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Post by knightofvoid on Dec 16, 2016 20:40:50 GMT
Alright, guys, Ashercrane is right, let's keep this MSPA-only from now on. Yep, back on topic. Here's another unpopular opinion: [*]I don't like what Hussie did with the kids Exiles. They were all given an obsessive personality (justice, mail, democracy, bringing BN to justice), were given a plan (retreat for now and try to beat BN later) and then Cascade came around and... 3/5 of them were slaughtered. Like, you could potentially justify WQ and WK for barely having any personality and screentime, but AR's death was about as meaningless as Spades' in Collide. It just happened, without any fanfare or any post-murder reaction from PM (WV was otherwise occupied, so it's likely he doesn't even know AR is dead). The post scratch 'Exiles' are even worse. They are build up like this huge thing, with Roxy being raised by them and one of them even potentially wielding The Crowbar (or at least a crowbar). Then she enters the session... and they just become totally irrelevant to the plot. It pisses me of so much how much Hussie seems to revel in the abuse of these chess aliens. And don't even get me started on the uneventful death of Spades and the rest of the crew.
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Post by The One Guy on Dec 16, 2016 21:22:08 GMT
Here's another unpopular opinion: [*]I don't like what Hussie did with the kids Exiles. They were all given an obsessive personality (justice, mail, democracy, bringing BN to justice), were given a plan (retreat for now and try to beat BN later) and then Cascade came around and... 3/5 of them were slaughtered. Like, you could potentially justify WQ and WK for barely having any personality and screentime, but AR's death was about as meaningless as Spades' in Collide. It just happened, without any fanfare or any post-murder reaction from PM (WV was otherwise occupied, so it's likely he doesn't even know AR is dead). The post scratch 'Exiles' are even worse. They are build up like this huge thing, with Roxy being raised by them and one of them even potentially wielding The Crowbar (or at least a crowbar). Then she enters the session... and they just become totally irrelevant to the plot. It pisses me of so much how much Hussie seems to revel in the abuse of these chess aliens. And don't even get me started on the uneventful death of Spades and the rest of the crew.
To go even further, back, it bugged me when the fourth exile was revealed to be the White Queen. We had a democratic government, law enforcement, and communication, and then ... a queen? With her arrival suddenly the whole system got thrown out and replaced, and even WV who was very clearly anti-monarchy, didn't really seem to care. I don't know how unpopular that oppinion is, though, as I've never really seen it brought up either way. One related oppinion I do feel is unpoular though, is that I feel like WV should have stayed dead. He provided nothing to the story after Cascade aside from just being I guy that was there (I guess the scene where Dave rescues him from Grimbark Jade would have to be rewitten, but that's about it), and all the compleities of his characters was completely forgotten. It didn't help that he basically had to pull a method of resurrection out of nowhere to save him.
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Post by cookiefonster on Dec 17, 2016 1:25:19 GMT
Alright, guys, Ashercrane is right, let's keep this MSPA-only from now on. Yep, back on topic. Here's another unpopular opinion: [/sup]And don't even get me started on the uneventful death of Spades and the rest of the crew.[/ul][/quote]That isn't unpopular at all.
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Post by TrickleJest on Dec 18, 2016 9:16:27 GMT
Yep, back on topic. Here's another unpopular opinion: [/sup]And don't even get me started on the uneventful death of Spades and the rest of the crew.[/ul][/quote]That isn't unpopular at all.[/quote]I'm very emotionally connected to Homestuck, so I was very said when AR died.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Dec 19, 2016 10:33:01 GMT
Okay I'm aware that we've moved on from the topic of feminism in troll society but there's one thing I want to point out, which technically I can since I think it's an unpopular opinion.
I don't know about sexism in troll society, but I do think that the gender norms that humans have still apply to trolls. This is mainly because of some of the things that Terezi and Vriska have said in act 5 that I've picked up on on my second read. Terezi mentions about Dave 'crying like a girl' at one point, and Vriska says to Karkat something about 'not talking to a lady about her hygiene' and also talks to a male troll (I think it was Karkat again?) about 'getting kicked by a bunch of ladies'. Eh to me these comments seem to reflect gender norms, but if you think otherwise then I'd happily listen.
