I’d just been assuming that the noisy neighbor was Snowman, since Scratch said she was acting up “again” but ARADIA?
Wait, is that even Aradia? I’ve never seen Aradia wear her hair like that, this could be her ancestor instead. That doesn’t actually clear up what in the fuck is going on, but that does make slightly more sense.
Well, he figured that out awful quickly!
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID THAT THIS GUY IS REALLY JADE’S GRANDPA?
Well I was wrong! He was telling the truth about being Jade’s grandson.
In his timeline.
He’s the grandfather pre-Scratch, and the grandson post-Scratch.
How does that make sense?
I don’t know how that makes sense. I don’t know who he’s able to communicate with a scratched timeline.
But now I’m sure that’s what’s going on.
And this was a pretty quick revelation too.
Yet despite being so quick on the uptake with those, he didn't seem to make the connection between the Condesce's battleship's logo and the Betty Crocker logo...
Keep in mind Google will give you different results based on your history.
I still don’t see how the ICP aren’t the capricious minstrels that were foretold. Unless there’s some part of the prophecy that Gamzee failed to mention, they seem to hit it pretty bang on.
But whatever could have possibly been left out of the description of the capricious minstrels, hmm?
Ahaha! Hussie’s creations hate him. Dollars to donuts says that Probably-Not-Aradia wants to beat Hussie over the head with that chair for all the shit he’s put her though.
And as for the main villain of his comic, well... Skipping past the video to his early Act 6 thoughts:
I’m curious to see what the story behind that hat is in this universe. I imagine it’s similar to the pre-scratch story: Jane had it with her when a meteor transported her from the Veil to earth. But where did it come from before that? Who is Dad Egbert in this universe?
Still doesn't quite have as good a grasp on how the Scratch works as you might think.
Now that I know I got Jake’s name right, I’ve been looking at baby names trying to guess what the last two post-scratch might be named.
Obviously I can narrow it down to four letter names, and It’ll probably be a D name for Dave’s Bro, and an R name for Rose’s Mom.
I’m going to guess Ruby for Mom. That way they’d have a color theme going with Ruby and Rose.
Bro gave me a harder time. Dane and Drew both fit, and Dane is even one letter off from Dave, but they both sound too… normal for Bro.
I like Dirk though. It’s synonymous with knife, which is very fitting for bro.
Wow, he's 50/50 on calling all the post-Scratch kids' names, two out of three when you consider he didn't try to guess Jane's.
Did D make a smuppet rabbit? He totally made a smuppet rabbit, didn’t he.
But then, he can't get everything. In fact, he sees Hemera on Jane's desktop and doesn't think it automatically means Hemera's her denizen; he thinks it's Roxy's.
I wasn’t really aware of it the first time I watched it, but this is the moment where the window expands to take up the rest of the screen. It wasn’t until later in the flash that I noticed, wait a minute, the window’s bigger than it was before.
Huh, that's interesting. When I first watched Cascade, that was the first part of the flash to really blow me away, yet he apparently didn't even notice!
...I actually don't think I noticed the screen getting bigger the entire first time I watched the flash. I noticed how big and detailed the art was compared to all previous flashes, and that there were several points where there appeared to be a "frame" around the main action, but it wasn't until I started rewatching it that I noticed the "frame" was where the title and Newgrounds logo were at the start.
Annnnd here’s another plan that doesn’t seem to have gone anywhere. What was so important about Rose’s second journal? Because the White King wakes up, has a touching reunion with his wife, and then they’re both murdered on the spot.
So unless Jack or PM grabbed the notebook before flying off to another session this is the last we’re ever likely to see of the thing.
Yep, I'm sure Complacency of the Learned will neeeeeeeever come up again!
In response to an ask about the varying interpretations of the same title:
Vriska played it straight. She was a Thief, and she stole things. Rose on the other hand delved into the study of darkness, inverting her role as a Hero of Light, but still representing it in her own way.
Somewhere, BKEW has an orgasm and he doesn't know why. Minda also received an ask asking him to take another look at the whole "most important character in Homestuck" line in the wake of Cascade, and put up a screencap that showed Cal in Gamzee's lap, but didn't get what the asker was getting at:
It took a while for that line to deliver. Even when we got into Horrorstuck, Gamzee wasn’t doing anything especially important, just killing off characters and being creepy. But now we see him admiring the Green Sun, which was a direct result of the universal destruction that he caused.
