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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 13, 2016 16:53:25 GMT
Collide was a checklist. It was beautiful on its own right, but was also hardly climatic. Everything went according to the plan.
Everything has been going exclusively according to the plan since the start of Intermission 4.
I can't stress enough how bad that is. It's okay if the protagonists succeeed for a while, but as long as the story is not over, there needs to be something going wrong. A villain they can't seen to defeat, an universe that is about to be destroyed, etc. A proper story need s a conflict, this story has had zero coflict since Game Over.
This is not just a half-assed ending. The idea of "half-assed" ending I would expect Hussie to make would have been leagues better than this. This is barely an ending at all. This is a glorified epilogue to John's retcon arc in Intermission 4. The ending of the comic is the end of A6A6I4.
I'll say it again: either this is a psyche, or Hussie made a bad ending out of hate for the fandom. This is not the result of Hussie attempting to make something good and failing, this is Hussie going out of the way to make sure the story doesn't have a good ending.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 16:53:27 GMT
The scene when LE's eyes lock in double 8s gives me chills, actualy.
For me it seems like there's another 10 minutes of animation cut out for some reason, tbh.
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Post by trek on Apr 13, 2016 16:55:03 GMT
Imma laugh if what the people are saying about the ending now just gets subverted by new content. Not that I begrudge anybody what they're saying right now, it'd just be funny. Honestly, I would love it if it were and made me seem like a moron. I'm more afraid that it won't happen.
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Post by sparkeletran on Apr 13, 2016 16:56:51 GMT
I'll say it again: either this is a psyche, or Hussie made a bad ending out of hate for the fandom. This is not the result of Hussie attempting to make something good and failing, this is Hussie going out of the way to make sure the story doesn't have a good ending. The claim this is a purposefully bad ending still seems absolutely insane since it's pretty clear there was lots of real, manual effort put into this. If he wanted to do a bad ending, he could've just done the "oh the comic loops in the end" thing like people were theorizing, or not even given us an animation at all. It's pretty clear to me this is Hussie's idea of an ending, that he had in mind for a long time. Maybe what he thinks constitutes a satisfactory ending just is different from your opinion of it, maybe he was trying to pass some sort of message, or maybe his story just got carried away for the ending he had planned. I'm not saying either view is right, but saying he HAD to have done it on purpose is really short-sighted.
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Post by Ariestinak on Apr 13, 2016 16:58:30 GMT
I haven't read the topic yet. But I'm quite sure it's full of remarks saying how disappointing this was and I can't say that I don't agree.
This wasn't the worst ending that could happen (I think many agree that "it was all a dream" ending would have been the worst). But it isn't really much better. I didn't expect Hussie to solve every plot thread dangling out there. I actually wouldn't even have liked it if he resolved everything. But I actually expected him to resolve the biggest pieces of this plot. There are enough crazy fan theories in the internet to show that the plot could have been resolved in a much more satisfying way. So either this is a very big psyche (I can hope, right?) or Hussie just hated this comic so much that he decided to ruin it like this.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 13, 2016 16:58:37 GMT
I'll say it again: either this is a psyche, or Hussie made a bad ending out of hate for the fandom. This is not the result of Hussie attempting to make something good and failing, this is Hussie going out of the way to make sure the story doesn't have a good ending. The claim this is a purposefully bad ending still seems absolutely insane since it's pretty clear there was lots of real, manual effort put into this. If he wanted to do a bad ending, he could've just done the "oh the comic loops in the end" thing like people were theorizing, or not even given us an animation at all. It's pretty clear to me this is Hussie's idea of an ending, that he had in mind for a long time. Maybe what he thinks constitutes a satisfactory ending just is different from your opinion of it, maybe he was trying to pass some sort of message, or maybe his story just got carried away for the ending he had planned. I'm not saying either view is right, but saying he HAD to have done it on purpose is really short-sighted. Unless this is all a psyche, and the comic is not over yet. Then all that manual effort makes sense. As in, this stuff we just saw did happen and was important, but was just another piece of the puzzle.