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Post by LunaWillow on Dec 19, 2016 12:53:33 GMT
Okay I'm aware that we've moved on from the topic of feminism in troll society but there's one thing I want to point out, which technically I can since I think it's an unpopular opinion. I don't know about sexism in troll society, but I do think that the gender norms that humans have still apply to trolls. This is mainly because of some of the things that Terezi and Vriska have said in act 5 that I've picked up on on my second read. Terezi mentions about Dave 'crying like a girl' at one point, and Vriska says to Karkat something about 'not talking to a lady about her hygiene' and also talks to a male troll (I think it was Karkat again?) about 'getting kicked by a bunch of ladies'. Eh to me these comments seem to reflect gender norms, but if you think otherwise then I'd happily listen. I'd honestly just blame it on Hussie overlooking the fact that these are aliens and not humans. I highly doubt he wrote thise lines with intent to show troll gender bias.
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Post by drifloon on Dec 20, 2016 9:17:47 GMT
Also IIRC most of those comments are in early act 5, before much of the lore around the trolls was solidified? Like, there's also some weird heteronormative phrasing in the trolls' dialogue in Hivebent (like Karkat saying something to Sollux like "has a female ever looked at you" to imply he's unattractive, or Eridan referring to Kanaya's thing for Vriska as a "girl crush" in a way that seems derogatory), but then that seems to be mostly phased out once Hussie decided on trolls being bisexual by default.
It mostly just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense that trolls would have human gender norms because, like, the dominating empress who has always ruled them is female, men and women both go on to become soldiers as adults, females don't seem to be physically (or psychically) weaker, the correlation of femininity with motherhood/childbearing/etc shouldn't really exist, etc. In a world where everyone is raised to be tough as nails and "survival of the fittest" reigns and there is essentially no societal role for either sex that doesn't revolve around fighting in one way or another, it's weird to then assign a stereotypical role of delicacy and fragility to half the population. But I suppose the argument that it doesn't make sense might not be enough to prove that Hussie didn't still intend it, especially considering that A6I3 dialogue with Latula and Porrim seems to imply it. I think it's pretty lazy to port human gender roles on to trolls whether it was intentional or not, though.
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Post by amiabletemplar on Dec 20, 2016 14:16:30 GMT
Here's an "unpopular" opinion, in the sense that I don't really think very many people care/consider it, rather than that it's disliked:
I think it's ridiculous that the Alternian trolls didn't all god tier the moment they realized it was possible (excluding Aradia, since she thought she was already dead and thus presumably beyond saving). They're explicitly cutthroat, they chewed through their denizens without listening to anything they said (even Tavros!), and they had a decent amount of time between Vriska's resurrection and the Black King fight, to say nothing of the time between said fight and the Vast Croak, or attempting to claim the reward. Yet another instance of the trolls having inconsistent priorities and ideas. Vriska even knew that all she had to do was die on the stone circle--so it's not like the other trolls couldn't have known (and their sprites would surely have helped with that).
We should've had twelve god-tier trolls coming in to help the kids. Or at least several god-tiers, if some had qualified as "dying heroically" (perhaps stalling BN so the others could transportalize away?) Hell, it would've been FAR BETTER narrative arcs for the characters in question! Imagine if GT Eridan and Tavros had teamed up to stall BN while the others escape. That would've been awesome, and much, much, MUCH better than the drek we got for Tavros (and the NOTHING WHATSOEVER we got for Eridan). You could even still have kept the "Eridan betrayal" stuff--if BN just totally stomped on Tavros and beat Eridan within an inch of his life, he could have ACTUALLY tried to strike a deal ("Spare me and I'll show you where the others went!") to show that he's not nearly as heroic as he seemed, and yet also had REASONS for thinking BN might spare their lives!
It just...ugh. The whole thing just feels jarring, inconsistent, and poorly done compared to what could have been.
