that point. But you get the gist of it: Use a Retcon Rewrite to physically prevent her from destroying the Green Sun. I also don't think she's so unstoppable just because she made a black hole. She's still a teenager of flesh and blood. John was able to draw blood from a God Tiered Caliborn with just his fists after all. It's a little hard to tell on the internet sometimes. But she's not quite flesh and blood, being dead and all. I mean, blood maybe, based on Meenah after Jake's beatdown. But you get the idea. |
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Post by Blaperile on Aug 6, 2016 8:50:10 GMT
IDE/Theory:
At the end of Act 7, the Kids and Trolls succesfully entered the end door. There the God Tiers (AKA the 8 Kids) spent a while (3 years?) relaxing, building up Can Town, and training.
When they believed they were strong enough, they decided to take on Caliborn, like John and Roxy had been planning to. So John zapped them all to Caliborn, but then the events of the Masterpiece happened, with Caliborn trapping the B1 Kids in the Plot Hole, and the B2 Kids fighting him and stuffing Caliborn, Arquiusprite and Gamzee into Lil Cal.
When Vriska used the Plot Hole against Lord English, the B1 Kids were released. In the meantime, the B2 Kids, being trapped in Caliborn's session, decided they had no choice but head into the Furthest Ring. This caused them to end up at the Dreambubble showdown against Lord English as well (possible alternative: Aradia retrieved them after she headed back into the Furthest Ring in Act 7).
Finally, John, Rose, Dave, Jade, Jane, Roxy, Dirk, Jake, Davepetasprite^2, Aradia, Tavros, Vriska, Meenah and the remaining ghost army fight Lord English for the last time. Eventually Davepetasprite^2 uses their Rogue of Heart powers (possibly combined with Dirk's Prince of Heart powers?) to rip the souls of Caliborn, Gamzee, Equius and Auto-Responder out of Lord English. The army overwhelms Caliborn and Gamzee, while Equius and Auto-Responder (possibly still as Arquiusprite?) join the heroes again. Caliborn and Gamzee get pocketed into the black hole, possibly causing the hole to shut down and disappear?
Then, Jane (possibly together with other God Tier Heroes of Life) does an incredible Lifey thing and revives the remaining ghosts.
And after that, once it's all over, John uses his powers to zap everyone to Earth, where they all meet up again with Karkat and everyone else they'd left behind there, and continue to enjoy a peaceful life.
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Post by obsidalicious on Aug 6, 2016 9:24:16 GMT
IDE/Theory: At the end of Act 7, the Kids and Trolls succesfully entered the end door. There the God Tiers (AKA the 8 Kids) spent a while (3 years?) relaxing, building up Can Town, and training. When they believed they were strong enough, they decided to take on Caliborn, like John and Roxy had been planning to. So John zapped them all to Caliborn, but then the events of the Masterpiece happened, with Caliborn trapping the B1 Kids in the Plot Hole, and the B2 Kids fighting him and stuffing Caliborn, Arquiusprite and Gamzee into Lil Cal. When Vriska used the Plot Hole against Lord English, the B1 Kids were released. In the meantime, the B2 Kids, being trapped in Caliborn's session, decided they had no choice but head into the Furthest Ring. This caused them to end up at the Dreambubble showdown against Lord English as well (possible alternative: Aradia retrieved them after she headed back into the Furthest Ring in Act 7). Finally, John, Rose, Dave, Jade, Jane, Roxy, Dirk, Jake, Davepetasprite^2, Aradia, Tavros, Vriska, Meenah and the remaining ghost army fight Lord English for the last time. Eventually Davepetasprite^2 uses their Rogue of Heart powers (possibly combined with Dirk's Prince of Heart powers?) to rip the souls of Caliborn, Gamzee, Equius and Auto-Responder out of Lord English. The army overwhelms Caliborn and Gamzee, while Equius and Auto-Responder (possibly still as Arquiusprite?) join the heroes again. Caliborn and Gamzee get pocketed into the black hole, possibly causing the hole to shut down and disappear? Then, Jane (possibly together with other God Tier Heroes of Life) does an incredible Lifey thing and revives the remaining ghosts. And after that, once it's all over, John uses his powers to zap everyone to Earth, where they all meet up again with Karkat and everyone else they'd left behind there, and continue to enjoy a peaceful life. That's a lot of content happening after the very definite 'The End'. This could be rephrased as "IDE: Hussie is working on an entire sequel to Homestuck" |
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Post by Gab on Aug 9, 2016 15:48:30 GMT
Huh, maybe I should actually give this thread a chance, considering I've been going pretty crazy with theories as of late.
Speaking of sequel to Homestuck, here's a pretty crazy theory. That rift in paradox space that Calliope opened up to defeat Lord English seems pretty huge. Spatially, as well as by measure of significance. It's a little unclear, but it SEEMS to me like it might slowly be growing, feeding even on the void itself, leaving true absence in its wake (which is a stupid thing to say, but whatever). Absence that, in a sense, has been seen before by the visually similar blanc space John briefly traveled to during the retcon.
