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Post by Savior of the Meming Dead on Nov 14, 2016 21:00:17 GMT
First, a big question: Do we know all the rules that are likely to apply to items currently in play, or are there more universal or item specific rules we don't know about? If the later, could you tell us the remaining rules, assuming there aren't so many we could never know them all (Which, no offense, would make this significantly less interesting in my opinion)?
What happens to an item when someone dies? Does creating an intelligent being violate the agency rule?
I also have some questions about the exact limitations of Steinbeck.You mentioned that Steinbeck's creations are not literally 2D, but act like the original object with one dimension removed, and also that their abilities are based off of her intentions. This has been demonstrated with Sarah being able to give objects abilities like flight. To better understand it, what would be the outcome if the following experiments were to be attempted? 1. Sarah creates a gun, and pulls the trigger. Is a bullet emitted in the first place? If it is, does it lose it's corporeality when it leaves the gun, or is it considered part of the same object? Would it make a sound, and would those not able to interact with it be able to hear it? If it did make a sound and they did hear it, could it have made a large enough sound to, say, deafen them? 2. Sarah creates poison, from the atomic level up and in polygonal 3D if the 2D nature would make it undrinkable. If she were to drink this poison, would it kill her?
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Post by continuityofficer on Nov 15, 2016 10:14:38 GMT
Kaira: so... what are we going to do when we get to her anyway...Kaira: Aleta I mean...Sarah: Its obvious isn't it?Sarah: We fight her, whether with brains or brawn, this is the climax that we've been given.Eliot: Should we really be talking like this... Eliot: She's right there... Eliot: and besides... Eliot: I dont want to fight her...Eliot: I don't think she's a bad person...Sarah: Your just attracted to herEliot: No...Eliot: It's not that...Eliot: Its just...Eliot: Weren't you the one who said we should work together to beat the challenges without killing anyone...Eliot: that killing people was "Bullshit"...Sarah: I'm not saying we kill herSarah: We just have to defeat her!Eliot: What does that even mean...Kaira: I just want to find out whats going on...Kaira: So much just doesnt make sense...Sarah: I don't think it matters...Sarah: Don't you want to just get out?Sarah: Get back to St.Gay's and live life again...Sarah: Happily...Kaira: You went to Saint Gays too?Sarah: ... Sarah: yeah... you never noticed?Kaira: Nope... but yeah, I dont think I couldKaira: As much as I want to get back and see my family and freinds...Kaira: What if there are others like us here?Kaira: Whats going on here?Kaira: Why us?Kaira: Why is everything so specific?Kaira: It just doesn't make sense...Kaira: And I have to know...Kaira: And I feel like Aleta is our best chance...Sarah: I don't think you should trust her anyway...But there she is... Destiny itself. All events leading to this point. Its a rather blatant use of symbolism ultimately.
Q&A #1 Ok, there was a lot of text, and apparently, this place wouldn't let me put it all in a spoiler tag, so I decided to put it in the tumblr instead, so that we didn't have a wall of text as big as the update. Link is here
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Post by Arashi500 on Nov 15, 2016 17:41:05 GMT
>Attempt diplomacy.
or, failing that,
>Prepare to engage.
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Post by continuityofficer on Nov 17, 2016 4:57:38 GMT
Destiny: I'm gonna get right to the point Destiny: Please Kill Yourself
Destiny: Pink Girl, I know it was you Destiny: I saw the attack Destiny: I saw the pink attack
Destiny: You killed millions of semi-corporeal beings Destiny: Don't act like you are free of guilt Destiny: Kill yourself
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Post by continuityofficer on Nov 22, 2016 12:01:55 GMT
[ s ] Who Are You?
Well, that was fun. If you look back, you'll find a lot of foreshadowing for this, I've been planning this since the beginning. Next will be another Hugo like section with moderate reader control, so you guys will be back in the game soon.
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Post by Savior of the Meming Dead on Nov 22, 2016 20:56:23 GMT
I should totally have seen this coming when you mentioned part of identity was "2D"... But forcing an identity into something specific is impossible... poor Sarah, even after resorting to this, it's not really Grace. > Hugo: Did you see these events? Looks like Grace didn't survive after all... Unfortunately, I've got no ideas yet as to what to do about those two... Sarah's item is easily the strongest we've seen except a fully utilized Grace s, and we're dealing with that too.