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Post by cookiefonster on Dec 20, 2016 15:45:50 GMT
Here's an "unpopular" opinion, in the sense that I don't really think very many people care/consider it, rather than that it's disliked: I think it's ridiculous that the Alternian trolls didn't all god tier the moment they realized it was possible (excluding Aradia, since she thought she was already dead and thus presumably beyond saving). They're explicitly cutthroat, they chewed through their denizens without listening to anything they said (even Tavros!), and they had a decent amount of time between Vriska's resurrection and the Black King fight, to say nothing of the time between said fight and the Vast Croak, or attempting to claim the reward. Yet another instance of the trolls having inconsistent priorities and ideas. Vriska even knew that all she had to do was die on the stone circle--so it's not like the other trolls couldn't have known (and their sprites would surely have helped with that). We should've had twelve god-tier trolls coming in to help the kids. Or at least several god-tiers, if some had qualified as "dying heroically" (perhaps stalling BN so the others could transportalize away?) Hell, it would've been FAR BETTER narrative arcs for the characters in question! Imagine if GT Eridan and Tavros had teamed up to stall BN while the others escape. That would've been awesome, and much, much, MUCH better than the drek we got for Tavros (and the NOTHING WHATSOEVER we got for Eridan). You could even still have kept the "Eridan betrayal" stuff--if BN just totally stomped on Tavros and beat Eridan within an inch of his life, he could have ACTUALLY tried to strike a deal ("Spare me and I'll show you where the others went!") to show that he's not nearly as heroic as he seemed, and yet also had REASONS for thinking BN might spare their lives! It just...ugh. The whole thing just feels jarring, inconsistent, and poorly done compared to what could have been. Is BN supposed to be Bec Noir? Also, on this page Vriska chalks up the lack of god tiers to the trolls simply working together too much, and not killing each other much or anything due to the teams turning out to mean nothing.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Dec 20, 2016 23:38:49 GMT
They're explicitly cutthroat, they chewed through their denizens without listening to anything they said (even Tavros!), I still think Tavros talked to and maybe made a deal with his Denizen.
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Post by thedude3445 on Jan 11, 2017 9:14:05 GMT
Troll gender roles and culture seems to make no sense but maybe we'll get a clearer picture of what it's like when Hivebent comes out! I'm looking forward to it if only for seeing Alternia up close.
Unpopular (?) opinion: I would much, much have preferred the alternate side to Hivebent (Houseswitched?) first; playing as a troll stuck on Earth in the 1990s sounds really fun, and could be a good riff on the many, many "fish out of water in modern America" family movies from the late 80s and 90s.
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Post by sylandrophol on Jan 13, 2017 2:05:34 GMT
i don't like vriskagram
it was too overly happy, vriska solved everything by being there, it introduced ships with no support or buildup, just nothing.
one second they didn't exist, and whammo now they exist
and it's TOO FUCKING HAPPY NO THIS IS NOT HOMESTUCK I REFUSE THIS IS A ACTUAL FLASH PAGE IN HOMESTUCK
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Post by The One Guy on Jan 13, 2017 16:06:34 GMT
i don't like vriskagram it was too overly happy, vriska solved everything by being there, it introduced ships with no support or buildup, just nothing. one second they didn't exist, and whammo now they exist and it's TOO FUCKING HAPPY NO THIS IS NOT HOMESTUCK I REFUSE THIS IS A ACTUAL FLASH PAGE IN HOMESTUCK You have an odd definition of "unpopular."
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Post by TrickleJest on Jan 20, 2017 14:45:33 GMT
i don't like vriskagram it was too overly happy, vriska solved everything by being there, it introduced ships with no support or buildup, just nothing. one second they didn't exist, and whammo now they exist and it's TOO FUCKING HAPPY NO THIS IS NOT HOMESTUCK I REFUSE THIS IS A ACTUAL FLASH PAGE IN HOMESTUCK You have an odd definition of "unpopular." Anything involving Vriska cannot be unpopular. Half the fandom hates her, half loves her.