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Post by sparkeletran on Apr 13, 2016 17:00:52 GMT
The claim this is a purposefully bad ending still seems absolutely insane since it's pretty clear there was lots of real, manual effort put into this. If he wanted to do a bad ending, he could've just done the "oh the comic loops in the end" thing like people were theorizing, or not even given us an animation at all. It's pretty clear to me this is Hussie's idea of an ending, that he had in mind for a long time. Maybe what he thinks constitutes a satisfactory ending just is different from your opinion of it, maybe he was trying to pass some sort of message, or maybe his story just got carried away for the ending he had planned. I'm not saying either view is right, but saying he HAD to have done it on purpose is really short-sighted. Unless this is all a psyche, and the comic is not over yet. Then all that manual effort makes sense. As in, this stuff we just saw did happen and was important, but was just another piece of the puzzle. Yes, that'd make sense. But if it's not the case, I still don't think it's just Hussie wanting to make a bad ending, just his opinions of a good one and yours differing in some sort of way. Which... shrug. Happens, unfortunately. Not everybody can agree on everything.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 13, 2016 17:05:29 GMT
Collide was a checklist. It was beautiful on its own right, but was also hardly climatic. Everything went according to the plan. Everything has been going exclusively according to the plan since the start of Intermission 4.
I can't stress enough how bad that is. It's okay if the protagonists succeeed for a while, but as long as the story is not over, there needs to be something going wrong. A villain they can't seen to defeat, an universe that is about to be destroyed, etc. A proper story need s a conflict, this story has had zero coflict since Game Over. This is not just a half-assed ending. The idea of "half-assed" ending I would expect Hussie to make would have been leagues better than this. This is barely an ending at all. This is a glorified epilogue to John's retcon arc in Intermission 4. The ending of the comic is the end of A6A6I4. I'll say it again: either this is a psyche, or Hussie made a bad ending out of hate for the fandom. This is not the result of Hussie attempting to make something good and failing, this is Hussie going out of the way to make sure the story doesn't have a good ending. Yeah the post-retcon timeline is just too perfect. This is what sucks about the retcon, rendering the original version of stuff irrelevant and the current version of stuff flawless. The pre-retcon people totally could've worked through their problems. I mean, I get why the retcon is there, but something else totally could've been retconned. I still like my theory of retconning the creation of the genesis frog.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 13, 2016 17:17:36 GMT
I don't know about the post-retcon timeline being "too perfect" when the implication is that it leads to Lord English in the first place.
Perhaps that's part of the issue; with how timey-wimey Homestuck is, the ending we got isn't really an ending, but part of the middle. The Masterpiece is meant to happen t some point; perhaps after the Kids are the only ones left alive in their new universe, which'd explain the absence of the Trolls. Then they create Lord English and the Furthest Ring suffers for untold amounts of time before the fight gets taken to him.
I'm fine with this as an 'ending', but I think there's room for an epilogue or two to fill in the gaps and show English's fate.
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Post by Ariestinak on Apr 13, 2016 17:19:13 GMT
Something just occurred to me: One of the reasons this ending feels so incomplete is that the comic just never stops introducing twists and significant information. Hussie could just never make Remem8er, never trap the kids in the house juju, never show something that looks so ominous in EOA6 or even never destroy the green sun at all (I mean, everyone here knew that Altiope was going to destroy the green sun. We just didn't know what would happen after that and we still don't). That would actually have given us a sense of finality, that yes, the comic is going to really end here, and nothing unusual is going to happen anymore. To make some many seemingly important stuff and then throw them all away and end the comic this way, it's just horrible.
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Post by sparkeletran on Apr 13, 2016 17:20:02 GMT
I don't know about the post-retcon timeline being "too perfect" when the implication is that it leads to Lord English in the first place. Perhaps that's part of the issue; with how timey-wimey Homestuck is, the ending we got isn't really an ending, but part of the middle. The Masterpiece is meant to happen t some point; perhaps after the Kids are the only ones left alive in their new universe, which'd explain the absence of the Trolls. Then they create Lord English and the Furthest Ring suffers for untold amounts of time before the fight gets taken to him. I'm fine with this as an 'ending', but I think there's room for an epilogue or two to fill in the gaps and show English's fate. Same. Showing off LE's final demise (or explaining what was portrayed in Act 7, either works for me) and throwing in some character interaction to give us an idea of how things go in the new universe besides that flash forward is all I really need from the epilogue, myself. Either way, it won't be satisfying to everyone, but eh. At this point, it's a waiting game - back on the hiatus train!