He also seems to have only received one "Doc Scratch is an excellent host" ask, possibly because people expected him to go into more detail on Intermission 2 and were waiting to see if he'd make the connection himself.
that thing is CURSED
it’s going to awaken and thirst for preteen blood if you continue this mindless abuse
I know I said I’d do a retrospctive, but I’d rather wait until the other two Alpha kids have been introduced, so with any luck I’ll be able to do that tomorrow.
I hope you aren't expecting to learn their names and go through all the formalities...
My best guess is that they’re the pre-scratch version of the Sufferer, the version who went on the adventure himself and had Karkat as an ancestor. It’d be nice and symmetrical for the Alpha kids to get trolled by alternate versions of the troll ancestors.
As for why I think they’re specifically the pre-scratch Sufferer, they give Jane the exact opposite greeting that Karkat did in his very first appearance.
Noooooooope. The pre-Scratch Sufferer isn't exactly like this.
If I’m right about Umbra being a pre-scratch troll, then they’re not about to start an adventure with a happy ending.
In reality, of course, they're not about to start their adventure at all, and it's not going to end happily for anyone except the one in her body.
If she’s not the PS Sufferer, then my second guess would be the PS Condesce, since Jane has a personal connection to her. Third on the list is PS Handmaid, only because her typing quirk vaguely reminds me of Aradia.
Sorry, Meenah and Damara aren't much like this either.
Converting unused items into Grist sounds pretty useful actually, but I just know I’d never have the willingness to do it because, “I might need it later.”
An instinct Jane and the AR would have done well to internalize.
Somehow this feels like one of those apparently innocent decisions that’ll have big consequences later. Like Jane’s discs will be tainted with a virus, or rigged to blow up or something.
Lalonde is definitely on to something with her paranoia (obviously), so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if there was a trap waiting for Jane with her game discs.
Of course, there's also a trap waiting with Roxy's files...
It's been two weeks and I've let too much Minda stuff sit on the shelf for too long...
Jake would totally have a thing for Lapis Lazuli if his world wasn’t destroyed two years before Steven Universe aired.
Jake will probably be disappointed that he missed out on Mass Effect 3 (released a mere 4 months later in March 2012) but that’s probably for the best. He can enter the medium still believing that Shepard and Liara will have a well written ending.
Don't be too quick to jump to conclusions, although he *is* going to jump to the Medium before those things happen, and who knows how the Condesce's influence would change things (especially SU).
Vriska set her sights on the wrong GT. Follow your dreams Jake! There’s a blue alien girl out there waiting for you! She’s incredibly dangerous and dead at the moment, but minor details!
Well, that's not inaccurate...
Lalonde thinks Jake is hot. Strider thinks Jake is hot. I suspect the only reason Jane isn’t eyeing him up is because somebody got word to her that they’re siblings.
Don't be too quick to assume... Also, after Jake referred to him as "dickprince" he correctly predicted that Dirk would be the "prince" of his aspect, but also seemed to become absolutely convinced his name is Dick after correctly predicting his name earlier, referring to him as Dick in a couple posts. He seems to have lost his accurate-prediction mojo somehow. On the flip side, he got out-and-out spoiled on Roxy's name, meaning we don't get to see what he might have guessed upon hitting "Ro-Lal"...
The damage to Poppopsprite is starting to look awfully familiar. Maybe we’ll get a fake out and Jane will use something else to prototype her Kernelsprite at the last second.
To be fair, he can't imagine that Jane's sprite won't be prototyped at all before entry and will eventually be prototyped with Vriska and Tavros by Gamzee for its brief existence, and then with just Tavros and GCat in the post-GO timeline.
SO W3R3 R34LLY GO1NG TO B3 OK W1TH H4V1NG G4MZ33 4ROUND 4FT3R H3 K1LL3D TWO P3OPL3?
Vriska Killed Two People And We Kept Her Around
NO W3 D1DNT THOUGH! 1 K1LL3D H3R FOR TH4T!
Well, you will have still been keeping her around. After seeing the Nick Cage easter egg:
We were supposed to watch Karkat have a mental breakdown, not have one ourselves!