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Post by ashercrane on Jan 20, 2017 20:43:01 GMT
There is no such thing as an unpopular oppinion about Vriska. No such thing as a popular one either, honestly. Whatever you think of Vriska, a not-insignificant number of people will hate you for it. I'm getting Deja vu.
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Post by melonlord on Jan 20, 2017 23:01:29 GMT
No such thing as a popular one either, honestly. Whatever you think of Vriska, a not-insignificant number of people will hate you for it. I'm getting Deja vu. Well that's just classic Serket's Law: As any conversation about homestuck continues, the probability of it becoming about Vriska approaches 1.
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Post by thedude3445 on Feb 1, 2017 15:15:17 GMT
Back in the Olden Days, ships started naturally and constantly; pretty much anytime two characters had a pesterlog, a new ship started up with copious amounts of fanart to support it, which I was very fine with because the only shipping wars were Daverezi/KarJade vs DaveJade/Karezi (the latter being infinitely better). But partway through Act 6 Hussie started throwing in a bunch of shipping in I guess to try and fuel the fandom fires, but I thought nearly all of them, especially the ones in the Vriska Facebook flash, were really forced. Nothing for or against Vriska herself but Vriska x Meenah sucked. Too much Trolls: The Sitcom that further slowed down the pace of an already-stagnant story (everything past Act 6-3 could have been done in five or six hundred pages rather than the 2300 it actually took).
Unpopular opinion: Nepeta is still alive and was never killed by Gamzee, surviving through a series of complex machinations, even past the retcon, in a way that none of the other characters ever noticed (besides the ones who would never admit it due to playing coy all the time), staying in the shadows for the rest of the comic. Irrefutable, but unpopular nonetheless.
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Post by The One Guy on Feb 1, 2017 16:06:44 GMT
I'd rather Hiveswap come out all at once than in episodes like it is. I realize that would mean waiting a lot longer for it to come out, but I'd rather have one big wait than a bunch of smaller waits between episodes. I also realize that I can always just not play it until all the episodes are out, but then I can't react alongside the fandom, and would have to avoid spoilers. Unpopular opinion: Nepeta is still alive and was never killed by Gamzee, surviving through a series of complex machinations, even past the retcon, in a way that none of the other characters ever noticed (besides the ones who would never admit it due to playing coy all the time), staying in the shadows for the rest of the comic. Irrefutable, but unpopular nonetheless. That's not so much an unpopular opinion as it is an unpopular theory.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Feb 2, 2017 5:09:28 GMT
Back in the Olden Days, ships started naturally and constantly; pretty much anytime two characters had a pesterlog, a new ship started up with copious amounts of fanart to support it, which I was very fine with because the only shipping wars were Daverezi/KarJade vs DaveJade/Karezi (the latter being infinitely better). But partway through Act 6 Hussie started throwing in a bunch of shipping in I guess to try and fuel the fandom fires, but I thought nearly all of them, especially the ones in the Vriska Facebook flash, were really forced. Nothing for or against Vriska herself but Vriska x Meenah sucked. Too much Trolls: The Sitcom that further slowed down the pace of an already-stagnant story (everything past Act 6-3 could have been done in five or six hundred pages rather than the 2300 it actually took). Unpopular opinion: Nepeta is still alive and was never killed by Gamzee, surviving through a series of complex machinations, even past the retcon, in a way that none of the other characters ever noticed (besides the ones who would never admit it due to playing coy all the time), staying in the shadows for the rest of the comic. Irrefutable, but unpopular nonetheless. I will still not get how JohnRoxy came to be tbh. Like, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure JohnRoxy used to be a popular crack ship which seemed to appear randomly from out of the blue. They never spoke to each other once and I think people just imagined that their personalities would go together nicely or something? And it was popular enough for Hussie to notice so he started hinting it in the comic? I swear that's how it all started. And if that is indeed how it started, then that just seems like baiting and fan service from Hussie's part tbh. I guess not liking JohnRoxy and not understanding how it came to be is an unpopular opinion. I do think that they have good chemistry after seeing them interact, but I think it could have been handled so much better than it did (like maybe not have Roxy larch onto John instantly out of desperation).
