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Post by trek on Apr 13, 2016 15:29:51 GMT
I was kinda hoping Volume 10 would drop today; it seemed like the most likely time to release it. If it exists, that is.
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Post by loading on Apr 13, 2016 15:34:53 GMT
My thoughts:
Visually, that was unquestionably the most well-done flash. Story wise, that was the worst. I want to believe that reason act 7 was what it was is that he was pressed for time for the 7-year mark and so decided to cut the animation short to leave the rest to the epilogue. Unfortunately we know this isn't true because Act 7 was done way BEFORE Collide. There's actually plenty of precedence from Hussie himself in this respect, though: most of his works are unfinished, but the majority are still good as a whole.
(Also sorry I haven't been here I forgot this place existed until I got the email yesterday about the rules)
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 15:36:46 GMT
Some additional considerations about the whole retcon business, now that the we have confirmation the post-retcon timeline is the True Alpha; I've placed them in their own thread.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 13, 2016 15:42:45 GMT
Actually I think Hussie should have phrased his own newspost in a different way:
Fixed.
We have been having an epilogue non-stop since the start of intermission 5. The ending is still missing though.
Well one thing I can say... if this is the actual ending with no psyche, don't expect me to buy Hiveswap. Hussie has proven he couldn't write an ending to save himself, and I'm not getting invested in a multi-part game series to be fooled again.
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Post by dldracorex on Apr 13, 2016 16:12:56 GMT
Predictions for the Epilogue: 1. Will release after the thirteen year break 2. Is the Squiddle Intermission 3. Is followed by the Fedorafreak Intermission Serious: He will probably show us what happened to all the surviving major characters. We will not see the battle against Lord English, but we may see its aftermath.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 16:15:33 GMT
so well the lessons i take from homestuck are as follows: -when you're planning on doing a story, don't even fucking begin until you have entire plotline with all twists and reveals thought out -when you're planning on doing a story, make a spades slick tribute in it to give him a noir life he deserves-...? actually i would be okay with this sort of ambiguous ending if it was actually well-executed. But all the plotholes, like post-retcon!Union Jack and whatnot... Meh. Well, let's wait for that epilogue. Hope it'll clear things up at least a bit. Well one thing I can say... if this is the actual ending with no psyche, don't expect me to buy Hiveswap. Hussie has proven he couldn't write an ending to save himself, and I'm not getting invested in a multi-part game series to be fooled again. also this
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Post by scarodactyl on Apr 13, 2016 16:19:12 GMT
Perhaps... the ending presently eluding us is only the latest sleight of hand in the repertoire of an unseen riddler, one to engender a sense not of mirth, but of lack. His coarse schemes are those less of a prankster than a common pickpocket.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 13, 2016 16:28:17 GMT
I enjoyed it enough. Could've done more to answer plothooks and the like but if he wants people to theorise before clarifying, that's fun. But then I wasn't expecting everything to be answered, and I didn't think everything needed one.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 16:30:26 GMT
I enjoyed it enough. Could've done more to answer plothooks and the like but if he wants people to theorise before clarifying, that's fun. But then I wasn't expecting everything to be answered, and I didn't think everything needed one. Not everything, of course. But main plot points... well, that would have been nice.
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Post by mementovivere on Apr 13, 2016 16:30:43 GMT
so well the lessons i take from homestuck are as follows: -when you're planning on doing a story, don't even fucking begin until you have entire plotline with all twists and reveals thought out -when you're planning on doing a story, make a spades slick tribute in it to give him a noir life he deserves-...? actually i would be okay with this sort of ambiguous ending if it was actually well-executed. But all the plotholes, like post-retcon!Union Jack and whatnot... Meh. Well, let's wait for that epilogue. Hope it'll clear things up at least a bit. Well one thing I can say... if this is the actual ending with no psyche, don't expect me to buy Hiveswap. Hussie has proven he couldn't write an ending to save himself, and I'm not getting invested in a multi-part game series to be fooled again. also this Yeahhhhhh it seems that the "making it up as you go along" approach can be a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, the ending aside, Hussie is GENERALLY very good at stuff like retroactive foreshadowing, stringing together disconnected plot points, etc etc. Cascade was a masterpiece! And I think it's the fact that we've seen what he's capable of that has resulted in so many people being disappointed... those high hopes existed for a reason. I still consider Homestuck a pretty good story overall, just in a "it's a journey that matters" way. It's MOSTLY a good story, which has some glaring faults but also a lot of cool, entertaining, thought-provoking, and and innovative stuff in it. Unfortunately, it could have been a really good whole if the ending had been solid, buuuut it wasn't really. It wasn't awful, just kinda... what everyone expected from a Sburb session, and was therefore NOT what people expected to see happen. We were expecting a symphony of converging plot points and clever twists, this just kinda fell flat while also leaving too many plot points unanswered. At least with Hiveswap, my hope is that it's going to benefit a lot from a) multiple writers contributing, b) the story being written beforehand, c) the opportunity for lots of editing. I can totally understand not wanting to get your hopes up though--Namco High was kind of unsatisfying as well, so that doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I'm still going to get it though. At the very least, this gives me a lot of confidence in my own story plans for the future, because I already know where most of them are going. If you want to have a strong story overall, the ending is CRUCIAL to figure out early on. Many of my favorite stories start out super strong, but have let me down when it comes to wrapping things up in a satisfying way. Sometimes a decent ending can be pulled together later in the story, but that's rare.