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Post by Conspicuous on Apr 13, 2016 17:26:32 GMT
And thus it all ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 13, 2016 17:33:55 GMT
I don't know about the post-retcon timeline being "too perfect" when the implication is that it leads to Lord English in the first place. Yeah that implication is very much there, but the thing is, it hasn't been addressed at all. Something just occurred to me: One of the reasons this ending feels so incomplete is that the comic just never stops introducing twists and significant information. Hussie could just never make Remem8er, never trap the kids in the house juju, never show something that looks so ominous in EOA6 or even never destroy the green sun at all (I mean, everyone here knew that Altiope was going to destroy the green sun. We just didn't know what would happen after that and we still don't). That would actually have given us a sense of finality, that yes, the comic is going to really end here, and nothing unusual is going to happen anymore. To make some many seemingly important stuff and then throw them all away and end the comic this way, it's just horrible. The ending really does feel like dumping all the mystery arcs which is just not something I can see the comic doing. There's some minor mysteries that have been left hanging, but these ones are big ones that the comic just can't fucking forget about like that. Previously, mystery arcs were always very much there and would eventually be resolved at some point. There were big ones like the identity of the trolls' demon and the point of the Tumor, and small ones that were minor yet enticing, like Jack's bloody hand.
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 13, 2016 18:07:27 GMT
Ok, so I've sat on all this, chewing my thoughts for a few hours, and I think I have a different opinion:
What everyone is saying about arcs and important stuff that needs to be addressed, I think it's true. We've seen Hussie write up tons of different little plot points that all get settled at some point. For him to suddenly NOT do that is contradicting his own style as a author.
But there's something else that I think is a little unlike him: the lack of a credits page or animation. "But PM57, why does that matter so much?" Because I've noticed that EVERY TIME a guest artist contributes some of their work to the story, Hussie thanks them in the news post. He's not reluctant at all to say that someone else contributed to his work. So if he appreciates their work, why is there no end credits, with all the talent showcased together? One of Homestuck's themes is that it's a videogame, right? Every videogame has end credits. Maybe I'm just saying random crap, maybe this is just a desperate stretch, but I really, really feel like Hussie isn't the kind of person that would just skip out on that sort of thing.
TL:DR, I don't think this is the real ending. Aside from what I've already posted above, I think there are other hints in the story to assume that there is more to come.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 13, 2016 18:10:31 GMT
Ok, so I've sat on all this, chewing my thoughts for a few hours, and I think I have a different opinion: What everyone is saying about arcs and important stuff that needs to be addressed, I think it's true. We've seen Hussie write up tons of different little plot points that all get settled at some point. For him to suddenly NOT do that is contradicting his own style as a author. But there's something else that I think is a little unlike him: the lack of a credits page or animation. "But PM57, why does that matter so much?" Because I've noticed that EVERY TIME a guest artist contributes some of their work to the story, Hussie thanks them in the news post. He's not reluctant at all to say that someone else contributed to his work. So if he appreciates their work, why is there no end credits, with all the talent showcased together? One of Homestuck's themes is that it's a videogame, right? Every videogame has end credits. Maybe I'm just saying random crap, maybe this is just a desperate stretch, but I really, really feel like Hussie isn't the kind of person that would just skip out on that sort of thing. TL:DR, I don't think this is the real ending. Aside from what I've already posted above, I think there are other hints in the story to assume that there is more to come. This definitely isn't the real ending. Didn't you read the last paragraph of the news post?
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 13, 2016 18:13:46 GMT
I know what he said about the epilouge, but what I was talking about was that the "The End" thing is just a fakeout. When I saw "epilouge", I was worried that would really just be, like...uh...