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Post by amiabletemplar on Feb 2, 2017 17:18:17 GMT
Back in the Olden Days, ships started naturally and constantly; pretty much anytime two characters had a pesterlog, a new ship started up with copious amounts of fanart to support it, which I was very fine with because the only shipping wars were Daverezi/KarJade vs DaveJade/Karezi (the latter being infinitely better). But partway through Act 6 Hussie started throwing in a bunch of shipping in I guess to try and fuel the fandom fires, but I thought nearly all of them, especially the ones in the Vriska Facebook flash, were really forced. Nothing for or against Vriska herself but Vriska x Meenah sucked. Too much Trolls: The Sitcom that further slowed down the pace of an already-stagnant story (everything past Act 6-3 could have been done in five or six hundred pages rather than the 2300 it actually took). Unpopular opinion: Nepeta is still alive and was never killed by Gamzee, surviving through a series of complex machinations, even past the retcon, in a way that none of the other characters ever noticed (besides the ones who would never admit it due to playing coy all the time), staying in the shadows for the rest of the comic. Irrefutable, but unpopular nonetheless. I will still not get how JohnRoxy came to be tbh. Like, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure JohnRoxy used to be a popular crack ship which seemed to appear randomly from out of the blue. They never spoke to each other once and I think people just imagined that their personalities would go together nicely or something? And it was popular enough for Hussie to notice so he started hinting it in the comic? I swear that's how it all started. And if that is indeed how it started, then that just seems like baiting and fan service from Hussie's part tbh. I guess not liking JohnRoxy and not understanding how it came to be is an unpopular opinion. I do think that they have good chemistry after seeing them interact, but I think it could have been handled so much better than it did (like maybe not have Roxy larch onto John instantly out of desperation). Well, we'd need to have the forum to do any real testing of this theory, but for my part at least, I liked John and Roxy as a couple because: 1. John is available, and has explicitly stated that he is heterosexual. 2. Roxy is available, and really wants a relationship, but is frustrated with the options available (implicitly, because she is also heterosexual, though I don't think she ever explicitly said so). 3. They have certain characteristics in common (sincere joy in their favorite subjects; video games; quirky senses of humor), and certain complimentary characteristics (he's gullible, she's coy; he's flighty, she's grounded). 4. John clearly felt a little flustered (implication: attracted to her) when they first met, and Roxy was quite clear (to the audience) that she found him attractive too. 5. I thought it was funny that John would, technically speaking, "marry" Dave's mom. (When Dave then expressed attraction to Jane, the beautiful circle was complete, and the non-Homestuck troll in my heart wept tears of joy.) I didn't think of them as much of anything until their first meeting in the comic. It felt natural--Roxy's always been something of a flirt, so of course she'd flirt with the new guy too--and I thought it would make them both happy. That's all that ever really mattered to me. "Unpopular" opinion: Both of the Amporas were sleazy, disgusting people, and Eridan got exactly what he deserved. (Cronus deserved to be dipped in molten sodium, but alas, only clockwork majjykks and Reading Gaol can kill the dead.) I say "unpopular" because, I kid you not, I've literally never seen one person--that isn't a personal friend of mine, anyway--speak ill of Cronus (who is a goddamn sex predator). And I've seen more fics/animations/comics/etc. than I can count featuring Eridan as an astoundingly attractive woobie victim of circumstance, usually somehow being simultaneously innocent and trying to bang Sollux (don't ask me how that works or makes any sense, because I don't know.) Somehow, Hussie managed to make an utterly repulsive sex offender a well-liked character. And this is with the Homestuck fandom, which is (supposedly) super big on the social justice issues. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife (but I wouldn't, it tends to bleed everywhere).