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Post by continuityofficer on Nov 23, 2016 9:18:58 GMT
Your name is Sarah Leechman. Why you mention this fact is obviously strange, but if you where in a flashback detailing your slow reach into despair, damn, this would be the perfect time to do it! Your life hasn't been great nessisarily, your mother's dead, your fathers never around, and you half suspect its because you embarrass him. This is all without mentioning how you spent the good first 16 years of your life convinced that being having a penis was the right choice for you. That said, things have been going well. Two years ago today, you did two things; started presenting as female full time, and met your best friend Grace Manuel. It's all on the up-and-up, despite what any given omen may tell you. What will you do?
Note: sorry if i wasn't clear enough, but when I said 'Hugo-like' i meant similar to the Hugo section in how you had some control, but not full control as you might usually do. That said, we'll probably be going back to Hugo sometime soon after this anyway.
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Post by Arashi500 on Nov 23, 2016 17:29:41 GMT
>Sarah: You've got mail. Check it.
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Post by continuityofficer on Nov 25, 2016 14:22:39 GMT
>Sarah: You've got mail. Check it. captiveSongstress: Hay bestie :pcaptiveSongstress: Happy anniversary!tryhardTropester: We're not dating you know, its ok not to celebrate our "anniversary"captiveSongstress: we're not dating?! :o captiveSongstress: Damn~ tryhardTropester: loltryhardTropester: Yeah, two best friends ending up falling in love is an annoying trope anywaytryhardTropester: not to mention, for us, it'll only lose us the certain veiwers ;) captiveSongstress: ;) tryhardTropester: ;) captiveSongstress: ;) tryhardTropester: ;) captiveSongstress: ;) tryhardTropester: ;) captiveSongstress: Seriously though,captiveSongstress: After school, i'm taking you out somewherecaptiveSongstress: its not just the anniversary of us becoming friends, its also *basically* your birthdaycaptiveSongstress: Its like a "rebirth" day or somethingcaptiveSongstress: You could do with some more clothes couldn't you?tryhardTropester: nah, Steinbeck can create clothes for me if I give it timecaptiveSongstress: but it all ends up pink though...tryhardTropester: Pink is good though! >0<captiveSongstres: not when its literally the only colour you wear... tryhardTropester: Hay! tryhardTropester: not all of us are going to design school here~ tryhardTropester: give me some slack! ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ tryhardTropester: Besides, how else am I supposed to obsessively reaffirm my gender to myself!~~ captiveSongstress: sometimes I can't tell if your being sarcastic y'know :/ tryhardTropester: :P captiveSongstress: legit though,captiveSongstress: Steinbeck is crazy powerful!tryhardTropester: ...captiveSongstress: oh yeah...captiveSongstress: sorry... I know its a touche subject...tryhardTropester: hay tryhardTropester: its okay!tryhardTropester: Aslong as your there with me!tryhardTropester: I'm okay with any future :) captiveSongstress: :) captiveSongstress: We should get ready for school though! captiveSongstress: I'll see you there, and we can discuss the celebration further!tryhardTropester: :) yep, see you there!
is there anything you want to do before going to school?
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Post by continuityofficer on Nov 27, 2016 4:10:10 GMT
Sarah: Hay! Grace! Sarah: What class do we have next!? Grace: It's History.Grace: You really should memorise your timetable thoughGrace: What if i'm sick? You can't just follow me all the time.Sarah: Then i'll just ask you before I come to school :P Grace: heh' Fair EnoughSarah: lol Grace: Did you finish your homework for History by the way?Grace: It's due today.Sarah: :/Grace: ... Grace: Your lucky Ms. Thompson usually gives out extensions...
I think for now, what im going to do, is keep posting every other day or so with the next "scene", unless someone buts in with something they want Sarah or Grace to do.
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Post by continuityofficer on Nov 29, 2016 10:44:45 GMT
Teacher: Today we will be talking about the person with the greatest Item of all recorded time Teacher: Miss. Audry Greystone Teacher: She could change the world around her at will Teacher: Space and time where simply toys to her Teacher: Those around her where morphed to her whim! Teacher: Tell me class. Teacher: What would you do if you had a power like that?
Teacher: Yes, Sarah? Sarah: ...Sarah: Actually... Miss...Sarah: May I be excused...Teacher: oh... Teacher: Yes... Teacher: ofcourse... Teacher: Stand in the hallway Teacher: Someone will get you once we're done Grace: oh god... sarah...Grace: miss... I'm going too...
