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Post by scarodactyl on Apr 13, 2016 23:41:49 GMT
This is a thread I've been waiting to put up. Theoretically this could contain spoilers if you haven't seen the final animation yet, though it's unlikely. The question is, what elements of the story seemed like they would end up being important, but ended up getting little focus or being dropped.
Here are a few of mine to get started: DD in general--he seemed like a more dangerous, calculating version of SS, who might try to take charge. The horrorterrors kind of disappear from the narrative after a certain point. Grampa Harley's forays into the session seemed like they would have a bigger impact than they did.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 13, 2016 23:42:51 GMT
The whole idea of restoring human and troll races. What the everloving fuck happened to that thing?
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Post by imglasses on Apr 13, 2016 23:46:43 GMT
I thought John being "unstuck in canon" would be an important factor in the defeat of LE, who relies on inevitability bending to his will. But he just used his retcon powers to undo Aranea's out-of-nowhere fuckup and then basically did nothing else with them. Except for appearing at the masterpiece, which really only helped LE.
I could actually list at least 100 things right now but I'll just post that one.
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 13, 2016 23:47:15 GMT
Well, remember that Roxy was shown to be capable of making the Matriorb successfully. I assume she'll just whip up a new one in New Cantown and then the troll race can get restarted. As for the humans...well...Homestuck hasn't seemed to care much for hard science and biology, so either we could handwave it and say the humans repopulated the old fashioned way or used ectobiology somehow.
But with the carapacians there as well, I think it's worth mentioning that this new Earth will be populated by three sentient species instead of one. That alone is kind of intriguing IMO.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 23:54:29 GMT
Well, remember that Roxy was shown to be capable of making the Matriorb successfully. I assume she'll just whip up a new one in New Cantown and then the troll race can get restarted. As for the humans...well...Homestuck hasn't seemed to care much for hard science and biology, so either we could handwave it and say the humans repopulated the old fashioned way or used ectobiology somehow. But with the carapacians there as well, I think it's worth mentioning that this new Earth will be populated by three sentient species instead of one. That alone is kind of intriguing IMO. Not that they would have to stick to Earth; they have a whole f**ing UNIVERSE at their disposal. But for some reasons, AH only decided to show us a carapacian town on Earth; the rest is left to imagination. Which for this plot point could actually be a good solution. For other ones... not.
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 13, 2016 23:58:49 GMT
That reminds me, do we have confirmation that they took the other planet's from B2 with them? We don't see PM and WV on the victory platform but we do see them later, and since Jade could still manipulate the size of the planets even if the Green Sun was destroyed, they could bring those planets with them. If that's the case, it can also mean that Ms. Paint, Jack, The Felt, Casey's army, and the sprites and other characters hanging around on the other worlds would be alive too.
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Post by Shadow of the Lotus on Apr 14, 2016 0:12:21 GMT
The friendship of the original 4 kids.
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Post by quixoticTokki on Apr 14, 2016 1:11:00 GMT
More than anything else I fully expected to see the Masterpiece fleshed out, as well as the dealings with LE and Caliborn. There was a theory flying around on here before the update that someone would say Caliborn's name around Calliope, causing her to become Calibon and the Ring of Life to convert the Ring of Void, and then through some other minor shenangians the Masterpiece would come about in the first place. I was actually SO CONVINCED this would happen. (Hell there's even a perfect song for it too.) Then of course we would see the flip side, Vriska or whoever using the juju on LE presumably freeing the beta kids, and then the climax yadda yadda. But no. Also, Terezi: Remem8er. This was one of my favorite flashes of the whole comic, and yet it was seeming meaningless? Did Terezi ever even have any dialogue after this? -siiiiiign-
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 14, 2016 5:02:36 GMT
I was looking forward Karkat and Kanaya's role in the new universe, but we didn't see this happening?
I thought Reme8er was going to be important, but nothing came from it?
The relationships between the 12 trolls was never brought up again, which I found really disappointing. We never saw what became of the trolls who aren't the main four, and even then only Kanaya and Karkat were shown in the 'future'.
Also I really hope the theory of Terezi not being in the new universe due to not being able to live without Vriska isn't true. I don't like how dependent on Vriska Terezi has been and I think it's rather unhealthy? I think she should learn to mingle with the other people, especially with Dave and Karkat since she did have a close relationship with those two. And I've always wanted Terezi to have a conversation with Jade, which never happened.