Well, I guess it doesn't really count as theory so much as... wishful thinking? But it would be sort of interesting to get another perspective on that. Within the same continuity as Homestuck, but dealing with a whole other set of characters, who's story begins with the mysterious and unexplained appearance of the rift, and dealing with the fate of paradox space. I think there is enough unexplained about the situation that this could happen. But then again it might be Homestuck's answer to your standard apocalyptic final battle scenarios. Paradox Space's own ragnarok.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Aug 11, 2016 12:34:23 GMT
Huh, maybe I should actually give this thread a chance, considering I've been going pretty crazy with theories as of late. Speaking of sequel to Homestuck, here's a pretty crazy theory. That rift in paradox space that Calliope opened up to defeat Lord English seems pretty huge. Spatially, as well as by measure of significance. It's a little unclear, but it SEEMS to me like it might slowly be growing, feeding even on the void itself, leaving true absence in its wake (which is a stupid thing to say, but whatever). Absence that, in a sense, has been seen before by the visually similar blanc space John briefly traveled to during the retcon. Well, I guess it doesn't really count as theory so much as... wishful thinking? But it would be sort of interesting to get another perspective on that. Within the same continuity as Homestuck, but dealing with a whole other set of characters, who's story begins with the mysterious and unexplained appearance of the rift, and dealing with the fate of paradox space. I think there is enough unexplained about the situation that this could happen. But then again it might be Homestuck's answer to your standard apocalyptic final battle scenarios. Paradox Space's own ragnarok. I don't remember anything suggesting that the black hole was a rift in Paradox Space. |
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Post by loading on Aug 11, 2016 13:18:20 GMT
Except for the whole thing where shards of empty Paradox space are sucked into it?
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Post by Gab on Aug 11, 2016 16:38:28 GMT
I am trying to be loose in my description of it, but it is quite apparently something beyond an ordinary hole. A gap which appears to suck in space itself, which shouldn't even physically be possible, but there you go.
I mean, maybe it's not anything. I can't decide whether it's spreading or not. I THINK it stops at the ring of cracks, but at the same time a whole flurry of new cracks seem to appear spontaneously after its appearance. At worst, this would mean eventually the entire dimension will be destroyed, which would be bad. At best, it grows no bigger and is just a peculiar feature looming in the vast darkness, kind of like the Green Sun was, but without powering any omnipotent beings anywhere. And maybe potentially being Lord English's prison.
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Post by ashercrane on Aug 12, 2016 1:30:25 GMT
If the entire dimension were destroyed, wouldn't future sburb games be impossible? I mean all the current sessions were in the same space, reletively.
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Post by loading on Aug 12, 2016 4:54:48 GMT
If the entire dimension were destroyed, wouldn't future sburb games be impossible? I mean all the current sessions were in the same space, reletively. Why would a side effect prevent an event from taking place? |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Aug 12, 2016 10:51:57 GMT
Except for the whole thing where shards of empty Paradox space are sucked into it? Why would that make it a rift in Paradox Space? |
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Post by loading on Aug 12, 2016 14:26:42 GMT
Except for the whole thing where shards of empty Paradox space are sucked into it? Why would that make it a rift in Paradox Space? Well if the ultimate lowest-level medium of existence is shattered and then the pieces are ripped away, what do YOU call it? |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Aug 14, 2016 8:30:06 GMT
Why would that make it a rift in Paradox Space? Well if the ultimate lowest-level medium of existence is shattered and then the pieces are ripped away, what do YOU call it? I don't know what I'd call it, but there's more than one reference to a 'rift' in different parts of Homestuck, and even a big black hole where the Green Sun used to be doesn't feel like a big enough payoff to be that rift. I would think a rift would probably be a tear in Paradox Space, opening it up to whatever's on the other side (the blanc space?) and the black hole doesn't appear to be that from what we see of it. That could just be me though. |
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Post by loading on Aug 14, 2016 18:21:34 GMT
But that's what happens in Act 7. Exactly that.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Aug 15, 2016 5:09:58 GMT
But that's what happens in Act 7. Exactly that. ....What? |
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Post by loading on Aug 15, 2016 16:20:50 GMT
We see black space ripped up and sucked into a black hole, exposing white space.
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Post by obsidalicious on Aug 15, 2016 21:58:12 GMT
We see black space ripped up and sucked into a black hole, exposing white space. I see shards of the collapsing Dream Bubbles being pulled into the glowing accretion disc of the Black Hole. |
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Post by melonlord on Aug 15, 2016 22:13:23 GMT
We see black space ripped up and sucked into a black hole, exposing white space. I see shards of the collapsing Dream Bubbles being pulled into the glowing accretion disc of the Black Hole. The accretion disc is the material being pulled into a black hole, though. Why is the disc glowing white when it's sucking in the apparently black material of the dreambubbles? What is being accreted? Why is Aradia able to float inside it? And why can we see the shards at all, if they're becoming part of the accretion disc? I think it actually is a hole in reality. |
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