Ok, so maybe I'm just a little panicked about the ending. I admit it. I did read the last paragraph of the post though. What I was uncertain about is what kind of epilouge we are going to get. We don't know if it's a "sequel" to Homestuck in the form of Hiveswap or Homestuck 2.0 or whatever, or if it's just more pages and story content.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 13, 2016 18:16:29 GMT
I know what he said about the epilouge, but what I was talking about was that the "The End" thing is just a fakeout. When I saw "epilouge", I was worried that would really just be, like...uh... Ok, so maybe I'm just a little panicked about the ending. I admit it. I did read the last paragraph of the post though. What I was uncertain about is what kind of epilouge we are going to get. We don't know if it's a "sequel" to Homestuck in the form of Hiveswap or Homestuck 2.0 or whatever, or if it's just more pages and story content. Yeah I can't bring myself to think that with all the hanging mysteries and questions this is really the end. I myself assumed that "epilogue" actually meant adding more pages.
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Post by sparkeletran on Apr 13, 2016 18:17:32 GMT
Ok, so I've sat on all this, chewing my thoughts for a few hours, and I think I have a different opinion: What everyone is saying about arcs and important stuff that needs to be addressed, I think it's true. We've seen Hussie write up tons of different little plot points that all get settled at some point. For him to suddenly NOT do that is contradicting his own style as a author. But there's something else that I think is a little unlike him: the lack of a credits page or animation. "But PM57, why does that matter so much?" Because I've noticed that EVERY TIME a guest artist contributes some of their work to the story, Hussie thanks them in the news post. He's not reluctant at all to say that someone else contributed to his work. So if he appreciates their work, why is there no end credits, with all the talent showcased together? One of Homestuck's themes is that it's a videogame, right? Every videogame has end credits. Maybe I'm just saying random crap, maybe this is just a desperate stretch, but I really, really feel like Hussie isn't the kind of person that would just skip out on that sort of thing. TL:DR, I don't think this is the real ending. 'Cause we have a credits page, basically. Honestly - this is not the time to be thinking of how this could not be the ending. There's an undeniably real possibility (and imo, one that's way more likely, but that's dependant on perception) that this is the real ending, minus epilogue. Now is time to come to terms with it. If it is the real ending - well, at least you'll have accepted it. Be it through deciding that now Homestuck is absolute dogshit and you regret the past seven years of your life, or coming to the conclusion the ending could've used work but the ride is still worth it... Or even just liking the meaning of it and the possibilities it opens, as much as it wasn't what you were expecting! And well, if it's not the ending, then you'll be pleasantly surprised. So, really, win-win situation - at least you won't get even more disappointed if it turns out this isn't it. Don't go around looking for how it could not be the ending, look for why Hussie thinks it'd be a good one and what could be addressed in an epilogue. On a related note, could we maybe stop going around and feeling the need to mention how shitty and what a string of terrible awful disappointments it was on other threads? We kinda a whole spoiler policy and all, y'know. I understand the need to vent, but let's have some self-control here, shall we?
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Post by plainWonder on Apr 13, 2016 18:22:34 GMT
Wow. Here we are. Years in the future, but not many, from when Homestuck started. Tonight, it all ends. Everything that comes after will be a spinoff, be it Hiveswap, or Paradox Space. 2016-04-13. Fitting, you think, that these are the numbers that accompany the pages that summon in the undoing. Speaking of which. How much of foreshadowed or prophecized events are going to transpire? The masterpiece confirming/debunking that Artist Caliborn = Lord English, Vriska summoning the B1 kids, the Green Sun being disposed of somehow, the Genesis Frog getting put into Skaia... Those seem like the obvious ones. There's 12 (TWELVE) minutes of remaining animation, give or take a couple of minutes depending on how Andrew rounded it off. Could be 7, for instance. But that seems unlikely. And then what? We've had almost all the kids talk to each other on the lilypad, but I sure would like to here them discuss the events after everything's passed! Some things we'll probably won't dive into anymore: Dad's name, Dad's appearance as a child, B1 Betty Crocker, how the elder Striders and Lalondes in each universe got their last name... (Lalonde could be due to Grandpa/Grandma giving them that name, seeing what Hiveswap is implying.) What ever happened to B2 WV and PM. Chances are, they