I also didn't like how there was never a real friendship going on between Rose and Jade. Heck, I don't like how Jade has really only had close interactions with Dave, Karkat and John and never got to truly interact with the Alpha kids.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 14, 2016 5:12:45 GMT
Also, Terezi: Remem8er. This was one of my favorite flashes of the whole comic, and yet it was seeming meaningless? Did Terezi ever even have any dialogue after this? -siiiiiign- Yes, but inexplicably (or perhaps suspiciously?) she doesn't mention having remembered anything at all, nor does she mention Vriska. Her last line in the comic is simply: It almost makes me feel like we've been looking at the timeline where she DIDN'T Remem8er, but that's way too hopeful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 5:38:12 GMT
*SBURB's JRPG accouterments. It saddens me that things got totally derailed after Act...3-4 into Trolls-And-Weird-Shit-Land, whenever I think about it. Sometimes I wonder if Homestuck would've been a totally different phenomenon if the game went essentially As Planned. and also stemming from that *The Ultimate Riddle I'm starting to feel like the ultimate riddle is worse than the Question to Life, The Universe and Everything. Cause at least you have the ANSWER with life, the universe and everything. This...may or may not be tied with the "Homestuck is a comic that is also a puzzle" concept, which means the lack of a riddle is part of it. God my head hurts.
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Post by loading on Apr 14, 2016 6:38:06 GMT
In the can town shot, there's some consorts scattered here and there. So make that 3 sapient and 4 semi-sapient (because salamanders are not all that bright). WHICH ADDS UP TO ANOTHER 7.
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Post by obsidalicious on Apr 14, 2016 9:33:40 GMT
Kurloz(s) and Damara(s) and their insidious machinations. Especially when Kurloz nicked off with Vriska's coat. Many people assumed at the time that it would somehow lead to the creation of the Cairo Overcoat, but nothing came of it.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 14, 2016 10:48:38 GMT
Also I really hope the theory of Terezi not being in the new universe due to not being able to live without Vriska isn't true. I don't like how dependent on Vriska Terezi has been and I think it's rather unhealthy? I think she should learn to mingle with the other people, especially with Dave and Karkat since she did have a close relationship with those two. And I've always wanted Terezi to have a conversation with Jade, which never happened. YES YES YES YES YES. Here's another thing that's never been resolved: Terezi's whole new "dependence on Vriska" thing.
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Post by The One Guy on Apr 14, 2016 15:45:19 GMT
*The Ultimate Riddle I'm starting to feel like the ultimate riddle is worse than the Question to Life, The Universe and Everything. Cause at least you have the ANSWER with life, the universe and everything. This...may or may not be tied with the "Homestuck is a comic that is also a puzzle" concept, which means the lack of a riddle is part of it. God my head hurts. To be honest, I don't know why anyone ever thought the ultimate riddle would have any sort of clear, concise answer; that's simply not it's nature. The ultimate riddle is more of a broad overarching concept regarding the nature of paradox space. It's about the concept of free will verses predestination; it's about the self and the sense all your alternate selves being part of what makes you who you are. To expect an "answer" to the ultimate riddle is downright absurd.
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Post by Billiards Slick on Apr 14, 2016 19:32:25 GMT
Really thought the special frog that was sendificated to young Jade would actually become a plot point at some point. Considering it's technically the only reason they were able to successfully breed the Genesis Frog and thus the only thing allowing them to actually win the game, the lack of elaboration is...not great.
I'd say it's probably the biggest plot hole we've got. And it's not something we can really "draw our own conclusions" or really theorize about, because its real origins were never hinted at that I remember. We just have no context for it.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 14, 2016 20:08:50 GMT
*The Ultimate Riddle I'm starting to feel like the ultimate riddle is worse than the Question to Life, The Universe and Everything. Cause at least you have the ANSWER with life, the universe and everything. This...may or may not be tied with the "Homestuck is a comic that is also a puzzle" concept, which means the lack of a riddle is part of it. God my head hurts. To be honest, I don't know why anyone ever thought the ultimate riddle would have any sort of clear, concise answer; that's simply not it's nature. The ultimate riddle is more of a broad overarching concept regarding the nature of paradox space. It's about the concept of free will verses predestination; it's about the self and the sense all your alternate selves being part of what makes you who you are. To expect an "answer" to the ultimate riddle is downright absurd. Yes exactly!!! Karkat more or less answered the question of the Ultimate Riddle way back in Act 4 but people still think it's a hanging plot thread. As for the final frog sendificated to Jade, I don't even remember what was up with that, or that it was a crucial key to getting the frog bred. I suspect Hussie himself may have forgotten about that.