Yeah, that's supposed to be closer to the end of Act 6.
A god tier Maid of Life sounds pretty fantastic right about now.
Submitted witho -
An impressive amount of ordinance, but an explosion like that is far to anti-climatic to kill a god.
...does he seriously think Jane's already god-tier?
Minda on Discord said:
And for Roxy I'm going to go with Thief of Mind, because her "hacking" thing makes her a thief of knowledge, in a way
And yet this is amazingly close, especially if you consider the relationship between void and knowledge (and yet he still thinks Dirk will inherit his aspect from Rose or Dave). Meanwhile, Duck didn't seem to recognize Terezi's drawing as the in-universe origin of SBaHJ, and I'm not sure, but I *think* Emily made it to Jade: Enter without calling Becsprite?
Well, Minda got pointed to the hints of the classpects in Jane and Jake's character introductions, before getting to Roxy and Dirk's. But he also came about as close to Roxy and Dirk's actual titles as might be expected: Thief of Void and Prince of Mind. But on the flipside, even with Waking!Jane up and about and not a god, he seems to think her dreamself went through the second method of god-tiering Doc Scratch was hinting at...
Between the name “Cal” and his/her green aesthetic, I think Calmasis is related to Lord English. I don’t think they’re Lord English himself though. There haven’t been any hints that English is non-binary, so whoever Calmasis represents, they’re someone new.
Hello, WHAT? Rose is dead? Dave too, judging from what Dirk says.
But we know from an earlier conversation that Jane believed Roxy when she said her mom is the famous author. That means Rose and Dave died (or were more likely killed) and their deaths were publicly covered up.
Yes, that is definitely a theory you just came up with.
As for the other one…
You are a studious popculture scholar of all eras. A sharp critic of that reflection in the mirror we hold up to our society. You seek truth in the vivid mosaic made of our most shameless obsessions.
Your interest in these cartoon ponies is strictly academic, ok? No, seriously.
*narrows eyes with drunken suspicion*
OK FINE, YOU LOVE THIS ONE PARTICULAR LITTLE RAINBOW HORSE UNIRONICALLY, IS THAT SUCH A CRIME.
She is so spunky.
Her “brother” in particular gives me a bad feeling. Dirk already mentioned that he “has got some problems” and his eagerness to be a Derse Dreamer feels less than innocent.
Submitted without comment. After already scratching her head over her reference to having a brother and her horns seemingly shooting down his "pre-Scratch ancestor" idea:
Something doesn’t add up with UU.
She’s heard of Rose by reputation, calling the Seer of Light a “figure of legend,” but she’s clearly never seen a human reach god tier because she gave Dirk a pair of fairy wings like a troll. So she knows about trolls intimately, but has limited knowledge about humans.
But she doesn’t really talk like a troll either. I can’t imagine any troll calling their way of typing a “quirk”. They just type in a way that feels natural to them.
So if she’s not a human and she’s not a troll then what the fuck is she? Dirk actually brings up a third possibility, albeit indirectly.
TT: You know, I'm not sure anyone ever actually says cheerio. uranianUmbra [UU] ceased cheering timaeusTestified TT: Unless they're pretending to be British. TT: Oh whatever.
I think she’s faking it.
Her inhuman nature feels genuine (or if it’s not, it’s a very very good lie) but her troll nature feels like, in Dirk’s works, “a deliberate affectation.”
...has anyone else ever figured out that Calliope wasn't a troll at this point (not counting Nora who seemed to go back on it)? And yet:
So where does that leave her?
Fuck if I know.
She’s acting like an audience avatar, and in this story that is literally possible. Hussie himself is a goddamn character in this story. Maybe UU is a Homestuck fan who somehow ended up in the middle of all this. But there’s still the Calmasis connection. Why is she dressed like a character from Rose’s book? And why is said character connected to Lord English? I don’t even know anymore.
One wonders what he'll think when he hears from Caliborn from the first time and the Discord mods consider it in-bounds to mention Ophiuchus. Will he go back to thinking they're trolls, or is the above reasoning too persuasive?
… Well. That’s a problem. Still, could be worse. He could have to drop a ring into that lava.
Luckily, he won't be the one on that duty.