were just one of the many other chess pieces with the same designation (villein, parcel mistress), just like the authority regulators. I've been trying not too theorize to much on what I'd like to see, because that's just meant to leave me feeling dissatisfied. The notifier on Blap's pc never went off, huh. Maybe the page doesn't have a real page number? I'm still secretly rooting for a walkaround, in any case. Just because there's so much the characters could still react to. I hope (Vriska) and (Terezi) make a reappearance, if not, I think we can assume they're happily going into the afterlife, unscathed and together. --- > ONE HOUR LATER. ... ... ... Wow guys. That was unbelievable. H-Homestuck the Anime??? After Homosuck's humorous take on the manga drawing style, I didn't think we'd get this. But then again, have you read the newspost already? I have, it talks about who animated the flash. Go on, read it, I'll wait. . Back? Okay good. You know who Guzusuru is? The person behind that awesome Lullaby for the Gods video. Dated February 2012 (the WIP at least). So yeah, Andrew may have picked her based on her drawing that video, or any of her other work he might have seen. I feared momentarily that the style would be too jarring, but nothing was ever less true. Bilious Slick's magnificent rise to the battlefield was done every bit of justice this way. As was the eruption of the Forge. And who'd have thought John drilling that hole to get the tumor out would be RELEVANT for the placing of the Genesis Tadpole. That confirmed that the Battlefield wasn't healed after it was put into B2 Skaia. Andrew must've had so much already thought out on beforehand, even WV and PM's outfits. Bilious Slick turned into a white frog, so perhaps the Final Frog Jade had to paradoxify determines the colour of the resulting universe. And also, when BSlick was zooming through the Skaian clouds, it left a trail of clockwork majjycks! As if the cherubs are linked to the same well of infinite potential as Skaia! . The zoom in on the new universe was glorious. . Time skip to show the meteor being overrun by jungle plants. Serenity flying over a shitty Statue of Liberty. WV having redrawn his map of Can Town, and it actually being followed to the letter, hahahahaahh. Even the trusty knife and light under the roof, gee man. I am soooo glad to see that not only have all the carapacian exiles intermingled, the consorts are also there! What I find the most heartwarming are the Prospitian dressed in Derse colours and vice versa. We never saw the carapaces dressed in the colours of the planets, but you can imagine it's a recolouring of their base outfit, with the checker pattern. . And it looks as if every alive kid and troll, and cherub, and Dad, went in to live happily ever after. (I'll get back on that further down.) The sprites were nowhere to be seen, further evidence pointing in the direction of the sprites disappearing when the game is won. Farewell, both Nannasprites, Jasprosesprite, Davepeta, Jasperspritex2, Arquiusprite... I love how the stardust in the new universe was also coloured white. And the sun - a yellow one - with the trailing game completion message, teehee! It seems that the kids have indeed decided to put away their pj's for good. Whether they have achieved immortality, is - but I'm digressing. . We also see how Caliborn - ARTIST Caliborn - achieves immortality: by formally and royally destroying his own judgment clock with the crowbar. (Guess it wasn't Doc Scratch' grandfather clock after all. Though Blaperile reminds me, he was able to fix it after Spades Slick destroyed it, so whatever.) Destroying his mortality causes Caliborn to be in permanent boner mode, since that is what that means for cherubs. . Then it switches to Lord English in the dreambubbles - notably absent are Andrew and Davepeta, the latter of which might be explainable if the kids going through the door means the sprites are erased. Perhaps Arquiusprite somehow got to Caliborn just BEFORE he would've been erased, and Caliborn's immortality meant he could keep existing? Don't know. Vriska activates the plothole, surprisingly it seems to go off without a hitch. There were two moments where I thought a) the chest would turn out to be empty now or b) the plothole turns out to be a dud. At the same time, Alt Calliope's black hole appears to burst out of the cracks. Perhaps that's just a visual effect meant to signify that the black hole burst through the ring of fluid spacetime separating LE and the Green Sun? Then the door on the lilypad flips and changes into the white symbol equal to the plothole. John signals Karkat, and he shrugs as if to say "EH. YOU'RE THE LEADER NOW, JOHN. YOU OPEN IT", which he proceeds to do - even getting the same static electricity of it. I feared that Caliborn would retcon their victory somehow in a callback to Bec Noir appearing on the platform, but no. The actual outcome of everything is left to theorize about. I'm a bit saddened by the fact we don't get a resolution. But then, Homestuck as a serial experience was never about resolution, it was