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Post by The One Guy on Feb 2, 2017 18:18:04 GMT
"Unpopular" opinion: Both of the Amporas were sleazy, disgusting people, and Eridan got exactly what he deserved. (Cronus deserved to be dipped in molten sodium, but alas, only clockwork majjykks and Reading Gaol can kill the dead.) I say "unpopular" because, I kid you not, I've literally never seen one person--that isn't a personal friend of mine, anyway--speak ill of Cronus (who is a goddamn sex predator). And I've seen more fics/animations/comics/etc. than I can count featuring Eridan as an astoundingly attractive woobie victim of circumstance, usually somehow being simultaneously innocent and trying to bang Sollux (don't ask me how that works or makes any sense, because I don't know.) Somehow, Hussie managed to make an utterly repulsive sex offender a well-liked character. And this is with the Homestuck fandom, which is (supposedly) super big on the social justice issues. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife (but I wouldn't, it tends to bleed everywhere). I've seen poeple who like Eridan, but just about everyone hates Cronus. I feel like the main reason you havent't seen people speak ill of Cronus, is because people rarely talk about Cronus at all. In any case, my own related unpopular oppinion: Kurloz is worse than Cronus. Molesting people is bad, but mind-controlling and manipulating them is even worse.
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Post by amiabletemplar on Feb 3, 2017 16:46:59 GMT
I've seen poeple who like Eridan, but just about everyone hates Cronus. I feel like the main reason you havent't seen people speak ill of Cronus, is because people rarely talk about Cronus at all. No, that's...not it. I have literally heard people say that Cronus is fine, while Rufioh is the absolute scum of the earth and should be hated by everyone in the fandom. And when I replied that Cronus sexually assaulted a mentally handicapped person, they brushed it off. Of course, this was back on the old forum, so I can't provide *evidence* that this exchange occurred (or, rather, I don't feel like going to the effort of scouring the Internet Archive backup of the old forum on the slim chance that this one post was saved). But I give you my word that it actually did happen, and that someone insisted that Cronus was just a misunderstood, struggling young man and deserved love and recognition, while Rufioh was literally the worst troll, morally speaking. Hmm. On the one hand, I can agree that it's probably a worse form of violation--having your very will, not simply your agency, taken from you. But on the other hand, the only person being controlled (IIRC?) is Meulin, and she seems to be blissfully ignorant of the times she's being controlled. I guess what I'm saying is, while it's still a truly, deeply terrible thing, Meulin doesn't really suffer because of Kurloz, but it seems pretty clear that Mituna suffers because of Cronus. I'm not generally a utilitarian, but in this case, I think I kind of have to argue that sexually molesting a mentally handicapped person is worse than "invisibly" mind-controlling an otherwise-normal person. While the shock of learning it would certainly sting, Meulin wouldn't need therapy the way Mituna would; you can't be treated for events that are literally impossible for you to remember happening, after all. Post-scratch Aranea--that is, the REAL Marquise Mindfang--would be a different story. Because she both physically and mentally assaults the Dolorosa, and we know the Dolorosa suffers for it (fear, and fear of fear, and fear born from doubting her own perceptions and feelings), and Mindfang outright enjoys doing it. That's Seriously Fucked Up. No wonder Vriska wound up with such a twisted view of morality!
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Post by The One Guy on Feb 3, 2017 21:02:16 GMT
I've seen poeple who like Eridan, but just about everyone hates Cronus. I feel like the main reason you havent't seen people speak ill of Cronus, is because people rarely talk about Cronus at all. No, that's...not it. I have literally heard people say that Cronus is fine, while Rufioh is the absolute scum of the earth and should be hated by everyone in the fandom. And when I replied that Cronus sexually assaulted a mentally handicapped person, they brushed it off. Of course, this was back on the old forum, so I can't provide *evidence* that this exchange occurred (or, rather, I don't feel like going to the effort of scouring the Internet Archive backup of the old forum on the slim chance that this one post was saved). But I give you my word that it actually did happen, and that someone insisted that Cronus was just a misunderstood, struggling young man and deserved love and recognition, while Rufioh was literally the worst troll, morally speaking. Huh. I guess I'v ejust interacted with different members of the fandom than you. Though I have seen people talk about other people who find Rufioh to be terrible before, I've just never interacted with the people who actually do so. I guess I get where you're coming from, but, on the other hand, I feel like her lack of knowledge of it just makes things worse. It's hard to explain why I feel this way; I guess I just feel people have a right to know what's being done to them. I also worry about how far he can take things: Cronus did (eventually) relent and stop molesting Mituna, but Kurloz could be going all the way with outright brainwashing her and/or using her to hurt herself and others without realizing it. We don't actually know he does that, of course, but he is ultimately serving Lord English, and there are various hints that there's at least some amount of brainwashing going on. Well yeah, I think we can all agree Mindfang was a terrible person.