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Post by comicalArchitect on Apr 13, 2016 16:31:19 GMT
My issue isn't the lack of resolution to plotlines. My issue is the lack of surprise. It's just too neat.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 13, 2016 16:33:16 GMT
I enjoyed it enough. Could've done more to answer plothooks and the like but if he wants people to theorise before clarifying, that's fun. But then I wasn't expecting everything to be answered, and I didn't think everything needed one. I was expecting an actual climax. He didn't even deliver that. I can forgive any loose ends, but what I don't forgive is a half-assed ending with no climax.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 13, 2016 16:34:10 GMT
My issue isn't the lack of resolution to plotlines. My issue is the lack of surprise. It's just too neat. Yeah there were hardly any big twists or revelations in Act 7, just expected stuff for the most part. And even then there's not all the expected stuff. Lord English hasn't met his demise for fuck's sake! How is this a proper ending?
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Post by soeroah on Apr 13, 2016 16:34:46 GMT
I enjoyed it enough. Could've done more to answer plothooks and the like but if he wants people to theorise before clarifying, that's fun. But then I wasn't expecting everything to be answered, and I didn't think everything needed one. Not everything, of course. But main plot points... well, that would have been nice. I'd have been satisfied with a tie in to the Masterpiece and seeing English defeated. Can't really think of anything else that I'd consider necessary that doesn't have an implied or logical solution.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 13, 2016 16:36:06 GMT
Also to all the people (here and in Reddit/elsewhere) saying this was always a story about kids in houses and LE/Green Sun was not part of it...
BULLSHIT
Go read Act 5 again. The whole act is about the game going off the rails and the kids being manipulated by Doc Scratch. LE and his underlings have always been central to the plot, eveything that has happened in it was central to his plans.
There is no "kids in houses" anymore, there hasn't been in a long time. This shit ended in Act 4, when jack obtained the ring and the plot started going beyond Sburb.
You don't set up a villain for so long like you did with Caliborn and LE just to take him down off-panel like this. Heck, even the Act 7 flash spends time setting up LE. To take him down anti-climatically in the next scene? No.
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Post by quixoticTokki on Apr 13, 2016 16:39:01 GMT
Saw this on tumblr - a short post, but I think captures what went wrong. Especially considering Hussie says that he's had this ending planned for years now. Also, this. also the fact that karkat and terezi has literally had not one conversation since the retcon has really pissed me off. like, all i was just asking for was some sort of acknowledgement to show they're still friends. but instead they've avoided each other until the final flash. i personally don't see why their friendship which has been going on since act 4 should get thrown out the window, same with johnvris for that matter, but i seem to be in the minority. at least something seems to be happening with davejade i think??? also wtf happened to terezi and vriska at the end. i find it very concerning how they aren't shown in the new world. I may be shipping trash, but ultimately I just wanted to see all the characters arcs come to completion and all the relationships (at least the "important" or emphasized ones) to be resolved platonically but whatever, I'm going to try and stop complaining until we see what the epilogue is, and in the mean time maybe see what's been going on with this.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 13, 2016 16:40:14 GMT
I've watched HIMYM and I can confirm that ending is one million times better than Homestuck's.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 16:41:49 GMT
We were expecting a symphony of converging plot points and clever twists, this just kinda fell flat while also leaving too many plot points unanswered. And that's really all there is to say on the matter
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 13, 2016 16:42:16 GMT
I may be shipping trash, but ultimately I just wanted to see all the characters arcs come to completion and all the relationships (at least the "important" or emphasized ones) to be resolved platonically but whatever, I'm going to try and stop complaining until we see what the epilogue is, and in the mean time maybe see what's been going on with this.That fan adventure? I've been following it pretty closely and I've really enjoyed it, an alt ending that doesn't have all the bullshit the retcon gives us. I've watched HIMYM and I can confirm that ending is one million times better than Homestuck's. Yeah well, I wouldn't consider what we got the ultimate ending given the upcoming epilogue Hussie talked about.