Grace: Sarah... Sarah: ...
Grace: I know its hard Grace: I may not be as bad, but i'm in the same boat as you Sarah: ...Grace: I'm here.Grace: I'm hear with you!Grace: Hold my hand Sarah...Grace: I can help you get through this...Sarah: OK... I'll try...
Grace: After school, we'll go somewhereGrace: And you can forget about everything...Grace: I promise...Sarah: ...Sarah: Thanks... (':Grace: It'll be okay... I promise
Teacher: Now class, Teacher: can anyone tell me why someone with such a power hadn't simply morphed the whole world in their image.
Hugo: I believe I can miss! Teacher: Thank you Mr.Raphael Hugo: Items are more powerful then one another for only one reason Hugo: There are less timelines that the person could possibly go down, Hugo: and thus, their is a much stronger connection to the Item's Soul
Hugo: Thus, a person who started their lives with such a powerful Item must always start out with substantially fewer potential timelines then any other given person.
Hugo: And there is only one thing we know of that can lead to that...
Hugo: death...
Hugo: If most or all of someones potential timelines have them die early Hugo: there are less timelines creating less timelines for less time
Hugo: Thus we understand the rule: "Those with more powerful Items die earlier then those with less powerful Items"
Hugo: Miss. Audry Greystone barely grew a day older then three before she was killed, and it seems that its likely that all her timelines where nearly as, if not substantially shorter.
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Post by Con Air on Nov 29, 2016 14:24:20 GMT
Hugo: Crawl in the vents
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Post by Savior of the Meming Dead on Nov 29, 2016 21:49:06 GMT
Oh... That explains it. No wonder Grace died so soon. And Sarah can't be far behind. Also, in theory, anyone who found a way to live forever even in one timeline (Probably by exploiting item powers) should have a ridiculously weak item, possibly even literally powerless. > Hugo: Future you can hear us directly, but I assume you can't since you haven't created us yet at the point of this flashback. Is that correct?
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Post by continuityofficer on Dec 1, 2016 11:47:26 GMT
Grace: So that new game you where looking forward too came out today... Grace: I say we go get it, then to to your place and play through it all in one sitting! Grace: Not before finding you some new clothes of course... you really need some!Sarah: ...Grace: ... Look... Sarah... I know its hard...Grace: I'm going through it too...Grace: But you need to be optimistic...Grace: and make the best use of the time you have...
Sarah: You don't know though...Sarah: You don't know how hard it is...Sarah: You still have 2 months left on your due date...Grace: ...Sarah: The doctors told me my due date was 12 years old...Sarah: It's been nearly six years since then...Sarah: And I hate it...Sarah: I hate it all...Sarah: I hate my body...Sarah: I hate my parents...Sarah: I hate how nothing ever seems to work out...Sarah: I hate that I am on the cusp of death...Grace: ... bu-Sarah: I haven't been allowed much happiness in my life...Sarah: I was born in this stupid fucking body, and my life has been filled with depression and self deprecation...Sarah: The only way I'm able to deal with any of it is ignoring it and trying to pretend it doesn't hurt by making jokes about it...Grace: ...Sarah...Sarah: But... I didn't know I was trans when I was 12...Sarah: The big thing stopping me from being happy wasn't even something I'd considered outside of midnight fetishisation...Sarah: To think that I could have died then...Sarah: Before I was able to start being happy...Sarah: Before I became happy enough with myself to start making friends...Sarah: Before I met you...Sarah: I just can't help but think...Sarah: What will I be missing...Grace: Sarah...Sarah: I just want to be happy Grace...Sarah: I've not been allowed be happy my entire life...Sarah: But things are getting better...Sarah: And I'll never get to see it...Grace: ...
Grace: Sarah Please...Grace: You can't think like that...Sarah: Then what do I do...?Grace: I...Grace: Don't know...Grace: Just... please...Grace: Don't tarnish however many moments you have with worrying...Grace: If you could die at any moment, i'm going to have to be the one to bury you...Grace: And... I just want to know that I made your life as best as I could while your here...Sarah: . Sarah: . Sarah: . Sarah: Okay... Sarah: I'll try... Sarah: :")
I'll do the Hugo stuff later, since otherwise, I think it kind of ruins the pacing.