about theorizing, together with the rest of the fandom. As we enter the Infinipause - or as Blaperile calls it more fittingly, the Terrapause (fitting because Terra = Earth) -, that's what we'll be doing. It's good that Andrew leaves the possibility of a sequel open, but let's just consider this ending on its own, shall we? . So. The exact chronology and even the outcome of the various final scenes is left open. Personally, I imagine the following happening: Post-victory kids go on to live happily ever after on B2 Earth in Universe C. Earth is abandoned at one point, possibly near the end of Bilious Slick's lifespan, to make way for Calliope and Caliborn. Gamzee somehow fastforwards to then - Blaperile thinks maybe he fell through the black hole near LOTAK. Possible, but he still needs Aradia's timepieces to move forward from when the cherub egg lands and hatches, to when Caliborn enters. Meanwhile, versions of the B1 and B2 kids from another timeline live through the events of the masterpiece. They are sucked into the plothole, perhaps dying in the process. The plothole, charged with their powers, together with the Black Hole summoned by the Muse, should be enough to destroy Lord English once and for all. Sure, Vriska takes the credit for killing him... But honestly, on a grand scale of things, that's among the least of our worries. . Is it good, Andrew making the end of Homestuck multiple choice or Choose Your Own Ending? It isn't 100% satisfactory, but then, what would have been? It had to end one way or another. I figure, we see everyone have their happy ending AND there's room for people who'd want to write sadstuck fanfiction. With a little luck, instead of being too big a fanbase breaker, this will cause people to leave Homestuck with a sense of completion still. . It's sad to think of so many of the A2 trolls, and most of the A1 trolls, never to have been relevant again. But I figure that the fate of the A1 trolls, reduced to obscurity, is what Andrew originally had in store when he wrote in the A2 trolls. So we're still left with more than we'd have had altern(i)atively. . Blaperile has a good theory regarding Terezi, too. Her remem8ering wasn't addressed afterwards, so you could take that to mean that maybe, there was another way in which the victory of the kids was taken from them at the last minute, which Terezi could go on to avoid through remembering. Her absence on Future B2 Earth (C Earth, I guess), could mean she either - wasn't shown for no reason at all but to fuel speculation - or died remem8ering - or she went after Vriska when the latter failed to appear on B2 Earth. . I'm left with a smile on my face and a small stone in my stomach. I very much enjoyed the visual spectacle, and I'm grateful that the Homestuck fandom experience doesn't stop here. It's good to keep the fandom speculating, otherwise if there was One Single Truth, what's left to discuss afterwards? It would've killed a large part of what makes being a fan this fun. It's poignant that the ending was set in with a Conductor's Baton, huh?
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Post by soeroah on Apr 13, 2016 18:24:48 GMT
Also while we can certainly hope any future epilogue resolves things let's not start making assumptions again and set expectations.
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 13, 2016 18:27:11 GMT
Oh god. This is it. It's 4/13 and the final update is here. The last Homestuck update ever. I still can't believe it, holy shit. After all these years, this masterpiece, the best story I have ever read, is finally coming to an end. No matter how this story ends, I'm never going to forget the impact Homestuck's had on my life. And now... god. There's so much that can still happen. The Forge being lit and the Genesis Frog being released and put into Skaia is probably the first thing. And then there's still the entering the new universe, Lord English's shenanigans in the Dreambubbles, Alternate Calliope, the Masterpiece events... And that's just the bare minimum!!!! Who even knows what crazy things will still happen today. And plainWonder just reminded me that we still have 12 MINUTES OF ANIMATION TO GO. A lot can happen in that. I wonder if this final update really is just going to be 2 pages like some sources have suggested before. That just seems insane to me. But if it's true, then I imagine the upcoming flash will be the third longest flash in Homestuck history, just behind Collide and Cascade. And then I imagine it will just be called [S] Act 7? I have no idea how long it's going to take to read this update, but let's just do this. *ONE HOUR LATER* ..... .......... ................ ..................... Holy shit HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT... THAT WAS CRAZY. That... was the most beautiful animation I've ever seen in Homestuck, and just one of the most beautiful animations I've ever seen period. I'm... I don't know what to say. This was just incredible. This literally was HOMESTUCK THE ANIME. Everything that happened in this was just so incredibly gorgeous. Bilious Slick's gradual transformation into a fully grown frog was so amazing to see. I was surprised that Bilious Slick was WHITE, in fully grown form. But now that I think about it, it makes sense that the other Bilious Slick wasn't even the "right" colour, what with being a frog with cancer. Seeing as that was about the only thing really "closed" in here, it makes sense that I talked about that first... Now. The open ending. Wow. I never thought Homestuck would be the kind of story to have an open ending, and to be honest I was really WISHING it would be a closed ending. On one hand I'm a TINY bit disappointed that we don't have full closure on everything, but on the other hand... this is good. This is really good. Homestuck has always been the type of story to make you build up a whole bunch of theories in your mind, as a serial reader. It now makes a lot of sense that even when it's finished, and also for all archive readers to come, Homestuck will continue to be a story that you will constantly theorize about this. This also means that discussions can always continue to take place. We can always keep making new theories on what the fuck just happened here and how it's all connected, and that the fandom will continue to have material to talk about. We can keep digging into the entire > 8000 page history to come up with new evidence for new theories. And I think what excites me most, this ending provides inspiration for a LOT of possible fan-fiction. There's HEAPS of fanstories people can come up with to connect the dots. Heck, even I'M feeling antsy to write fanfiction to build my own version of events here. I haven't written fanfiction in years and have never really felt the urge to start with it again until now. I'm also really excited about what Andrew said in the news post, that someday he might write an "epilogue" to this. Who even knows when this will be. It might take a few years, if it ever comes. But I don't mind. Until then we commence... the Terrapause? Oh god I like that actually. It's bigger than "Giga" and it even references Earth. Anyway, let's go back to the events of what just happened. Let's see... Alternate Calliope destroyed the Green Sun!!! It even got sucked up just like the red sun from Caliborn's home planet. Wow, I didn't think she'd actually destroy the sun herself. But in any case, I'm pretty sure she died in this event, which means that what she said about never seeing anyone anymore would continue to be true. And then the Dreambubble showdown... holy shit. So Vriska finally used the Plot Hole juju! For a brief moment during the flash I thought nothing was going to happen or that that house would crush Vriska, hehe. But it looks like it did do... something! The symbols of the B1 Kids appeared in it, a huge blast came for Lord English, the Green Sun Black Hole (Green Hole?) came peeping through the cracks and began destroying even more of the bubble... And most mindscrewingly of all, the house got a door in it and... SEEMS TO LEAD TO THE KIDS VICTORY PLATFORM??? Now THAT is something I didn't expect. This seems to suggest to me that their victory door wouldn't lead to the new universe at all... it would lead to the Furthest Ring, to Lord English. Holy shit. But at the same time... we SAW Earth. We saw our heroes all being happy and living their lives... Again, this is left up to interpretation and I still love this choice, but I think there's a timeline split going on somewhere. What I definitely noticed was that Terezi was never shown on Earth. What with how her state was still weird, what with having just remembered and all, this is especially remarkable and again can lead to many theories, haha. For now, I think Terezi remem8ering lead to a timeline split. My theory is that the timeline in which she remem8ered caused the Earth we saw here with our happy heroes, and the timeline in which she didn't remem8er lead to our heroes touching the white door that might lead to Lord English. Holy flipping hell. Anyway, I'm so happy to see that WV, PM and Serenity all made it to Earth AND THAT THEY BUILT CAN TOWN. FUCK YES. Can Town looked so beautiful... even the trusty knife made its return, just like in WV's original design! Seeing the appartment cans made me feel very happy too for some reason. I'm also happy to see all those Carapaces and Consorts there. Which suggests that Jade probably brought along (at least) the B1 planets with them!!! That's another thing that makes me very happy. And what made me even MORE happy was seeing all these Prospitians and Dersites at peace with each other... I also really liked how there were Prospitians wearing purple Derse outfits and Dersites wearing yellow Prospit outfits! And then our heroes... I'm so happy that we saw all of them in their old outfits!!! It's so cool to see them having returned to those. It's still ambiguous whether or not John and Roxy become a couple or not, hehe. Calliope's kind of like their daughter there! *out of nowhere realisation* Holy shit Gcatavrosprite didn't even appear anymore. Welp. D: Anyway, I'm happy to see Jade still having her dog ears and just