Then again, I’m not looking forward to that impending conversation with Karkat. He looks pissed.
… Ohhhhhhh fuckberries.
#I'd make that reaction of pulling away from the keyboard as well if Karkat showed up and started yelling
Don't worry, I'm sure you'll love it when all is said and done. When Karkat sends Dave his "shitty clip art":
… Oh no. Is this one of those indicators that is supposed to cause readers to ship Dave and Karkat? Because I’m concerned that it’ll work.
(not that I'm a Davekat shipper, but...)
i relate to TT in the sense that analyzing the situation comes first, followed by a sudden realization that i’m supposed to be concerned, while in most of humanity empathy is an automatic reflex. i hope that she’s a more morally grey character, those tend to be my favorites
Leaving grimdark aside, stealing this from Krix in the Minda chat:
I think we might have another future Vriska fan on our hands.
It's been starting to feel like there's more discussion of even non-Minda blogs there than here... Also, the first thing Blue noticed upon seeing Rose was the resemblance to Mandy from Grim Adventures.
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I find it a little strange that the Queen’s ring and the King’s scepter don’t have any of the little bulbs on them. They should at least be present and grayed out, right? Looking back at Rise Up and Descend, they disappeared from the Scepter after it had been “deactivated” but the rings have never done anything like that.
Come to think of it, the Condesce had a gold ring in the last flash too.
I’d just assumed it was some of her usual jewelry, but if it is the Queen’s ring, and if that really means there will be no pre-entry prototypings… that has some wide spreading implications for the course of this session.
AR is totally going to quote 2001 at Dave isn’t he?
TG: open the fucking door ar TT: I’m afraid I can’t do that, Dave. TG: … TT: I’m fucking glasses, dude. Ask Roxy. She’s the hacker.
Well, he is going to increasingly evoke 2001, but by the time Dave meets him he'll already have become STRONGer than a mere pair of glasses...
Jane is going to seriously consider drinking with Roxy after this. The two of them can commiserate with each other over the men they fancy getting with each other.
Well, someone else is going to end up taking after Roxy's drinking...
If the session doesn’t evolve as all of the kids enter the session, then it can’t reach it’s final state and become winnable. A new universe can’t be born from an incomplete session.
At least not in the normal way. I think I already see a workaround if this is doomed to be an incomplete session from the start.
Oh would you look at that? A fully evolved battlefield (slightly used), and a planet with all of the frog breeding equipment you could possibly need! Jade’s done 99% of the work for the Alpha kids, they just need the one thing they couldn’t get in the pre-scratch session: fertile soil to plant the seed.
He may sometimes come to weird conclusions, but when he gets on the right track he can ride it all the way into the station.
If I had thought to guess ahead of time, I probably would have come up with Jane for Ms Crocker’s name just for the John Doe/Jane Doe reference.
This question isn't really answerable, but what might you have changed your guess to after Jane referred to her as "Ro-Lal"?
Not sure, there really aren’t that many other options, are there? There’s Rosa, which is just a variation on Rose, Rona, and… that’s just about all of them.
Yeah, I realized that once I got to that point in my Lil Sis re-read and saw how few suitable names there were. So if circumstances hadn't conspired against guessing the girls' names with all information available before their introductions, he might have gone 4-for-4.
The Alpha kids themselves have proven to be instantly likable, so I don’t miss any of the other characters too much, especially knowing that they will be back in the action eventually.
Funny, that's not the impression I get from most livebloggers or at least most readers (outside of Roxy of course), though it does seem to be the same thing Nick thought.
Now I’m just thinking about how Cal’s presence here makes sense. It’s possible that this is the same Cal we’ve been following since the beginning, and if that’s the case, then this is probably Cal from before Gamzee cursed Dave, since this is what he looked like back then.
Maybe that’s why Cal is safe for Dirk. Gamzee hasn’t put the bad juju into him yet.
Well, Minda still seems to be laboring under the impression that the kids were separately ectobiologized compared to the pre-Scratch universe. Once he realizes the meteors that delivered the alpha kids are the same exact meteors that came from the pre-Scratch session, this Cal's timeline will be greatly clarified...or so he'll think. (Although he also called both Feferi and the Condesce "descendants" of Meenah, if only for lack of a better term to refer to both, so make of that what you will.)