It's notable that it is entirely possible to have an Item that is detrimental to you. For example, Kaira's Item had various just constant detrimental effects that made her life more difficult with it randomly using her power, and an Item could theoretically be only those kind of negative effects. It would be a very interesting, if very different story set in the same universe to have a character who couldn't die due to having such a terrible item that all universe's see him living until X long.
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Post by Forum_Username on Dec 1, 2016 12:39:09 GMT
There's something weirdly appropriate about the contrast of this page and page 1 that says something, although i'm not exactly sure what.
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Post by continuityofficer on Dec 4, 2016 5:11:20 GMT
Sarah: Grace...Grace: Yes Sarah?Sarah: Do you ever wonder if people are only nice to us because they know we'll die soon..?Grace: Sometimes... Yeah... I know my mum's let me get away with more then I should have at least...Sarah: Your not like that...Sarah: Are you Grace...?Grace: No Sarah.Grace: I love you, your my best friend.Grace: I promise you, if you did something stupid, i'll call you out on it.Sarah: Well, i'm about to do something stupid...Grace: Sarah, what are you doing?...Game: *Click* Grace: Sarah, WHY DID YOU DO THAT!Grace: I thought we were trying to save her!Sarah :P heheGrace: You really shouldn't have killed her, she had the best perksSarah: How great would it be to be in a story like this though. Sarah: A group of friends, working together to defeat an evil Sarah: Your actions matter, and effect the progression of the story. Sarah: Each problem in life has a solution, and all it takes is some hard thinking. Sarah: Yeah, maybe someone dies along the way, but it was always your fault, and you can deal with it accordingly, instead of being hurt by the perceived randomness of the universe Sarah: And in the end is always a happy ending... Sarah: Wouldn't that be great...?
Grace: Here's the difference Sarah, Grace: We don't have to fight a dragon, or overthrow a corrupt government. Grace: Right now, with me and you together. Grace: We're already at our happy ending. Sarah: >‿<
Sarah: ...
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Post by continuityofficer on Dec 7, 2016 9:42:58 GMT
Sarah: no...Father: I'm sorry Sarah... I know it's hard... Sarah: No! I don't believe you! Sarah: That just doesn't make sense...Sarah: I've been alive for 6 years since my due date...Sarah: How can she...
Sarah: now...Sarah: How is that fair...Sarah: How can she...
Sarah: so early, and me still be fucking here...Sarah: I don't believe it... Sarah: it doesn't make senseFather: The crash was fatal instantly Sarah, it was a good way for her to go... there was little pain Father: You knew it was coming soon... Sarah: ... no... Sarah: no...Sarah: ...noSarah: I don't...Sarah: I can't believe you...Father: ... Father: Sarah... you can take a break from school today... Father: You need time to deal with things I think...
Why would he lie to you like this? Of course she's not bloody dead, that wouldn't make sense. You where the one trying to prepare her for when you died, you'd never prepared for her dying... so it can't happen... that wouldn't make any sense... You where always the one that was going to die... she always spent her time trying to make you happy... you never did the same because you where the one dying... so how could she die? Is this a cruel joke? Does your father hate you THAT much... Either way, this has at least given you the thought that you should probably try and do something nice for her... incase this might actually happen... sometime in the future. tryhardTropester: Hay, are you online? tryhardTropester: ? tryhardTropester: ?
tryhardTropester: OK, maybe your in the bath...
tryhardTropester: y'know, I want to do something nice for you... tryhardTropester: I just came to the realisation that you could die at any moment too now... tryhardTropester: So lets do something for you...
tryhardTropester: You know... tryhardTropester: my dad did this fucked up thing where he lied to me that you died in a car crash... tryhardTropester: What a jerk...
tryhardTropester: your not responding...tryhardTropester: at least I'll see you soon...
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Post by Arashi500 on Dec 7, 2016 22:37:15 GMT
Sarah: Remember the Good Times.
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Post by continuityofficer on Dec 10, 2016 9:02:29 GMT
Principal: Today we gather to celebrate Grace Manual, who tragically died in a car crash Principal: She was lucky in that her death was quick and painless
Principal: She was a good student, and a friend to many. Principal: Although she is gone from our futures, she lives on in our pasts Principal: And her soul will stay with us through all of our hardships Sarah: Remember the Good Times.