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Post by wheals on Apr 14, 2016 20:16:53 GMT
She got the final frog when she agreed to Echidna's terms, right? So probably Echidna sendificated it herself (or got someone to do it for her, since she has no arms). It's a good example of a thing we expected might have a complicated answer but probably is just straightforward.
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Post by Billiards Slick on Apr 14, 2016 21:53:26 GMT
Echidna only helped Jade remember, and as she described it the deal only went that far. It was not stated or implied that Echidna sent it, and she doing it would raise quite some questions. It would have likely been included in the deal, and it'd be a really roundabout thing to do in any case. It would be a bit ooc and proactive for a Denizen to just do that, I feel.
And even if she sent it, it still doesn't explain what it is or where it came from. Nor do we know why Bec killed it on sight, besides the potentially simple explanation of him being very overprotective. There's just a lot of unanswered questions regarding it.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 14, 2016 22:01:00 GMT
As for the final frog sendificated to Jade, I don't even remember what was up with that, or that it was a crucial key to getting the frog bred. I suspect Hussie himself may have forgotten about that. This seems unlikely, as we can assume that he had something in mind WHEN it happened, I doubt that he would introduce something like that without at least some idea of how it would eventually be resolved. And even if she sent it, it still doesn't explain what it is or where it came from. Nor do we know why Bec killed it on sight, besides the potentially simple explanation of him being very overprotective. There's just a lot of unanswered questions regarding it. I always thought that it was just supposed to be Lord English's souls in there somehow, and that's why Bec killed it. Maybe that's what the Juju did to him? But then the Genesis Frog would presumably be cursed, and it seems fine.
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Post by melonlord on Apr 15, 2016 3:22:20 GMT
Vriska. After she died and had that whole escapade with the dreambubbles, followed by some good character development, a relationship with Meenah, and a bullying session from retjohn!Vriska, it really felt like Hussie was building up to something with her. She'd get some kind of big character revelation where she realizes she can be a non-jerk AND stay true to her proactive self, be a hero without hogging the spotlight, and go help defeat Lord English and make up with Meenah or something.
But then she just showed up for Terezi: Remem8er and was never mentioned again, while the considerably less developed retjohn!Vriska fought Lord English. I'm not even sure if she double-died there with Terezi, or joined the ghost army, or what.
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Post by 2create on Apr 15, 2016 9:01:38 GMT
The ghost army. That whole thing was a pretty big deal and started all the way back just after Cascade, with Meenah directing all her efforts at raising enough people to beat the hell out of LE, but in the end none of it mattered at all. I mean, if Hussie hadn't been busy bothering Vriska, then Aradia, Tavros, Meenah and Davepeta could probably have kept LE at bay long enough to give Vriska the chance to deploy the juju, so why did that have to happen?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 13:43:18 GMT
*The Ultimate Riddle I'm starting to feel like the ultimate riddle is worse than the Question to Life, The Universe and Everything. Cause at least you have the ANSWER with life, the universe and everything. This...may or may not be tied with the "Homestuck is a comic that is also a puzzle" concept, which means the lack of a riddle is part of it. God my head hurts. To be honest, I don't know why anyone ever thought the ultimate riddle would have any sort of clear, concise answer; that's simply not it's nature. The ultimate riddle is more of a broad overarching concept regarding the nature of paradox space. It's about the concept of free will verses predestination; it's about the self and the sense all your alternate selves being part of what makes you who you are. To expect an "answer" to the ultimate riddle is downright absurd. I wasn't even expecting an answer. I was just expecting it to be a bit more..pronounced, rather than something that was mentioned a few times and then quickly forgotten about because of the Giant Green Thing With Teeth destroying everything. I am of the opinion that figuring out the nature of paradox space being the Riddle makes sense, but it felt like even if the readers still hung onto it, none of the characters really cared about it. And what should they? Much like a lot of the game's mechanics and quests and whatnot, it kind of fell out of the way in terms of relevancy.
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Post by scarodactyl on Apr 15, 2016 13:49:09 GMT
On a less related note, I was sure that Candles and Clockwork (or one of its variations) would make it into the comic. It is such a good song that it could really work as a central theme for another project.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 15:20:48 GMT
I always thought that it was just supposed to be Lord English's souls in there somehow, and that's why Bec killed it. Maybe that's what the Juju did to him? But then the Genesis Frog would presumably be cursed, and it seems fine. Maybe the point of the curse will be that because LE's soul(s) was/were used in the creation of the Universe C, it'll be fated to be his origin? A nice ouroboros kinda thing, you know.
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