Also, the slow dawning realization of what Dirk and Roxy's deal is in his Jane: Enter video is just fantastic.
So that’s the delineation now? Alpha kids in the “main” act, Beta and Troll kids in the “Intermissions”? How long is this going to go before they meet up? How eventful can three years of travel really be?
More than you'd think.
Now the meteor team is on a journey where at any point they could feel like they’re asleep, dead, or just awake and having a “normal day” in the afterlife.
Or they could even find themselves in the presence of their own sleeping self.
and how much of a bitch is rose’s mom, if at all here? we’ve already seen that rose doesn’t like her, but i want to see if rose is justified or if she’s just misinterpreting.
like, rose, i think you’re missing the point that that mausoleum is really fucking cool no matter if you hate your mom or not, you cute little gothic-wednesday adams motherfucker
alright, so far, it’s seeming like rose is making her mom out to be antagonizing her in her head out of pure spite. ever consider, rose, that your mom could just… like wizards or something
Well, that was quick.
Heh, if I had to predict how this was gonna go, I’d say that Dave and Karkat get together, Rose and Kanaya get together, John ends up with… I don’t know, Feferi or Nepeta, and Jade’s asexual.
Well, you got that half right. If you only knew that neither Feferi nor Nepeta will even make it to the point where they'd meet any of the kids... Also, his Alterniabound stream turned into "Duck discovers Trickster Mode".
okay, rose said earlier in her sassy gamefaqs post that the fact that this game brings about the end of the world isn’t to the fault of the player, rather that the world was ending was already set to happen. was she being literal or symbolic? which begs the question, if john hadn’t played the game, would the world have not ended, or would it just mean that he would have no way to survive it? is the game itself the bringer of the apocalypse, or is it a tool to survive it?
Already asking the important questions.
Meanwhile Minda has some great reactions to Gamzee at Jane's house.
Wait, we’re talking about healing Terezi’s vision?
Interesting, but I’m not wild about the idea. From time to time, you’ll get a story where Daredevil gets his vision back, and he ends up being much less effective because vision is just a distraction to him. I feel like Terezi would be in the same boat.
Hey, you entertained the notion longer than most livebloggers. Again going through the stream was worth it for his utter exasperation at having to deal with Gamzee (unless you were following the chat when he didn't have the screen up when he tried to start the second video).
How did Gamzee pull that off by the way? How did he get a hold of Aradia’s time travel music box thingies, and how did he reach god tier? I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he actually didn’t and he’s just wearing the costume, but who knows with this inscrutable asshole.
How many livebloggers raise that possibility this early?
On the one hand, I think Gamzee is about to start pulling dead fucking bodies out of that fucking fridge.
On the other hand, that means we could get a Nepetasprite, and I feel like I can’t object to that, just on general principle.
Well, you will get your wish. But for right now...
F U S E
Vriska and Tavros together.
Literally ANY combination of trolls would be better than that. This is going to be a fucking nightmare for everyone involved.
Jane doesn’t even KNOW the half of it.
Stuck together as a sprite?
my favorite color is actually red, i’ve considered rebranding my “name” a few times, but i’m in too deep now and it adds a layer of irony you gotta appreciate
So, does that mean Dave will be your favorite character? He has already contributed at least two favorite quotes.
i officially have two hypotheses.
the first is that the meteor purposefully destroyed everything in the houses vicinity except for the house, and this is the decimated remains of earth (or at least of john’s general area.)
the second is that the meteor actually was some sort of portkey, and it transported john’s house to some other medium, whether that be another planet or another dimension.
...he even used "medium". Blue is climbing up my favorites list too fast, guys.
is the game itself the bringer of the apocalypse, or is it a tool to survive it?
Upon learning more about Calmasis from Roxy's mom's book:
Are they the same person? Is this a multiple personality thing or something? If the shackles represent the Brother and Sister, is there a third entity represented by Calmasis themself? Or is Calmasis just the combination of the two? Canonically, Calmasis uses “s/he” pronouns, so it’d make sense for them to represent the combination of a masculine and feminine personality.
He's starting to get it!
But then Rose’s book series also seems to be an allegory for Lord English so where does he fit into all this!? GAAAAAAAAH!
this looks like either a. a bomb/apocalypse shelter or b. the entrance to a ship that was covered with sand over years of exposure
leaning more towards hypothesis b here….