Principal: Her Item, Corbusier, has been given to her best friend, as she had stated in her will. Principal: In that same will, she also said "thankyou everyone." Principal: "I had a good life" Principal: Then she added a little smily face using a colon and a bracket Principal: I think this portrays very well, the casual, kind person she always was. Principal: She always put other's above herself at all costs Principal: She was smart Principal: She cared about the things others often wouldn't Principal: She was friends with everyone, although of course some more then others. Sarah: ...
Sarah: I want her back...
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Post by Arashi500 on Dec 10, 2016 12:28:59 GMT
>Sarah: Try to focus on what she would want you to do.
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Post by continuityofficer on Dec 12, 2016 13:19:57 GMT
Father: Sarah... she's dead... Sarah: no, she hasn't!Sarah: She's coming back!Sarah: I can promise it!Father: Y'know... Father: usually, your supposed to create a shrine for the item when someone dies... to pay homage... Sarah: She's not dead though!Sarah: I have to keep it safe for her for when she's ready.Father: Sarah... Father: You really do scare me sometimes... Father: But... Father: If this is how your coping, there isn't much I can do... Sarah: Sarah: I'm going to my room!
>Sarah: Try to focus on what she would want you to do. Your life sucks. You hate your stupid fucking body. Your best friend just died. and you are doomed to die an unhappy death at any moment. All she ever wanted was for you to be happy... In any other timeline, she would have succeeded... I am tortured by a world where I continue living... Why aren't I allowed to accept death... I can't bring myself to accept death... so... what else am I supposed to do... I just want happiness She just wanted me to be happy She was my happy ending... What else am I supposed to do? How else am I supposed to be happy in my final moments? I can't accept a life without hope that I can be happy...
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Post by Savior of the Meming Dead on Dec 12, 2016 13:28:46 GMT
Hmm, I doubt we can alter history to this extent, but let's try anyway. > Babies are pretty happy, right? Use Corbruiser to steal the powers of that baby. Since the item has the side effect of you becoming more like them, it should cheer you up. Plus the baby's ultimate reality warping abilities should come in handy for your project here. You could also try becoming more like Grace, but that might not work since it's her item you're using to do it in the first place.
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Post by continuityofficer on Dec 12, 2016 22:04:47 GMT
Hmm, I doubt we can alter history to this extent, but let's try anyway. > Babies are pretty happy, right? Use Corbruiser to steal the powers of that baby. Since the item has the side effect of you becoming more like them, it should cheer you up. Plus the baby's ultimate reality warping abilities should come in handy for your project here. You could also try becoming more like Grace, but that might not work since it's her item you're using to do it in the first place. Just a note that i now realize i never covered, but i thought was assumed due to how connected they are, and how we need a special item to acheive a similar effect, but you cant use other peoples items.
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Post by Savior of the Meming Dead on Dec 12, 2016 22:56:36 GMT
You know, I had assumed that to be the case until we learned that "Grace" wasn't really the original Grace, and that items persist (At least for some length of time, I suppose we don't know their long term fate yet) after death.
I wonder why "Grace" can use Grace's item though, if it's not really her. I guess just the general direction to be Grace is enough that it can use Grace's item, despite not being able to be formed specifically into Grace. Or perhaps it has to do with Sarah having intended for "Grace" to be able to use the item.
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Post by continuityofficer on Dec 13, 2016 5:37:15 GMT
You know, I had assumed that to be the case until we learned that "Grace" wasn't really the original Grace, and that items persist (At least for some length of time, I suppose we don't know their long term fate yet) after death. I wonder why "Grace" can use Grace's item though, if it's not really her. I guess just the general direction to be Grace is enough that it can use Grace's item, despite not being able to be formed specifically into Grace. Or perhaps it has to do with Sarah having intended for "Grace" to be able to use the item. If you want some proto-science, Items can use their powers due to their connection with the person's timeline and being. This creates that "Spark" connection that creates items. However, people are pretty simple and similar for the most part, and it's not difficult for an Item, still logically wanting to feed, to connect with someone who is close enough to a given person, on a physical and spiritual level. Note how Aleta and Destiny can both use eachother's Items. Identical twins would probably have a good ability to do so as well, especially if they had similar lives, although ofcourse if their timelines diverged substantially it would become increasingly less likely. Sarah is creating Quasi-Grace as close as she can to her physically, and giving her all the 2D personality she can, whitch is all the connection an Item needs, and frankly, all the connection it cares about.
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