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Post by trek on Apr 13, 2016 16:44:01 GMT
Saw this on tumblr - a short post, but I think captures what went wrong. Especially considering Hussie says that he's had this ending planned for years now. Also, this. also the fact that karkat and terezi has literally had not one conversation since the retcon has really pissed me off. like, all i was just asking for was some sort of acknowledgement to show they're still friends. but instead they've avoided each other until the final flash. i personally don't see why their friendship which has been going on since act 4 should get thrown out the window, same with johnvris for that matter, but i seem to be in the minority. at least something seems to be happening with davejade i think??? also wtf happened to terezi and vriska at the end. i find it very concerning how they aren't shown in the new world. I may be shipping trash, but ultimately I just wanted to see all the characters arcs come to completion and all the relationships (at least the "important" or emphasized ones) to be resolved platonically but whatever, I'm going to try and stop complaining until we see what the epilogue is, and in the mean time maybe see what's been going on with this.This makes sense to me, I even observed the same thing (I wrote this somewhere else): Okay I got a lot of things to say, but it was incredibly obvious this ending was written a long time ago: Nothing from Act 6 was really relevant beyond the introduction of the Cherubs. Yes, Act 6 was relevant for the boss battle, but the final ending could have been shown pretty much right after Act 5. And that's how I can imagine Hussie planned only planned Homestuck to last 3 years: Cut away all of Act 6, shoehorn the Cherubs into the B1 session, and there you go. The B2 kids were extraneous, and nothing they did really mattered beyond the Collide battle, which wasn't really that important to Act 7 and the ending anyway. We have no closure on: Vriska, Aradia, Sollux, the sprites (not to mention sprites^2), the ghosts, the troll race being reborn, Karkat as a critical leader, MS Paint, Jack Noir, the Lord English battle, what the deal was with the Homestuck juju, which versions of the kids actually got stuck in the juju and fought Lord English (if that happened at all), who sendificated the Genesis tadpole to Jade, which then died and she cloned using the monitor, or anything, really, beyond the obvious.
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Post by quixoticTokki on Apr 13, 2016 16:45:20 GMT
I've watched HIMYM and I can confirm that ending is one million times better than Homestuck's. I've never seen it myself, but the point was that if Hussie really did write this long ago, he should have adjusted it to where the story was at now, and not just throw the pre-planned ending at us that doesn't even make sense anymore. It's lazy writing and shows a poor grasp of the story as a whole.
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Post by soeroah on Apr 13, 2016 16:46:52 GMT
I enjoyed it enough. Could've done more to answer plothooks and the like but if he wants people to theorise before clarifying, that's fun. But then I wasn't expecting everything to be answered, and I didn't think everything needed one. I was expecting an actual climax. He didn't even deliver that. I can forgive any loose ends, but what I don't forgive is a half-assed ending with no climax. Eh, I could see Collide as the climax. Sure, English wasn't defeated, and it would've been satisfying, but either he was defeated off-screen (the disappointing interpretation) or he wasn't. If he wasn't, it suggests Homestuck, as a creation story, was also concerned with the opposite of creation, the creation of a force of entropy. Universes don't last forever, perhaps Lord English is the mechanism behind that in Homestuck. In creating their universe, the heroes also created entropy as a balance, a known quantity, a force of existence. Infinity's a big place, and billions of years is a long time; I never really understood why some people thought it'd be unsatisfying if Caliborn wound up being born in the new universe. Our planet IRL will cease to exist in four or five billion years, that doesn't make life meaningless. I would've preferred to see how English was defeated, certainly, but I can appreciate the implications if he weren't. I can see why people who got more invested are annoyed, though. It'd be hypocritical of me to act like you're blowing it out of proportion after some of the stories I've seen "resolved".
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Post by quixoticTokki on Apr 13, 2016 16:49:00 GMT
We have no closure on: Vriska, Aradia, Sollux, the sprites (not to mention sprites^2), the ghosts, the troll race being reborn, Karkat as a critical leader, MS Paint, Jack Noir, the Lord English battle, what the deal was with the Homestuck juju, which versions of the kids actually got stuck in the juju and fought Lord English (if that happened at all), who sendificated the Genesis tadpole to Jade, which then died and she cloned using the monitor, or anything, really, beyond the obvious. Exactly. If he wants to give us an open ending, fine. I've loved plenty of things with open endings before (Lost, Danganronpa, I could go on) but to not give closure on the characters - the characters I've watched develop for so long and come to love, I'm not okay with.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 13, 2016 16:52:15 GMT
Imma laugh if what the people are saying about the ending now just gets subverted by new content. Not that I begrudge anybody what they're saying right now, it'd just be funny.
I'm just scared Hussie's edit meant we're not getting any thing more for months. If this whole thing was a troll, than that would just be cruel. I mean, if what he wanted to do was get us all hyped up and then dash our hopes with a purposefully anti-climatic ending only to not say 'gotcha' and give us the real deal for multiple months...ugh. My heart can't take this shit.
Wonder if the old forum's ever going back up. How long has it been now? It's been at least a week, right?
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Post by sparkeletran on Apr 13, 2016 16:53:25 GMT
Exactly. If he wants to give us an open ending, fine. I've loved plenty of things with open endings before (Lost, Danganronpa, I could go on) but to not give closure on the characters - the characters I've watched develop for so long and come to love, I'm not okay with. I WOULD agree with you... if not for the whole Epilogue thing. That seems like the perfect place to actually resolve character stuff, have dialogue and explain what happened better. We won't be getting it immediately, but I'm personally fine with waiting. And... I won't say it WILL for sure, because duh - I have no way of knowing. But I would really, really laugh if this turned out to be just Problem Sleuth's ending again and most people came around to it after the epilogue was posted, since I hear there was similar grief going around at the time. Maybe the epilogue will still be just as disappointing to most, but I just feel like it's unfair to preemptively say Homestuck's ending sucks so badly when lots of the complaints going around seem like they could very much be resolved there.
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