having fun with Dave and Karkat there. She probably lost her First Guardian powers, seeing as the Green Sun got destroyed, but I'm happy to see she continued to have her dog ears! Truly an Unbreakable Union with Bec. Dirk and Jake playing soccer, hehe. You can keep wondering whether they became a couple or not. JANE WITH DAAAAAAAAAD! I'm so happy to see he made it with them into the new universe, n'awwww... Also, it's definitely good that we saw them together here, what with how we didn't see them together on the lilypad platform. Rose and Kanaya! Continuing to be together. Anyway... damn this art was gorgeous. So, Guzusuru made this, the same person who made Lullaby For Gods. Looking back on it, they were DEFINITELY the right person for this task. Just look at all the fluid animation in this flash and compare it to Lullaby For Gods!!! I've never seen a Homestuck artist animate so fluid like they did. The music in this was just unbelievably AWESOME. I never expected Overture to show up again, but it was an amazing fit for this (especially with the extension it got). And that's... it. We're done. It's over folks. 5.5 years of discussing. Laughing, crying, celebrating, theorizing... Homestuck was such an epic story. But I shouldn't even be speaking in its past tense, because the story continues. In all of our minds, and in our fan-stories. Homestuck is finished... but I feel that it's always going to continue to be a part of me. Yeah I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be bothered by the ending and will probably dislike it, but hey. That was to be expected, no matter what kind of ending Andrew did. I still think Andrew pulled off an amazing ending, right there.
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Post by kmsumrall on Apr 13, 2016 18:33:45 GMT
Blap and pW reminded how much the green sun dying reminded me of Striders looking at the Suns, making me think that LE would have had green eyes.
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Post by plainWonder on Apr 13, 2016 18:41:50 GMT
Whoops, noticed my post didn't contain the first part of my reaction, hahah.
Edited in now!
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Post by Billiards Slick on Apr 13, 2016 18:46:00 GMT
So, this isn't really a response to anything in this thread really, but like...I wasn't necessarily satisfied with the way A6A6I5 was going, but my thought process was: "Well, that's ok, there's still A6A6A6 and Act 7, there's plenty of time for stuff to happen"
Then Collide happened. And Collide didn't really resolve anything, but my thought process was "Well, that's ok, the ending is all weird and ominous so probably something will happen, and we still have a bunch of pages to go before Act 7, there's plenty of time for stuff to happen"
Then those pages came, and plot-wise they resolved very little, but my thought process was "Well, that's ok, because there's still Act 7 and obviously that's gonna wrap everything up."
So then we get Act 7, and it basically resolves nothing. Am I supposed to go "Well, that's ok, because hopefully the epilogue (which will come at some nebulous later date) will wrap things up?"
It'd be inane. There's a saying about repeated instances of fooling a person and to who the shame should go in subsequent occasions of that happening. And at least on the subreddit, I'm seeing a lot of posts along the lines of "whew finally people can stop being salty, see we have an epilogue, that's gonna solve it all." Which is pretty much what people said about Act 7 after Collide, but whatever. I'm past the point of optimism. Which is probably for the best. With no real expectations, chances are I may be satisfied with whatever comes, whenever it comes. But I doubt it will ever leave me satisfied with Homestuck as a whole.
I wouldn't say I've lost faith in Hussie or anything, as disappointing as I find Act 7. I still think he's a great writer with a lot of great ideas. But I will say, it's a good thing I already paid for my copy of Hiveswap 4 years ago, because at the moment the idea of spending money on HS stuff just...well, it'll be a while before I can say I feel motivated to do so. In any case, Hiveswap will be much different, and potentially much better. At the least, there's no way it won't be a tighter story since it's being written and planned out as a whole from the beginning, and working on a budget it can't get overbloated or grow beyond their control. And free of the baggage of being a creation myth or a story about stories or whatever, chances seem small that it could ever go for a non-ending on the scale of Homestuck's. One can hope.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 13, 2016 18:46:43 GMT
I'm wondering if I prefer to think the Final Frog is just something the game sends to the Space player in the past as a quest item, to encourage agreeing to Echidna's Choice, or if I prefer to think the Final Frog is traditionally found inside the universe it helps create, and is sent back- either by players or Exiles- to fulfil the timeloop.
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