Post by mementovivere on Jun 15, 2016 14:10:48 GMT
Hmmmm. I'm thinking that maybe this shouldn't be a thread to DEBATE each other's opinions, since the inherent controversy of "unpopular opinions" would otherwise result in this thread mostly being flooded with arguments before too long. Feel free to debate something someone said in a PM though, or relocate the conversation to one of the main MSPA discussion threads!
The retcon (and the concept of a massive timeline split in general) was an interesting literary device, both dramatically and as a character development exercise, and the fact that they don't have the same memories as their Game Over versions doesn't make me less invested in them because it's still an exploration of the "ultimate" version of each character. (The main issue for me is just that the "catch up" after the retcon was kind of rushed.)
Davekat makes sense in retrospect even if it was unexpected, and is an interesting and intentional subversion of the traditional "two guys fight over a girl" love triangle trope.
Davesprite gaining his own unique identity via fusion was a perfectly fitting end for a character arc about someone whose main issue was feeling like an inferior copy of someone else.
The story has never tried to get across the message that Vriska can do no wrong, and the only person who was kissing Vriska's ass post-retcon was Tavrosprite--everyone else was clearly just putting up with her but had no better ideas themselves.
The victory in Collide was not too easy, it just feels that way because it was one of the few fights we've seen where they were evenly matched and where victory was actually achieved through extended combat, rather than being achieved by a convenient plot twist that overcomes otherwise insurmountable odds.
I gotta tell you, I was expecting a lot more negativity when I decided to plunge in here. I'm (happily) surprised to see several iterations on "[X] wasn't actually that bad."
Here's mine! Act 6 Intermission 3, the three Meenah walkarounds in particular, aren't just not bad. They're a high point in Homestuck overall. Getting to meet the pre-scratch ancestors through her eyes is ridiculously fun. Each one of them is amusing and interesting in their own ways, yet show signs of character depth that lend to the significance of their alternate selves, their future actions, or the potential they represent as the initial session of this extended chain of failures. Yes, even Cronus.
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I actually really like Jasprose. She's a really interesting continuation of GO!Rose's arc, and the part where her initial hyperactive enthusiasm finally wore off and she was forced to seriously confront what a depressing situation she was in was really memorable and had a lot of impact.
I love the sprites squared in general, in all honesty. By all rights they should have been ridiculously silly, but they were just written in a really authentic and believable way. That's one reason that the ending disappointed me so much; given how recently the sprites were introduced, I was assuming that it was a safe bet to look forward to seeing more of them at the very least, but there was barely anything.
Jane and Jake are fantastic characters, I do not understand the widespread dislike/apathy to them at all.
Seconding everything that banditAffiliate said about the dancestors. I love them, and that whole intermission. The Tumblr jokes were cringey, but I don't understand why people insist on letting that define that whole section of the comic when there was so much more in there.
Vriska's arc didn't suffer after she died at all; in fact, if anything, it got even more interesting to me for carrying on past the initial neat and predictable resolution. It also never went in circles, and she never "regressed to her Hivebent self" or anything like that. I dislike what happened with her post-retcon, though.
I don't believe for a second that Hussie was trying to make any kind of deep philosophical statement through the disappointing and/or non-existent resolution to a lot of things in the ending. I think he just got tired.
It's interesting that I agree with a good number of these. In fact, I probably am at least indifferent toward far more of the opinions here than I actively disagree with. Though the fact that many of these don't actually seem particularly unpopular probably helps.
Anyway, a few of my own: The protagonists were unreasonably antagonistic toward Aranea's plan. I mean, even with the various potential flaws in her plan, she was outright trying to do something against the bad guys while (most of) the protagonists were sitting around doing nothing, and she's the one they go up in arms against?! Act 7 is a good ending. Or rather it would be if Act 6 was done better. Davekat seems forced and wasn't in any way made obvious through Vriskagram. SBaHJ is annoying; being "ironically bad" doesn't stop it from being bad.
Post by quixoticTokki on Jun 15, 2016 17:29:37 GMT
Agreeing with what people said about the dancestors. I thought they were all fantastic and I really wish we could have seen more of them, especially how they all interact as a group and what their session was like. Although, out of that group, aside from Horuss, Meenah was my least favorite and I hated how much 'screen time' she got. Give me more Damara tbh.
Sollux and Eridan were both great characters. I understand why people don't like Eridan, but I don't get why Sollux isn't more popular. His snark is amazing and I enjoy all of the relationships he has with the other trolls (esp Aradia cause otp). I hate that after Act 5 he became so uninvolved with everything. But oh well, he seemed happy I guess.
As individual characters, I always found Rose and Kanaya kind of boring. Don't know why, but they've never been my favorites. They make a nice pair together, though.
human trolls with anything but black hair have always weirded me out anything that is different about human trolls also weird me out too because they're supposed to be this like almost nearly identical race we humans have a rainbow of skin colors, eye colors and black hair but trolls like... they just have cool blood colors and that's it if one thing's interesting though is that higher on blood scale = whiter skin and lower on blood scale = blacker skin but honestly i view every homestuck character as white because with all the information we have on them and on a racial background it doesn't seem like any of them would be really dark skinned except maybe jade. (edit: i forgot to mention that jade is also the exception on headcanon terms. she's asian to me edit2: eastern asian. like japanese.)
if one thing's interesting though is that higher on blood scale = whiter skin and lower on blood scale = blacker skin but honestly i view every homestuck character as white because with all the information we have on them and on a racial background it doesn't seem like any of them would be really dark skinned except maybe jade. (edit: i forgot to mention that jade is also the exception on headcanon terms. she's asian to me edit2: eastern asian. like japanese.)
I have no desire to derail this thread into the fetid bowels of race talk, but I feel it's worth pointing out that, because a lot of the characters are related, if one member of the family is dark skinned that means somebody else has to be too. If Jade's dark skinned or asian, Jane or Jake have to be too because she would've had to get it from one of them.
speaking of race sort of, as far as headcanons go I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't picture human!Terezi (or Pyropes in general) as a red head...
I just can't imagine human!trolls having anything but black hair.
Yeah as far as Rose and Kanaya go, I always thought Hussie was just waiting to do more with them, but then he never did and it was just like...okay.
And for me, when I imagine the trolls were they born as humans, I picture them being a diverse group considering they would no longer be part of a homogeneous species. But yeah, I have more than half of them pegged as having black hair, lol. (I have a detailed mental list of how each troll "family" would look as humans, haha.)
Anyway, here's another maybe (?) unpopular opinion: I still don't care about the post-retcon characters. Like no matter how much BS Hussie spouts about "ultimate selves" or character arcs not being "real," I'm still more attached to the pre-retcon/GO crew and pissed about the whole thing.
honestly i view every homestuck character as white because with all the information we have on them and on a racial background it doesn't seem like any of them would be really dark skinned except maybe jade.
Racial background doesn't really mean anything because the four human parents are clones of themselves, and don't have a genetic "background".
John said Bro is white, which means Dave, Rose, Dirk, and Roxy are all "technically" white, though if people headcanon them differently it doesn't really matter. I'm pretty sure John, Jade, Jane, and Jake could be anything.
The only thing that bothers me is when people draw a white John with a black Jade, or a white Rose with a black Dave, etc., as if they don't remember that they're siblings. I see that all the time (that's my unpopular opinion I guess).