A ship, you say?
in hindsight, i probably should have guessed this. i mean, this character was introduced at conveniently the same time john started hearing the voice
...except I'm not sure any livebloggers predict WV being the one sending commands to John...
but now, i’m wondering a. why the hell this ship/shelter has has a live monitor of john, a few years into the past, and how the wayward vagabond is able to transmit these commands into john’s consciousness? into the fucking past?
How cute, you're confused by time shenanigans this simple.
I’m guessing we’re talking about “the sun” that exists in the Game. When players enter the Game, they leave our reality and enter a new one, with different physical properties, but with similar physical concepts like gravity. Even though we’ve seen the Battleground at what we could consider “daytime”, we’ve also seen the Lands at different states of “day” and “night”. But we haven’t seen any stars. And yet, regardless of whatever “day” or “night” players find themselves at in their Lands, they’re not freezing cold in the way you would expect a place to be without a sun heating it.
Wow, this is way off, as he's clearly forgotten past references to the Green Sun...
So this sun is giving off heat but not light, because it can’t be seen. And in space, the only way that something can be seen is if it either emits light or it reflects light.
Either this sun, this source of the First Guardians, is black, or it’s a singularity.
...and yet in a roundabout way, this is still relevant.
Proving once again that Vriska has ego enough for the both of them (quite literally, in this case).
You know, I understand that Guy Fieri killed five billion people, deficated on the bible, and rand a bunch of really inane shows on the Food Network, but the whole eye gouging thing is still pretty harsh.
I’m going to assume that uu has an as yet unnamed Class as well. Let’s see, some of the known active classes are the Thief, Knight, and Prince, and uu has the “Master Class” above all of them. So what then? A King? A Duke? A Lord?
Oh my god, if uu is a fucking Time Lord, I’m going to lose my Whovian shit.
Actually is Hussie still the narrator at this point? I mean, storywise, he’s literally dead right now, so is he writing this from beyond the grave (which admittedly would not be all that difficult), or is someone else providing the narration text in the interim?
No wonder I like Meenah, she reminds me so much of Vriska.
I wonder how they might get along if they ever met?
HAHA! Remember when I first saw the ring and immediately called it the Ring of Power from Lord of the Rings? Well now it has invisibility powers and everything!
Yep. There you go. Invisible, just like you thought. What else is a magical ring of void gonna do? This is like Magic Rings 101. Real basic stuff.
Darn it, t hat actually makes sense. Now I can’t ping Hussie for throwing in a pointless LotR reference.
Oh, don't give up on it just yet...
Yes! Meenah and Karkat together sounds like a great fucking idea!
Well, you'll get your wish eventually, though arguably not as much as Meenah and Vriska.
Yeah, but luckily they haven’t been able to find any liquor on the meteor.
Not yet, but unfortunately not for the entire trip.
MEENAH: can that happen can you kill a ghost
I’m sure that’s not something we’ll need to worry about.
Submitted without comment.
I’ve been thinking that Calliope and her brother might be related to Lord English somehow. Is that their race? Is Lord English a cherub?
After what happened with the Calmasis image, I didn't quite expect that Minda would figure out what was going on with the Lord English-cherub connection until seeing what Calliope looks like, same as Nick. Turns out he may have a different hangup going on.
Okay, so I’m putting some things together and have a crazy idea.
-Calliope is lime blooded, and this is reflected in her green eyes and cheeks. -Her “brother” is red blooded, which logically means that he has rosy cheeks.
Hey what does Lord English look like again?
Oh. And while we’re on the topic of similarities between uu and Lord English, we know that Lord English became indestructible by exploiting temporal shenanigans, and uu is a Hero of Time, maybe even a Lord of Time.
But I still figured it was a logical enough conclusion that Minda wouldn't be kept away from it for long.
So here’s my theory: not only is Lord English the future version of uu, but the session he and Calliope are about to play will successfully create a universe. Specifically it’ll create the first universe in the Green Sun’s sphere of influence, the pre-scratch troll universe, Universe A1.
Welp, can't win them all. Gonna hold off on covering stuff from Duck and Blue, this post is long enough as it is.