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Post by renegadeshroom on Feb 4, 2017 6:56:45 GMT
I will still not get how JohnRoxy came to be tbh. Like, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure JohnRoxy used to be a popular crack ship which seemed to appear randomly from out of the blue. They never spoke to each other once and I think people just imagined that their personalities would go together nicely or something? And it was popular enough for Hussie to notice so he started hinting it in the comic? I swear that's how it all started. And if that is indeed how it started, then that just seems like baiting and fan service from Hussie's part tbh. I guess not liking JohnRoxy and not understanding how it came to be is an unpopular opinion. I do think that they have good chemistry after seeing them interact, but I think it could have been handled so much better than it did (like maybe not have Roxy larch onto John instantly out of desperation). Well, we'd need to have the forum to do any real testing of this theory, but for my part at least, I liked John and Roxy as a couple because: 1. John is available, and has explicitly stated that he is heterosexual. 2. Roxy is available, and really wants a relationship, but is frustrated with the options available (implicitly, because she is also heterosexual, though I don't think she ever explicitly said so). 3. They have certain characteristics in common (sincere joy in their favorite subjects; video games; quirky senses of humor), and certain complimentary characteristics (he's gullible, she's coy; he's flighty, she's grounded). 4. John clearly felt a little flustered (implication: attracted to her) when they first met, and Roxy was quite clear (to the audience) that she found him attractive too. 5. I thought it was funny that John would, technically speaking, "marry" Dave's mom. (When Dave then expressed attraction to Jane, the beautiful circle was complete, and the non-Homestuck troll in my heart wept tears of joy.) Pedantic note, but I would point out that John never outright says he's heterosexual, only that he is "not a homosexual". I mean, from the context I think it's pretty easy to infer that he didn't mean he's bisexual, and I doubt that at the time Hussie had enough awareness to even consider asexuality, but John never actually explicitly says that he's straight. I'm 99% sure that the implication was that he was straight at the time that upd8 was posted, which is fairly obvious, but some of us are still able to safely slide in there with our aro/ace John headcanons without any contradiction to canon. :b Oh, uh, unpopular Homestuck opinion... John... is not a heterosexual?
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Post by sigh on Feb 6, 2017 5:07:24 GMT
I don't know what it was that reminded me of this but when I did it pissed me off so much thinking about it.
Does anyone else just find themselves completely unable to sympathize with Dave's character after the timeskip? Every other conversation he has with someone is some self-aggrandizing speech about something pseudo-intellectually "important", and is presented to the audience as if we're supposed to take what he's saying as gospel even though half of it is Tumblr-style new-age garbage, and at no point does anyone even for a second seriously challenge all the nonsense spewing from his mouth.
Not to mention the absolute trashing of Bro's character, never before have I seen a fandom collectively suck a character's dick one minute then treat them like the spawn of Satan the next, all because Dave decided while he was moping and navel-gazing on that rock that his Guardian, who somehow knew that Dave would be in a dangerous situation beforehand when it came to Sburb, taught him how to fight in a manner that as I recall served him pretty friggin well when he actually got to playing the game! Plus, if we were to take ALL of that generation's Guardians as serious as Dave did, everyone got a pretty rough time! Rose's mom is clearly unfit to be a parent, John's father's Strifes with his son utilizes a copious amount of hammers, and Jade had to stuff her own Grandfather and place him in the living room. All of that is pretty messed up, but only Bro has his character assassinated like what happened in the comic.
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